Re: [Declude.Virus] %date%
We would also be interested in an variable with european time format for use in our *.eml files. Thank you Bernd and Markus for this Idea, I think it would be a help for european people. Uwe - Original Message - From: Markus Gufler To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] %date% american standard format is MM/DD/ european standard format is DD.MM. For logfiles I still preferMMDD (or with IMail MMDD) as it's more logic and straight forward then the european and american format. In this case Bernd has asked for a variable that can be used in warning messages. If you as server admin has problems with the other date format imagine normal users maybe neihter knowing there is another date format. Markus From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:44 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] %date% I have to deal with this issue all the time, as I have a client with an office and 4 servers in Toronto, and they want the date set on the servers like DDMM and I have to always double check which server and logs I am working on so as to not confuse work done and reports from logs. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goebbels, Bernd (LDS)Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:30 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Declude.Virus] %date% hello scott, is there a possibility that you create a secong date because we in europe don't use the date like you do, we use it like DDMM, thiscould cause misunderstandings with our clients.so could you create for virus and junkmail something like i.e.%dateeuro%? bernd goebbels LDSNRW Germany
Re: [Declude.Virus] %date%
Great! Thank you Scott, that is exactly what we need. Uwe - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] %date% is there a possibility that you create a secong date because we in europe don't use the date like you do, we use it like DDMM, this could cause misunderstandings with our clients. so could you create for virus and junkmail something like i.e. %dateeuro%? I expect this should get changed shortly. Most likely, %DATE% will get converted to the de-facto international standard DD MMM (as in 12 Aug 2004). Unlike DD/MM/ and MM/DD/, DD MMM can be read by anyone anywhere (with the other two, 02/03/2004 could be either February or March; it is impossible to tell). The true standard date format (MMDD) is too confusing for the average person to deal with, as it is rarely seen, but may get added as well. In the next release, %DATE% will indeed be changed to DD MMM (12 Aug 2004), and %USDATE% will have the old U.S.-style date format (08/12/2004), %EURDATE% will have the European-style date format (12/08/2004), and %ISODATE% will have the standard date format (2004-08-12). The reason for changing %DATE% is to ensure that after upgrading, everybody uses an international-friendly date format. If anybody doesn't like that, they do have the option of switching to %USDATE%. And those that want to can use %EURDATE% or %ISODATE%. However, only %DATE% or %ISODATE% should really be used (as both can be read by anybody). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
AW: [Declude.Virus] %date%
thanx -Ursprungliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Auftrag von R. Scott Perry Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. August 2004 13:51 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [Declude.Virus] %date% is there a possibility that you create a secong date because we in europe don't use the date like you do, we use it like DDMM, this could cause misunderstandings with our clients. so could you create for virus and junkmail something like i.e. %dateeuro%? I expect this should get changed shortly. Most likely, %DATE% will get converted to the de-facto international standard DD MMM (as in 12 Aug 2004). Unlike DD/MM/ and MM/DD/, DD MMM can be read by anyone anywhere (with the other two, 02/03/2004 could be either February or March; it is impossible to tell). The true standard date format (MMDD) is too confusing for the average person to deal with, as it is rarely seen, but may get added as well. In the next release, %DATE% will indeed be changed to DD MMM (12 Aug 2004), and %USDATE% will have the old U.S.-style date format (08/12/2004), %EURDATE% will have the European-style date format (12/08/2004), and %ISODATE% will have the standard date format (2004-08-12). The reason for changing %DATE% is to ensure that after upgrading, everybody uses an international-friendly date format. If anybody doesn't like that, they do have the option of switching to %USDATE%. And those that want to can use %EURDATE% or %ISODATE%. However, only %DATE% or %ISODATE% should really be used (as both can be read by anybody). -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] %date%
In the next release, %DATE% will indeed be changed to DD MMM (12 Aug 2004), and %USDATE% will have the old U.S.-style date format (08/12/2004), %EURDATE% will have the European-style date format (12/08/2004), and %ISODATE% will have the standard date format (2004-08-12). Thank you Scott. Markus --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] %date%
If I may chime in here. Yes, the international standard is indeed -MM-DD and if separated by hyphens as shown, there can be absolutely no confusion. We have used it for years, as it is also the only one which can sort properly in plain text. However, even though the Canadian government mandated it as the standard many years ago, their own forms still do not. Go figure. But, why can Declude not simply use the setting in Windows? Then everyone can use their own for their specific locality. Erik Erik Hjelholt, Managing Director Alberni-dot-Net, a div. of Tandem Security Inc. 4716 Roger St., Port Alberni, BC V9Y 3Z2 Phone: 250-720-8110 - Fax: 250-723-0901 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 04:12 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] %date% is there a possibility that you create a secong date because we in europe don't use the date like you do, we use it like DDMM, this could cause misunderstandings with our clients. so could you create for virus and junkmail something like i.e. %dateeuro%? I expect this should get changed shortly. Most likely, %DATE% will get converted to the de-facto international standard DD MMM (as in 12 Aug 2004). Unlike DD/MM/ and MM/DD/, DD MMM can be read by anyone anywhere (with the other two, 02/03/2004 could be either February or March; it is impossible to tell). The true standard date format (MMDD) is too confusing for the average person to deal with, as it is rarely seen, but may get added as well. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] %date%
Yes, the international standard is indeed -MM-DD and if separated by hyphens as shown, there can be absolutely no confusion. There are two confusions here. One is whether or not the date format can be mis-read (for example, some people see 08-12-2004 as being today, while others see it as a date several months from now). That is not an issue with -MM-DD (technically, it could be confused with -DD-MM, but nobody is known to use that format). The other type of confusion is understanding what you are looking at. Someone in the U.S. is likely to see Received on: 2004-08-12 and think that it is some code. But, why can Declude not simply use the setting in Windows? Then everyone can use their own for their specific locality. Because the Internet is global, and only an extremely small percentage of Internet users have ever not connected to computers in countries that use a different date format. That's why we're encouraging the international-friendly date format. I think that adding code to make it easier for people to support a confusing non-standard isn't worth the time. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: [Declude.Virus] %date%
I'll be happy to take the ISO date format in any way I can. You see, whereas in the U.S. you may be used to the 08/12/04, it is often confused up here as there are some who insist on using 12/08/04. I always used to figure that anything with slashes and six digits would be the U.S. format, but that is not necessarily so anymore. Too many cash registers here now use DD/MM/YY. I really can't see anyone being confused by the ISO date, even those of you to the South of us.:-) Erik -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 11:44 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] %date% Yes, the international standard is indeed -MM-DD and if separated by hyphens as shown, there can be absolutely no confusion. There are two confusions here. One is whether or not the date format can be mis-read (for example, some people see 08-12-2004 as being today, while others see it as a date several months from now). That is not an issue with -MM-DD (technically, it could be confused with -DD-MM, but nobody is known to use that format). The other type of confusion is understanding what you are looking at. Someone in the U.S. is likely to see Received on: 2004-08-12 and think that it is some code. But, why can Declude not simply use the setting in Windows? Then everyone can use their own for their specific locality. Because the Internet is global, and only an extremely small percentage of Internet users have ever not connected to computers in countries that use a different date format. That's why we're encouraging the international-friendly date format. I think that adding code to make it easier for people to support a confusing non-standard isn't worth the time. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.Virus mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.Virus.The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
