Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Karl Weber wrote: Hi Frank, Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 15:42 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I might not have all the necessary time, but if nobody else volunteers for the dev part, then count me in. (But be warned that I seldom can resist giving UX-related comments :) There does not seem to be much interest in ux and qa... :-( Hello Karl, I've been following along and thinking about offering to do the QA tasks on this. Two reasons for hesitation where - my current time commitments. Looks look I will have a bit more time for OOo over the next months.. - well, I have never done exactly this before and need to ask Chris Lukasis (and/or Frank I suppose) regarding exactly what actions are expected of the QA resource for this type of feature addition. I have a good idea, but just want to be sure. However - I think I can commit to the QA role. ( with a slight caveat that I still need go over details with the QA team leaders ) Best wishes, Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Drew Jensen wrote: Karl Weber wrote: Hi Frank, Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 15:42 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I might not have all the necessary time, but if nobody else volunteers for the dev part, then count me in. (But be warned that I seldom can resist giving UX-related comments :) There does not seem to be much interest in ux and qa... :-( Hello Karl, I've been following along and thinking about offering to do the QA tasks on this. Two reasons for hesitation where - my current time commitments. Looks look I will have a bit more time for OOo over the next months.. - well, I have never done exactly this before and need to ask Chris Lukasis (and/or Frank I suppose) regarding exactly what actions are expected of the QA resource for this type of feature addition. I have a good idea, but just want to be sure. However - I think I can commit to the QA role. ( with a slight caveat that I still need go over details with the QA team leaders ) hello karl, frank and drew, i will overtake the ux part and support drew in his qa role .. please give me a little time to overview the project; my suggestion: let us overthink the project and start next monday with our new team. thx bye chris http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Clu Best wishes, Drew - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi Karl, There does not seem to be much interest in ux and qa... :-( As Liz said, it might indeed be possible that especially UX is on the Cebit ... I have finished a first version of a specification. Lots of details are still missing. I didn't pay, for example, any attention to accessibility yet. However, the first version has enough content (23 pages) to see how I think the new filter dialogue could -- and should -- work. Before I continue, I would like to get some feedback. Maybe my ideas are in complete disagreement with the expectations of the community. So how should we proceed? Shall I stop and move the first version to /dev/null since I do not have a complete i-team, or should I upload it somewhere and wait for being bashed? ;-) The latter :) In case you suggest the latter, how and where should this version of the spec be announced? Did you do this as Writer doc, or do you plan to do it in the Wiki? In the first case, you should find a place. For announcements, annou...@specs.openoffice.org is the ... intended place, though ... I've rarely seen anybody using it, so I in fact suggest to do the announcement in us...@dba and disc...@ux (though feedback/discussion should happen in one list only, us...@dba preferrably). Anyway, I think I should stop now and wait for feedback. Thanks Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer frank.schoenh...@sun.com - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Base http://dba.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Am Montag, 9. März 2009 13:57 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: In case you suggest the latter, how and where should this version of the spec be announced? Did you do this as Writer doc, or do you plan to do it in the Wiki? In the first case, you should find a place. I have used OpenOffice.org Software Specification Template and thus I have a Writer document. There is the specification wiki that says one should put the spec (even if preliminary) online on http://specs.openoffice.org... but how do I? On this page I cannot find any hint. -Karl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Am Montag, 9. März 2009 21:10 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, I have used OpenOffice.org Software Specification Template and thus I have a Writer document. There is the specification wiki that says one should put the spec (even if preliminary) online on http://specs.openoffice.org... but how do I? On this page I cannot find any hint. Sigh ... one reason I prefer the Wiki ... You need CVS access to the ¨specs¨ project. Since I cannot grant you this, and I am not even sure the project is still alive ... I could offer you CVS access to the DBA project, so you can commit your spec (still using CVS) to http://dba.openoffice.org/specifications/index.html. Well, I just wanted to apologise for the false alarm since I managed to upload the file to http://specs.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList The document should be visible to other users once the project owner (Christian Jansen) has approved the file. If the project is dead it cannot be for long since the last spec was approved on February 19, 2009. I guess it is better now to wait and see if it gets approved. If not, then I would have to try the CVS. I will announce the spec as soon as it is visible to the public. -Karl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi Frank, Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 15:42 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I might not have all the necessary time, but if nobody else volunteers for the dev part, then count me in. (But be warned that I seldom can resist giving UX-related comments :) There does not seem to be much interest in ux and qa... :-( I have finished a first version of a specification. Lots of details are still missing. I didn't pay, for example, any attention to accessibility yet. However, the first version has enough content (23 pages) to see how I think the new filter dialogue could -- and should -- work. Before I continue, I would like to get some feedback. Maybe my ideas are in complete disagreement with the expectations of the community. So how should we proceed? Shall I stop and move the first version to /dev/null since I do not have a complete i-team, or should I upload it somewhere and wait for being bashed? ;-) In case you suggest the latter, how and where should this version of the spec be announced? Anyway, I think I should stop now and wait for feedback. -Karl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi Karl, So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I might not have all the necessary time, but if nobody else volunteers for the dev part, then count me in. (But be warned that I seldom can resist giving UX-related comments :) On [2] I found some other things that need to be done/checked before I start: In general, do not impose too much meaning into those requirements (but don't cite me on that :). Ts. Didn't I say don't cite me on that? :) Ciao Frank -- - Frank Schönheit, Software Engineer frank.schoenh...@sun.com - - Sun Microsystems http://www.sun.com/staroffice - - OpenOffice.org Base http://dba.openoffice.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi Frank, Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2009 15:42 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I might not have all the necessary time, but if nobody else volunteers for the dev part, then count me in. (But be warned that I seldom can resist giving UX-related comments :) This will be welcome. I think ux is an important part and the one I am the least sure about. (But things may always turn out otherwise...) If ux doesn't answer until tomorrow I will resend the mail to discuss...@ux. They say one should do so if there is no answer from requ...@ux within a couple of days. Ts. Didn't I say don't cite me on that? :) Sorry! -Karl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
[dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi, I offered and would like to write a specification concerning Base. As I understand the procedures this would only make sense if I had an i-team, which I currently lack. So please read on, as I need a member of dev, ux and qa. I hope, this is the proper approach to find these members. Anyway, I don't know any other way. Please excuse me if I did it wrong. In order to introduce the project I will write something about (1) What is the subject of the specification (2) What should be improved (3) What the specification should describe (4) What I think I can offer OOo Since the spec affects Base (dba), maybe answers to this mail should be addressed to d...@dba? (Ad 1) As far as I know, there is no issue, but only the description of a developer project in [1] [1] http://dba.openoffice.org/development/projects.html#new_filter (Ad 2) Currently Base has two filters: (a) The filter dialog, used to filter rows of a table or query shown in the data source browser. It is also used to add a filter in the properties dialog of a form (at design time). (b) The filter navigator used to filter rows displayed in a table controll of a form (at runtime). Both of these filters are quite different with respect to capability and user interface. At least to me this was quite confusing at the beginning. The specification should have the following objectives: (A) Unify the user interface, i.e. describe a user interface for a new filter dialog that can (and should) replace both, the old filter dialog and the filter navigator. (B) Enhance the functionality of the filter so that it will also meet the requirements of power users. It should be possible to define filters with more complex filter conditions. (C) Provide a dialog that is easier to use. (D) Provide a dialog that is more intuitive to use. Well, (D) may turn out to be problematic, since I don't know any way about how to measure intuitiveness. (Ad 3) The specification should... (a) Describe the logical structure of the filter without any regard to the user interface. This will precisely describe the functionality of the filter. This should support implementation and testing. (b) Describe the user dialog, i.e. the interaction of the user with the user interface. (c) Describe each dialog window in detail (layout, properties of the controls etc.) (Did I miss anything?) (Ad 4) I have more than ten years of experience with enterprise software. I am browsing tables almost on a daily basis. Thus, I think I have a good understanding of what a (power) user needs and wants. On the other hand, I don't know the source code of OOo and I do not plan to implement the new filter dialog. This is one reason why I also need a developer in the i-team (which need not be the person to actually implement the filter later). I am not familiar with the procedures with OOo projects. Thus, I need some support in this regard. Since writing this specification will require some effort on my side, I wouldn't like it to be in vain. So I hope to find the necessary support (i.e. an i-team) so that the new filter will likely be integrated into OOo in the not so distant future... -Karl Am Sonntag, 1. März 2009 23:02 schrieb Frank Schönheit - Sun Microsystems Germany: Hi Karl, So I _could_ start...? Definitely. Of course the more people you involve, especially from UX the more chances the specified changes will ever become reality :) (And of course, the more people you involve, the more difficult it will become due to the lot of different opinions :) I guess I have to use the specification template for Writer. Matter of taste. Personally, I find writing specifications in the Wiki more difficult with regard to the involved work in actually writing, on the other hand, the Wiki has its advantages (the online version is always up-to-date, corrections/additions can easily be made by other parties, etc.). The Wiki template can be found at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Specification_Template (unfortunately not linked from http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Specification). On [2] I found some other things that need to be done/checked before I start: In general, do not impose too much meaning into those requirements (but don't cite me on that :). (-- denotes a quote) --Q1 [Feature/Enhancement] --Does an unambiguously clear feature or enhancement request exists? Well, does one exist? I hope the description in [1] is enough to fullfill this request. If not, what has to be done? For this item, like for the others, the following holds: It is *one* possible mean to ensure a certain pre-requisite. There are other means, and case-depending, you might choose one of the others. (That's my personal interpretation, but it worked well in the past :) What this requirement wants to ensure is that all involved parties have the same understanding of the goal. In fact, this requirement is *very*
Re: [dba-dev] Need i-team for specification [was [dba-dev] New Filter Dialog]
Hi Karl, just wanted to let you know that I think your effort is great, hope you find a developer who can help you out. I'm totally packed with other stuff, so I cannot be the one, sorry. [1] http://dba.openoffice.org/development/projects.html#new_filter @FS: there is syntax highlighting still on that page, would you remove it, please? Best regards Max - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@dba.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@dba.openoffice.org
