Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Naomi Slater]

regarding stats from other orgs, there's some research in this piece I did
for MVC:

https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-open-source-identity-crisis

graph here:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/mvc-wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/slater_chart.png

the data I found suggested an average figure of maybe around 11% female
participation across OSS in 2014, putting us (5.7%) well behind the curve
on this metric

On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 at 23:27 Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> On 12/21/2016 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the
> >> possible
> >>> email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical.
> >> committerid
> >>> is still easier if there were a way to collect git activity as well as
> >> svn based
> >>> projects.
> >>
> >> Agreed.  I was wondering if the forwarding email address stored at
> >> id.apache.org would net enough to be significant or not.  That's the
> email
> >> where you received the survey notice.  If you use that to send anything
> to
> >> an ASF list we add you to the count.
> >>
> >
> > There are also the array of ldap aliases. Perhaps there is a way to get
> > that
> > from infra for the purposes of performing a crosstab based on ponymail or
> > apmail archives?
> >
> > We can probably reduce the dataset down to an availid <> lastseen pair,
> > for purposes of determining 'seen' or 'away'.
> >
>
> You could use Snoot to get activity by commits, email, issues via the
> MVP charts. They only list the top 2000 so email lists (even
> commit-wise, we've had 1600 different people contributing these past 3
> months!) may not be exhaustive, but it should show you who is contributing.
>
> Then couple that with the committer emails
>
> with regards,
> Daniel.
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Daniel Gruno]

On 12/21/2016 11:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr"  wrote:
>>>
>>> The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the
>> possible
>>> email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical.
>> committerid
>>> is still easier if there were a way to collect git activity as well as
>> svn based
>>> projects.
>>
>> Agreed.  I was wondering if the forwarding email address stored at
>> id.apache.org would net enough to be significant or not.  That's the email
>> where you received the survey notice.  If you use that to send anything to
>> an ASF list we add you to the count.
>>
> 
> There are also the array of ldap aliases. Perhaps there is a way to get
> that
> from infra for the purposes of performing a crosstab based on ponymail or
> apmail archives?
> 
> We can probably reduce the dataset down to an availid <> lastseen pair,
> for purposes of determining 'seen' or 'away'.
> 

You could use Snoot to get activity by commits, email, issues via the
MVP charts. They only list the top 2000 so email lists (even
commit-wise, we've had 1600 different people contributing these past 3
months!) may not be exhaustive, but it should show you who is contributing.

Then couple that with the committer emails

with regards,
Daniel.

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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[William A Rowe Jr]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr"  wrote:
> >
> >The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the
> possible
> >email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical.
> committerid
> >is still easier if there were a way to collect git activity as well as
> svn based
> >projects.
>
> Agreed.  I was wondering if the forwarding email address stored at
> id.apache.org would net enough to be significant or not.  That's the email
> where you received the survey notice.  If you use that to send anything to
> an ASF list we add you to the count.
>

There are also the array of ldap aliases. Perhaps there is a way to get
that
from infra for the purposes of performing a crosstab based on ponymail or
apmail archives?

We can probably reduce the dataset down to an availid <> lastseen pair,
for purposes of determining 'seen' or 'away'.

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Alex Harui]

On 12/21/16, 12:10 PM, "William A Rowe Jr"  wrote:

>On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
>
>>
>> On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits"  wrote:
>>
>> >To much work? For whom? In what period?
>> >Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the
>>hip?
>>
>> Well, I think it would be good to get a new number "soon".  Sounded like
>> Daniel could get a number from commits quickly.  Not sure how hard it
>> would be to add in mailing list activity.  But opening the discussion to
>> where else to look and actually looking made me think it would take
>>longer
>> and more energy than it was worth.  Hopefully folks who earned commit
>> rights for spending time elsewhere occasionally drop by their dev@.
>>They
>> should just so folks can know what is going on only by following dev@.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents though.  I won't be doing the work or stopping anyone
>>from
>> trying.
>>
>
>The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the
>possible
>email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical. committer
>id
>is still easier if there were a way to collect git activity as well as svn
>based
>projects.

Agreed.  I was wondering if the forwarding email address stored at
id.apache.org would net enough to be significant or not.  That's the email
where you received the survey notice.  If you use that to send anything to
an ASF list we add you to the count.

-Alex

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[William A Rowe Jr]

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
> On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits"  wrote:
>
> >To much work? For whom? In what period?
> >Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip?
>
> Well, I think it would be good to get a new number "soon".  Sounded like
> Daniel could get a number from commits quickly.  Not sure how hard it
> would be to add in mailing list activity.  But opening the discussion to
> where else to look and actually looking made me think it would take longer
> and more energy than it was worth.  Hopefully folks who earned commit
> rights for spending time elsewhere occasionally drop by their dev@.  They
> should just so folks can know what is going on only by following dev@.
>
> Just my 2 cents though.  I won't be doing the work or stopping anyone from
> trying.
>

The biggest hassle with email activity is cross-correlating all of the
possible
email aliases for some 6000 people, no longer really practical. committer id
is still easier if there were a way to collect git activity as well as svn
based
projects.

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Alex Harui]

On 12/21/16, 11:05 AM, "Pierre Smits"  wrote:

>To much work? For whom? In what period?
>Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip?

Well, I think it would be good to get a new number "soon".  Sounded like
Daniel could get a number from commits quickly.  Not sure how hard it
would be to add in mailing list activity.  But opening the discussion to
where else to look and actually looking made me think it would take longer
and more energy than it was worth.  Hopefully folks who earned commit
rights for spending time elsewhere occasionally drop by their dev@.  They
should just so folks can know what is going on only by following dev@.

Just my 2 cents though.  I won't be doing the work or stopping anyone from
trying.
-Alex

>
>Best regards,
>
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>On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/16, 9:01 AM, "Rich Bowen"  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
>> >> Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely
>> >>not going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we
>> >>recently elected an excellent committer who has never made a single
>> >>commit. Instead we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement
>> >>with the community answering questions and helping new users.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as
>>a
>> >>future move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined
>> >>against stats from the mailing lists for that project?
>> >>
>> >
>> >Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
>> >need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
>> >communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
>> >questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.
>>
>> That's starting to sound like too much work.  Would be nice to get
>>though,
>> but a first approximation of mlist + commit should give us a rough idea
>> for how far off the original 13% response rate number might be.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>>


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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Pierre Smits]

To much work? For whom? In what period? Is this a short term endeavour?
Does is require a combined effort? A plan? Or just a firing from the hip?

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Alex Harui  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/21/16, 9:01 AM, "Rich Bowen"  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
> >> Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely
> >>not going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we
> >>recently elected an excellent committer who has never made a single
> >>commit. Instead we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement
> >>with the community answering questions and helping new users.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a
> >>future move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined
> >>against stats from the mailing lists for that project?
> >>
> >
> >Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
> >need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
> >communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
> >questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.
>
> That's starting to sound like too much work.  Would be nice to get though,
> but a first approximation of mlist + commit should give us a rough idea
> for how far off the original 13% response rate number might be.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
>

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Alex Harui]

On 12/21/16, 9:01 AM, "Rich Bowen"  wrote:

>
>
>On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
>> Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely
>>not going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we
>>recently elected an excellent committer who has never made a single
>>commit. Instead we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement
>>with the community answering questions and helping new users.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a
>>future move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined
>>against stats from the mailing lists for that project?
>> 
>
>Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
>need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
>communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
>questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.

That's starting to sound like too much work.  Would be nice to get though,
but a first approximation of mlist + commit should give us a rough idea
for how far off the original 13% response rate number might be.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Pierre Smits]

And don't forget the various contributors who speak at events.

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
> > Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not
> going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently
> elected an excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead
> we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement with the community
> answering questions and helping new users.
> >
> > I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a
> future move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined
> against stats from the mailing lists for that project?
> >
>
> Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
> need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
> communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
> questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.
>
> --Rich
>
>
>
> > ---
> > A. Soroka
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote:
> >>> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
> > Hello Everyone
> >
> > A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in
> getting
> > the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers
> that
> > responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to
> collect
> > this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
> >
> > I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the
> Community
> > Development wiki (see link below)
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+
> Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
> >
> >
> > In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at
> the
> > time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
> 
>  It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
>  registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
>  "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
>  numbers around that.
> >>>
> >>> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be
> possible to
> >>> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?
> >>
> >> Sure, if that's our definition of "active". Likewise, if "commit" is our
> >> definition of "active", that seems easy too. I tend to think that
> >> "active" is a bit more complex, but either one of those would give us a
> >> good first estimate.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Trevor Grant]

I think we could leverage Streams-incubating help capture the latter.

Possibly as part of the social monitoring project we'd already talked about.

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:

>
>
> On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
> > Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not
> going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently
> elected an excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead
> we elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement with the community
> answering questions and helping new users.
> >
> > I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a
> future move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined
> against stats from the mailing lists for that project?
> >
>
> Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
> need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
> communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
> questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.
>
> --Rich
>
>
>
> > ---
> > A. Soroka
> >
> >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote:
> >>> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> 
>  On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
> > Hello Everyone
> >
> > A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in
> getting
> > the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers
> that
> > responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to
> collect
> > this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
> >
> > I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the
> Community
> > Development wiki (see link below)
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+
> Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
> >
> >
> > In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at
> the
> > time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
> 
>  It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
>  registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
>  "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
>  numbers around that.
> >>>
> >>> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be
> possible to
> >>> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?
> >>
> >> Sure, if that's our definition of "active". Likewise, if "commit" is our
> >> definition of "active", that seems easy too. I tend to think that
> >> "active" is a bit more complex, but either one of those would give us a
> >> good first estimate.
> >>
> >>
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Rich Bowen]

On 12/21/2016 08:32 AM, A. Soroka wrote:
> Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not 
> going to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently 
> elected an excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead we 
> elected him to recognize his fantastic involvement with the community 
> answering questions and helping new users.
> 
> I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a future 
> move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined against stats 
> from the mailing lists for that project?
> 

Yes, this was my point exactly. Thanks for articulating. Probably would
need to combine mlist + commit + tickets + ... other stuff? Some
communities have active contributors who spend their time answering
questions on IRC, G+, Facebook, StackOverflow, etc.

--Rich



> ---
> A. Soroka
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote:
>>> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:


 On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
> Hello Everyone
>
> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
> responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
> this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
>
> I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
> Development wiki (see link below)
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
>
>
> In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
> time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.

 It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
 registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
 "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
 numbers around that.
>>>
>>> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be possible to
>>> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?
>>
>> Sure, if that's our definition of "active". Likewise, if "commit" is our
>> definition of "active", that seems easy too. I tend to think that
>> "active" is a bit more complex, but either one of those would give us a
>> good first estimate.
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>>
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[A. Soroka]

Not to say that this isn't a good first step, but that is definitely not going 
to capture a lot of important engagement. At Apache Jena we recently elected an 
excellent committer who has never made a single commit. Instead we elected him 
to recognize his fantastic involvement with the community answering questions 
and helping new users.

I'm not sure what to do about that (measurement-wise) but perhaps as a future 
move, the base list of committers for a project could be joined against stats 
from the mailing lists for that project?

---
A. Soroka

> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:22 AM, Rich Bowen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote:
>> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
 Hello Everyone
 
 A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
 the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
 responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
 this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
 
 I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
 Development wiki (see link below)
 
 https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
 
 
 In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
 time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
>>> 
>>> It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
>>> registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
>>> "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
>>> numbers around that.
>> 
>> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be possible to
>> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?
> 
> Sure, if that's our definition of "active". Likewise, if "commit" is our
> definition of "active", that seems easy too. I tend to think that
> "active" is a bit more complex, but either one of those would give us a
> good first estimate.
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Pierre Smits]

Not everything is going through LDAP. There are still a lot of solutions in
place that are not hooked up to LDAP. Biggest examples: Confluence, Jira.

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 9:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk"  wrote:

> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
> >> Hello Everyone
> >>
> >> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
> >> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
> >> responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
> >> this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
> >>
> >> I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
> >> Development wiki (see link below)
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+
> Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
> >>
> >>
> >> In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
> >> time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
> >
> > It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
> > registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
> > "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
> > numbers around that.
>
> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be possible to
> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?
>
> >
> > Either way, though, given how anti-survey we have been in the past, 13%
> > actually sounds like a pretty good response rate to me.
> >
> >> We also got 111 feedback comments of which 29 did not give their
> >> permission to share or from quote their comments.
> >>
> >> I've categorised all the comments into various themes / topics with the
> >> main ones as follows:
> >>
> >> 1. Suggestions for improvements within the ASF
> >
> > I look forward to seeing these. I hope that we have some things in there
> > that are actionable, and that we can find volunteers to participate in.
> >
> > Most of the conversations that I've had with people that have led
> > diversity efforts in other open source communities answer "what worked?"
> > with "lots and lots of hard work, for a really long time."
> >
> > So, thanks so much for getting this process started again. It's long
> > overdue, and we appreciate your hard work here.
> >
> >
> >> 2. Suggestions for improvements to the survey (or any future ones)
> >> 3. Thanks / positive feedback about the ASF and/or survey
> >> 4. Feedback and ideas around diversity
> >>
> >> Next steps will be:
> >>
> >>  * Continue to analyse the information and identify any potential
> >>Community Development related actions
> >>  * Start discussion threads on the various themes and topics raised to
> >>see if they will result in additional actions
> >>  * Discuss feedback and diversity ideas and if necessary, integrate
> >>into diversity strategy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Rich Bowen]

On 12/21/2016 03:09 AM, "Ulrich Stärk" wrote:
> On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
>>> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
>>> responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
>>> this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
>>>
>>> I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
>>> Development wiki (see link below)
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
>>>
>>>
>>> In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
>>> time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
>>
>> It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
>> registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
>> "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
>> numbers around that.
> 
> Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be possible to
> get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?

Sure, if that's our definition of "active". Likewise, if "commit" is our
definition of "active", that seems easy too. I tend to think that
"active" is a bit more complex, but either one of those would give us a
good first estimate.


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Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey

[Ulrich Stärk]

On Tue, December 20, 2016 17:11, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>
> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
>> the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
>> responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
>> this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
>>
>> I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
>> Development wiki (see link below)
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Committer+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
>>
>>
>> In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
>> time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
>
> It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
> registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
> "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
> numbers around that.

Since everything these days is going through LDAP it should be possible to
get e.g. last login timestamp. Maybe reach out to infra?

>
> Either way, though, given how anti-survey we have been in the past, 13%
> actually sounds like a pretty good response rate to me.
>
>> We also got 111 feedback comments of which 29 did not give their
>> permission to share or from quote their comments.
>>
>> I've categorised all the comments into various themes / topics with the
>> main ones as follows:
>>
>> 1. Suggestions for improvements within the ASF
>
> I look forward to seeing these. I hope that we have some things in there
> that are actionable, and that we can find volunteers to participate in.
>
> Most of the conversations that I've had with people that have led
> diversity efforts in other open source communities answer "what worked?"
> with "lots and lots of hard work, for a really long time."
>
> So, thanks so much for getting this process started again. It's long
> overdue, and we appreciate your hard work here.
>
>
>> 2. Suggestions for improvements to the survey (or any future ones)
>> 3. Thanks / positive feedback about the ASF and/or survey
>> 4. Feedback and ideas around diversity
>>
>> Next steps will be:
>>
>>  * Continue to analyse the information and identify any potential
>>Community Development related actions
>>  * Start discussion threads on the various themes and topics raised to
>>see if they will result in additional actions
>>  * Discuss feedback and diversity ideas and if necessary, integrate
>>into diversity strategy
>
>
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>
>



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