RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Well, although I know nothing about SmarterMail, I believe I remember talk that AUTOWHITELIST was not working properly and was supposed to be fixed but then they changed something and possibly Declude then had to change something for it to work again. John T eServices For You Seek, and ye shall find! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 11:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Ok. I finally got Declude running. But it seems that AUTOWHITELIST is broken ... ARGH. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Declude is looking in the wrong damn spot for the SmarterMail address book. 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]@milehighnetworks.com] *local* 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\addressBook .xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\userconfig. xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 Domain name = milehighnetworks.com, User name = jay. I have left *three* unanswered voicemails on the Urgent declude number, and sent two emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with NO RESPONSE. If you are going to advertise after hours support for urgent issues, it should actually exist. This is completely rediculous. Only adding insult to injury, my service agreement expires in 4 days, so I get to pay Declude for this misery. Thanks Declude. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:32 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 What buckets of flaming fun I'm having tonight. Declude 4 installer is giving me errors; I've got Declude 4 files dropped all over the place in unexpected places, and I've got no clue how to fix this because I can't find any documentation as to what a proper installation of Declude 4.0 is supposed to look like I'd much prefer command line and READ ME based installation over some crap-ass, bug ridden installation process.I hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what's required for patching together a manual install of Declude 4 into SmarterMail 3. My guess is at this hour, I am SOL. What a disaster. Right now I've got Declude completely disabled and I am already leaking spam like crazy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Per a direct email to me, AUTOWHITELIST cobbles together the path for a user's XML file by taking the settings for SmarterMail's default 'domain path', not the actual 'domain path' that exists in the SmarterMail configuration for the domain. This is a huge problem if you run servers with mail spread across multiple drives, because currently AUTOWHITELIST will only work for your domains that are on one drive. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:53 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Ok. I finally got Declude running. But it seems that AUTOWHITELIST is broken ... ARGH. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Declude is looking in the wrong damn spot for the SmarterMail address book. 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]@milehighnetworks.com] *local* 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\addressBook .xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\userconfig. xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 Domain name = milehighnetworks.com, User name = jay. I have left *three* unanswered voicemails on the Urgent declude number, and sent two emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with NO RESPONSE. If you are going to advertise after hours support for urgent issues, it should actually exist. This is completely rediculous. Only adding insult to injury, my service agreement expires in 4 days, so I get to pay Declude for this misery. Thanks Declude. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:32 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 What buckets of flaming fun I'm having tonight. Declude 4 installer is giving me errors; I've got Declude 4 files dropped all over the place in unexpected places, and I've got no clue how to fix this because I can't find any documentation as to what a proper installation of Declude 4.0 is supposed to look like I'd much prefer command line and READ ME based installation over some crap-ass, bug ridden installation process.I hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what's required for patching together a manual install of Declude 4 into SmarterMail 3. My guess is at this hour, I am SOL. What a disaster. Right now I've got Declude completely disabled and I am already leaking spam like crazy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
If this is true this is a big problem for use too. Because we use Imail (getting ready to move to SM3) and the path for the emails are in the users root folder x:\webspace\reseller\user\domain.com\special\ Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 10:26 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Per a direct email to me, AUTOWHITELIST cobbles together the path for a user's XML file by taking the settings for SmarterMail's default 'domain path', not the actual 'domain path' that exists in the SmarterMail configuration for the domain. This is a huge problem if you run servers with mail spread across multiple drives, because currently AUTOWHITELIST will only work for your domains that are on one drive. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 2:53 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Ok. I finally got Declude running. But it seems that AUTOWHITELIST is broken ... ARGH. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Declude is looking in the wrong damn spot for the SmarterMail address book. 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]@milehighnetworks.com] *local* 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\addressBook .xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\userconfig. xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 Domain name = milehighnetworks.com, User name = jay. I have left *three* unanswered voicemails on the Urgent declude number, and sent two emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with NO RESPONSE. If you are going to advertise after hours support for urgent issues, it should actually exist. This is completely rediculous. Only adding insult to injury, my service agreement expires in 4 days, so I get to pay Declude for this misery. Thanks Declude. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:32 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 What buckets of flaming fun I'm having tonight. Declude 4 installer is giving me errors; I've got Declude 4 files dropped all over the place in unexpected places, and I've got no clue how to fix this because I can't find any documentation as to what a proper installation of Declude 4.0 is supposed to look like I'd much prefer command line and READ ME based installation over some crap-ass, bug ridden installation process.I hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what's required for patching together a manual install of Declude 4 into SmarterMail 3. My guess is at this hour, I am SOL. What a disaster. Right now I've got Declude completely disabled and I am already leaking spam like crazy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
What buckets of flaming fun I'm having tonight. Declude 4 installer is giving me errors; I've got Declude 4 files dropped all over the place in unexpected places, and I've got no clue how to fix this because I can't find any documentation as to what a proper installation of Declude 4.0 is supposed to look like I'd much prefer command line and READ ME based installation over some crap-ass, bug ridden installation process.I hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what's required for patching together a manual install of Declude 4 into SmarterMail 3. My guess is at this hour, I am SOL. What a disaster. Right now I've got Declude completely disabled and I am already leaking spam like crazy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
It was saved to the desktop before I ran it. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:49 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 It looks like you rand this from the web site. I would try downloading then installing. Running from a web site will run the app froma temporary folder which in my experience sometimes has a problem. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 10:05 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Sorry for the HTML and inline image, but I want to puke: -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Ok. I finally got Declude running. But it seems that AUTOWHITELIST is broken ... ARGH. [EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED] Declude is looking in the wrong damn spot for the SmarterMail address book. 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]@milehighnetworks.com] *local* 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\addressBook .xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 No d:\smartermail\domainsDomains\milehighnetworks.com\Users\jay\userconfig. xml 03/10/2006 00:23:00.043 1631193701 Domain name = milehighnetworks.com, User name = jay. I have left *three* unanswered voicemails on the Urgent declude number, and sent two emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with NO RESPONSE. If you are going to advertise after hours support for urgent issues, it should actually exist. This is completely rediculous. Only adding insult to injury, my service agreement expires in 4 days, so I get to pay Declude for this misery. Thanks Declude. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 1:32 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 What buckets of flaming fun I'm having tonight. Declude 4 installer is giving me errors; I've got Declude 4 files dropped all over the place in unexpected places, and I've got no clue how to fix this because I can't find any documentation as to what a proper installation of Declude 4.0 is supposed to look like I'd much prefer command line and READ ME based installation over some crap-ass, bug ridden installation process.I hope someone can point me in the right direction as to what's required for patching together a manual install of Declude 4 into SmarterMail 3. My guess is at this hour, I am SOL. What a disaster. Right now I've got Declude completely disabled and I am already leaking spam like crazy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 12:59 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Grr. This is seriously infuriating. I wonder what the real extent of this issue is: http://forums.webhostautomation.com/viewtopic.php?t=16274 http://forums.smartertools.com/forums/13425/ShowPost.aspx Worst case I'll have to go back to subject tagging and deleting in Declude directly. What a drag. -Jay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert E. Spivack Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 1:53 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
One limitation in SmarterMail is you can't turn off the built-in webmail commands for mark as spam which is used to build the spam/ham queues for the internal Bayesian filters. Since we aren't using the SmarterMail filters, this is basically a confusing no op option for our users and we would prefer to hide this choice but there is no option to turn it off and the skins customization does not allow this kind of change (at this time the entire skins thing is broken as it has not been upgraded to v3.) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:14 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
FYI, David informed me that the SM3/Declude 4.x will us the global.cfg for actions instead of the $default$.junkmail file. This was more then a week ago, so I don't know if this has been changed yet. (SM3 issue) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Yes, everything in Declude is set to WARN. SM has settings for each weight, low, med and high (which correspond to Subject tagging, Hold and Delete in our setup). We have a global setting for the server, and we allow any domain admin or individual user to override these settings. The Unmark as Spam button puts the sending address in the whitelist section of a user's xml configuration file. If I remember correctly, Declude reads this file and a user's address book file (if you have AUTOWHITELIST on) to see if it should whitelist a message. The trusted senders section of SM works differently. Declude does not read this section, from what I can tell. Declude will still give a message a high weight, but then SM sees that they are a trusted sender and ignores Declude's weight. I almost would rather Unmark as Spam and address book work this way, just to keep things consistent. It may be possible by removing AUTOWHITELIST from global.cfg, but I'm leery about messing with a setup that's working. I forgot to mention the most useful part of the new system: SM now passes authentication information to Declude so Declude won't tag your authenticated users as spam anymore (WHITELIST AUTH). We did have some trouble getting Declude to install. We're fairly sure it was because we had done a manual install of version 2.x that used several drives. I haven't heard of many problems from other people, and in our case a little registry editing took care of it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Our setup is across multiple drives. I'm curious to know what issues you had. I know on another server where we recently installed Declude 3, we had an issue with Declude proc getting installed to D:\ when everything else was on C:\. This was resolved by moving the exe to C:\ and updating the service to reference the proper location. Did you face something similar? We did have some trouble getting Declude to install. We're fairly sure it was because we had done a manual install of version 2.x that used several drives. I haven't heard of many problems from other people, and in our case a little registry editing took care of it. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
That seems like a pretty big issue ... Currently actions in global.cfg only apply to outgoing mail, no? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Baranowski Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:39 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 FYI, David informed me that the SM3/Declude 4.x will us the global.cfg for actions instead of the $default$.junkmail file. This was more then a week ago, so I don't know if this has been changed yet. (SM3 issue) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? This should add the sender to SM trusted sender file which Declude checks against for whitelisting. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
The initial release of SM 3.x they changed the format of their domains file so everything that Declude checked was considered outgoing. This has since been resolved with the latest release in 4.0.9 and 3.0.6 in Declude and 3.x of SM. David B www.declude.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Baranowski Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 4:39 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 FYI, David informed me that the SM3/Declude 4.x will us the global.cfg for actions instead of the $default$.junkmail file. This was more then a week ago, so I don't know if this has been changed yet. (SM3 issue) Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:06 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 So in your Declude configuration, you have everything set to WARN only? And then in SmarterMail, you decide what actions to take? What impact does unmark as spam have, in relation to Declude? I get the feeling that this could be very powerful, in terms of dealing with false positives, etc ... assuming that it works as it should. Using SmarterMail based rules, it'd be possible to move spam to the customer's junk e-mail folder and then also use SmarterMail's auto-purge settings to keep the size of the junkmail folder under control. We can also give our customers more power to whitelist through SmarterMail trusted senders. We are planning on upgrading later this week and I want to do it right. I just hope that the transition between essentially what was Declude setup for iMail originally, to Declude integrated with SmarterMail will be smooth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Robertson Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 2:14 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Declude's integration with SmarterMail's spam system is something we had been waiting on for over a year. Declude passes the final weight back to SM, and SM decides what to do with the message. This means you can set different actions for each user or domain based on whatever weight is best for them. Some admins might take this for granted, but using SM 2.x with Declude always felt like you were patching together content filters to try to trick SM into reading Declude's recommendation. Basically everything built into SM to handle spam now works, including: domain and user level trusted senders; whitelisting from address books and Unmark as Spam; and whitelisting thru SM only applies to the user/domain it was set for (whereas whitelisting thru Declude would whitelist the message for every recipient). In addition, the SM spam setting for message forwarding (i.e. - Do not forward spam level medium and above) actually works. Very useful. In short, the SM 3/Declude 4 combo is an incredible improvement over the previous version. Declude just assigns the weight -- SM handles delivering, modifying or deleting the message. I can't comment on SMTP blocking. We use gateways to filter all incoming mail, so we don't use that feature. I'd be interested to hear whether it actually does use Declude to block at the SMTP level. Hope that helps, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 9:51 AM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 I'm wondering if anyone is running SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 and can explain the greater integration that SmarterMail now has with Declude, and how you've been dealing with that so far. Most intriguing is this potential feature from SmarterMail manual: Declude Declude integration allows you to use Declude products in conjunction with the SmarterMail weighting system. Configuration of Declude is done through the Declude product, and all you need to do in SmarterMail is enable the spam check. -- AND -- SMTP Blocking This tab allows you to set up extra spam checks that block emails at delivery if a certain amount of spam checks fail. Enable SMTP Spam Blocking - Check this box to turn on this feature. SMTP Block Threshold - An email must score this value or higher in order to be blocked. The score is established by the settings on the Spam Checks tab. Does this mean that it's now possible to reject messages using Declude at the SMTP session level? Thanks! - Jay Sudowski // Handy Networks LLC Director of Technical Operations Providing Shared, Reseller, Semi Managed and Fully Managed Windows 2003 Hosting Solutions Tel: 877-70 HANDY x882 | Fax: 888-300-2FAX www.handynetworks.com --- This E-mail came from
RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Declude wouldn't even install for us. It kept giving error 8001 Error copying files to target directory. Our setup sounds similar to yours. We had Declude on C: and it kept trying to install the new stuff to J: (where the SmarterMail mailboxes are). It wouldn't copy in the new files even after we backed up and deleted all the existing files. We finally went into the registry and deleted the entire ComputerizedHorizons key so the installer wouldn't know about the previous installation. We installed and copied in our old settings files and modified them to add the new Declude options. Took a lot longer than it should have, but at least it worked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Our setup is across multiple drives. I'm curious to know what issues you had. I know on another server where we recently installed Declude 3, we had an issue with Declude proc getting installed to D:\ when everything else was on C:\. This was resolved by moving the exe to C:\ and updating the service to reference the proper location. Did you face something similar? We did have some trouble getting Declude to install. We're fairly sure it was because we had done a manual install of version 2.x that used several drives. I haven't heard of many problems from other people, and in our case a little registry editing took care of it. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4
Let me add a little 'gotcha' that I was nailed with this morning with in relation to SmarterMail. I changed my Windows machine name on my SmarterMail box, and the damn software stopped functioning without so much as a pop-up. This was only apparent in the Webmail interface, and unfortunately a client of mine had to tell me this at 8 a.m. while I was on my way home after I spent the night in the data center doing planned maintenance. Thankfully it took my original registration information and unlocked itself. VERY thankfully, it didn't reject the incoming E-mail, so that was all spooled and ready for it to come back up. I'm annoyed though by the illogical dependency and how it makes me look to my customers. BTW, I changed my default locations in my SmarterMail 2.6 install similar to yours, and while most everything works, I can't modify any of the skins, and their support stopped responding to my thread. I that they are not very used to people wanting to change things like default directories, but naturally it makes sense to not want everything on your C: drive. With defaults I'm sure it works flawlessly. Matt Jeff Robertson wrote: Declude wouldn't even install for us. It kept giving error 8001 "Error copying files to target directory". Our setup sounds similar to yours. We had Declude on C: and it kept trying to install the new stuff to J: (where the SmarterMail mailboxes are). It wouldn't copy in the new files even after we backed up and deleted all the existing files. We finally went into the registry and deleted the entire ComputerizedHorizons key so the installer wouldn't know about the previous installation. We installed and copied in our old settings files and modified them to add the new Declude options. Took a lot longer than it should have, but at least it worked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 3:57 PM To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail 3 / Declude 4 Our setup is across multiple drives. I'm curious to know what issues you had. I know on another server where we recently installed Declude 3, we had an issue with Declude proc getting installed to D:\ when everything else was on C:\. This was resolved by moving the exe to C:\ and updating the service to reference the proper location. Did you face something similar? We did have some trouble getting Declude to install. We're fairly sure it was because we had done a manual install of version 2.x that used several drives. I haven't heard of many problems from other people, and in our case a little registry editing took care of it. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
