RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
After reading archives for the past two hours, I still do not understand why this is happening. I completely removed BOUNCE from $default$.junkmail and global.cfg. I changed it to delete. Great! As is evidenced by the lines below, WEIGHT40 is set to LOG and WEIGHT50=IGNORE. But in my cfg files I have them both set to DELETE. Redundant, I realize but I am going bald right now trying to figure this out. I believe this file should have been deleted with a weight of 60. Am I wrong in this belief and if so, how do I make it so? 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb SBL:20 SPAMHEADERS:20 FLOWGO:20 . Total weight = 60. 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (bounce is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition? This warning: indicates that you are still using the BOUNCE action somewhere. If you are insistent upon letting them do this, here's what I wrote yesterday: --- What I would recommend is having them sign a contract that they will be liable for any issues resulting from the bounces. Specifically, about 99.9% of the E-mail that is bouncing (E-mail that fails the WEIGHT40 test) is spam. Since about 99% of spam sent with a fake return address, that's 100,000s of spams a year your customer is sending out. If I were you, I would only do it if they assume liability for it. In any case, if you feel that it is appropriate to do so, you can rename the BOUNCE action to BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST, and it will start working again. --- Remember that even if they pay their bills like clockwork, there are some spammers out there that pay their bills like clockwork too. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Title: Message After reading archives for the past two hours, I still do not understand why this is happening. I completely removed BOUNCE from $default$.junkmail and global.cfg. I changed it to delete. As is evidenced by the lines below, WEIGHT40 is set to LOG and WEIGHT50=IGNORE. But in my cfg files I have them both set to DELETE. Redundant, I realize but I am going bald right now trying to figure this out. I believe this file should have been deleted with a weight of 60. Am I wrong in this belief and if so, how do I make it so? 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb SBL:20 SPAMHEADERS:20 FLOWGO:20 . Total weight = 60.03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (bounce is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition?03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb L1 Message OK03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Subject: *^*^*^ Good Morning !!*^*^*^*3/5/0403/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] IP: 12.129.205.75 ID: h9208m03u7o603/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Tests failed [weight=60]: SBL=IGNORE SPAMHEADERS=WARN WEIGHT40=LOG WEIGHT50=IGNORE CATCHALLMAILS=IGNORE FLOWGO=WARN $default$.junkmail DSBLWARNORDBWARNOSDULWARNOSFORMWARNOSLISTWARNOSRELAYWARNOSSMARTWARNOSSOFT WARNOSSRC WARNSPAMCOPWARNSPAMSUBJ WARNDSNWARNNOABUSEWARNNOPOSTMASTERWARNMYFILTERWARNBADHEADERSWARNHELOBOGUSWARNMAILFROM WARNPERCENTWARNREVDNSWARNROUTINGWARNSPAMHEADERSWARN#SNIFFERWARN WEIGHT20WARNWEIGHT30WARNWEIGHT40DELETEWEIGHT50DELETEMAILTOWARNKFROMWARNCOUNTRYWARNCOMMENTS20WARNCOMMENTS40WARNCOMMENTS60WARNCOMMENTS80WARNCOMMENTS100WARNCOMMENTS120WARN global.cfg DSBLWARNORDBWARN#OSDULWARNOSFORMWARNOSLISTWARNOSRELAYWARNOSSMARTWARNOSSOFT WARNOSSRC WARNSPAMCOPWARNDSNWARNNOABUSEWARNNOPOSTMASTERWARNBADHEADERSWARNHELOBOGUSWARNKFROMWARNMAILFROM WARNMAILTOWARNPERCENTWARNREVDNSWARNROUTINGWARNSPAMHEADERSWARNSPAMSUBJWARN#SNIFFERWARNWEIGHT10WARNWEIGHT20WARNWEIGHT40DELETEWEIGHT50DELETE Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read thisthank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MattSent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:53 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??Jim,It's the fact that administrators bounce spam or unaddressable E-mail accepted by gateways for large sites like AOL and Yahoo that have completely ruined the use of the nobody alias for my domains because this forged stuff is constantly hitting my server, bounced from someone like you or someone like Yahoo and AOL. I've had a single person get over 200 bounce messages a day for things they didn't receive. As a result of this, I now have to score system notifications from other servers high in order to hopefully catch them on a single bit of content returned that I also sometimes false positive on legitimate bounces. If people stopped bouncing trash, none of this would be necessary.As far as your customer goes, allowing them to tell you to bounce spam is the equivalent of telling you to spam for them IMO. I will not bounce for my customers, I will capture in an account and they can go through that account looking for false positives if they wish, but being to lazy to want to bother is no excuse to bounce.It doesn't matter if you only get 100 spams a day, you just shouldn't bounce. The same thing goes for virus notifications IMO. Don't send me notices for any virus to my postmaster address, and please don't send notices to my customers...reason being, 99.9% of them are from forged addresses these days, and this causes 100 times more harm than good.MattJim Rooth wrote: Heck, I thought they had 10 gears but the 10th and 9th were reversed to give you a great overdrive. Shows what I know. I will check the archives again and see if I can find something that tells me different than don't use BOUNCE! That would be the simplest solution... Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 "If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Jim Jim Jim. What can I say. Sometimes, it is hard to use that new fangled transmission that only has 9 gears instead of 13. Check the current JunkMail manual and archives, and you will be surprised. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
I AGREE with you 100% Where besides the global.cfg and the $default$.junkmail could I have BOUNCE set up? I can't find it anywhere. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? After reading archives for the past two hours, I still do not understand why this is happening. I completely removed BOUNCE from $default$.junkmail and global.cfg. I changed it to delete. Great! As is evidenced by the lines below, WEIGHT40 is set to LOG and WEIGHT50=IGNORE. But in my cfg files I have them both set to DELETE. Redundant, I realize but I am going bald right now trying to figure this out. I believe this file should have been deleted with a weight of 60. Am I wrong in this belief and if so, how do I make it so? 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb SBL:20 SPAMHEADERS:20 FLOWGO:20 . Total weight = 60. 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (bounce is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition? This warning: indicates that you are still using the BOUNCE action somewhere. If you are insistent upon letting them do this, here's what I wrote yesterday: --- What I would recommend is having them sign a contract that they will be liable for any issues resulting from the bounces. Specifically, about 99.9% of the E-mail that is bouncing (E-mail that fails the WEIGHT40 test) is spam. Since about 99% of spam sent with a fake return address, that's 100,000s of spams a year your customer is sending out. If I were you, I would only do it if they assume liability for it. In any case, if you feel that it is appropriate to do so, you can rename the BOUNCE action to BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST, and it will start working again. --- Remember that even if they pay their bills like clockwork, there are some spammers out there that pay their bills like clockwork too. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
I AGREE with you 100% Where besides the global.cfg and the $default$.junkmail could I have BOUNCE set up? I can't find it anywhere. You can use LOGLEVEL HIGH to see which config files Declude JunkMail is using. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
I think maybe you should ensure that there are no other config files anywhere hanging around. Search the folder for files inclding the text bounce and see what you come up with. Hope that helps. Joe - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? After reading archives for the past two hours, I still do not understand why this is happening. I completely removed BOUNCE from $default$.junkmail and global.cfg. I changed it to delete. Great! As is evidenced by the lines below, WEIGHT40 is set to LOG and WEIGHT50=IGNORE. But in my cfg files I have them both set to DELETE. Redundant, I realize but I am going bald right now trying to figure this out. I believe this file should have been deleted with a weight of 60. Am I wrong in this belief and if so, how do I make it so? 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb SBL:20 SPAMHEADERS:20 FLOWGO:20 . Total weight = 60. 03/05/2004 07:26:33 Q800304f9037efdbb Warning: misconfiguration in following line in configuration file (bounce is not an ACTION). May be a duplicate test definition? This warning: indicates that you are still using the BOUNCE action somewhere. If you are insistent upon letting them do this, here's what I wrote yesterday: --- What I would recommend is having them sign a contract that they will be liable for any issues resulting from the bounces. Specifically, about 99.9% of the E-mail that is bouncing (E-mail that fails the WEIGHT40 test) is spam. Since about 99% of spam sent with a fake return address, that's 100,000s of spams a year your customer is sending out. If I were you, I would only do it if they assume liability for it. In any case, if you feel that it is appropriate to do so, you can rename the BOUNCE action to BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST, and it will start working again. --- Remember that even if they pay their bills like clockwork, there are some spammers out there that pay their bills like clockwork too. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Thanks Scott, found it hidden in a per user file! Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I AGREE with you 100% Where besides the global.cfg and the $default$.junkmail could I have BOUNCE set up? I can't find it anywhere. You can use LOGLEVEL HIGH to see which config files Declude JunkMail is using. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
One last thing...I have figured a way to keep the customer happy and still be bouncing everything. I have this particular client set up per domain. They are the only one out of 75 that are set that way. I have gone into their domain $default$.junkmail file and added WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain .com. I am of the opinion that this will send all mail with a weight of 40 or higher (to WEIGHT 60 which is set to delete) that is sent to their domain but will not send any other mail from other domains. Is that correct? Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I AGREE with you 100% Where besides the global.cfg and the $default$.junkmail could I have BOUNCE set up? I can't find it anywhere. You can use LOGLEVEL HIGH to see which config files Declude JunkMail is using. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
I have gone into their domain $default$.junkmail file and added WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain .com. I am of the opinion that this will send all mail with a weight of 40 or higher (to WEIGHT 60 which is set to delete) that is sent to their domain but will not send any other mail from other domains. Is that correct? That sounds like an excellent plan, and should work as you describe. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Someone correct me if I am wrong with what you said no messages will be deleted they will all use the WEIGHT40 ROUTETO action. If you use the ROUTETO and the DELETE at t higher weight the ROUTETO once the email is routed it can not be delete To be confidant of which action will happen use weight range and the final weight use weight this is what we have. It sopped dead and confusion on what action will happen when. SPAM-LOWweightrange x x 8 13 SPAM-MEDweightrange x x 14 24 SPAM-HIGH weight x x 25 0 Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have gone into their domain $default$.junkmail file and added WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] domain .com. I am of the opinion that this will send all mail with a weight of 40 or higher (to WEIGHT 60 which is set to delete) that is sent to their domain but will not send any other mail from other domains. Is that correct? That sounds like an excellent plan, and should work as you describe. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
with what you said no messages will be deleted they will all use the WEIGHT40 ROUTETO action. If you use the ROUTETO and the DELETE at t higher weight the ROUTETO once the email is routed it can not be delete Actually, what happens with WEIGHT40 ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED] and WEIGHT60 DELETE is that E-mails with a total weight of 60 or higher will have 2 actions that should be used: ROUTETO and DELETE. DELETE takes priority, so the E-mail will be deleted. To be confidant of which action will happen use weight range and the final weight use weight this is what we have. It sopped dead and confusion on what action will happen when. SPAM-LOWweightrange x x 8 13 SPAM-MEDweightrange x x 14 24 SPAM-HIGH weight x x 25 0 This is a very good idea, as it lets you decide the action, rather than relying on Declude JunkMail to decide. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using WEIGHT40 BOUNCE? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. I just went through and I lied to you. It started yesterday at 1311 which is when I loaded the v178.i9 on the server. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using WEIGHT40 BOUNCE? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Jim Jim Jim. What can I say. Sometimes, it is hard to use that new fangled transmission that only has 9 gears instead of 13. Check the current JunkMail manual and archives, and you will be surprised. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. I just went through and I lied to you. It started yesterday at 1311 which is when I loaded the v178.i9 on the server. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using WEIGHT40 BOUNCE? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. What I would recommend is having them sign a contract that they will be liable for any issues resulting from the bounces. Specifically, about 99.9% of the E-mail that is bouncing (E-mail that fails the WEIGHT40 test) is spam. Since about 99% of spam sent with a fake return address, that's 100,000s of spams a year your customer is sending out. If I were you, I would only do it if they assume liability for it. In any case, if you feel that it is appropriate to do so, you can rename the BOUNCE action to BOUNCEONLYIFYOUMUST, and it will start working again. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Heck, I thought they had 10 gears but the 10th and 9th were reversed to give you a great overdrive. Shows what I know. I will check the archives again and see if I can find something that tells me different than don't use BOUNCE! That would be the simplest solution... Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Jim Jim Jim. What can I say. Sometimes, it is hard to use that new fangled transmission that only has 9 gears instead of 13. Check the current JunkMail manual and archives, and you will be surprised. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. I just went through and I lied to you. It started yesterday at 1311 which is when I loaded the v178.i9 on the server. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using WEIGHT40 BOUNCE? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
No don't forget, shifting from 9 to 10 is now done by the computer. (Man, I hate that transmission. Just feels weird.) John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Heck, I thought they had 10 gears but the 10th and 9th were reversed to give you a great overdrive. Shows what I know. I will check the archives again and see if I can find something that tells me different than don't use BOUNCE! That would be the simplest solution... Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Jim Jim Jim. What can I say. Sometimes, it is hard to use that new fangled transmission that only has 9 gears instead of 13. Check the current JunkMail manual and archives, and you will be surprised. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. I just went through and I lied to you. It started yesterday at 1311 which is when I loaded the v178.i9 on the server. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using WEIGHT40 BOUNCE? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action??
Jim, It's the fact that administrators bounce spam or unaddressable E-mail accepted by gateways for large sites like AOL and Yahoo that have completely ruined the use of the nobody alias for my domains because this forged stuff is constantly hitting my server, bounced from someone like you or someone like Yahoo and AOL. I've had a single person get over 200 bounce messages a day for things they didn't receive. As a result of this, I now have to score system notifications from other servers high in order to hopefully catch them on a single bit of content returned that I also sometimes false positive on legitimate bounces. If people stopped bouncing trash, none of this would be necessary. As far as your customer goes, allowing them to tell you to bounce spam is the equivalent of telling you to spam for them IMO. I will not bounce for my customers, I will capture in an account and they can go through that account looking for false positives if they wish, but being to lazy to want to bother is no excuse to bounce. It doesn't matter if you only get 100 spams a day, you just shouldn't bounce. The same thing goes for virus notifications IMO. Don't send me notices for any virus to my postmaster address, and please don't send notices to my customers...reason being, 99.9% of them are from forged addresses these days, and this causes 100 times more harm than good. Matt Jim Rooth wrote: Heck, I thought they had 10 gears but the 10th and 9th were reversed to give you a great overdrive. Shows what I know. I will check the archives again and see if I can find something that tells me different than don't use BOUNCE! That would be the simplest solution... Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 "If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Jim Jim Jim. What can I say. Sometimes, it is hard to use that new fangled transmission that only has 9 gears instead of 13. Check the current JunkMail manual and archives, and you will be surprised. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? Not because I want to, that's for sure. But I have my largest customer who wants all mail to be sent back so the sender can see their email didn't go through. They average 900 emails a day just from bounces! The overhead caused by it is extremely detrimental but they pay the bill like clockwork. I just went through and I lied to you. It started yesterday at 1311 which is when I loaded the v178.i9 on the server. Jim Rooth Clotron, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] 214.244.0979 "If you can read this.thank a teacher If you are reading this in English, thank a veteran!" -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Bounce not an action?? I have WEIGHT40 set to bounce in the global.cfg. I know you're looking for an answer, but before I give it to you, can I ask why you are using "WEIGHT40 BOUNCE"? -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Catches known viruses and is the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- --- --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)]
