[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Many thanks. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Closing bugs fixed in 1.7.55. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
** Changed in: wine Status: Unknown => Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Closing this bug was probably a bit rushed, to quote Andrews comment on wine-devel: """After those five, there are three more patches to implement missing critical interfaces (volume, session, and marshalling).""" I would assume the current state is not fully functional enough to actually use it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Maarten's initial patches (+ fixes by Andrew et al) are now in Wine: https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/3fe0c08992db43155677f02ec0cca423b9278f89 https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/84d1de17ebe381772880d3785af25a869205ea15 https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/6f632affa75ae27ce6a40f0c2f0cc25254400395 https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/d7eb9090b73b35b16c4bb281f13fea1ac615be70 https://source.winehq.org/git/wine.git/commitdiff/8f443077416fd820375b1bc0d1276286d23348fc remaining issues should be in new bug reports -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Thanks a lot! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Sebastian Lackner from comment #428) > Closing this bug was probably a bit rushed, to quote Andrews comment on > wine-devel: > > """After those five, there are three more patches to implement missing > critical interfaces (volume, session, and marshalling).""" > > I would assume the current state is not fully functional enough to actually > use it. Should wait to see if those additional patches are added. If they're not, then create new bugs for implementing those interfaces. This thread is already insanely long, and the primary issue (proper PulseAudio support) is now fixed upstream. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Fix Released Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
** Changed in: wine Status: Confirmed => Unknown -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Unknown Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
I use a Behringer Xenyx302 USB sound mixer as my sound device, which works great with Pulseaudio but not with Wine. I mainly use wine-staging now thanks to the built-in PulseAudio driver. I'd love to see this adopted into Wine. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
@Stefan Crackling sounds occurs in every game which I played under Wine. Of course not always. For example: Sims 3, Luxor 1, 2, 3, 4, Croc 2, Fifa 12, Bejeweled 2. I noticed that actually sounds are still playing, but much faster than they should. lspci says: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) Current packages versions: pulseaudio 4.0 libasound2 1.0.28 Pulseaudio works for me with PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 environment variable (I hope it's not a case). But never worked properly with default settings. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Deve from comment #423) @Stefan Crackling sounds occurs in every game which I played under Wine. Of course not always. For example: Sims 3, Luxor 1, 2, 3, 4, Croc 2, Fifa 12, Bejeweled 2. I noticed that actually sounds are still playing, but much faster than they should. lspci says: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 7 Series/C210 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 04) Current packages versions: pulseaudio 4.0 libasound2 1.0.28 Pulseaudio works for me with PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 environment variable (I hope it's not a case). But never worked properly with default settings. Have you tried the patch I uploaded here back in May? https://bugs.winehq.org/attachment.cgi?id=48661 I believe it vastly improves audio for PulseAudio users that are not using USB devices. I'd be interested to know if it helps you. I'm becoming convinced that the PA-ALSA plugin can't provide reliable playback when USB devices are used. There was a discussion about this back in October: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/pulseaudio- discuss/2014-October/022043.html The ALSA API just doesn't provide a way to update client applications that the buffer metrics have changed after the device was created. This occurs for USB devices with PulseAudio. USB devices used to work in PA, but their latency configuration was updated around PA 4 or 5, which caused bugs for applications that can't handle high latencies, like many Windows applications running in Wine: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66962 I plan to send the above patch to improve winealsa. I had been hoping to include a fix for USB-over-PA devices in the patch, which is why I haven't sent it yet. As I showed above, I'm not convinced it's possible to support this. The limiting factor is my time, I'm afraid. I need to test the patch, over lots of test cases (a dozen applications on each of non-USB, USB, PA non-USB, PA USB) and come to a decision on USB-over- Pulse. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
** Bug watch added: freedesktop.org Bugzilla #66962 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66962 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
We should all acknowledge that they're not gonna add pulseaudio support, due to reasons that lack any technical relevance (whatever you say, use a plugin for alsa makes any argument used along a *joke*). After all, this project belongs to AJ his crew, so we really can't do anything to force a change or a feature request. The best thing to do about it right now is to either use Maarten Lankhorst's git repository and build wine ourselves ( http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git ) or, for ubuntu/debian users to use this repository: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu- wine/+archive/ubuntu/ppa . It's sad, but it's been like this since 2007, and the best answer so far has been try this patch to our alsa driver!... I doubt anyone actually checks this bug report anymore (if any dev ever did), we'll just have to live with it, and be grateful that the Wine project is actually here, or we wouldn't be able to run Windows programs on Linux at all. Audio-wise the project is stuck in 2007 but and everyone that have any relevance with its governance is fine like this, so... Just use patches to get PA support, updating this bug report has been quite useless for 5 years now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Chris Robinson, the author of the main OpenAL implementation on Linux (openal-soft) has tried to handle Wine's audio purely with OpenAL, but ran into problems. I don't remember the details, but there are some things OpenAL does not handle, like MIDI. Please, if you have problems with PulseAudio, post the following info: Which Application are you trying to run, which sound device do you use (lspci or lsusb info), which PulseAudio version you use and the module name of the sound driver (e.g. snd-hda-intel.ko, snd-usb-audio.ko). PA is working fine for me with all Wine apps, *except* on my snd-usb- audio.ko-driven USB dongle. For the USB dongle setting default-fragments = 4 and default-fragment-size-msec in /etc/pulse/daemon.conf fixed the problem. Andrew Eikum says that PA is trying to read 50ms from a 10ms buffer Wine provides (Not sure if I remember the numbers right), which naturally causes trouble. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
From what I understand the main blocking reason for this commit is because the following works as a solution: /etc/init.d/pulseaudio stop -- Facepalm -- -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Wine developers on all places seem to say that winepulse is not needed and that alsa plugin works fine. No, it doesn't work properly. I have a problem with crackling sounds since I started to use pulseaudio (since Ubuntu 13.04 to 14.10 currently). And it's not a problem with distributions modifications as you suggest in this note: https://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?f=8t=16895. Exactly the same I have with non-modified manually compiled version. These modifications only show that problem exists. Any other native pulseaudio application in my system doesn't have such issues. Also winepulse works properly. I fixed my problem with crackling sounds by using following environment variable: PULSE_LATENCY_MSEC=60 I don't know if standard latency is higher or not, but it works fine for me. And it doesn't affect whole system, but only single application. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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SDL would work great, if wine was an emulator. I can't see how adding in another layer of abstraction would help. From what I understand the SDL portion(backend selection) is implemented as built-in dlls. Switching to SDL now causes problems with current configuration. This bug is open because a single backend for every app was never going to work. Currently I've apps that need the PA driver and apps that need alsa to PA and apps that need alsa with no PA. It's true that all apps would likely work without PA, but as my system uses SPDIF i'm dependent on PA for software mixing and for the last time dmix and SPDIF are mutually exclusive as dmix requires parts of a DAC that exist only on the other end of the optical cable(if they exist at all). No one backend is closer to being a good fit than any of the others. For all use cases having a good selection of backends is essential. If you can time travel a working wine version from the future that would be nice, but until you can offer a does work in all cases, wine is broken for some cases and won't be fixed... By patching the alsa backend to support PA. Though a patch for a native PA backend does exist and this solution is available for more than a few years, instead of a few years from now. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I guess most people know it by now, but I've finally had some time to try it out myself, so... https://github.com/wine-compholio/wine-staging/wiki/Installation Wonder how long it'll take for pulse related patches to get into upstream Wine (if they ever will), but so far this is the closest thing to a solution to our common problem. Quite sad if you ask me, but that's the world we live in ^^ -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I agree with the sentiment that maybe the wine developers just need to make the wine alsa output play nicer with pulseaudio, and probably modernize it a bit. Another option is to use a multimedia abstraction library for this and some other items (raster/vector rendering, OpenGL instance creation, input etc) to help better handle all OS-specific issues. SDL would work nicely for this. If an abstraction layer was wanted solely for use in audio, OpenAL would probably work nicely. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in pulseaudio package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in wine package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I set pulseaudio autospawn to No, killed pulseaudio, and started Natspeak wine. Natspeak worked great. Actually, this is wrong. I hadn't uncommented the autospawn setting and pulseaudio was still running. Whoops. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Susan Cragin from comment #413) My above post is confusing in one regard. I was able to get Youtube music on my linux Firefox, and NatSpeak on my wine, simultaneously. I did one more test. I set pulseaudio autospawn to No, killed pulseaudio, and started Natspeak wine. Natspeak worked great. Andrew, you may wish to ask the developer listserv if this patch should be included in the regular code. Mh... Sorry, do you mean that you had to kill pulseaudio to get a good audio output, or that the patch works well with and without PA? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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My above post is confusing in one regard. I was able to get Youtube music on my linux Firefox, and NatSpeak on my wine, simultaneously. I did one more test. I set pulseaudio autospawn to No, killed pulseaudio, and started Natspeak wine. Natspeak worked great. Andrew, you may wish to ask the developer listserv if this patch should be included in the regular code. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Mh... Sorry, do you mean that you had to kill pulseaudio to get a good audio output, or that the patch works well with and without PA? On NatSpeak running in wine, I did not have to kill pulseaudio to get good audio. My understanding is (from looking at winecfg settings) that wine used alsa. And I think Linux/Firefox/YouTube used pulseaudio. I was using the same headset to dictate into Natspeak/wine and listen to YouTube/Linux. So the patch works well with and without. I am always looking for ways to make NatSpeak work faster and better because it's the only program I really care about, so I was happy to kill pulseaudio (and every other non-essential service). I'm a bit of a nut in that regard. Susan -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Please post your test results here, or email me directly if you prefer. Andrew, Hello. I compiled biarch wine using your patch, and I am very pleased with it. Background. I use wine to run Dragon NaturallySpeaking. NatSpeak is a resource hog and works best with Lubuntu and a low-latency kernel, which I have. But I had installed pulseaudio just to get wine sound working. NatSpeak needs to be installed in a 32-bit wine prefix because it is a 32-bit program with handles to make it run on 64-bit systems. Test. You patch installed problem-free. I tried running NatSpeak with my current wineprefix. It worked and then it didn't... I'm not sure what the problem was. So I created a new wine prefix and re-installed NatSpeak. Success. Winecfg showed me default and my two sound cards, including my Sennheiser PC363D headset. I have .asoundconfrc set to call up Card 1, so the default setting called up my headset. Hooray. Selecting the Sennheiser option in winecfg did NOT work. Boo. So then I tested it. Great sound. Great accuracy. Checked alsamixer. The settings showed it was being accessed and had set the volume in the microphone. Then, I opened a browser and tried a youtube video at the same time as NatSpeak on wine. Both worked simultaneously. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Created attachment 48661 mmdevapi: More accurately track device position Hi folks, I have a significant patch to the ALSA driver which I hope will improve audio playback for PulseAudio users, especially users with audio that stops playing or is choppy. Before I push this for inclusion in Wine, I was hoping to get some feedback from users still having issues using Wine with PulseAudio. The patch is attached to this comment. It will apply to wine-git (d6a59f755eff), it will not apply to Wine 1.7.19. Please build unmodified Wine with this patch and let me know if this results in any changes to your audio situation. Please confirm in winecfg that you are using the winealsa driver before testing. Specifically I'm interested to know: What problems did you have before when using the ALSA driver? Are there any noticeable changes as a result of applying this patch? Do any problems remain? What type of audio hardware do you have (e.g. a USB headset, built-in audio)? If possible, what make/model is it? aplay -L may give you a hint. Please post your test results here, or email me directly if you prefer. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I agree about putting up a status page somewhere. The wiki would work nicely. This way we can have a link to the code for the driver and direct indicators of what needs to be improved. Also, I don't want to start another flame war, but I'm thinking the driver MIGHT be ready to have a tag in the bug database. This might be a good policy for all unofficial branches. Specifically, they should change the request that any bug that is verified to be caused by the PulseAudio driver (i.e. it goes away when mapping through ALSA). That way we know EXACTLY how much work needs to be done. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Ben Klein from comment #404) (In reply to Ben Shadwick from comment #403) The Wine devs are so irrationally close-minded about this issue OK, stop there before this descends into a flame-war. Stop what? To me this seems to be an accurate description of the actual issue we are facing here. Ignoring the real issue is not going to get us anywhere. citing of silly procedural issues as an excuse to avoid having to incorporate fixes. Those procedural issues relate to code quality and cooperative functionality with other modules. Winepulse is not up to scratch. I haven't been very involved in the Wine community, but I do recall another bug report about dwrite breaking Steam because it wasn't yet working correctly. Not only was the dwrite code in the source tree, it was enabled by default (it shouldn't be). If incomplete code known to break important applications is part of source tree, why isn't wine pulse there? You say there are some issues with it. Sure, I can believe there are issues, however, code doesn't have to be perfect in order to be merged. Most code is merged after all the obvious issues found in code review are addressed, sometimes with known issues and TODO's. Eventually one by one the issues are addressed. Not merging the code because it's not perfect is irrational, and that's a fact. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Rosanne DiMesio from comment #400) (In reply to Michael Gooch from comment #399) audio issues on these distros when run in wine, DESPITE the distros patching in winepulse support ( Doesn't that just prove that a winepulse driver is NOT the answer to the audio problems some users still have? Following this logic, Wine is not the answer to run programs not natively ported on Linux, and it should've been dropped years ago. This doesn't have to be perceived as criticism towards Wine of course, since it has improved greatly since it actually required a lot of work to make simple programs work on it. In fact, Wine is a good example of how something buggy can become more and more stable when people keep working on it... Wonder what would've have happened if the majority of its developers would've just said screw developing Wine, just dual boot Windows and dropped coding Wine. Like it or not, Pulseaudio is a reality now (it has actually been such for quite a few years), and it is time to actually deal with it. Also, I'd like to note that alsa's support for pulse has always been buggy, and has made little to none improvement in the last years, at least not where it matters or enough to let wine provide a working, continuous and appreciable sound output. I understand it takes less effort to say blame alsa-plugins, not us than maintaining a proper pulse driver, but you actually already have some people who'd do that for you. Also, please, stop pretending that at this point Pulseaudio can be dropped in favor of alsa. Doing that implies the loss of a good deal of features which may actually be essential to some users, and it is also quite foolish to suggest user to do so. What's the point of Wine becoming more stable and needing less and less tweaks to make programs run on it, when users would still have to do a good deal of tuning to force alsa into their systems (as long as it is still possible)? Winepusle is buggy, yes, but it offers far better support to audio output than wine's alsa driver is doing right now. It's not perfect, indeed, but at least it offers FUNCTIONAL audio output. To be fair, I can't see how the issues that the current alsa driver is causing (from stuttering audio to the complete lack of it, passing through random and loud ear-unfriendly noises) isn't seen as a major (if not critical) bug, causing a good loos of functionality. What's the point right now to keep winepulse out of Wine? It isn't doing worse than winealsa is, it'll make some people stop complaining, it'll save time for several packagers... And it wouldn't even mean the removal of winealsa, for those who don't want Pulseaudio on their system. Please, just hear the users who have posted on this bug report since 2007: at first it was just a feature request, but as years passed it become something more, something necessary due to the evolution course of most Linux distros. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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While I agree, there's sadly no point in arguing. The Wine devs are so irrationally close-minded about this issue that they even resorted to semi-personal attacks against people attempting to provide winepulse audio drivers and citing of silly procedural issues as an excuse to avoid having to incorporate fixes. It's always sad and frustrating to see open source projects be so insensitive to the concerns of end-users, but when people go so far as to contribute actual code changes and still be rejected out of hand, there's just nothing to be done. Situations like this are what cause a lot of projects to fork, which is the worst way for things to work themselves out because it causes the community to split their efforts. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Ben Shadwick from comment #403) The Wine devs are so irrationally close-minded about this issue OK, stop there before this descends into a flame-war. citing of silly procedural issues as an excuse to avoid having to incorporate fixes. Those procedural issues relate to code quality and cooperative functionality with other modules. Winepulse is not up to scratch. It's always sad and frustrating to see open source projects be so insensitive to the concerns of end-users, but when people go so far as to contribute actual code changes and still be rejected out of hand, there's just nothing to be done. I've been out of the loop for a while, but last time I was actively commenting on this bug Wine devs were planning an architectural change in the way audio drivers work. Even before that, they were hesitant to include ANY new audio drivers because the existing framework employs a lot of code duplication. Situations like this are what cause a lot of projects to fork, which is the worst way for things to work themselves out because it causes the community to split their efforts. The only people to have successfully forked Wine are Codeweavers (Crossover Office et al) and that's only because they work closely with Wine devs. It's a huge project. Every bugfix is like a pharmaceutical drug: it may fix a problem, but will almost certainly have unforseen side-effects. One of my major objections to the existing Winepulse code is that it seems to completely ignore MIDI support. Even without the other hurdles to inclusion, an audio driver simply would not be considered if it will completely break applications that ask for MIDI. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Ben Klein from comment #404) One of my major objections to the existing Winepulse code is that it seems to completely ignore MIDI support. Even without the other hurdles to inclusion, an audio driver simply would not be considered if it will completely break applications that ask for MIDI. Although that is a major flaw on winepulse's part, it is something that can be implemented (especially if more people can would work on it upstream), and the same goes for any other other feature. The current winealsa, on the other end, has to rely on a (bugged and not reliable, as it has proven itself) third party plugin to provide any audio output on most current distros, and it can't really be tweaked according to wine devs' desires. That doesn't count at all? Or is someone actively working on a better solution to this 8 years old problem? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Bugzilla is not for discussion, as has been pointed out, e.g., http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495#c251. Please take the discussion somewhere else. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to Austin English from comment #406) Bugzilla is not for discussion, as has been pointed out, e.g., http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495#c251. Please take the discussion somewhere else. To avoid further discussion in this bug report, which seems to come back to life every so often, could you (Wine's staff) set up a place where it can be held, and where devs would actually give us (wine users) some kind of information about this issue? Mailing lists aren't so easy to follow when one doesn't have the time to dig through it all (I may be wrong, but the newest information regarding winepulse on wine-devel is months old), and having someone rationally explaining why winepulse is being kept away from upstream (in a non-wiki form, where users could actually ask questions and explain their perplexities and needs, and where they'd be able to hear actual devs explaining the technical difficulties, with a real interaction between the two) would prevent this bug report being flooded, AND it could also help to improve the general opinion of Wine devs (which some claimed to be narrow minded and refusing winepulse by personal believes/grudges rather than technical reasons). Simple answers (eg. we're working on it, talk about it somewhere else, read wine-devel) won't really prevent this discussion to spawn again in the future, isn't it better to face this problem now, after 8 years? I know users don't really have the right to make any demand to developers, but so far we've been ignored, threatened to being suspended from being able to post bug reports, and mocked (as it has been said in the forums sometimes, install alsa or disable sounds and such, which is plain mockery as some people actually need pulse for a reason or another), I believe we deserve some clear answers after all that. So please, I beg you, set up a place where devs and users can, even for limited time, have a constructive chat about this issue, so that everyone can have an idea of what is actually gonna happen in the future regarding an upstream pulse driver. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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For the record, no one's been advised to remove PulseAudio for years, not since the audio rewrite in 2011. The Sound wiki page explicitly advises against removing it, and that page is where I refer users to if the problem is not something obvious (e.g., user is missing 32 bit alsa- plugins). I have certainly never mocked anyone for using PulseAudio: I happen to use it myself. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Michael Gooch from comment #399) audio issues on these distros when run in wine, DESPITE the distros patching in winepulse support ( Doesn't that just prove that a winepulse driver is NOT the answer to the audio problems some users still have? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Predictions made by m...@jgs-wg.de (Martin Jürgens ) on 2007-11-18 13:13:06 CST are basically already true today. Many distros have switched to using pulse audio as their default-shipped audio system, and many things have audio issues on these distros when run in wine, DESPITE the distros patching in winepulse support (that outside devs had to create because wine devs couldn't be bothered). The reality of the situation is that pulse is not completely back- compatible to alsa,and this creates problems that could potentially be avoided by wine. It might be pulseaudio's fault, but defining where blame lies isn't important, a functional application that doesn't require extensive user intervention IS. You guys really ought to get on top of this sooner rather than later. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
(In reply to Rosanne DiMesio from comment #400) (In reply to Michael Gooch from comment #399) audio issues on these distros when run in wine, DESPITE the distros patching in winepulse support ( Doesn't that just prove that a winepulse driver is NOT the answer to the audio problems some users still have? It certainly proves that having a solution cooked up by the distro package managers isn't a proper solution. However, asking users to disable winepulse and go through considerable configuration to avoid the audio stutter isn't really a solution either, its a hack around a problem that hasn't been solved. It also stands a very good chance of causing issues in non-wine apps if the OS or other apps expect pulse to still be configured according to release-specs and develop accordingly. If the compatibility were wine-native instead of hacked in, theres a chance the wine devs' way of doing it would be far more efficient and better coded for the way wine works as they have a better knowledge of the wine backend than the distro package managers do. Wine should just work, out of the box, without breaking in unexpected ways that force users to dredge the internet looking for configuration options to fix their system around this bug. If this were just a small number of relatively obscure distros i'd understand the thinking, but the major distros have made this switch, and wine now has to make a choice in how they're going to adapt to it. So far, they haven't adapted at all. If you want to try to influence the various distros to dump pulse I'd support that idea, but chances are they're not going to. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
I'm not sure this should be a pulseaudio bug in launchpad anymore. ** Changed in: pulseaudio (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
I guess if it's been satisfactorily addressed on the Wine side, then it should be okay. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Invalid Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Just a friendly reminder, but after another 4 months of waiting, how is this being handled? Is pulseaudio support still considered trivial/unneeded, although it's mandatory on some systems (eg. those on which a good/easy way to control audio streams is needed)? I'd also like to add that using the wine-multimedia git repository (the one with the pulseaudio driver) I'm not experiencing this gstreamer related bug: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30557 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
** Bug watch added: Wine Bugzilla #30557 http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30557 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = Maarten Lankhorst (mlankhorst) ** Changed in: wine (Ubuntu) Status: Triaged = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Fix Released Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #396) I was waiting to ask this as well... Since wine 1.6 is out now, will winepulse be one of 1.8's goals? I haven't seen many references to this on the mailing list either lately The patch was last sent before the code freeze, back in May: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2013-May/124406.html it hasn't been sent since the code freeze ended. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I was waiting to ask this as well... Since wine 1.6 is out now, will winepulse be one of 1.8's goals? I haven't seen many references to this on the mailing list either lately -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Is there any progress on pulseaudio support? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #393) Patches have been sent, people posted reviews/comments. E.g.,: Thanks a lot for the info! (In reply to comment #393) Check the first comment, it's a feature request = enhancement. Pulseaudio is supposed to be compatible with ALSA, which Wine already supports, and sound does work for a lot of use cases.* *Note: This is not meant to restart the debate about Pulseaudio/Wine/etc. I'm explaining why, as a bugzilla admin, I'm not marking it major. Sounds fair, but since it's been 5 years since that post, I thought it was worth asking :p -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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So, it's been a month since the last update about this... How are things going? Will winepulse make it into upstream? Has there been an actual collaboration between Maarten and the devs? Also, just for the record: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTIxOTg By the way, I think this should be changed to major, since the lack of sound in most (if not all) applications should be probably considered a major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #392) So, it's been a month since the last update about this... How are things going? Will winepulse make it into upstream? Has there been an actual collaboration between Maarten and the devs? Patches have been sent, people posted reviews/comments. E.g.,: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/097482.html http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/097485.html http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/097486.html http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/097487.html http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/097602.html etc. (check http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-October/ and look for dsound). One of the patches was resent yesterday: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2012-November/119914.html Also, just for the record: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTIxOTg By the way, I think this should be changed to major, since the lack of sound in most (if not all) applications should be probably considered a major loss of functionality for a wide range of applications Check the first comment, it's a feature request = enhancement. Pulseaudio is supposed to be compatible with ALSA, which Wine already supports, and sound does work for a lot of use cases.* *Note: This is not meant to restart the debate about Pulseaudio/Wine/etc. I'm explaining why, as a bugzilla admin, I'm not marking it major. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897] Re: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio
Set default-fragments = 8 default-fragment-size-msec = 5 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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@comment #283 We shall see about that willingness.. I posted some patches on mailing list to knock some sense into the dsound mixer, pending moderation, and I have 3 more patches locally when those get accepted, one to make DSOUND_ReopenDevice never fail halfway any more no matter the error and save a copy in mixing to non-float, another to fix DSOUND_WaveQueue, and another to remove device-state. In my local tree (patched with rtkit and winepulse) I could run dsound with 1 ms total queue latency, and there were not enough underruns to fail the interactive dsound tests. Of course there were still some, but I didn't disable my cpu's higher C-states, plus the latency itself is so ridiculously low that it's really only meant for testing. @comment #289 No, I've been actively maintaining it in ubuntu-wine ppa, updating it every 2 weeks, and fixing bugs when people report them. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I know I'm just a user and I probably don't understand much of wine's developement, but Maarten put a lot of effort into a patch that fixes an issue ( or a serious lacking, up to you ) that wine'd had for 5 years now, shouldn't that be enough to prove himself to the devs' team? At least take a look at his work, everybody who tested it can say how well it works, and it's surely better than the other pulse patch around. Heck, it even makes games run smoother now that alsa/pa don't hog the cpus anymore. Even if you still don't trust him, or if he committed some errors in the past, you have to face the actual situation: years ago pulseaudio was considered ( by some ) to be the future of sound management for linux, writing a driver for it was pretty much a gamble, especially since wine already had a ton of other drivers that could work with pa. Right now though, pa is the default on many distros, including the most popular ones, and it's actually been like that for a couple of years. How much longer will this have to carry on? Wine's support for pa should be a must right now, sticking with alsa is just not viable anymore ( you don't believe me? Check how many distros ship a patched wine with pa support ), and waiting for Maarten to prove himself worthy by doing unrelated work will just push back this necessary feature for how much? Months? Years? Even worse, the other pa patch could be included in wine before that, the one with many sound issues and that still causes cpu spikes, and that'd just make harder ( if not impossible, or not worth it ) to include the only working pa support we have right now. Seriously, at least take a look at his work and give some technical reasons why you don't want to include it in upstream wine, else it'll keep looking like you just don't care about pa for personal reasons, as I ( and probably other people ) think. It's really time to catch up with the present. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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As a user, I also agree that the patch should be reviewed. I have yet to see a valid reason for not reviewing the patch - it having been submitted while in code freeze has no relevance to the code itself, and while the size of the patch might mean that it will take a while to review, it is still better to do that sooner rather than later. It does not look like the patch is going to get smaller any time soon. Of course, if there is something that Maarten can do to make the process easier - like splitting the patch into modular pieces - I would imagine it would be appreciated. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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It's alright, it will happen eventually. The wine devs have gone through the denial phase (Pulse is not capable, it's not shipped by default on most distributions, ALSA compatibility is a better solution somehow). They're just finished the anger phase (completely badgering Maarten and his work). Now they're finally in the bargaining phase (build some reputation again and maybe we can talk) where we can start making some progress. It's a shame that the only basis the wine devs have to reject the patch any longer is based on reputation issues rather than actual technical arguments. There may have been some in the past, and now there isn't anymore so they're still struggling to find reasons to reject the patch in order to preserve the reality they've built for themselves over the entire 1,794 days during which this bug has been open. It's normal -- it's simply a defence mechanism; they don't want their own reality to crumble down, so they rationalize away their reasoning, which deep down they know to be flawed, but they convince themselves that it's not. They'll get over it eventually, it will just take some more time. Until then, we as users should just keep using patched Wine releases and patiently wait for them to come out of their comfy artificial shell. Now, one of three things is going to happen: Either they will simply ignore this post despite knowing it to be true, either they'll cherry- pick one or two statements and provide non-technical arguments as to why they don't stand (and somehow, refuting that subset of the post invalidates the entire post), or maybe (just maybe!) they'll see things for what they really are and actually start working *with* Maarten (and, by extensions, most users of Wine) instead of *against* Maarten. I wish Maarten the best of luck in his work and his interactions with the Wine devs. I also want to express my appreciation towards his work, without which Wine would simply not be usable at all for me. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Yet another user chiming in here (how many will it take?): I see no mention here of technical objections to Maarten's work; in fact, it sounds as if the Wine development team turned their noses up at it without even looking it over. So Maarten committed a faux-pas by submitting his patch at a bad time; is this ***really*** such a harsh crime that you are doing right by the end-users in punitively ostracizing him? Seriously? This all looks like more of the same silly bureaucratic/political posturing to me that we've been seeing here all along, which is a huge disservice to us end-users who are still waiting for this major 5-year- old issue to be properly resolved. You should be ashamed of yourselves for acting so self-righteous, both at the expense of us end-users and as an insult to the greater spirit of collaborative open-source software development. My advice is to have Andrew stop wasting time reinventing the wheel, and at least review Maarten's work and collaborate with him to work through any issues prior to merging. We all know that Maarten has a very mature patch that is already being field-tested by hundreds (at least) of end- users, and he has been very eager for and responsive to feedback. We're not being fooled into thinking that Maarten or his work should be shunned. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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This is not a user forum. User comments in here aren't especially helpful. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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While as a fellow developer I understand the point of core Wine developers of not accepting large and complex patches who, by previous experience, is unlikely to be there to maintain it in the future, thus putting the maintenance burden of this new code on the very same core Wine devs, ... ... at the same time considering the time frame of the bug, importance of the bug to a large fraction of Wine users and the fact that the solution is already well tested and used by most users of distribution packages, IMHO core developers should bite the bullet and try to review this code on its technical merits and have one of the core devs take over the responsibility for the patch, its further development and inclusion into core. Continuing to keep this out-of-tree is guaranteed to keep the annoyance going for all parties involved. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Aside from political stuff, I guess we all agree we need traction in this feature. If I got it correctly, Maarten has a fully functional patch, but it can't be reviewed because of its size and non-technical reasons already enough discussed. Also, Andrew seems to be working on the same thing, but apart from Maarten, having unnecessary additional work. So there are two steps needed: 1.Small, punctual patches from Maarten, which can be reviewed one at a time, be accepted and improve both Pulse support state and Maarten reputation. Maarten said he already worked in splitting the patch before, so there's already a way to go. 2.Willingness from Wine devs to review Maarten patches. Andrew already said that's OK, so no issue. Is that road possible? Is there help needed? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Maarten, you have to understand that your reputation with the project is not very good right now. You didn't do anything to improve it by sending huge patches during code freeze and submitting a git-pull request when you know that isn't how Wine code submission works. No one is interested in reviewing a 3 kLOC patch from someone with a bad reputation. This is why I asked you on IRC to work on improving your reputation first. As I've said, I'm happy to review reasonable-sized patches and ask that they be committed. You have to show that you're willing to work with the project, even the parts of it that you don't like, to have the trust level required for being responsible for important parts of the code. (In reply to comment #382) I'm willing to resubmit the whole patch series of multimedia.git. This is the problem. It takes a lot of trust to accept huge, difficult- to-review patch series. Start small and simple (I think you said you have dsound improvements?) and build up from there. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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So, what is the progress on this from the official Wine side? Is it still being worked on, as mentioned in Comment 369? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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I've tried to stay clear of political discussions, sigh.. The main reason it was not accepted was that julliard chose not to even review my patches, so how am I supposed to get it merged in mainline then? I'm willing to rework the dsound patches to a cleaner state, and resend both them and winepulse though if wine devs are finally willing to review it instead of letting it rot in the patch list until it falls off. The main reason it's out of tree is that wine never chose to accept it in the first place. The only 'review' I got was from Dmitry Timoshkov, see: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:45:18 +0200 You forgot to fix the date, 1 Apr would be more appropriate I'd guess. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-February/094459.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #373) So, what is the progress on this from the official Wine side? Is it still being worked on, as mentioned in Comment 369? Afaik Andrew is still working on this, but he has other work to take care of as well. (In reply to comment #374) I've tried to stay clear of political discussions, sigh.. I'm not sure why you're trying to start one here then. The main reason it was not accepted was that julliard chose not to even review my patches, so how am I supposed to get it merged in mainline then? You've made it clear you're not willing to work within the current Wine development process. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to avoid wasting time reviewing your patches in that case. The only 'review' I got was from Dmitry Timoshkov, see: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:45:18 +0200 You forgot to fix the date, 1 Apr would be more appropriate I'd guess. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-February/094459.html That certainly wasn't the only comment you got, but regardless. The relevant context there was of course that you submitted a huge patch about a week before Wine 1.4 was released, when we were deep in code freeze. Of course nobody is going to take you seriously then. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #375) Not to go into politics, but code freeze or not this comment is still inappropriate, and sounds more like Not a chance in hell this will ever see the light of day than What are you thinking, submitting this now. Regardless of the official position of Wine as a project, there are Wine developers who are simply against pulse and this is reflected in the attitude displayed towards the efforts put into the winepulse driver. Take it like this: If pulse frustrates you, think how frustrating it must be to write a driver for it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Many people who tried Maarten's winepulse can testify how well it works. Even if there'd been some misunderstandings in the past, he put much effort in his work, in an area where upstream wine's progress was non existent. Face it, supporting pulse via alsa-plugins is just not viable, it didn't work well in the past and it surely isn't working well now, winepulse is surely a better, fully functional alternative. Also, use alsa instead of pulse is just a way to avoid the issue which has been carried on for too long ( look when this all started: 2007-11-18 12:47:22 CST ), most distros now ship with pulseaudio and sometimes getting alsa to work instead of it can be too difficult for a newbie user ( asound.conf, anyone? ). Many things have been said in the past, but now wine 1.4 is out, there is no code freeze... Can't you give eachother another chance and try to work together, now that there aren't any real reasons not to review winepulse? Stubborness, on any side, doesn't get wine good pulse support... -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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IMO, given the facts that - a huge part of wine's users intend to run windows applications comprising audio output with it (particularly games) and - PA-focused distros like Ubuntu and its derivates have an enormous market share, attracting an increasing number of users to the linux world, supporting PA should definitely not be considered a matter of personal preferences or taste (Thereby I do not assume or imply that anybody does so). Granted, PA is not the best sound server out there and the trouble it brings probably even outruns the benefits. Nevertheless it is being incorporated into a wide spectrum of distros, i.e. employed by a vast user base... and AFAIK there are no indications that this might change in the near future. So this is not just a temporary fashion but rather a part of the contemporary reality of wine use cases. If I understand wine's goals correctly, they incude striving for the best possible out-of-the-box experience for most of its users. Given that this is the case, this goal is endangered by not adding PA support at least in the long term. Though, once more, I do not imply anyone blocking efforts in this context -- this is purely hypothetical. So, as long as it does not break anything else, adding a *clean* and *structured* implementation of a PA driver to wine does no harm -- will it? However and doublessly, established wine development paradigms MUST be maintained in doing so. Anything else would be fatal in the context of such a huge project, in which the methods and practices of the leading devs have indeed turned out to be very successful. But this is just my personal opinion... I hope it's helpful to anybody, providing food for thought. At least I'm quite sure about this: There are many users out there thinking something like my audio is not working properly when running my windows apps with wine - linux is crap... They'd be glad if you guys could somehow reconcile. :) Or, to put it a little more direct and to pick up what Maurizio said above, stubbornness -- on any side -- has never gotten anyone anywhere. Especially not among apparently able developers. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Is there any chance of publishing audio driver interface? Then Maarten Lankhorst can work independently of the Wine team. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #374) The main reason it was not accepted was that julliard chose not to even review my patches, so how am I supposed to get it merged in mainline then? You've made it clear you're not willing to work within the current Wine development process. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to avoid wasting time reviewing your patches in that case. Please don't let facts get in the way. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2012-March/111968.html I no longer expect it for v1.4, but hopefully post 1.4 it will be included The only 'review' I got was from Dmitry Timoshkov, see: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:45:18 +0200 You forgot to fix the date, 1 Apr would be more appropriate I'd guess. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2012-February/094459.html That certainly wasn't the only comment you got, but regardless. The relevant context there was of course that you submitted a huge patch about a week before Wine 1.4 was released, when we were deep in code freeze. Of course nobody is going to take you seriously then. See above. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #380) (In reply to comment #374) The main reason it was not accepted was that julliard chose not to even review my patches, so how am I supposed to get it merged in mainline then? You've made it clear you're not willing to work within the current Wine development process. I don't think it's unreasonable for us to avoid wasting time reviewing your patches in that case. Please don't let facts get in the way. http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-patches/2012-March/111968.html I no longer expect it for v1.4, but hopefully post 1.4 it will be included That's a different mail than the one Dmitry responded to. Anyway, I'm not interested in discussing the how and why of the situation further with you, it's pointless. If you want to think the reason your patches got rejected is because the Wine project is full of unreasonable people that's fine, for all I care. I just want to make a couple of things clear for everyone else: - http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git is unlikely to ever be included in upstream Wine. - You're not speaking on behalf of the Wine project when you're asking distributions to include http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git in their Wine package. - Andrew is still working on a PulseAudio driver, it will get there eventually. Doing things right takes time and effort. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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Oh fine, have the whole story as far as I know it. And before I start, I have nothing against any person named in here, just think the process of accepting patches could see some improvement. This is from my point of view, and from memory, so it may not actually have happened as I claim it to be, since I don't have a perfect memory, and I'm biased. If I had to guess, this all goes back to winegstreamer in 2010, I was working on that and had the core code ready where gstreamer plugins could be used as a replacement for certain codecs wine was missing. The code itself was not perfect of course, but that was not the real reason for its rejection. I needed some code from dlls/quartz to make it work, but it was impossible to share code between since there had to be common code. Unfortunately without much more than terse feedback, I didn't know how to work on it and Aric Stewart was working on that instead. I said before he started working on it that the winegstreamer code was nearly ready, but the work on strmbase (common code) took a lot of effort. So in 1 way I was right, but the work on the common code caused a lot of delay, so in another way I was completely wrong. As you can see from git log dlls/winegstreamer, there have been a few fixes and some development to implement qos (frame dropping), but that was to be expected as more people started using it. The code is probably more complicated than it had to be, since I tried to act like the Andrew Eikum was assigned to work on replacing the sound system for mmdevapi from the old openal based one which I was responsible for, and didn't turn out to be a good match for mmdevapi. Yes this was completely my fault, but I did think at the time, and still do, that openal-soft is really nice to have to replace our crappy dsound implementation with. Fortunately it's still possible, since the author of openal-soft added an extension so that we can use openal-soft to mix sound, but use our own sound system for playing the mixed sound. But I degress. While the switching of audio stacks to mmdevapi was still in progress, I tried to do some work to convert dsound to mmdevapi too. But can't remember why it was not accepted, somewhere around april 2011. Around this time I also started to work on the winepulse mmdevapi driver, which was originally meant so I would have sound in the 2 games I played at the time, but not with enough quality to be used further. I always intended to get it done right since I already knew that winealsa + alsa- pulse would never work right for pulseaudio. I then took a break from wine, still sometimes sending patches but I didn't keep the git tree mentioned synced with my local tree, and I mostly used wine as a user, not as a dev. Somewhere in januari or februari 2012 I noticed that there was interest in pulseaudio support again, and that wine finally accepted that winepulse just had to happen. So I did what I always intended to do, and cleaned up my winepulse patch. The final version I submitted was nothing like the earlier versions, I completely reworked the capturing to be packet based like the mmdevapi tests indicate, and rendering I used the pulseaudio callbacks, so that when pulseaudio sends a callback, the position gets updated. The end result was a driver that matched native behavior exactly, and could be claimed to be the first driver in wine that actually passed all tests. I even found a bug in the tests themselves, see mmdevapi: Fix broken test (required to pass all tests with winepulse) However, somewhere during the rework it turns out Andrew Eikum was already working on his own driver based on mine, I did give it a look at the time, and found that it would be mostly identical in behavior to winealsa with pulse emulation, so I chose to put in a bit extra effort to make sure mine behaved exactly as a windows audio driver instead. This was the version I sent for review, and I addressed all issues as they were raised. Until I submitted the final version to winepulse, I was working on splitting things up too, in case that was the reason the patch was rejected. But the patch dropped off the list in the 'new' state, eg not even looked at. Now comes the part I probably don't remember properly any more, so please take the next paragraph of mostly lies. After being 2 weeks in the 'new' state I asked julliard why the patch was not even looked at. It was because I was unreliable as maintainer, and have done things in the past like the gstreamer stuff where I was too optimistic about being ready, and what keeps me from dropping support for it and working on something else altogether? I can't remember this part exactly, he might have said some more, but this is what the real reason the winepulse rejected really is, that I wouldn't be the one maintaining it, or following up on feedback. (This is the part I probably do remember correctly) He also suggested that I worked in other areas of wine again, so I build up some reputation
[Desktop-packages] [Bug 371897]
Apparently http://source.winehq.org/patches/data/87234 is now considered to be obsolete; http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git should be used instead. Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 00:46:08 +0200 Subject: update wine pulse patch please From: Maarten Lankhorst m.b.lankho...@gmail.com To: tetrom...@gentoo.org I saw your ebuild still making mention of aeikum's ancient pulse patch, written in response to my original, unupdated patch, it's not the correct one and lacks proper pulseaudio support (technical problems). Please consider pulling http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git and leaving out all commits after 'valgrind prevent crash hack', the rtkit ones specify audio thread priority better, dsound has some love to make it work better against pulse, and winmm is changed to fall back to alsa midi if pulseaudio is used. The git tree usually gets updated on the same day or the day after a release, but only if the patch series fails to apply. :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #370) Apparently http://source.winehq.org/patches/data/87234 is now considered to be obsolete; http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git should be used instead. Well, neither of those will result in a build of Wine that can be supported by us. That's a distribution's own responsibility of course, up to a point, but please do take that into account when applying custom patches. When patches aren't in upstream Wine there's usually a good reason, certainly beyond what people sometimes perceive as Wine hates PA. As for the mail you received, Maarten Lankhorst has made it fairly clear that he doesn't agree with the way the Wine development process works. That's his good right, but at this point he isn't really associated with the Wine project anymore, at the very least not in the role of audio maintainer. In the mail you received he's speaking as the author of http://repo.or.cz/w/wine/multimedia.git, not on behalf of the Wine project. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
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(In reply to comment #371) Well, neither of those will result in a build of Wine that can be supported by us. That's a distribution's own responsibility of course, up to a point, but please do take that into account when applying custom patches. Fair enough - but source-based distributions have some flexibility here because they can give users a choice about what goes into the build. Gentoo's wine package, for example, enables the unofficial pulseaudio support for those users who have the pulseaudio USE flag enabled. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Desktop Packages, which is subscribed to pulseaudio in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/371897 Title: Occasional sound drops in Wine via PulseAudio Status in Wine: Confirmed Status in “pulseaudio” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed Status in “wine” package in Ubuntu: Triaged Bug description: Binary package hint: wine I'm running the Spotify Windows application on two laptops under Wine with both internal and external USB sound card. With both cards you get the occasional pop and click in the sound suggesting some data loss somewhere. I've selected the alsa drivers in winecfg and the whole thing is running via the alsa compatibility layer in pulseaudio. Jaunty 9.04 UNR and standard Ubuntu desktop. wine: Installed: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Candidate: 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 Version table: *** 1.0.1-0ubuntu6 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/universe Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status pulseaudio: Installed: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Candidate: 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 Version table: *** 1:0.9.14-0ubuntu20 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wine/+bug/371897/+subscriptions -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages Post to : desktop-packages@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~desktop-packages More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
