Re: Flash finally dead?
If this is really the case, then wouldn't it be best if adobe simply donates Flash to the community? On Mar 5, 2013 10:55 PM, "Federico Jakimowicz" wrote: > After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I > don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of > the FlashPlayer. This is really sad. >
Re: Flash finally dead?
I don't see it. He has been given the job of getting flash users to use muse and for him to contribute to web standards. He is still giving a talk on scout. On Mar 6, 2013 7:55 AM, "Federico Jakimowicz" wrote: > After reading Thibault's statements on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 I > don't have any other thing to think that he is stating the death hour of > the FlashPlayer. This is really sad. >
Re: Flash finally dead?
Hi, Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating AS to JS compilation. Thanks, Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Hi, Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially services side. Thanks Avinash Y On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just > read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if > Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 > years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating > AS to JS compilation. > > Thanks, > Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Here is the wiki posts on one approach to JS conversion: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype On 3/5/13 10:37 PM, "Avinash Narayanan" wrote: > Hi, > > Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard > time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project > in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something > mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I > have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize > for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if > that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be > the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and > few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially > services side. > > Thanks > Avinash Y > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just >> read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if >> Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 >> years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively investigating >> AS to JS compilation. >> >> Thanks, >> Justin -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flash finally dead?
Avinash, each company is different. Mine is currently looking to hire close to 6 more ActionScript developers. On Mar 6, 2013 8:38 AM, "Avinash Narayanan" wrote: > Hi, > > Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard > time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project > in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something > mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I > have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I apologize > for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially if > that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll be > the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and > few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially > services side. > > Thanks > Avinash Y > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean >wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just > > read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even if > > Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 > > years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively > investigating > > AS to JS compilation. > > > > Thanks, > > Justin >
Re: Flash finally dead?
lucky you...here we have 2 options. learn JS, jQuery or leave. Thanks Avinash Y On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Avi Kessner wrote: > Avinash, each company is different. Mine is currently looking to hire > close to 6 more ActionScript developers. > On Mar 6, 2013 8:38 AM, "Avinash Narayanan" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Just want to give an organizational perspective on this. Am having a hard > > time convincing customers as it is to do even a desktop based app project > > in flex simply because they're shit scared Adobe will do something > > mindblowingly inconsiderate to flex like taking off flash support etc. I > > have not been following the group emails for a few months now (I > apologize > > for that) but if this AS to JS conversion becomes a reality. Especially > if > > that is going to get done by the browser automatically as a plugin, I'll > be > > the first one to cheer and get back on the band wagon. The last year and > > few months has been horrible for us flex developers in MNCs especially > > services side. > > > > Thanks > > Avinash Y > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Justin Mclean > >wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Not really to do with Flex development but I'll post a reply. I'd just > > > read that that his role has changed inside Adobe. IMO worse case even > if > > > Adobe totally abandoned Flash tomorrow we would have some time (3 or 4 > > > years) before it wasn't in common use. Flex is also actively > > investigating > > > AS to JS compilation. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > >
Re: Flash finally dead?
Hi, Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the ASF works. Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things into perspective? http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp Thanks, Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you know that Flash is in trouble. 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > Hi, > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the > ASF works. > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things > into perspective? > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > Thanks, > Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Perhaps if it was his own free will causing him to praise Javascript rather than his new job description. My friend likes to encourage other people that flash is dying, because then he gets more business for his studio when there are fewer developers to compete with. brought to you by the letters A, V, and I and the number 47 On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM, Alain Ekambi wrote: > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > >> Hi, >> >> Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control >> over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the >> ASF works. >> >> Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on >> the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things >> into perspective? >> >> http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ >> >> http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp >> >> Thanks, >> Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of his job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to projects that need evangelizing On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then you > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > Hi, > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how > the > > ASF works. > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things > > into perspective? > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > Thanks, > > Justin >
Re: Flash finally dead?
And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready http://topcoat.io/ 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of his > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to projects > that need evangelizing > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then > you > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no > control > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how > > the > > > ASF works. > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things > > > into perspective? > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Justin > > >
Re: Flash finally dead?
In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think in older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new framework will have the potential for multiple outputs. IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. If is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML nowadays). If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the flash runtime for my perfect... 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of > his > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > projects > > that need evangelizing > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML then > > you > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no > > control > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's > how > > > the > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA > on > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put > things > > > > into perspective? > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Justin > > > > > > -- Carlos Rovira Director de Tecnología M: +34 607 22 60 05 F: +34 912 94 80 80 http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
@Carlos I agree But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling down to JS. Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think in > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new framework > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. If > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML nowadays). > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue of > > his > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > > projects > > > that need evangelizing > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" wrote: > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML > then > > > you > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no > > > control > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's > > how > > > > the > > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon > NA > > on > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put > > things > > > > > into perspective? > > > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > Director de Tecnología > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > http://www.codeoscopic.com > http://www.directwriter.es > http://www.avant2.es >
Re: Flash finally dead?
Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout declaration? Thanks in advance 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > @Carlos > I agree > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling down > to JS. > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of Flex > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I think > in > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new > framework > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. > If > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > nowadays). > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in the > > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue > of > > > his > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > > > projects > > > > that need evangelizing > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" > wrote: > > > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising JavaScript/HTML > > then > > > > you > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no > > > > control > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. > That's > > > how > > > > > the > > > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon > > NA > > > on > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put > > > things > > > > > > into perspective? > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > Director de Tecnología > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > > http://www.directwriter.es > > http://www.avant2.es > > > -- Carlos Rovira Director de Tecnología M: +34 607 22 60 05 F: +34 912 94 80 80 http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.directwriter.es http://www.avant2.es
Re: Flash finally dead?
@Carlos There is no such JS library. But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? That s what i m asking myself. I dont see none. 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > declaration? > > Thanks in advance > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > @Carlos > > I agree > > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling > down > > to JS. > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of > Flex > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I > think > > in > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new > > framework > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us as > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the platform. > > If > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage to > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > > nowadays). > > > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in > the > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by virtue > > of > > > > his > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > > > > projects > > > > > that need evangelizing > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising > JavaScript/HTML > > > then > > > > > you > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has > no > > > > > control > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. > > That's > > > > how > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at > ApacheCon > > > NA > > > > on > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can > put > > > > things > > > > > > > into perspective? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Carlos Rovira > > > Director de Tecnología > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > > > http://www.directwriter.es > > > http://www.avant2.es > > > > > > > > > -- > Carlos Rovira > Director de Tecnología > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > http://www.codeoscopic.com > http://www.directwriter.es > http://www.avant2.es >
Re: Flash finally dead?
Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in *development* terms. One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time making it to work together. That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try to be the only one option out there. 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > @Carlos > There is no such JS library. > > > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? > That s what i m asking myself. > > I dont see none. > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > > declaration? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > @Carlos > > > I agree > > > > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling > > down > > > to JS. > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of > > Flex > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I > > think > > > in > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new > > > framework > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > > > > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us > as > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the > platform. > > > If > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage > to > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > > > nowadays). > > > > > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in > > the > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > > > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by > virtue > > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > > > > > projects > > > > > > that need evangelizing > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising > > JavaScript/HTML > > > > then > > > > > > you > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has > > no > > > > > > control > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. > > > That's > > > > > how > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at > > ApacheCon > > > > NA > > > > > on > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can > > put > > > > > things > > > > > > > > into perspective? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Justin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Carlos Rovira > > > > Director de Tecnología > > > > M: +34 607 22 60 05 > > > > F: +34 912 94 80 80 > > > > http://www.codeoscopic.com > > > > http://www.directwriter.es > > > > http://www.avant2.es > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carlos Rovira > > Director de Tecnología > > M: +
Re: Flash finally dead?
just one question For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe air wich allow to make some native extension etc... What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ? The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse 85% of the code :/ On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have > resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as > many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, > JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all > people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better > platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are > comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is > dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it > play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing > with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in > *development* terms. > > One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the > code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS > you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people > and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time > making it to work together. > > That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and success > in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try to > be the only one option out there. > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > @Carlos > > There is no such JS library. > > > > > > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit > > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler > > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? > > That s what i m asking myself. > > > > I dont see none. > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms in > > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > > > declaration? > > > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > > > @Carlos > > > > I agree > > > > > > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and compiling > > > down > > > > to JS. > > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits of > > > Flex > > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I > > > think > > > > in > > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new > > > > framework > > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives us > > as > > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the > > platform. > > > > If > > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they manage > > to > > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > > > > nowadays). > > > > > > > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had > in > > > the > > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > > > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > > > > > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by > > virtue > > > > of > > > > > > his > > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them > to > > > > > > projects > > > > > > > that need evangelizing > > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2013 8:55 AM, "Alain Ekambi" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It s when you see the core Flash engineer praising > > > JavaScript/HTML > > > > > then > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > know that Flash is in trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Justin Mclean > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company > has > > > no > > > > > > > control > > > > > > > > > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) > contribute. > > > > That's > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > ASF works. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at > > > ApacheCon > > > > > NA > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it > can > > > put > > > > > > things > > > > > > >
Re: Flash finally dead?
From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197 Air going to continue for support new ios and android OSes -Message d'origine- From: Edouard Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? just one question For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe air wich allow to make some native extension etc... What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ? The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse 85% of the code :/ On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in *development* terms. One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time making it to work together. That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try to be the only one option out there. 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > @Carlos > There is no such JS library. > > > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? > That s what i m asking myself. > > I dont see none. > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/plataforms > > in > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > > declaration? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > @Carlos > > > I agree > > > > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > > compiling > > down > > > to JS. > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > > > > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits > > > > of > > Flex > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I > > think > > > in > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new > > > framework > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. > > > > > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives > > > > us > as > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the > platform. > > > If > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > > > > manage > to > > > > produce what we need (still think this is not possible with HTML > > > nowadays). > > > > > > > > If HTML5/JS get evolve (and I think it will) to support all we had in > > the > > > > flash runtime for my perfect... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > > > > > > > > > And it looks like Adobe has something in the pipeline allready > > > > > > > > > > http://topcoat.io/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2013/3/6 aYo ~ > > > > > > > > > > > Je vous écoutez Alain mais Thibaut I think has to do this by > virtue > > > of > > > > > his > > > > > > job. Standard adobe practice, take the brightest and push them to > > > > > projects > > > > > > that need eva
Re: Flash finally dead?
AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for support > new ios and android OSes > > -Message d'origine- From: Edouard > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > > just one question > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ? > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse > 85% of the code :/ > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in >> *development* terms. >> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time >> making it to work together. >> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and >> success >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try >> to >> be the only one option out there. >> >> >> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> >> > @Carlos >> > There is no such JS library. >> > >> > >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? >> > That s what i m asking myself. >> > >> > I dont see none. >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira >> > >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to libraries/frameworks/**plataforms >> > > in >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout >> > > declaration? >> > > >> > > Thanks in advance >> > > >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> > > >> > > > @Carlos >> > > > I agree >> > > > >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > > >> compiling >> > > down >> > > > to JS. >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira >> > > > >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits >> > > > > of >> > > Flex >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / JS. I >> > > think >> > > > in >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the new >> > > > framework >> > > > > will have the potential for multiple outputs. >> > > > > >> > > > > IMHO, what keeps us in this Platform are all benefits that gives >> > > > > us >> > as >> > > > > developers (OOP, MXML) and third-party tools that support the >> > platform. >> > > > If >> > > > > is Flash or is HTML sincerily is irrelevant, as long as they > > >> > > manage >> > to >> > > > > produce what we need (still
Re: Flash finally dead?
cobol is dead! NOT really... On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira wrote: > AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... > > 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS > > > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** > > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for > support > > new ios and android OSes > > > > -Message d'origine- From: Edouard > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM > > To: dev@flex.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > > > > > just one question > > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used > > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of > Adobe > > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... > > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile > ? > > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and > reuse > > 85% of the code :/ > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < > > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > > > > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have > >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as > >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, > >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all > >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the > better > >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are > >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is > >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it > >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform > competing > >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in > >> *development* terms. > >> > >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the > >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS > >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different > people > >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time > >> making it to work together. > >> > >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and > >> success > >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try > >> to > >> be the only one option out there. > >> > >> > >> > >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > >> > >> > @Carlos > >> > There is no such JS library. > >> > > >> > > >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit > >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler > >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? > >> > That s what i m asking myself. > >> > > >> > I dont see none. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > >> > > >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to > libraries/frameworks/**plataforms > >> > > in > >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout > >> > > declaration? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks in advance > >> > > > >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi > >> > > > >> > > > @Carlos > >> > > > I agree > >> > > > > >> > > > But at some poin we will need more then the OOP/MXML argument. > >> > > > There are several libaries out there providing the same and > > > > >> compiling > >> > > down > >> > > > to JS. > >> > > > Minus the overhead to add ActionScript to the project. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira > >> > > > > >> > > > > In what concerns us, the important thing is to keep the benefits > >> > > > > of > >> > > Flex > >> > > > > (OOP, MXML, ...) as this produces output to Flash and HTML / > JS. I > >> > > think > >> > > > in > >> > > > > older applications will have to keep running in Flash and the > new >
Re: Flash finally dead?
There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into that blog post). These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a reality sooner rather than later! EdB On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto wrote: > cobol is dead! NOT really... > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira > wrote: > >> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... >> >> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS >> >> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** >> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for >> support >> > new ios and android OSes >> > >> > -----Message d'origine- From: Edouard >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM >> > To: dev@flex.apache.org >> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? >> > >> > >> > just one question >> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used >> > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of >> Adobe >> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... >> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile >> ? >> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and >> reuse >> > 85% of the code :/ >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < >> > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: >> > >> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have >> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as >> >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, >> >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all >> >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the >> better >> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are >> >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is >> >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it >> >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform >> competing >> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in >> >> *development* terms. >> >> >> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the >> >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS >> >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different >> people >> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time >> >> making it to work together. >> >> >> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and >> >> success >> >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try >> >> to >> >> be the only one option out there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> >> >> >> > @Carlos >> >> > There is no such JS library. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit >> >> > So if Flex turns out to be another JS cross compiler >> >> > What would be the benefit of Flex over the above ? >> >> > That s what i m asking myself. >> >> > >> >> > I dont see none. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira >> >> > >> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to >> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms >> >> > > in >> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML layout >> >> > > declaration? >> >> > > >> >> > > Thanks in advance >> >> > > >> >> > > 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> >> > > >> >> > > > @Carlos >> >> > > > I agree >> >> > > > >
Re: Flash finally dead?
I never respond to threads like this but... Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the last two years, you would know I have said this. Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to deployment. What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you think any of this is going to change? What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript, other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts loosely typed, this is a proven fact. If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence. Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions" that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary chain. The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options. Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said it before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what it can be in the future. We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the community instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash? Mike Quoting Erik de Bruin : There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into that blog post). These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a reality sooner rather than later! EdB On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto wrote: cobol is dead! NOT really... On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira wrote: AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for support > new ios and android OSes > > -Message d'origine----- From: Edouard > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > > just one question > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but i used > it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the capabilities of Adobe > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target mobile ? > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app and reuse > 85% of the code :/ > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: > > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to reuse as >> many as you can. Flex is a great development platform nowadays. GWT, >> JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its own flavor. But all >> people here loves Flex because it fits it's needs and thinks is the better >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They are >> comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's output is >> dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of Flex and make it >> play in the HTML5 world...and be the best *development* platform competing >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great before in >> *development* terms. >> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you all the >> code, classes and features you need and work seamless...while in HTML/JS >> you must to search for "scripts" and libraries that makes different people >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many time >> making it to work together. >> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users and >> success >> in the competition...btw, competition is very good and we should not try >> to >> be the only one option out there. >> >> >> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> >> > @Carlos >> > There is no such JS library. >> > >> > >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit >> > So if Flex turns
RE: Flash finally dead?
Hi Erik, Well said! Rgs, Sugan -Original Message- From: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Sent: 06 March 2013 01:04 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into that blog post). These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a reality sooner rather than later! EdB On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto wrote: > cobol is dead! NOT really... > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira > > wrote: > >> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... >> >> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS >> >> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on >> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** >> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for >> support >> > new ios and android OSes >> > >> > -Message d'origine- From: Edouard >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:39 AM >> > To: dev@flex.apache.org >> > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? >> > >> > >> > just one question >> > For me, I didn't use Flex for web application because of Flash but >> > i used it for Mobile App with the performance of fxg and the >> > capabilities of >> Adobe >> > air wich allow to make some native extension etc... >> > What about that, if Flash (and adobe Air ?) is die, how to target >> > mobile >> ? >> > The best thing about Flex was to write desktop / mobile / web app >> > and >> reuse >> > 85% of the code :/ >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Carlos Rovira < >> > carlos.rov...@codeoscopic.com> wrote: >> > >> > Really nothing disruptive, but as you master a technology and have >> >> resources that make you accomplish many tasks you would want to >> >> reuse as many as you can. Flex is a great development platform >> >> nowadays. GWT, JavaFX, Dart seems to be very good as well in its >> >> own flavor. But all people here loves Flex because it fits it's >> >> needs and thinks is the >> better >> >> platform to accomplish their tasks. They love code in Flex. They >> >> are comfortable in this environment. The problem is that it's >> >> output is dying... It could be great to expand the boundaries of >> >> Flex and make it play in the HTML5 world...and be the best >> >> *development* platform >> competing >> >> with the other we mention...while maintain what makes it great >> >> before in >> >> *development* terms. >> >> >> >> One thing nobody talks about Flex is that the platform gives you >> >> all the code, classes and features you need and work >> >> seamless...while in HTML/JS you must to search for "scripts" and >> >> libraries that makes different >> people >> >> and that does not play well together, so you need to invest many >> >> time making it to work together. >> >> >> >> That kind of things is what Flex could leverage for their users >> >> and success in the competition...btw, competition is very good and >> >> we should not try to be the only one option out there. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2013/3/6 Alain Ekambi >> >> >> >> > @Carlos >> >> > There is no such JS library. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > But there is stuff like GWT, Dart ShartKit So if Flex turns out >> >> > to be another JS cross compiler What would be the benefit of >> >> > Flex over the above ? >> >> > That s what i m asking myself. >> >> > >> >> > I dont see none. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2013/3/6 Carlos Rovira >> >> > >> >> > > Hi Alain, please can you point me to >> libraries/frameworks/**plataforms >> >> > > in >> >> > > HTML5/JS that provide us with such benefits? OOP and XML >> >> >
RE: Flash finally dead?
Believe me, already invested money is never an argument for shareholders. The next money is the important thing. No matter what they did yesterday :-). As president you can also look in the right directions where the flowers grow. There is no need to look backwards or in other directions then the shareholders. That's the system.
RE: Flash finally dead?
Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my opinion big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps : 1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making it an overpriced inferior product) 2. Director 3. Flex 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) 6. Freehand 7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life) 8. (fill in the blank) 9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years) Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and that's OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.!!! Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points, don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are not your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you have in your handbag or wallet!!! THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex project / platform. I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I must get back to work! Cheers!! -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? I never respond to threads like this but... Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the last two years, you would know I have said this. Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to deployment. What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you think any of this is going to change? What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript, other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts loosely typed, this is a proven fact. If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence. Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions" that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary chain. The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options. Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said it before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what it can be in the future. We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the community instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash? Mike Quoting Erik de Bruin : > There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache > Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist > or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by > Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into > that blog post). > > These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use > contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for > the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a > reality sooner rather than later! > > EdB > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto wrote: >> cobol is dead! NOT really... >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Carlos Rovira >> >> wrote: >> >>> AIR continues in the scope of Adobe, so no worries...for now... >>> >>> 2013/3/6 Frédéric THOMAS >>> >>> > From what sayed Thibault at the com 26 on >>> > http://www.bytearray.org/?p=** >>> > 5197 <http://www.bytearray.org/?p=5197> Air going to continue for >>> support >>> > new ios and android OSes >>> > >>> > -Message d'origine- From: Edouard >>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 11:3
Re: Flash finally dead?
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: > ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders... > ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what > you have in your handbag or wallet!!!... ... > THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex > project ... Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe folks who are working hard on the Flex project. I guess you might solve the problem with an apology. -Bertrand
Re: Flash finally dead?
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: >> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders... >> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what >> you have in your handbag or wallet!!!... > ... >> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex >> project > ... > > Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe > folks who are working hard on the Flex project. > > I guess you might solve the problem with an apology. +1 Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that? EdB -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
AW: Flash finally dead?
Does Bashir al Assad has a forum? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Erik de Bruin [mailto:e...@ixsoftware.nl] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 6. März 2013 17:13 An: dev@flex.apache.org Betreff: Re: Flash finally dead? > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: >> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders... >> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you >> have in your handbag or wallet!!!... > ... >> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex >> project > ... > > Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe > folks who are working hard on the Flex project. > > I guess you might solve the problem with an apology. +1 Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that? EdB -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: Flash finally dead?
> Does Bashir al Assad has a forum? Must... Not... Feed... Troll... EdB -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
RE: Flash finally dead?
I was being facetious!! I was not venting against anyone, for goodness sake I'm still using Adobe Flex/Flash Builder 4.6 (not sure of the name myself)!! I just find these discussions... "funny" and I was simply saying; if you like Flex, use Flex!! if you like something else or you think Flex is dead "use something else"!! don't follow what someone writes in their blog, because we all have opinions and agendas and if these come at the end of a paycheck that makes us a peon, not a derogatory term, but if the term offended anyone I apologize, I should've said people who get paid to practice, produce and voice what their employers and/or sponsors want in relation to their professional activities. But it's true, I'm glad Flex has left/leaving Adobe, as the owners of a platform I use to make a living even before it was Adobe's, it is "my opinion" they were an unreliable partner and I'm glad it's under the Apache umbrella. But if anyone thinks companies like IBM, Microsoft, Oracle and yes Adobe amongst others donated anything because of their kind hearts or because they have a social conscience, I will strongly disagree with them, while maintaining there's nothing wrong with making money!! I reiterate I'm was stating an opinion not a fact. > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: >> ...Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders... >> ...Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what you >> have in your handbag or wallet!!!... > ... >> THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex >> project > ... > > Now you have a problem with the intersection of the above sets: Adobe > folks who are working hard on the Flex project. > > I guess you might solve the problem with an apology. +1 Don't blame the people, please (peons, really?). Also, maybe the Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that? EdB -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: Flash finally dead?
On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a good description.
Re: Flash finally dead?
On 3/6/2013 12:39 PM, Paul Hastings wrote: On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a good description. ColdFusion has been dead a lot longer than Flash; in fact I think there has been a 'press' article on its death every 6 months for the past 10 years or so. In fact; I've only worked with one tech that wasn't being proclaimed as dying. #MustNotFeedTheTrollsFail -- Jeffry Houser Technical Entrepreneur 203-379-0773 -- http://www.flextras.com?c=104 UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! -- http://www.theflexshow.com http://www.jeffryhouser.com http://www.asktheflexpert.com -- Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
Re: Flash finally dead?
Hi, A naive question/observation could be: if Adobe ever drops Flash Player support (and all the Flash ecosystem), will they contribute the source or will it end the Flash side of Flex (but opening the newly fresh path to JS) ? (I know that there is no answer yet, and my question is totally biased). Add this to the coward business attitude now, and we all get the picture. Adobe is right trying to. But Adobe could be just dropping a jewel without even knowing it (an unsellable jewel, that was initially wrong, think of the 99% of Flash, Nielsen was right in the end and now it is HTML5's turn to suffer on bad design). Also, the Flex project is well shaped to the future bullets, already envisionning the JS routes and so. Good we are all here, glad to see this live and running ... plus: all the digital signage solutions that need dynamic data are still fed with Flash ! (OK, ok, JS too, but ... yeah, seems , ok ok. It will be alright). Apologies to all! Cedric > Hi, > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control over > it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the ASF > works. > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on the > managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things into > perspective? > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > Thanks, > Justin
Re: Flash finally dead?
Trying not to feed it, but maybe trollpinging the summit: Adobe just released a new version of Director so we get to life, we live, we die and we reincarnate ... but we are still allowed to use the right tool for the right need. > On 3/6/2013 12:39 PM, Paul Hastings wrote: >> On 3/6/2013 10:52 PM, Carlos Cruz wrote: >>> 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) >> >> nope, supposedly doing better than ever. "reinvigorated" might be a good >> description. >> > ColdFusion has been dead a lot longer than Flash; in fact I think there has > been a 'press' article on its death every 6 months for the past 10 years or > so. In fact; I've only worked with one tech that wasn't being proclaimed as > dying. > > #MustNotFeedTheTrollsFail > > > > > -- > Jeffry Houser > Technical Entrepreneur > 203-379-0773 > -- > http://www.flextras.com?c=104 > UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready! > -- > http://www.theflexshow.com > http://www.jeffryhouser.com > http://www.asktheflexpert.com > -- > Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust >
Re: Flash finally dead?
A weird, out of context political "statement" on a public list that's meant for the discussion of software development for a specific open source project... that's trolling in my book. Now, be on topic or be gone. Darn, now I've gone and gave it lunch :-( EdB On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Lists wrote: > The term trolling is a strange idea of mostly trolling people. > We are living in a free world. If you don't like what you read- just don't > read it. > >> Does Bashir al Assad has a forum? > > Must... Not... Feed... Troll... > > EdB > > --- > Also, maybe the Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent > your issues with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that? > -- Ix Multimedia Software Jan Luykenstraat 27 3521 VB Utrecht T. 06-51952295 I. www.ixsoftware.nl
Re: Flash finally dead?
The term trolling is a strange idea of mostly trolling people. We are living in a free world. If you don't like what you read- just don't read it. > Does Bashir al Assad has a forum? Must... Not... Feed... Troll... EdB --- Also, maybe the Apache Flex developers list is not the best place to vent your issues with Adobe. Don't they have forums for that?
Re: Flash finally dead?
It is highly doubtful that Adobe will donate Flash Player. A majority of the product is based around 3rd party libraries and licensed software that they don't control. If they do end up donating it, it will look more like the project they open-sourced with Mozilla than what Flash Player looks like today. Either way, it won't be the same product, or even close to, we are used to. -Nick On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Cedric Muller wrote: > Hi, > > A naive question/observation could be: if Adobe ever drops Flash Player > support (and all the Flash ecosystem), will they contribute the source or > will it end the Flash side of Flex (but opening the newly fresh path to JS) > ? (I know that there is no answer yet, and my question is totally biased). > > Add this to the coward business attitude now, and we all get the picture. > Adobe is right trying to. But Adobe could be just dropping a jewel without > even knowing it (an unsellable jewel, that was initially wrong, think of > the 99% of Flash, Nielsen was right in the end and now it is HTML5's turn > to suffer on bad design). Also, the Flex project is well shaped to the > future bullets, already envisionning the JS routes and so. > > Good we are all here, glad to see this live and running ... plus: all the > digital signage solutions that need dynamic data are still fed with Flash ! > (OK, ok, JS too, but ... yeah, seems , ok ok. It will be alright). > > Apologies to all! > > Cedric > > > > Hi, > > > > Flex is an Apache open source project. Adobe as a company has no control > over it but Adobe employees are free to (and do) contribute. That's how the > ASF works. > > > > Slightly off topic but there was a very good session at ApacheCon NA on > the managing the risks of using open source - perhaps it can put things > into perspective? > > > > http://lanyrd.com/2013/apachecon/scbttz/ > > > http://archive.apachecon.com/na2013/presentations/28-Thursday/Community_Over_code/14:45-Managing_Project_Risk_when_using_Open_Source-Nick_Burch.odp > > > > Thanks, > > Justin > >
Re: Flash finally dead?
I believe this has been brought up before, but why are these discussions accepted as part of 'dev'? Most of these conversations end up over time to be the Mark Twain "Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" type. Given the unique controversial nature of flash, should we have a 'discussion' or 'opinion' section like the Wall Street Journal does? I fully endorse the discussions about Flex and Flash death, but I don't see how they are part of development. I'd rather subscribe to a op-ed thread and read it there. I believe the 'spirit' within the group is that these conversations will decline over time, but I personally would rather see them compartmentalized and focused. In engineering, there's a wide chasm between negative feedback that is intended to lead to constructive strategy and action, and negative feedback that is rooted in uninformed doubt. I don't feel that the source of discussions are intended to contribute to development, but rather indulge in speculative fear. That being said, I have 4.9 installed and would like to help out, don't have a lot of time to start with. At this point I'd think I'd be better off with helping docs than bugs, let me know how I can help.
Re: Flash finally dead?
On 3/6/13 10:57 AM, "Joe Kryzak" wrote: > I believe this has been brought up before, but why are these discussions > accepted as part of 'dev'? I know we shouldn't have these conversations on dev, but I let it go because it helps me keep track of what kinds of rumors are out there. > That being said, I have 4.9 installed and would like to help out, don't have a > lot of time to start with. At this point I'd think I'd be better off with > helping docs than bugs, let me know how I can help. > If you want to improve the existing Flex SDK, there are plenty of bugs you can try to fix (including doc bugs) and submit patches in JIRA. You can also try out the FlexJS stuff and provide feedback. There is a link to instructions on how to play with it using flash builder off of this page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
RE: Flash finally dead?
Adobe can't kill Flash without "breaking the web" since the web has so much Flash content. I would expect it to be around for the indefinite future. I worked on Director for 10 years and left it 12 years ago because enthusiasm for it was waning, but it's still going. - Gordon
RE: Flash finally dead?
Really Director still going? Ok that's interesting On Mar 6, 2013 9:28 PM, "Gordon Smith" wrote: > Adobe can't kill Flash without "breaking the web" since the web has so > much Flash content. I would expect it to be around for the indefinite > future. I worked on Director for 10 years and left it 12 years ago because > enthusiasm for it was waning, but it's still going. > > - Gordon > >
RE: Flash finally dead?
I started with Director back in 1995 for 2 years, when I discovered "Future Splash" on MSN, I realized its lightweight would one day make the heavy Director Shockwave obsolete. The I saw Splash became Flash, and its last name went from Macromedia to Adobe. Rest are history. I have yet to be convinced about the future of HTML 5, which has a collection of half-baked standards. It offers an unintuitive OO from a development point of view , and its SVG is still partially based on 1.1 which is dated with subpar text support. While the canvas is nice, it is equivalent to Bitmap object in Flash. Nonetheless, Flash has earned my heart to be the choice for rich content with little growing pain. Most in the world still see web as a flat 2-dimension space, where Flash has already positioned itself way in the future. Sadly, Adobe (not Macromedia) does not see that. Adobe has not been traditionally savvy with interactive media, therefore their PageMill or numerous HTML based apps could never triumph over Macromedia Dreamweaver. Back in 2001, Adobe's SVG Viewer failed to compete with Flash 6. That said, I wish the merger never happened, which indirectly set the Web back ages. Steve Jobs' flash killing move had to do with his revenge against Adobe, not Macromedia. :) When the new Mac OS X came out, it bundled with Flash as standard. However, I still believe Flash has tremendous chance to win. I have been writing mobile applications with Flash, which performs better than PhoneGap, and runs across devices consistently! That's a niche that brought Flash to popularity when Quicktime, WMV and Real Video made video delivery a nightmare. Developers, Youtube and Google Video made Flash the choice of video delivery! Tangent -Original Message- From: aYo ~ [mailto:a...@binitie.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:47 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: RE: Flash finally dead? Really Director still going? Ok that's interesting On Mar 6, 2013 9:28 PM, "Gordon Smith" wrote: > Adobe can't kill Flash without "breaking the web" since the web has so > much Flash content. I would expect it to be around for the indefinite > future. I worked on Director for 10 years and left it 12 years ago > because enthusiasm for it was waning, but it's still going. > > - Gordon > >
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Im just happy to see that people still speak lingo and remember when they switched to verbose style syntax. I keep getting the cross eyed confused looked when i say 'remember director and shockwave?' Flash player isn't going away, lol. Look at ie6... We've TRIED to kill it and the dang thing is still around making our lives hell. It's kinda cute how all of these bloggers dart like fish on bread to new technologies and are the first to throw flash under the bus. Kinda scary when the industry average and the people paying for us to keep developing do the same... I have to admit, I'm very happy to see flex in apache's nest. I know I'll keep working with AS and flex until.. I dunno when? Why stop? Great points on HTML5 and js! ...And splash! Oh the memories :) Ajs Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2013, at 5:18 PM, "Tianzhen Lin" wrote: > I started with Director back in 1995 for 2 years, when I discovered "Future > Splash" on MSN, I realized its lightweight would one day make the heavy > Director Shockwave obsolete. The I saw Splash became Flash, and its last > name went from Macromedia to Adobe. Rest are history. > > I have yet to be convinced about the future of HTML 5, which has a > collection of half-baked standards. It offers an unintuitive OO from a > development point of view , and its SVG is still partially based on 1.1 > which is dated with subpar text support. While the canvas is nice, it is > equivalent to Bitmap object in Flash. > > Nonetheless, Flash has earned my heart to be the choice for rich content > with little growing pain. Most in the world still see web as a flat > 2-dimension space, where Flash has already positioned itself way in the > future. Sadly, Adobe (not Macromedia) does not see that. Adobe has not > been traditionally savvy with interactive media, therefore their PageMill or > numerous HTML based apps could never triumph over Macromedia Dreamweaver. > Back in 2001, Adobe's SVG Viewer failed to compete with Flash 6. > > That said, I wish the merger never happened, which indirectly set the Web > back ages. Steve Jobs' flash killing move had to do with his revenge > against Adobe, not Macromedia. :) When the new Mac OS X came out, it > bundled with Flash as standard. > > However, I still believe Flash has tremendous chance to win. I have been > writing mobile applications with Flash, which performs better than PhoneGap, > and runs across devices consistently! That's a niche that brought Flash to > popularity when Quicktime, WMV and Real Video made video delivery a > nightmare. Developers, Youtube and Google Video made Flash the choice of > video delivery! > > Tangent > > -Original Message- > From: aYo ~ [mailto:a...@binitie.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 3:47 PM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: RE: Flash finally dead? > > Really Director still going? Ok that's interesting On Mar 6, 2013 9:28 PM, > "Gordon Smith" wrote: > >> Adobe can't kill Flash without "breaking the web" since the web has so >> much Flash content. I would expect it to be around for the indefinite >> future. I worked on Director for 10 years and left it 12 years ago >> because enthusiasm for it was waning, but it's still going. >> >> - Gordon >> >> >
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Alex, We could keep track of rumors and general complaints on an opinion thread, can't we?. I doubt the resistance of another thread would keep people from complaining. It's a possibility that an 'opinion' email might invite more opinions, whereas 'dev' has a certain resistance to opinions. 'ideas' might be another focus to push complainers towards a suggestive approach. Will do - I started looking through bugs already. On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Alex Harui wrote: On 3/6/13 10:57 AM, "Joe Kryzak" wrote: > I believe this has been brought up before, but why are these discussions > accepted as part of 'dev'? I know we shouldn't have these conversations on dev, but I let it go because it helps me keep track of what kinds of rumors are out there. > That being said, I have 4.9 installed and would like to help out, don't have a > lot of time to start with. At this point I'd think I'd be better off with > helping docs than bugs, let me know how I can help. > If you want to improve the existing Flex SDK, there are plenty of bugs you can try to fix (including doc bugs) and submit patches in JIRA. You can also try out the FlexJS stuff and provide feedback. There is a link to instructions on how to play with it using flash builder off of this page: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
Re: Flash finally dead?
In a thread or another email list? Either way folks don't seem to take the time to figure out a "more appropriate" communication mechanism. Otherwise they would find an old thread to pick up on. On 3/6/13 4:40 PM, "Joe Kryzak" wrote: > > Alex, > > We could keep track of rumors and general complaints on an opinion thread, > can't we?. I doubt the resistance of another thread would keep people from > complaining. It's a possibility that an 'opinion' email might invite more > opinions, whereas 'dev' has a certain resistance to opinions. 'ideas' might be > another focus to push complainers towards a suggestive approach. > > Will do - I started looking through bugs already. > > > On Mar 6, 2013, at 12:16 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > > On 3/6/13 10:57 AM, "Joe Kryzak" wrote: > >> I believe this has been brought up before, but why are these discussions >> accepted as part of 'dev'? > I know we shouldn't have these conversations on dev, but I let it go because > it helps me keep track of what kinds of rumors are out there. > >> That being said, I have 4.9 installed and would like to help out, don't have >> a >> lot of time to start with. At this point I'd think I'd be better off with >> helping docs than bugs, let me know how I can help. >> > If you want to improve the existing Flex SDK, there are plenty of bugs you > can try to fix (including doc bugs) and submit patches in JIRA. > > You can also try out the FlexJS stuff and provide feedback. There is a link > to instructions on how to play with it using flash builder off of this > page: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Alex%27s+FlexJS+Prototype -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Systems, Inc. http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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Authorwate Too. It was the tool that i had used for 5 years Regards, Jaydeep Tank On 6 March 2013 21:22, Carlos Cruz wrote: > Just be glad Flex is out of Adobe's hands, I just wish the same fate would > happen to Flash!! I had predicted the demise of all Macromedia products in > the hands of Adobe, not because I'm extra smart (I'm not!!), just my > opinion > big multi-dimensional companies which are good at managing money but > horrible at championing anything. Some of my examples of Adobe playing > Ping-Pong and eventually killed/killing apps : > 1 Flash Media Server (talk about a moving target and dysfunctional multi > personalities and needless purposeful handicapping, and successfully making > it an overpriced inferior product) > 2. Director > 3. Flex > 5. Coldfusion (will this be the next one on the Adobe guillotine) > 6. Freehand > 7. Fireworks (a software still looking for a purpose in life) > 8. (fill in the blank) > 9. Flash (last on my list because I still think it has a few useful years) > > Your platform of choice is like your favorite color, you can reason all you > want, but if you're talking to someone who prefers another color, you are > preaching to barbarians!! I personally believe Javascript and HTML5 are > still very clunky and have many shortfalls, but this is just my opinion and > yes I also used them daily, many people have a different opinion, and > that's > OK!!! But if you like Flex think about contributing something.!!! > > Now the Adobe peons are receiving there marching orders and their battle > cries will echo their command in chief's carefully worded talking points, > don't take their comments too personally or too close to heart, they are > not > your friends!!! Have no doubts, they are only tools to get a piece of what > you have in your handbag or wallet!!! > > THANK YOU!! to all who are championing and working hard on the Flex > project > / platform. > > I'm not stating facts, I'm stating my opinions, but coffee break is over I > must get back to work! > Cheers!! > > > -Original Message- > From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:apa...@teotigraphix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 6:36 AM > To: dev@flex.apache.org > Subject: Re: Flash finally dead? > > I never respond to threads like this but... > > Flash was dead 2 years ago, if anybody has been reading my rants in the > last > two years, you would know I have said this. > > Flex was a framework that tied everything together from an IDE to > deployment. > > What all web technologies have is a language, compiler and target. Do you > think any of this is going to change? > > What Apache has is a language and compiler. Some may hate ActionScript, > other may like it. Its a language folks, based on structured OOP that has > been proven to manage large enterprise applications better than scripts > loosely typed, this is a proven fact. > > > If you ever met me in person you would learn one thing quick, my life > doesn't revolve around technology and it doesn't drive my existence. > Why does this matter, because if you can put technology in perspective and > don't give into the emotional temptation of these "web factions" > that exists, you can always create something "better" in the evolutionary > chain. > > The fact is, millions of developers equals thousands of options. > Apache Flex is a group that is setting out to make something. I have said > it > before and will say it again, Apache Flex is not Flex in the sense of what > it can be in the future. > > We have to opportunity to finally "integrate" with the rest of the > community > instead of trying to "dominate" the community like Adobe did with the Flash > Player. You wonder why there was such hatred for Flash? > > Mike > > > > > > Quoting Erik de Bruin : > > > There are a couple of sub-projects going on that will 'relieve' Apache > > Flex from the bonds of the Flash Player, whether it continues to exist > > or not (my guess is: there is too much money invested - not only by > > Adobe - for it to go soon and go quietly, you're reading too much into > > that blog post). > > > > These projects (FalconJx, FlexJS and VanillaSDK) can all use > > contributors. So, if you're interested in preparing Apache Flex for > > the "post-Flash" era, join us and help make AS/MXML -> HTML5/JS a > > reality sooner rather than later! > > > > EdB > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Vincent Sotto > wrote: > >> cobol is dead! NOT really... > &g
