Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Rick! On 15-02-2011 22:19, Rick Hansson wrote: [...] A short presentation: I'm a designer and project manager. I work on Mac, Windows and Linux, but my major platform is design. I've never participated in open source development before, but I've worked with open source scripts/programs in many projects for years. This is great! It seems very exciting! I'm sure you will enjoy this team style! :D Be welcome! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Rick, sorry for replying late - but at the moment all I can do is marking the mails I want to reply and reply later on... > Hi, all new friends, > > > I agree with Nik. On the other hand, I'm very impressed with he work that > has been done in such a short time. We will have to discuss the logo topic in quite a short time - but at the moment it was necessary to come up with something people can use. (you probably read my latest mails on the logo). > > > I'm new here and I've followed this mailing list for a while to get an idea > of how the collaboration is done. Welcome to our team! You already did the second step: Not only reading, but posting on the list. Great! We know that our structure is far away from being optimized with regards to new contributors, so please bare with us and ask, if there is anything you don't understand. If you want to, you might write down your experience with our team and put it on the wiki (you already know about it?) for future "newbies". You might propose improvements to our workflow as well... Did you follow Christoph's Kick-off effort? You'll see that we are heading towards the basic decisions in LibreOffice design. > > A short presentation: > > I'm a designer and project manager. I work on Mac, Windows and Linux, but my > major platform is design. I've never participated in open source development > before, but I've worked with open source scripts/programs in many projects > for years. Our team is (probably) different from most of the OS development areas, because - we aren't developers - we work collaboratively instead of merging different "patches" to dedicated topics - we think our work influences the entire community - we have a lot of fun (okay - the last two points might fit to other teams as well ;-) ) > > > i would be happy if a can contribute and help. I'm sure you will be able to help us - just read the mails sent here and jump in whenever you like to... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Ni Rick, welcome to the Design team - great to have you here, and also thanks for the nice introduction. Do you need anything to feel comfortable, to know something about FLOSS development? Since you followed the mailing list for a while, you might have noticed that our working style is a bit "organic" at the moment :-) Concerning the topics Nik mentioned - I currently feel swamped with work, so I (personally) cannot address this before the end of the week (if I can do this...). By the way, I won't be available today - so sorry to all the guys who put their personal information in the wiki, and all the (great to see) lurkers - the blog posting has to wait a day or two. If anybody wants to go ahead, then please do! Enjoy your day! Christoph Am Mittwoch, den 16.02.2011, 01:19 +0100 schrieb Rick Hansson: > Hi, all new friends, > > > I agree with Nik. On the other hand, I'm very impressed with he work that > has been done in such a short time. > > > I'm new here and I've followed this mailing list for a while to get an idea > of how the collaboration is done. > > A short presentation: > > I'm a designer and project manager. I work on Mac, Windows and Linux, but my > major platform is design. I've never participated in open source development > before, but I've worked with open source scripts/programs in many projects > for years. > > > i would be happy if a can contribute and help. > > > Rick > > > > > > > In my opinion when the Community branding /does/ arrive, it should be a > > MAJOR OVERHAUL. Not just a /slight change/ to the existing logo's > > composition. This logo was made for The Document Foundation, where a > > "document" makes sense as a logo, but LibreOffice is a SUITE of software, > > not just a document. The Community logo should take that step and address > > this issue. (maybe bad example, but MSO's "flower" is a symbol of the 4 main > > applications comprising that suite, not trying to turn us into them, just > > saying that by comparison we seem to be "missing the bigger picture" > > metaphorically). > > > > For the mean time, the document will do, but that doesn't mean to say that > > the logo, exactly as it was originally created, should remain unchanged > > until the Community Branding arrives does it? > > Because that is a long way away. Ohh, I argue for this but I don't know > > if it means anything to anyone else. If I'm the only one that sees it this > > way I'll stop and turn my attention elsewhere. > > Branding is important to me, but I know it's not the only thing we do. > > > > -Nik > > > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi, all new friends, I agree with Nik. On the other hand, I'm very impressed with he work that has been done in such a short time. I'm new here and I've followed this mailing list for a while to get an idea of how the collaboration is done. A short presentation: I'm a designer and project manager. I work on Mac, Windows and Linux, but my major platform is design. I've never participated in open source development before, but I've worked with open source scripts/programs in many projects for years. i would be happy if a can contribute and help. Rick > > In my opinion when the Community branding /does/ arrive, it should be a > MAJOR OVERHAUL. Not just a /slight change/ to the existing logo's > composition. This logo was made for The Document Foundation, where a > "document" makes sense as a logo, but LibreOffice is a SUITE of software, > not just a document. The Community logo should take that step and address > this issue. (maybe bad example, but MSO's "flower" is a symbol of the 4 main > applications comprising that suite, not trying to turn us into them, just > saying that by comparison we seem to be "missing the bigger picture" > metaphorically). > > For the mean time, the document will do, but that doesn't mean to say that > the logo, exactly as it was originally created, should remain unchanged > until the Community Branding arrives does it? > Because that is a long way away. Ohh, I argue for this but I don't know > if it means anything to anyone else. If I'm the only one that sees it this > way I'll stop and turn my attention elsewhere. > Branding is important to me, but I know it's not the only thing we do. > > -Nik > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard!, all! On 2/6/2011 9:06 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote: I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, but I think it's necessary to discuss and plan for this. Most people will see our logo before they even try the software. We might lose them before we even shake their hand. You really think that we lose most of our possible customers because of our poor logo? I didn't think it would be *that* bad... Best regards Bernhard =) You're right, probably a gross over-exaggeration. But here's an interesting (well, kinda boring actually) story; At the end of last semester, one of our students asked me how to go deeper than simple web-dev. He wanted PHP. I opened up Eclipse and Netbeans homepages and told him these 2 were the bees-knees. I expected he would opt for Eclipse because they had a better (not usability-wise) website (wasn't always the case, that). He said "Hmmm, I'll give this (Netbeans) a try" and I asked him "out of curiosity, why not eclipse?". He said; "Their logo looks like it was made in a high-school design competition"... That made me smile. Such a simple, uneducated choice huh? but who here is not guilty of having judged a book by it's cover? Sadly, almost all my books have nice covers. I'm not really ashamed, that's the power of good Design. -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard, Christoph, all! Sorry for the laaate reply... On 2/9/2011 9:32 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi Christoph, all, ... once more even important mails need to wait for reply... Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes concerning the logo already address some parts of the community branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens, lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful concerning any change at the moment. I might be totally wrong, but what I understood when talking to Charles and other SC members was, that they want to provide a different logo without the TDF subline to be used in external references to the LibreOffice product and community. I don't know about a final decision with regards to the license of this "external use logo", but as it might be different from the present logo license I thought a slightly different logo could help. The logos are similar enough to recognize them as belonging together, while the modified symbol allows a differentiation to the TDF symbol. I know that people already created some material based on the logo with TDF subline. This logo should no longer be used for external references (if I understood Charles right) - so many of these items might not be appropriate for a longer time, if they contain the TDF subline. But if the SC decides just to remove the TDF subline from the logo, the modified logo ideas will become relevant, when we start discussing the Community Branding. Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text LibreOffice and a subline? We actually re-used the TDF symbol in the icons just to drop it from the logo? I'd like to promote this symbol in external resources too. The Branding Guidelines already allow to use the text and the symbol independently, so this would not be any problem even with the present graphics. If we add new sublines, which sublines and at which position (and distance to the text), we need to discuss with the marketing team, I think. If we need something "neat", why not play with the triangle that may be added somewhere - it can also be considered to be a (current) key visual. Of course we can use the triangle as an additional branding element, but I would not replace the document symbol... Best regards Bernhard PS: If the logo is considered to be too distinct from the present logo, we should add it (together with Nik's proposals) to the wiki in order to not forget it until we start the Community Branding. M, I'm going to risk sounding like a broken record (but that's what happens when one has a one-track mind like me), but I'm just slightly (not seriously) disappointed by the rigidity around the logo. I understand the need for consistency, but not consistency at the price of quality. These change; (http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg) are VERY small changes. (although Bernhard did get a bit more "wild" with his =D ; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Logo_idea.png). Right now may be the BEST time to make them, because they have been plastered across fewer things and places. The longer we wait the more difficult it will be. In my opinion when the Community branding /does/ arrive, it should be a MAJOR OVERHAUL. Not just a /slight change/ to the existing logo's composition. This logo was made for The Document Foundation, where a "document" makes sense as a logo, but LibreOffice is a SUITE of software, not just a document. The Community logo should take that step and address this issue. (maybe bad example, but MSO's "flower" is a symbol of the 4 main applications comprising that suite, not trying to turn us into them, just saying that by comparison we seem to be "missing the bigger picture" metaphorically). For the mean time, the document will do, but that doesn't mean to say that the logo, exactly as it was originally created, should remain unchanged until the Community Branding arrives does it? Because that is a long way away. Ohh, I argue for this but I don't know if it means anything to anyone else. If I'm the only one that sees it this way I'll stop and turn my attention elsewhere. Branding is important to me, but I know it's not the only thing we do. -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard! Am Dienstag, den 08.02.2011, 23:32 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Hi Christoph, all, > > ... once more even important mails need to wait for reply... I know what you mean ... > Christoph Noack schrieb: > > Hi Bernhard, > > > > I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes > > concerning the logo already address some parts of the community > > branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I > > fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a > > lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens, > > lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and > > press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful > > concerning any change at the moment. > > I might be totally wrong, but what I understood when talking to Charles > and other SC members was, that they want to provide a different logo > without the TDF subline to be used in external references to the > LibreOffice product and community. I attended the SC talk that time, and the "simple" requirement was a logo (logo = visual composition of the existing elements) that misses the subline, and - if possible - implements other ones. In the most simple case, removing the TDF subline would have been enough. > I don't know about a final decision with regards to the license of this > "external use logo", but as it might be different from the present logo > license I thought a slightly different logo could help. As far as I know, it is rather simple to use the current logo - the only thing that allows for some "control" are the trademarks for LibreOffice and The Document Foundation. Thus, the graphical representation is not protected, but the names will be. Consequently, it will be sufficient to keep the graphics at the moment - if they fit into the design. > The logos are similar enough to recognize them as belonging together, > while the modified symbol allows a differentiation to the TDF symbol. > > I know that people already created some material based on the logo with > TDF subline. This logo should no longer be used for external references > (if I understood Charles right) - so many of these items might not be > appropriate for a longer time, if they contain the TDF subline. Mmh, if I got it right, the TDF subline shall be used for the product and official stuff. If people are community member, (commercial) supporter, ... then the subline-less logo shall be used. [...] > > Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest > > of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text > > LibreOffice and a subline? > > We actually re-used the TDF symbol in the icons just to drop it from the > logo? Maybe I didn't explain it correctly - only if we don't manage to include the document symbol (which I think is currently rather considered the TDF logo for the future), then we might keep it. If it looks odd (because of the visual composition), then it might be better to just keep "LibreOffice". Of course I'd love to promote it (unmodified), but if there are major drawbacks, we might simply live with the logo less version. I quickly drafted two versions without document symbol: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/FrjZGYlLNFCV5Knc3o-OXQ?feat=directlink [...] > PS: If the logo is considered to be too distinct from the present logo, > we should add it (together with Nik's proposals) to the wiki in order to > not forget it until we start the Community Branding. Of course! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Christoph, all, ... once more even important mails need to wait for reply... Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes concerning the logo already address some parts of the community branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens, lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful concerning any change at the moment. I might be totally wrong, but what I understood when talking to Charles and other SC members was, that they want to provide a different logo without the TDF subline to be used in external references to the LibreOffice product and community. I don't know about a final decision with regards to the license of this "external use logo", but as it might be different from the present logo license I thought a slightly different logo could help. The logos are similar enough to recognize them as belonging together, while the modified symbol allows a differentiation to the TDF symbol. I know that people already created some material based on the logo with TDF subline. This logo should no longer be used for external references (if I understood Charles right) - so many of these items might not be appropriate for a longer time, if they contain the TDF subline. But if the SC decides just to remove the TDF subline from the logo, the modified logo ideas will become relevant, when we start discussing the Community Branding. Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text LibreOffice and a subline? We actually re-used the TDF symbol in the icons just to drop it from the logo? I'd like to promote this symbol in external resources too. The Branding Guidelines already allow to use the text and the symbol independently, so this would not be any problem even with the present graphics. If we add new sublines, which sublines and at which position (and distance to the text), we need to discuss with the marketing team, I think. If we need something "neat", why not play with the triangle that may be added somewhere - it can also be considered to be a (current) key visual. Of course we can use the triangle as an additional branding element, but I would not replace the document symbol... Best regards Bernhard PS: If the logo is considered to be too distinct from the present logo, we should add it (together with Nik's proposals) to the wiki in order to not forget it until we start the Community Branding. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
Hi Jeff, Drew, all, drew schrieb: [...] Here are the updated files: first with the contemporary logo design http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in_contemp.pdf [change pdf to svg again to get source files] With the non-contemporary logo, as last night http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in.pdf Both have been adjusted to conform to the white space requirements. Thank you very much! Now they fit with the Branding Guidelines. One more nit-picking - please ignore it if you don't want to modify the banner once more: While the normal banner is symmetric, the contemporary has a broader border at the left side, leading to a slightly asymmetric impression. I don't know if this difference stems from the size of the filters (invisible, but taken into account on centering), but you could avoid this by keeping the pink background to the logo until the very end of rescaling and adding the bleed border before it is removed or turned to invisible. I suppose go with the contemporary design, just use your judgment when you view it in the preview screen on the printers site - if it doesn't look right to you switch to the other. +1 Thanks for handling this, Thanks to you too! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:04 AM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 21:54 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, drew wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 20:08 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > > On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > > >> On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > > > > >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Do you still want the large banner? > > > > >> > > > > >> If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions > > > > >> 71.80" x 30.20" > > > > >> 1824mm x 767mm > > > > >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > > > > > > > > > YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) > > > > > > > > VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was > 5'. > > > > However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. > > > > > > > > > - give me a few minutes. > > > > > > > > No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. > > > > > > > > > I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the > > > > > photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it > looks > > > > > like it uses the one in the file you have. > > > > > > > > Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. > > > > > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_72inx30in.pdf > > > > > > same deal, the svg is along side just change the descriptor. > > > > > > > The image is just a bit too wide. The edge of the "e" in "office" and the > > right edge of the "n" in "foundation" are in the trim margin. That means > > they'll be cut during the trimming process. > > > > I'm guessing that the image is 3mm too wide. Can you adjust it? > > Ok - sorry, I wondered off to bed last night. > > Here are the updated files: > > first with the contemporary logo design > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in_contemp.pdf > > [change pdf to svg again to get source files] > > With the non-contemporary logo, as last night > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in.pdf > > > Both have been adjusted to conform to the white space requirements. > > I suppose go with the contemporary design, just use your judgment when > you view it in the preview screen on the printers site - if it doesn't > look right to you switch to the other. > > Thanks for handling this, > > Drew > > For the the 72x30, the local printer wants $72 on 13 oz vinyl. VistaPrint is $20.99, 10 oz vinyl + $11.20 7 day shipping The small banner is free + $11.20 7 day shipping -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 21:54 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, drew wrote: > > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 20:08 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > >> On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > > > >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Do you still want the large banner? > > > >> > > > >> If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions > > > >> 71.80" x 30.20" > > > >> 1824mm x 767mm > > > >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > > > > > > > YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) > > > > > > VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was 5'. > > > However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. > > > > > > > - give me a few minutes. > > > > > > No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. > > > > > > > I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the > > > > photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks > > > > like it uses the one in the file you have. > > > > > > Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. > > > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_72inx30in.pdf > > > > same deal, the svg is along side just change the descriptor. > > > > The image is just a bit too wide. The edge of the "e" in "office" and the > right edge of the "n" in "foundation" are in the trim margin. That means > they'll be cut during the trimming process. > > I'm guessing that the image is 3mm too wide. Can you adjust it? Ok - sorry, I wondered off to bed last night. Here are the updated files: first with the contemporary logo design http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in_contemp.pdf [change pdf to svg again to get source files] With the non-contemporary logo, as last night http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in.pdf Both have been adjusted to conform to the white space requirements. I suppose go with the contemporary design, just use your judgment when you view it in the preview screen on the printers site - if it doesn't look right to you switch to the other. Thanks for handling this, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:22 PM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 20:08 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: > > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > >> On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > > >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > >> > > >> Do you still want the large banner? > > >> > > >> If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions > > >> 71.80" x 30.20" > > >> 1824mm x 767mm > > >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > > > > > YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) > > > > VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was 5'. > > However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. > > > > > - give me a few minutes. > > > > No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. > > > > > I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the > > > photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks > > > like it uses the one in the file you have. > > > > Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_72inx30in.pdf > > same deal, the svg is along side just change the descriptor. > The image is just a bit too wide. The edge of the "e" in "office" and the right edge of the "n" in "foundation" are in the trim margin. That means they'll be cut during the trimming process. I'm guessing that the image is 3mm too wide. Can you adjust it? I'm going to check the small banner now. Cheers,. jec -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On 02/07/2011 08:22 PM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 20:08 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: >> On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: Do you still want the large banner? If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions 71.80" x 30.20" 1824mm x 767mm 5385 x 2265 pixels >>> >>> YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) >> >> VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was 5'. >> However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. >> >>> - give me a few minutes. >> >> No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. >> >>> I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the >>> photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks >>> like it uses the one in the file you have. >> >> Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_72inx30in.pdf > > same deal, the svg is along side just change the descriptor. Looks good. I'll get the banners ordered. Thanks, jec -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 20:08 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > >> On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > >> > >> Do you still want the large banner? > >> > >> If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions > >> 71.80" x 30.20" > >> 1824mm x 767mm > >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > > > YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) > > VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was 5'. > However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. > > > - give me a few minutes. > > No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. > > > I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the > > photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks > > like it uses the one in the file you have. > > Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_72inx30in.pdf same deal, the svg is along side just change the descriptor. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On 02/07/2011 08:05 PM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: >> On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: >>> On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you > intend to do? Thanks, Christoph Here's the relevant thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html >>> >>> Hi Jeff, >>> >>> Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner >>> >>> http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf >>> >>> >>> //drew >> >> HI Drew: >> >> Do you still want the large banner? >> >> If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions >> 71.80" x 30.20" >> 1824mm x 767mm >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) VistaPrint only does fixed sizes. You were right: originally it was 5'. However, that's not possible with VistaPrint. > - give me a few minutes. No problem. I have plenty to do this evening. > I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the > photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks > like it uses the one in the file you have. Good. I'm glad you're tracking that. > Also I see they went much closer to edges then I did, I'll do that also, > which will raise the height, which is a good thing. Agreed. > BRB Standing by. How do we make sure that Bernhard is in the loop? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Banner ( was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line )
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 19:50 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > >> On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > >>> Hi Jeff, > >>> > >>> yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you > >>> intend to do? > >> > >> Thanks, Christoph > >> > >> Here's the relevant thread: > >> > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html > >> > > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner > > > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf > > > > > > //drew > > HI Drew: > > Do you still want the large banner? > > If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions > 71.80" x 30.20" > 1824mm x 767mm > 5385 x 2265 pixels YES (ah somehow I thought you where going with 5' not 6.) - give me a few minutes. I could produce one with the contemporary logo, but looking at the photos from FOSDEM it does not look like the banner uses it, it looks like it uses the one in the file you have. Also I see they went much closer to edges then I did, I'll do that also, which will raise the height, which is a good thing. BRB > > The image you sent will work for the small banner. It's free, and has > the following dimensions: > 35.70" x 20.20" > 907mm x 513mm > 2678 x 1515 pixels > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On 02/07/2011 04:59 PM, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: >> On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, >>> >>> yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you >>> intend to do? >> >> Thanks, Christoph >> >> Here's the relevant thread: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html >> > > Hi Jeff, > > Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf > > > //drew HI Drew: Do you still want the large banner? If so, we'll need an image that has the following dimensions 71.80" x 30.20" 1824mm x 767mm 5385 x 2265 pixels The image you sent will work for the small banner. It's free, and has the following dimensions: 35.70" x 20.20" 907mm x 513mm 2678 x 1515 pixels -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On 02/07/2011 05:24 PM, drew wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jeff, >>> >>> Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner >>> >>> http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf >>> >> >> and here is 35 x 20 >> >> http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_35inx20in.pdf >> >> Both files are set for 75 dpi >> > > Sorry for one more mail on this: > > - you can find the svg files in the same location just change the file > descriptor. > > Just export to pdf from inkscape if you need to make a change. > > [I did make one last change to each so check that you clear you cache > before grabbing the pdf files] > > Drew OK I'll look at them now. Bernhard: are you following this thread? -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
> > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner > > > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf > > > > and here is 35 x 20 > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_35inx20in.pdf > > Both files are set for 75 dpi > Sorry for one more mail on this: - you can find the svg files in the same location just change the file descriptor. Just export to pdf from inkscape if you need to make a change. [I did make one last change to each so check that you clear you cache before grabbing the pdf files] Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 18:59 -0500, drew wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > > On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > > > Hi Jeff, > > > > > > yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you > > > intend to do? > > > > Thanks, Christoph > > > > Here's the relevant thread: > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html > > > > Hi Jeff, > > Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner > > http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf > and here is 35 x 20 http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_35inx20in.pdf Both files are set for 75 dpi Thanks -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Mon, 2011-02-07 at 15:52 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote: > On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Hi Jeff, > > > > yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you > > intend to do? > > Thanks, Christoph > > Here's the relevant thread: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html > Hi Jeff, Here is a pdf file that should work for the 5' x 2.5' banner http://oucv.org/libreoffice/banner_60inx30in.pdf //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On 02/07/2011 03:48 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you > intend to do? Thanks, Christoph Here's the relevant thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00747.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Jeff, yes, all the material is available. Just being curious, what do you intend to do? Here you go: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Work_Items Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 15:14 -0700 schrieb Jeff Chimene: > On 02/07/2011 02:40 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I totally forgot to mention ... The LibO banners Cor brought to the > > FOSDEM were based on our installer images and just looked *amazing* - so > > although we talk about some issues, the quality was just great. There > > was even a person who came and asked to get one of those "simple > > printouts" after the FOSDEM. > > Hi: > > Are those installer images available on the wiki? > > Thanks, > jec > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On 02/07/2011 02:40 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi all, > > I totally forgot to mention ... The LibO banners Cor brought to the > FOSDEM were based on our installer images and just looked *amazing* - so > although we talk about some issues, the quality was just great. There > was even a person who came and asked to get one of those "simple > printouts" after the FOSDEM. Hi: Are those installer images available on the wiki? Thanks, jec -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi all, I totally forgot to mention ... The LibO banners Cor brought to the FOSDEM were based on our installer images and just looked *amazing* - so although we talk about some issues, the quality was just great. There was even a person who came and asked to get one of those "simple printouts" after the FOSDEM. Moreover, I got some feedback by one core developer who really liked the clean design of the current splash screen :-) Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 22:34 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: > Hi Bernhard, > > I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes > concerning the logo already address some parts of the community > branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I > fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a > lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens, > lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and > press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful > concerning any change at the moment. > > Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest > of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text > LibreOffice and a subline? If we need something "neat", why not play > with the triangle that may be added somewhere - it can also be > considered to be a (current) key visual. > > What do you think? > > Cheers, > Christoph > > Am Sonntag, den 06.02.2011, 13:44 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > > Hi Nik, all, > > > > here my ideas: > > > > Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: > > > Hi Nik, all, > > > > > > sorry for not replying earlier, but... > > > > > > Nik wrote: > > >> [...] > > >> > > >> If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really > > >> improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05) > > >> *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg* > > >> - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon: > > >> for continuation. > > > > > > Good idea - even if I don't think we should do the same with the "b2" > > > as in R06. > > > > > > I've already tried to reduce the distance between symbol and "L" even > > > more by extending the green corner to the "L" - not really a valid idea, > > > but you might get what I mean, when I'll upload the draft tomorrow > > > (today only mail access). > > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Logo_idea.png > > > > Still with the darker grey, no consistency in borders, distance between > > symbol and corner still to be improved and many other things... > > > > I'd like to see the symbol as integrated part of the logo - and with > > less difference in height between symbol and text, allowing the text to > > be readable in smaller scales too. > > > > I prefer b) very much over a), because the corner becomes too large and > > I like optical illusion (negative visualization of the upper part of the > > "L"), but I wanted to show you both. > > > > Best regards > > > > Bernhard > > > > > > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard, I'm sorry to appear a bit disruptive, but I think that the changes concerning the logo already address some parts of the community branding. Although I'm happy if we can further refine our branding, I fear that such changes lead to a bit confusion ... I've already seen a lot of Material created for the trade fairs (shirts, banner, pens, lanyards, ...) being affected of such changes. Moreover, blogger and press already use the given material ... so I am a bit doubtful concerning any change at the moment. Thus, if there are issues to combine the document symbol with the rest of the graphic items, would it be helpful to just foucs on the text LibreOffice and a subline? If we need something "neat", why not play with the triangle that may be added somewhere - it can also be considered to be a (current) key visual. What do you think? Cheers, Christoph Am Sonntag, den 06.02.2011, 13:44 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Hi Nik, all, > > here my ideas: > > Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: > > Hi Nik, all, > > > > sorry for not replying earlier, but... > > > > Nik wrote: > >> [...] > >> > >> If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really > >> improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05) > >> *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg* > >> - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon: > >> for continuation. > > > > Good idea - even if I don't think we should do the same with the "b2" > > as in R06. > > > > I've already tried to reduce the distance between symbol and "L" even > > more by extending the green corner to the "L" - not really a valid idea, > > but you might get what I mean, when I'll upload the draft tomorrow > > (today only mail access). > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Logo_idea.png > > Still with the darker grey, no consistency in borders, distance between > symbol and corner still to be improved and many other things... > > I'd like to see the symbol as integrated part of the logo - and with > less difference in height between symbol and text, allowing the text to > be readable in smaller scales too. > > I prefer b) very much over a), because the corner becomes too large and > I like optical illusion (negative visualization of the upper part of the > "L"), but I wanted to show you both. > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Nik, all, here my ideas: Dr. Bernhard Dippold schrieb: Hi Nik, all, sorry for not replying earlier, but... Nik wrote: [...] If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05) *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg* - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon: for continuation. Good idea - even if I don't think we should do the same with the "b2" as in R06. I've already tried to reduce the distance between symbol and "L" even more by extending the green corner to the "L" - not really a valid idea, but you might get what I mean, when I'll upload the draft tomorrow (today only mail access). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibO_Logo_idea.png Still with the darker grey, no consistency in borders, distance between symbol and corner still to be improved and many other things... I'd like to see the symbol as integrated part of the logo - and with less difference in height between symbol and text, allowing the text to be readable in smaller scales too. I prefer b) very much over a), because the corner becomes too large and I like optical illusion (negative visualization of the upper part of the "L"), but I wanted to show you both. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Nik, all,
sorry for not replying earlier, but...
Nik wrote:
> [... skipping the short version - too much to reply inline...
>
> Hi Bernhard!
> I know I told you I'd be busy with my research but you keep raising
> interesting topics that lure me back! =)
Should I say I'm sorry? Only if this activities here reduce the quality of
your main work, your private life, your sleep quality or any other more
important task. ;-)
OK - I'm very glad that you're here! :-)
> Besides, some /*very*/ important stuff is being decided right now, that
> if I miss out on, I know it will never get changed again.
> That is the way of Open-Source huh? like a big machine on rails that can
> only go forward, not back =)
Of course it can - but it cost's nearly as much as in the corporate world.
(Sometimes money, but more credibility, consistency and fun...)
>
> On 1/31/2011 9:12 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> > Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the
> > Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo of
> > LibreOffice for external use?
> >
> > Comments? Critics? Improvements?
> >
> If the possibility of /small/ changes are possible to the logo in this
> context, can we take this opportunity to address some if its shortcomings?
I didn't talk to the Steering Committee on this question, but I think we can.
> [...] It wouldn't entail major changes, but the longer we trudge on with an
> "interim logo", the more certain I become that it will remain the *only*
> logo tried.
At least for some time.
The point is that some people want to use a logo for representing
LibreOffice outside the community now. So we are restricted in time,
but not as much to avoid any discussion on improvement.
We just shouldn't need more than one or wo weeks to come to a final
version.
>
> [...]
> R03 is what I would recommend, I think the gap could decrease and
> because the letter L has a good "corner" effect, it perfectly juxtaposes
> the icon when aligned.
> This way, the entire arrangement would look like one visual "block"
> which is what you want; White space /around/ the logo, rather than
> /between/.
I support this standing - we don't need as much space between the parts
of the logo.
> [...]
>
> If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really
> improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05)
> *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg*
> - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon:
> for continuation.
Good idea - even if I don't think we should do the same with the "b2"
as in R06.
I've already tried to reduce the distance between symbol and "L" even
more by extending the green corner to the "L" - not really a valid idea,
but you might get what I mean, when I'll upload the draft tomorrow
(today only mail access).
> - Lighten the colours to mid-grey instead of dark-grey, this will still
> print well and compliments the green better.
The lighter grey looks more friendly, but there are some drawbacks,
we need to keep in mind:
1. Reproduction of grey tones are problematic on prints, the lighter
the color is, the more differ prints on different printers.
2. Contrast to the background will be reduced, thus leading to a even
more restrictive Branding Guideline ("keep the white background of
the logo").
I think the positive aspects of the lighter grey are more important - I
just wanted to mention.
Your green gradient introduces a new green tone different from the
existing green branding colors (I didn't compare - it's just my
impression).
Especially with the next point this becomes important:
> - Colour the "broken corner" of the paper icon to create a focal point
> that leads the eye through the logo
I like the colored corner. It integrates the symbol with the text and
adds a visible distinction from the TDF symbol by keeping it's
relationship.
But with your new gradient the general impression of the green
moves towards yellow.
I would like to avoid modifying the Initial Branding Colors before we
work on the Community Branding.
>
> I'm not sure giving the members "logos" is the entire solution because
> it just creates many logo variations.
> I think creating "badges" for community members with a non-TDF logo
> /attached/ will send the right message without diluting the brand.
I don't mind if they are "logos" or "logos with badges".
But we are on the same side: Being allowed to use a visible reference
proving that someone belongs to an LibO Team is a positive motivation.
> Because it suggests affiliation without suggesting ownership.
> I think Charles mentioned this in an Email to the Design list (I've
> CC'ed him), I was really excited by the prospect of making team badges,
> but because I'm short on time, I've only got roughs (plenty of
> glitches). I thought the topic could wait, but these are related things.
I still think that they have some more time. Before anybody can use
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Nik, I skipped the text, just seeing the images ('cause my time is
ending), but I need to say: Great! Great work, mainly in the LibOlogo
reconfigs04.jpg. I like the way you did them! :D Very clear and beautiful.
I'll be back later with more comments.
On 02-02-2011 12:04, Nik wrote:
Note to all: long email, you may want to skip it and just check out
these if you have time;
* http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg
* http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg
* http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg
* http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg
* http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg
Hi Bernhard!
I know I told you I'd be busy with my research but you keep raising
interesting topics that lure me back! =)
Besides, some /*very*/ important stuff is being decided right now,
that if I miss out on, I know it will never get changed again.
That is the way of Open-Source huh? like a big machine on rails that
can only go forward, not back =)
On 1/31/2011 9:12 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the
Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo
of LibreOffice for external use?
Comments? Critics? Improvements?
If the possibility of /small/ changes are possible to the logo in this
context, can we take this opportunity to address some if its
shortcomings?
I mean it is the *one symbol* that represents this WHOLE community and
project.
It wouldn't entail major changes, but the longer we trudge on with an
"interim logo", the more certain I become that it will remain the
*only* logo tried.
I won't write a million words like I usually do, just a thousand =)
... I'll try and explain in designs instead;
I've uploaded a deconstruction of the TDF-less logos here;
*http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg*
R01 was the centered original logo, R02 is what I think David was
suggesting (*bottom* aligned as /well/ as right-aligned).
But even with R02, the space between the icon and the text creates a
"void" and looks separated.
R03 is what I would recommend, I think the gap could decrease and
because the letter L has a good "corner" effect, it perfectly
juxtaposes the icon when aligned.
This way, the entire arrangement would look like one visual "block"
which is what you want; White space /around/ the logo, rather than
/between/.
This image shows how the spacing may be causing the element to look
"disconnected";
*http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg*
If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really
improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05)
*http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg*
- Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon:
for continuation.
- Lighten the colours to mid-grey instead of dark-grey, this will
still print well and compliments the green better.
- Colour the "broken corner" of the paper icon to create a focal point
that leads the eye through the logo
I'm not sure giving the members "logos" is the entire solution because
it just creates many logo variations.
I think creating "badges" for community members with a non-TDF logo
/attached/ will send the right message without diluting the brand.
Because it suggests affiliation without suggesting ownership.
I think Charles mentioned this in an Email to the Design list (I've
CC'ed him), I was really excited by the prospect of making team badges,
but because I'm short on time, I've only got roughs (plenty of
glitches). I thought the topic could wait, but these are related things.
I thought we could create "shields" or "emblems" for our community.
R07 shows "members" and "distributors" roughs only;
*http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg*
And they could be arranged in something like this way (R08);
*http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg*
This way it is not a logo, it is more like signage.
Right about now, you're probably hoping you hadn't asked for feedback
right? I'm sorry =) ...
But let me know what you think, these are all embedded in my page now
anyway;
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik
I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, but I think it's necessary to
discuss and plan for this.
Most people will see our logo before they even try the software. We
might lose them before we even shake their hand.
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Okay, sorry if this reiterates anything we've said, but If anything, I would purely just drop it from the logo entirely. If a mentioning of TDF is required in artwork (like the splash screen), it could easily be thrown in the corner or something. I feel TDF needs to be branded as the people/vendor behind LibreOffice, not as the slogan of LibreOffice. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Nik wrote: > Note to all: long email, you may want to skip it and just check out these > if you have time; > > * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg > * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg > * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg > * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg > * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg > > > Hi Bernhard! > I know I told you I'd be busy with my research but you keep raising > interesting topics that lure me back! =) > Besides, some /*very*/ important stuff is being decided right now, that if > I miss out on, I know it will never get changed again. > That is the way of Open-Source huh? like a big machine on rails that can > only go forward, not back =) > > > On 1/31/2011 9:12 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >> Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the >> Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo of >> LibreOffice for external use? >> >> Comments? Critics? Improvements? >> >> If the possibility of /small/ changes are possible to the logo in this > context, can we take this opportunity to address some if its shortcomings? > I mean it is the *one symbol* that represents this WHOLE community and > project. > It wouldn't entail major changes, but the longer we trudge on with an > "interim logo", the more certain I become that it will remain the *only* > logo tried. > > I won't write a million words like I usually do, just a thousand =) ... > I'll try and explain in designs instead; > I've uploaded a deconstruction of the TDF-less logos here; > *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg* > R01 was the centered original logo, R02 is what I think David was > suggesting (*bottom* aligned as /well/ as right-aligned). > But even with R02, the space between the icon and the text creates a "void" > and looks separated. > R03 is what I would recommend, I think the gap could decrease and because > the letter L has a good "corner" effect, it perfectly juxtaposes the icon > when aligned. > This way, the entire arrangement would look like one visual "block" which > is what you want; White space /around/ the logo, rather than /between/. > > This image shows how the spacing may be causing the element to look > "disconnected"; > *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg* > > If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really improve > the look of the current logo; (refer to R05) > *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg* > - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon: for > continuation. > - Lighten the colours to mid-grey instead of dark-grey, this will still > print well and compliments the green better. > - Colour the "broken corner" of the paper icon to create a focal point that > leads the eye through the logo > > I'm not sure giving the members "logos" is the entire solution because it > just creates many logo variations. > I think creating "badges" for community members with a non-TDF logo > /attached/ will send the right message without diluting the brand. > Because it suggests affiliation without suggesting ownership. > I think Charles mentioned this in an Email to the Design list (I've CC'ed > him), I was really excited by the prospect of making team badges, > but because I'm short on time, I've only got roughs (plenty of glitches). I > thought the topic could wait, but these are related things. > > I thought we could create "shields" or "emblems" for our community. R07 > shows "members" and "distributors" roughs only; > *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg* > > And they could be arranged in something like this way (R08); > *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg* > This way it is not a logo, it is more like signage. > > Right about now, you're probably hoping you hadn't asked for feedback > right? I'm sorry =) ... > But let me know what you think, these are all embedded in my page now > anyway; > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik > > I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, but I think it's necessary to discuss > and plan for this. > Most people will see our logo before they even try the software. We might > lose them before we even shake their hand. > > -Nik > > > > > > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are pu
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Note to all: long email, you may want to skip it and just check out these if you have time; * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg * http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg Hi Bernhard! I know I told you I'd be busy with my research but you keep raising interesting topics that lure me back! =) Besides, some /*very*/ important stuff is being decided right now, that if I miss out on, I know it will never get changed again. That is the way of Open-Source huh? like a big machine on rails that can only go forward, not back =) On 1/31/2011 9:12 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo of LibreOffice for external use? Comments? Critics? Improvements? If the possibility of /small/ changes are possible to the logo in this context, can we take this opportunity to address some if its shortcomings? I mean it is the *one symbol* that represents this WHOLE community and project. It wouldn't entail major changes, but the longer we trudge on with an "interim logo", the more certain I become that it will remain the *only* logo tried. I won't write a million words like I usually do, just a thousand =) ... I'll try and explain in designs instead; I've uploaded a deconstruction of the TDF-less logos here; *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs01.jpg* R01 was the centered original logo, R02 is what I think David was suggesting (*bottom* aligned as /well/ as right-aligned). But even with R02, the space between the icon and the text creates a "void" and looks separated. R03 is what I would recommend, I think the gap could decrease and because the letter L has a good "corner" effect, it perfectly juxtaposes the icon when aligned. This way, the entire arrangement would look like one visual "block" which is what you want; White space /around/ the logo, rather than /between/. This image shows how the spacing may be causing the element to look "disconnected"; *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs02.jpg* If we were feeling adventurous, I think small changes could really improve the look of the current logo; (refer to R05) *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs03.jpg* - Clip the L so it is cut by the same gap which slices the paper icon: for continuation. - Lighten the colours to mid-grey instead of dark-grey, this will still print well and compliments the green better. - Colour the "broken corner" of the paper icon to create a focal point that leads the eye through the logo I'm not sure giving the members "logos" is the entire solution because it just creates many logo variations. I think creating "badges" for community members with a non-TDF logo /attached/ will send the right message without diluting the brand. Because it suggests affiliation without suggesting ownership. I think Charles mentioned this in an Email to the Design list (I've CC'ed him), I was really excited by the prospect of making team badges, but because I'm short on time, I've only got roughs (plenty of glitches). I thought the topic could wait, but these are related things. I thought we could create "shields" or "emblems" for our community. R07 shows "members" and "distributors" roughs only; *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs04.jpg* And they could be arranged in something like this way (R08); *http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibOlogo_reconfigs05.jpg* This way it is not a logo, it is more like signage. Right about now, you're probably hoping you hadn't asked for feedback right? I'm sorry =) ... But let me know what you think, these are all embedded in my page now anyway; http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Nik I'm sorry I keep bringing this up, but I think it's necessary to discuss and plan for this. Most people will see our logo before they even try the software. We might lose them before we even shake their hand. -Nik -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 23:13 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Bernhard, hi all! > > Thanks a lot (!) for caring about these icons :-) > > Am Montag, den 31.01.2011, 23:17 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > > David Nelson schrieb: > > > The text underneath "LibreOffice" extends beyond the word > > > "LibreOffice" on the right. It doesn't look well-aligned to me. Could > > > you shift it leftwards maybe? > > [...] > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos_right_aligned.png > > (without the white space border indication by a colored background) > > > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png > > > > All: Which version do you like better? > > Since it is very hard to balance all these objects (and you already did > a very good job), I'd like to propose to keep only the text. In this > case the "right aligned" versions, right side (the lower ones) look best > - in my opinion. > > My reasons: > * It already conveys the important message "LibreOffice" > * It looks a bit more balanced and it might be more versatile > * In the past, the Document Symbol had been considered (by people > in the community) to belong to TDF instead of LibreOffice - if > we start the Community Branding Process, we might keep it for > TDF > > Of course, I'll miss the document symbol ... for other reasons. Hello Christoph, Actually please leave the icon, so that the person using the community logo can make the call of whether text only makes sense for a given usage - which I would propose is most likely to be only when needing to go small. When it fits, inclusion of the icon, IMO, makes for a better overall logo. There is not a great deal of time pressure to coming up with a TDF icon graphic is there? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi, :-) On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 06:17, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos_right_aligned.png > (without the white space border indication by a colored background) These are the ones I prefer, personally. David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
I'm having some trouble with the tag line. if we want to add something like this it looks to me like randomly put together. mike Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 01.02.2011 um 23:13 schrieb Christoph Noack : > Hi Bernhard, hi all! > > Thanks a lot (!) for caring about these icons :-) > > Am Montag, den 31.01.2011, 23:17 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: >> David Nelson schrieb: >>> The text underneath "LibreOffice" extends beyond the word >>> "LibreOffice" on the right. It doesn't look well-aligned to me. Could >>> you shift it leftwards maybe? > > [...] > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos_right_aligned.png >> (without the white space border indication by a colored background) >> >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png >> >> All: Which version do you like better? > > Since it is very hard to balance all these objects (and you already did > a very good job), I'd like to propose to keep only the text. In this > case the "right aligned" versions, right side (the lower ones) look best > - in my opinion. > > My reasons: > * It already conveys the important message "LibreOffice" > * It looks a bit more balanced and it might be more versatile > * In the past, the Document Symbol had been considered (by people >in the community) to belong to TDF instead of LibreOffice - if >we start the Community Branding Process, we might keep it for >TDF > > Of course, I'll miss the document symbol ... for other reasons. > > Just a question - did anybody propose the text below the logo? I don't > know, but a short "Community" (resized) might look attractive as well, > and is rather neutral. > >> What should we propose the SC to declare as official? > > Up to you, Bernhard. Thanks for your excellent work! > > Cheers, > Christoph > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard, hi all! Thanks a lot (!) for caring about these icons :-) Am Montag, den 31.01.2011, 23:17 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > David Nelson schrieb: > > The text underneath "LibreOffice" extends beyond the word > > "LibreOffice" on the right. It doesn't look well-aligned to me. Could > > you shift it leftwards maybe? [...] > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos_right_aligned.png > (without the white space border indication by a colored background) > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png > > All: Which version do you like better? Since it is very hard to balance all these objects (and you already did a very good job), I'd like to propose to keep only the text. In this case the "right aligned" versions, right side (the lower ones) look best - in my opinion. My reasons: * It already conveys the important message "LibreOffice" * It looks a bit more balanced and it might be more versatile * In the past, the Document Symbol had been considered (by people in the community) to belong to TDF instead of LibreOffice - if we start the Community Branding Process, we might keep it for TDF Of course, I'll miss the document symbol ... for other reasons. Just a question - did anybody propose the text below the logo? I don't know, but a short "Community" (resized) might look attractive as well, and is rather neutral. > What should we propose the SC to declare as official? Up to you, Bernhard. Thanks for your excellent work! Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi David, David Nelson schrieb: Hi Bernhard, :-) The text underneath "LibreOffice" extends beyond the word "LibreOffice" on the right. It doesn't look well-aligned to me. Could you shift it leftwards maybe? I tried this at the beginning, but didn't like the aligned versions very well. They look very static and less vivid IMHO. I created them nevertheless and uploaded the file to the wiki, so you can compare: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos_right_aligned.png (without the white space border indication by a colored background) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png All: Which version do you like better? What should we propose the SC to declare as official? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Drew, all drew schrieb: On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 00:41 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] I think we'll allow usage of the word alone (as it is already mentioned in the Branding Guidelines) and provide such logos too. But I think we have to keep enough white space around the text to keep it distinct from the surrounding. Do you think this is enough? IMO yes. On white space generally- I've never had a problem with the white space requirements, IMO often more then the required amount makes a better overall look anyway. Right ;-) The only _problem_ I've had with the logo is due to the width overall, and then only when forced into a small size overall. That however is tough to avoid when the design is text based, and dropping 'The Document Foundation' line goes a long way towards mitigating that issue. We will still have a minimum size for the logo, meaning that it will not be able to be placed in very small items. This reminds me to think about a minimum size for the logos - I'll start a new thread for this topic... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Bernhard, :-) The text underneath "LibreOffice" extends beyond the word "LibreOffice" on the right. It doesn't look well-aligned to me. Could you shift it leftwards maybe? 2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 00:41 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Drew, * > > drew schrieb: > > On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 23:12 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the > >> subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png > >> > > > > One comment - request. > > > > If there is to be a 'can't change' license then it would by very nice to > > have one with only the word LibreOffice, particularly for the community > > supporter logo as the addition of the application icon, IMO, adds to > > much width to the overall look. > > I think we'll allow usage of the word alone (as it is already mentioned > in the Branding Guidelines) and provide such logos too. > > But I think we have to keep enough white space around the text to keep > it distinct from the surrounding. > > Do you think this is enough? IMO yes. On white space generally- I've never had a problem with the white space requirements, IMO often more then the required amount makes a better overall look anyway. The only _problem_ I've had with the logo is due to the width overall, and then only when forced into a small size overall. That however is tough to avoid when the design is text based, and dropping 'The Document Foundation' line goes a long way towards mitigating that issue. Thanks for putting this together, Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Drew, * drew schrieb: On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 23:12 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png One comment - request. If there is to be a 'can't change' license then it would by very nice to have one with only the word LibreOffice, particularly for the community supporter logo as the addition of the application icon, IMO, adds to much width to the overall look. I think we'll allow usage of the word alone (as it is already mentioned in the Branding Guidelines) and provide such logos too. But I think we have to keep enough white space around the text to keep it distinct from the surrounding. Do you think this is enough? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
So it's either LibreOffice or OpenOffice.org? That's disappointing, but thanks for the clarification. > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 00:10:52 +0100 > From: bernh...@familie-dippold.at > To: design@libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line > > Hi Mark, all, > > Mark Curtis schrieb: > > > > So does this mean LibreOffice is the official name and not a > > temporary one like was originally stated? > > > > Since Oracle declined to donate the OpenOffice.org trademark, we go with > this name as official name. > > We're still open for any kind of cooperation, but I don't think that > - even if we would get the trademark in the near future - we give up our > new name that becomes more and more known in public and covers another > important part of our mission: Freedom instead of Openness. > > But as this "if" is so unlikely at the moment, we don't have to discuss > this option at all. If they approach TDF one day, this discussion can > start then... > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 23:12 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi all, > > based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the > subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png > One comment - request. If there is to be a 'can't change' license then it would by very nice to have one with only the word LibreOffice, particularly for the community supporter logo as the addition of the application icon, IMO, adds to much width to the overall look. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 23:12 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi all, > > based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the > subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png Hola Bernhard, They are quite nice. //drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Mark, all, Mark Curtis schrieb: So does this mean LibreOffice is the official name and not a temporary one like was originally stated? Since Oracle declined to donate the OpenOffice.org trademark, we go with this name as official name. We're still open for any kind of cooperation, but I don't think that - even if we would get the trademark in the near future - we give up our new name that becomes more and more known in public and covers another important part of our mission: Freedom instead of Openness. But as this "if" is so unlikely at the moment, we don't have to discuss this option at all. If they approach TDF one day, this discussion can start then... Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
Hi Andy, * Andy Brown schrieb: On Sun Jan 30 2011 14:12:26 GMT-0800 (PST) Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png [...] +1 Only question, when would the individual logos be available? I hope, very soon :-) They need approval by the SC, we'll have to find the right license for them (probably an open source license for unchanged use) and have the trademark policy close to final for proper use. Perhaps some of the logos need some preconditions to use them (approval by the Membership Committee for official community members, something similar for community distributors and so on), so I can't tell you exactly when these logos will be available for use. But this topic will probably be discussed by the SC in one of their next meetings (therefore CC'd the SC list), so this should not take too long. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
So does this mean LibreOffice is the official name and not a temporary one like was originally stated? > Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 23:12:26 +0100 > From: bernh...@familie-dippold.at > To: design@libreoffice.org > Subject: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line > > Hi all, > > based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the > subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png > > Such a logo should be used for community members, supporters, > distributors and so on to avoid the impression of being an official > spokesperson for the community or the foundation. > > I replaced the TDF symbol by the main application icon (with Paulo's > shadings) and added a smaller subline that ends in every case at the > same position, but can be replaced in the SVG source quite easily. > > Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the > Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo of > LibreOffice for external use? > > Comments? Critics? Improvements? > > Best regards > > Bernhard > > PS: I uploaded the source file with the same address, just ending on ".svg" > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ > *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Logo proposal without TDF line
On Sun Jan 30 2011 14:12:26 GMT-0800 (PST) Bernhard Dippold wrote: Hi all, based on a SC decision to provide logos for external use without the subline "The Document Foundation" I created a proposal: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Non-TDF_logos.png Such a logo should be used for community members, supporters, distributors and so on to avoid the impression of being an official spokesperson for the community or the foundation. I replaced the TDF symbol by the main application icon (with Paulo's shadings) and added a smaller subline that ends in every case at the same position, but can be replaced in the SVG source quite easily. Do you think we can present this logo (or something similar) to the Steering Committee as our Design Team proposal for an official logo of LibreOffice for external use? Comments? Critics? Improvements? Best regards Bernhard PS: I uploaded the source file with the same address, just ending on ".svg" +1 Only question, when would the individual logos be available? Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
