Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Pierre Smits]

I used it - on a trial basis - for the generation of the Trafodion
quarterly report for upcoming board meeting, and found it quit cumbersome.
While adding content to it I found the screen/section constantly
repositioning itself to the top of the content, which was quite annoying.

On the other hand, I found the recap of the metrics in the reporter tool
quite handy. Unfortunately, the basis from where it was derived (the 'see
full metrics (new tab)' link/page) did not show all metrics.
Especially the mailing list trends showed only what someone else seems to
be regarding as important. Regarding this, the PMC of a project is the only
party who can determine what is important to report (or not), and it would
be therefore better that metrics of all mailing lists are shown.

Also, as the reporting period is defined (from the first day of the first
month of the reporting period to the last day of the last month of the
reporting period), I would be more accurate if the metrics page would
reflect that. Now it shows datapoint derived from the page refresh date,
which may lead to skewed (and difficult to compare) results. An improvement
would be that the tool would generate the metrics on shortly (within hours)
after the end of the reporting period automatically and store those results
for future use.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*Apache Trafodion , Vice President*
*Apache Directory , PMC Member*
Apache Incubator , committer
*Apache OFBiz , contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve , committer


On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:06 AM Jordan Zimmerman 
wrote:

> I just used it for the first time for Curator. I'm sorry to say that this
> is a big step backwards for me. The previous reporter was so much easier to
> use. I could enter the sections as needed, reflow easily and then copy to
> Whimsy. The new icons and editor were very confusing for me. Also, there
> was no way to reflow that I could find (other than to purposely exceed a
> line length). I'd prefer to copy to Whimsy myself and post when it's
> complete.
>
> My 0.02
>
> -Jordan
>
> > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> >
> > I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects,
> and should be available as a choice.
> >
> > However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter
> gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the whole
> report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.
> >
> > If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an
> option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking
> through all the windows.
> >
> > It would be better to present the help text for each window in a
> separate text area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual
> content.
>
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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Jordan Zimmerman]

I just used it for the first time for Curator. I'm sorry to say that this is a 
big step backwards for me. The previous reporter was so much easier to use. I 
could enter the sections as needed, reflow easily and then copy to Whimsy. The 
new icons and editor were very confusing for me. Also, there was no way to 
reflow that I could find (other than to purposely exceed a line length). I'd 
prefer to copy to Whimsy myself and post when it's complete.

My 0.02

-Jordan

> On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
> 
> I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects, and 
> should be available as a choice.
> 
> However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter gets 
> upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the whole report 
> as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.
> 
> If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an option 
> to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking through all the 
> windows.
> 
> It would be better to present the help text for each window in a separate 
> text area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual content.


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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Peter Barna]

Hey did u get the file.

On Sun, Aug 4, 2019, 7:30 AM Daniel Gruno  wrote:

> On 8/3/19 3:01 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> > Now that posting of reports is (mostly?) working, possible future
> enhancement.
> >
> > Currently, the wizard is targeting initial development of the report,
> > possibly collaboratively.  However, once posted, you need to use
> > either the whimsy board agenda tool or svn directly to make updates,
> > and to see and respond to comments.
> >
> > If you fetch the board agenda in json format, you can get the current
> > posted report, any comments that have been entered to date, and a
> > digest.  Examples:
> >
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-08-21.json
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-07-17.json
> >
> > If you post an updated report and include the previous digest, and the
> > digest matches the current digest, then the board agenda tool will
> > replace the report.  The reporter tool could then become the "go to"
> > place for PMC members (including non chairs and non ASF members) to
> > view and interact with the board.  I could even open up the posting of
> > comments endpoint for PMC members to add their own comments to their
> > own report.
>
>
> This is all very awesome, thank your for enabling this! :)
>
> I'm thinking this would be a great thing in the long run, and I'll work
> towards letting users deal with replacing/diffing in case of a report
> already having been filed, though it may take a while to come up with a
> proper way to handle this.
>
> For starters, I'm going to replace the current reporter tool with the
> new wizard, and then work towards better interaction with whimsy in the
> coming month (I think the new tool is good to go as is, but will work on
> adding your new features to it).
>
> >
> > Further down the road, a similar tool could be developed for podlings.
>
> Yes, the only main difference is that podlings are not in the committee
> database. Sowe just need to fetch some info elsewhere, and then most
> of the new tool would be accessible by podlings. Then we'd figure out
> how to "post to the combined incubator report".
>
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Daniel Gruno]

On 8/3/19 3:01 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:

Now that posting of reports is (mostly?) working, possible future enhancement.

Currently, the wizard is targeting initial development of the report,
possibly collaboratively.  However, once posted, you need to use
either the whimsy board agenda tool or svn directly to make updates,
and to see and respond to comments.

If you fetch the board agenda in json format, you can get the current
posted report, any comments that have been entered to date, and a
digest.  Examples:

https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-08-21.json
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-07-17.json

If you post an updated report and include the previous digest, and the
digest matches the current digest, then the board agenda tool will
replace the report.  The reporter tool could then become the "go to"
place for PMC members (including non chairs and non ASF members) to
view and interact with the board.  I could even open up the posting of
comments endpoint for PMC members to add their own comments to their
own report.



This is all very awesome, thank your for enabling this! :)

I'm thinking this would be a great thing in the long run, and I'll work 
towards letting users deal with replacing/diffing in case of a report 
already having been filed, though it may take a while to come up with a 
proper way to handle this.


For starters, I'm going to replace the current reporter tool with the 
new wizard, and then work towards better interaction with whimsy in the 
coming month (I think the new tool is good to go as is, but will work on 
adding your new features to it).




Further down the road, a similar tool could be developed for podlings.


Yes, the only main difference is that podlings are not in the committee 
database. Sowe just need to fetch some info elsewhere, and then most 
of the new tool would be accessible by podlings. Then we'd figure out 
how to "post to the combined incubator report".




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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Sam Ruby]

Now that posting of reports is (mostly?) working, possible future enhancement.

Currently, the wizard is targeting initial development of the report,
possibly collaboratively.  However, once posted, you need to use
either the whimsy board agenda tool or svn directly to make updates,
and to see and respond to comments.

If you fetch the board agenda in json format, you can get the current
posted report, any comments that have been entered to date, and a
digest.  Examples:

https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-08-21.json
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/2019-07-17.json

If you post an updated report and include the previous digest, and the
digest matches the current digest, then the board agenda tool will
replace the report.  The reporter tool could then become the "go to"
place for PMC members (including non chairs and non ASF members) to
view and interact with the board.  I could even open up the posting of
comments endpoint for PMC members to add their own comments to their
own report.

Further down the road, a similar tool could be developed for podlings.

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Daniel Gruno]

On 8/2/19 5:59 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:



On 8/1/2019 11:32 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 8/1/19 6:23 PM, Joan Touzet wrote:



I've seen wizards that would present all the info on a single page, but
collapse each section as it loses focus / scroll is done / "next" button
is pressed. Users could manually expand each section, or press a "Expand
all sections" button to keep everything visible at once?

Still at the early stages (mostly, I am missing feedback from 
directors on what the various sections could/should contain so I can 
provide snippets), but.. take a look at:
https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/unified.html (force a refresh to 
get the fresh JS/CSS please, things change!)


This is a unified editor with just one big textarea for the report, 
using some HTML hoodoo to figure out where in the report you are 
currently looking/editing and provide you with assistance in the right 
hand panel in turn. The end compiler/checker is also more helpful now 
and allows for custom sections (permitted they follow the "## 
Section:" syntax).


Hope this is more along the lines y'all were thinking of :)
Should work with both FF, Chrome and Safari, BUT there is a bug in 
current FireFox that ruins the undo/redo when you access size 
dimensions in a textarea...so, beware.


I like it!

Are the requirements for at least X characters in some sections a board 
requirement? I dislike those because they sometimes force writing of 
meaningless filler just to get to the required count.


No, strictly "something comdev thinks a report should have".
it's defined in 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/reporter.apache.org/trunk/site/wizard/steps.json 
, and anyone from comdev can make adjustments to criteria as they see 
fit :) (tweak or remove the minchars attributes)





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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Sam Ruby]

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:00 PM Patricia Shanahan  wrote:
>
> On 8/1/2019 11:32 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> > On 8/1/19 6:23 PM, Joan Touzet wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I've seen wizards that would present all the info on a single page, but
> >> collapse each section as it loses focus / scroll is done / "next" button
> >> is pressed. Users could manually expand each section, or press a "Expand
> >> all sections" button to keep everything visible at once?
> >>
> > Still at the early stages (mostly, I am missing feedback from directors
> > on what the various sections could/should contain so I can provide
> > snippets), but.. take a look at:
> > https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/unified.html (force a refresh to get
> > the fresh JS/CSS please, things change!)
> >
> > This is a unified editor with just one big textarea for the report,
> > using some HTML hoodoo to figure out where in the report you are
> > currently looking/editing and provide you with assistance in the right
> > hand panel in turn. The end compiler/checker is also more helpful now
> > and allows for custom sections (permitted they follow the "## Section:"
> > syntax).
> >
> > Hope this is more along the lines y'all were thinking of :)
> > Should work with both FF, Chrome and Safari, BUT there is a bug in
> > current FireFox that ruins the undo/redo when you access size dimensions
> > in a textarea...so, beware.
>
> I like it!
>
> Are the requirements for at least X characters in some sections a board
> requirement? I dislike those because they sometimes force writing of
> meaningless filler just to get to the required count.

Will reporter warn if there are lines which go beyond column 80?  And
if so, will it assist with reflowing?

If it helps, look for a static text method in class Flow in the
following script:

https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/app.js

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Patricia Shanahan]

On 8/1/2019 11:32 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 8/1/19 6:23 PM, Joan Touzet wrote:



I've seen wizards that would present all the info on a single page, but
collapse each section as it loses focus / scroll is done / "next" button
is pressed. Users could manually expand each section, or press a "Expand
all sections" button to keep everything visible at once?

Still at the early stages (mostly, I am missing feedback from directors 
on what the various sections could/should contain so I can provide 
snippets), but.. take a look at:
https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/unified.html (force a refresh to get 
the fresh JS/CSS please, things change!)


This is a unified editor with just one big textarea for the report, 
using some HTML hoodoo to figure out where in the report you are 
currently looking/editing and provide you with assistance in the right 
hand panel in turn. The end compiler/checker is also more helpful now 
and allows for custom sections (permitted they follow the "## Section:" 
syntax).


Hope this is more along the lines y'all were thinking of :)
Should work with both FF, Chrome and Safari, BUT there is a bug in 
current FireFox that ruins the undo/redo when you access size dimensions 
in a textarea...so, beware.


I like it!

Are the requirements for at least X characters in some sections a board 
requirement? I dislike those because they sometimes force writing of 
meaningless filler just to get to the required count.



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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Daniel Gruno]

On 8/1/19 6:23 PM, Joan Touzet wrote:



I've seen wizards that would present all the info on a single page, but
collapse each section as it loses focus / scroll is done / "next" button
is pressed. Users could manually expand each section, or press a "Expand
all sections" button to keep everything visible at once?

Still at the early stages (mostly, I am missing feedback from directors 
on what the various sections could/should contain so I can provide 
snippets), but.. take a look at:
https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/unified.html (force a refresh to get 
the fresh JS/CSS please, things change!)


This is a unified editor with just one big textarea for the report, 
using some HTML hoodoo to figure out where in the report you are 
currently looking/editing and provide you with assistance in the right 
hand panel in turn. The end compiler/checker is also more helpful now 
and allows for custom sections (permitted they follow the "## Section:" 
syntax).


Hope this is more along the lines y'all were thinking of :)
Should work with both FF, Chrome and Safari, BUT there is a bug in 
current FireFox that ruins the undo/redo when you access size dimensions 
in a textarea...so, beware.


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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Joan Touzet]

On 2019-08-01 11:06, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 8/1/19 2:19 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
>> I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects,
>> and should be available as a choice.
>>
>> However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter
>> gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the
>> whole report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.
>>
>> If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an
>> option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking
>> through all the windows.
>>
>> It would be better to present the help text for each window in a
>> separate text area, so that it can remain visible after there is
>> actual content.
> 
> I can definitely see your arguments/frustrations, and a unified option
> would be a great addition - it will be tricky to cram all that
> information into a single text box though, and will likely require a lot
> of logic to figure out where in the report you are, and what assistance
> you need, so as to not display everything all at once and overwhelm the
> layout (and the user). So I opted for the steps as a good starting
> point. That is not to say the unified editing can't be done, but it
> would take a while to figure out how to go about setting it all up,
> graphically and logically.
> 
> I have some ideas on the drawing board myself for this, but if anyone
> has any concrete ideas on how to solve this, I'd be happy to hear from
> you :)

As I said on board@ I agree with Patricia here :)

I've seen wizards that would present all the info on a single page, but
collapse each section as it loses focus / scroll is done / "next" button
is pressed. Users could manually expand each section, or press a "Expand
all sections" button to keep everything visible at once?

>> On 7/31/2019 9:06 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>> On 8/1/19 2:54 AM, Christopher wrote:
 Pretty neat.

 Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for
 community review).
 Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
 draft saved by another?
>>>
>>> It's being worked on, though there are some considerations to
>>> consider first (so we don't end up with a too-many-chefs issue).
>>>
 Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
 auto-populated to be answered in the current report.
>>>
>>> Also in the works, we just have to figure out some permission issues
>>> here, as we'd be pulling the data from whimsy.
>>>

 On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno 
 wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some
> of the
> most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
> auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very
> well)
> and have thus far come up with this new wizard:
>
> https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/
>
> It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on
> a PMC
> of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features
> that
> aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional
> helper
> text).
>
> I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am
> stringly
> contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this
> (but
> keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old
> to the
> new.
>
> Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
> Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Daniel Gruno]

On 8/1/19 2:19 PM, Patricia Shanahan wrote:
I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects, 
and should be available as a choice.


However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter 
gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the 
whole report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.


If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an 
option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking 
through all the windows.


It would be better to present the help text for each window in a 
separate text area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual 
content.


I can definitely see your arguments/frustrations, and a unified option 
would be a great addition - it will be tricky to cram all that 
information into a single text box though, and will likely require a lot 
of logic to figure out where in the report you are, and what assistance 
you need, so as to not display everything all at once and overwhelm the 
layout (and the user). So I opted for the steps as a good starting 
point. That is not to say the unified editing can't be done, but it 
would take a while to figure out how to go about setting it all up, 
graphically and logically.


I have some ideas on the drawing board myself for this, but if anyone 
has any concrete ideas on how to solve this, I'd be happy to hear from 
you :)




On 7/31/2019 9:06 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 8/1/19 2:54 AM, Christopher wrote:

Pretty neat.

Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for 
community review).

Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
draft saved by another?


It's being worked on, though there are some considerations to consider 
first (so we don't end up with a too-many-chefs issue).



Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
auto-populated to be answered in the current report.


Also in the works, we just have to figure out some permission issues 
here, as we'd be pulling the data from whimsy.




On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  
wrote:


Hi folks,
I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of 
the

most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very 
well)

and have thus far come up with this new wizard:

https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/

It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a 
PMC

of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional 
helper

text).

I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am 
stringly
contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this 
(but
keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to 
the

new.

Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.

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Daniel.

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Jacques Le Roux]

I tested it too,

That sounds like good ideas to me Patricia.

Jacques

Le 01/08/2019 à 14:19, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :

I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects, and 
should be available as a choice.

However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the whole 
report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.


If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking through 
all the windows.


It would be better to present the help text for each window in a separate text 
area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual content.

On 7/31/2019 9:06 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 8/1/19 2:54 AM, Christopher wrote:

Pretty neat.

Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for community review).
Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
draft saved by another?


It's being worked on, though there are some considerations to consider first 
(so we don't end up with a too-many-chefs issue).


Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
auto-populated to be answered in the current report.


Also in the works, we just have to figure out some permission issues here, as 
we'd be pulling the data from whimsy.



On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  wrote:


Hi folks,
I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of the
most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very well)
and have thus far come up with this new wizard:

https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/

It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a PMC
of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional helper
text).

I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am stringly
contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this (but
keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to the
new.

Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.

With regards,
Daniel.

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Patricia Shanahan]

I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects, 
and should be available as a choice.


However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter 
gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the 
whole report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces.


If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an 
option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking 
through all the windows.


It would be better to present the help text for each window in a 
separate text area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual 
content.


On 7/31/2019 9:06 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:

On 8/1/19 2:54 AM, Christopher wrote:

Pretty neat.

Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for community 
review).

Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
draft saved by another?


It's being worked on, though there are some considerations to consider 
first (so we don't end up with a too-many-chefs issue).



Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
auto-populated to be answered in the current report.


Also in the works, we just have to figure out some permission issues 
here, as we'd be pulling the data from whimsy.




On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  
wrote:


Hi folks,
I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of the
most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very well)
and have thus far come up with this new wizard:

https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/

It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a PMC
of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional helper
text).

I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am stringly
contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this (but
keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to the
new.

Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.

With regards,
Daniel.

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Daniel Gruno]

On 8/1/19 2:54 AM, Christopher wrote:

Pretty neat.

Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for community review).
Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
draft saved by another?


It's being worked on, though there are some considerations to consider 
first (so we don't end up with a too-many-chefs issue).



Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
auto-populated to be answered in the current report.


Also in the works, we just have to figure out some permission issues 
here, as we'd be pulling the data from whimsy.




On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  wrote:


Hi folks,
I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of the
most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very well)
and have thus far come up with this new wizard:

https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/

It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a PMC
of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional helper
text).

I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am stringly
contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this (but
keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to the
new.

Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.

With regards,
Daniel.

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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Christopher]

Pretty neat.

Could add a send draft to list feature (private@ or dev@ for community review).
Does it support editing by multiple people? Can one person resume a
draft saved by another?
Would be nice to have questions from the previous board feedback
auto-populated to be answered in the current report.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of the
> most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
> auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very well)
> and have thus far come up with this new wizard:
>
> https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/
>
> It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a PMC
> of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
> aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional helper
> text).
>
> I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am stringly
> contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this (but
> keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to the
> new.
>
> Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
> Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
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Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!

[Sam Ruby]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 3:34 PM Daniel Gruno  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
> I've been working on a new board report tool to help address some of the
> most common issues with the current tool (mainly that it favors
> auto-inserted metrics over the story and doesn't guide people very well)
> and have thus far come up with this new wizard:
>
> https://reporter.apache.org/wizard/
>
> It's open to all committers to review, though easiest if you're on a PMC
> of some sort. There are some ideas being brewed, and some features that
> aren't complete (such as the draft/publish buttons and additional helper
> text).
>
> I'd like people to take a look, and provide some feedback. I am stringly
> contemplating either replacing the existing reporter tool with this (but
> keeping the getjson.py which powers both), or a link from the old to the
> new.
>
> Anyway, feedback is most welcome!
> Things will probably change as we go along and feedback comes in.

Suggestion: show the people who are contributing to the report
comments that were made against previous reports.  The whimsy board
agenda tool makes these comments available at
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/agenda/json/historical-comments
(currently only available to officers and members, but comments on a
specific report should be fine to share with members of the PMC in
question).

- Sam Ruby

> With regards,
> Daniel.
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