Re: [marketing] use OO through the net

[ian . lynch]

> Hi Folks,
>
> I am wondering that providing openoffice through the internet. My idea is
> that
> - OO will be distributed to the user through syncing, such as dropbox,
> ubuntu one, etc.
> - The user will not be necessary to install it.
> - They just click on it and use it. (like USB portable applications)
>
> Since the distribution channel (syncing technology) & portable technology
> is
> already available, why couldn't we combine & allow users to use it?
>
> Looking forward to get more brainstorming ideas from you guys.

In principle, this is a very good idea. We definitely need a web version
of OOo and this seems a step in the right direction. Snag is getting
someone to do it.



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[marketing] use OO through the net

[Wunna Ko]

Hi Folks,

I am wondering that providing openoffice through the internet. My idea is
that
- OO will be distributed to the user through syncing, such as dropbox,
ubuntu one, etc.
- The user will not be necessary to install it.
- They just click on it and use it. (like USB portable applications)

Since the distribution channel (syncing technology) & portable technology is
already available, why couldn't we combine & allow users to use it?

Looking forward to get more brainstorming ideas from you guys.

Regards,

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Re: [marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] draft: OOoCon 2011 CfL

[Cor Nouws]

Thorsten Behrens wrote (13-01-10 14:21)

Florian Effenberger wrote:

By the way, are there other "environment" criteria which might be added
for the CfL? For example, the overall "fuel consumption" to attend the
conference (based on the knowledge who usually attends), the use of
renewable energy or availability of recycling?

I'm still a bit hesitant. Not many people showed their interest in a
virtual-only conference. Cc'ing d...@marketing if some more people
want that. Otherwise we just might leave out the paragraph...


I agree with all of you that a pure virtual conference is a waste -
working in worldwide-dispersed team, I can tell you how much of a
difference face2face meetings are.


+1


Regarding the above mentioned environmental criteria - I'd consider
anything that has no direct influence on resource consumption (e.g.
flight miles - I've yet to see the airline that has to schedule an
extra plane for an OOoCon. And the additional fuel consumption for
an occupied seat, in comparison to an empty seat, is negligible. And
100 times negligible is still negligible. 


Sounds fine theoretically. But is of course different in real life. If 
people seriously adapt their behaviour, that changes will have effect.
And apart from that: one can see it as his/her own responsibility as 
well to act well.



 A different topic, of
course, is swag produced, paper wasted, taxi miles from city to
distant conference location etc.) not too different from green-
washing.


Yes, so many ways to do good :-)

Greetings,
Cor

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Re: [marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] draft: OOoCon 2011 CfL

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Lars,

Lars Nooden wrote on 2010-01-13 12.36:


Make it an online conference rather than a virtual one.

Virtual=not real. We want real communication, with real people.


it is not a real conference to me, because people are not really there. 
Thus, it's virtual. :-) But I'll stop ranting now. ;)



I have started to look at options, and will try to not be so glacially
slow about it.  So far my list has voice tools:


Thanks! We need these tools nontheless, at least to inclue people from 
far away in conferences and for hosting our phone conferences, so we 
need to research on this.


Florian

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Re: [marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] draft: OOoCon 2011 CfL

[Florian Effenberger]

Hi Thorsten,

Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2010-01-13 14.21:


I agree with all of you that a pure virtual conference is a waste -
working in worldwide-dispersed team, I can tell you how much of a
difference face2face meetings are.


absolutely +1. I myself wouldn't attend a virtual OOoCon, because I am 
not comfortable with spending three or four days in front of my PC 
listening to speeches and lectures...


Florian

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[marketing] Bouncer statistics (again)

[leif]

Hi,
Does anyone know a status on the bouncer statistics 
http://ooopackages.good-day.net/bouncer/query_chart.rb ?


The last couple of months the update of the site with data has been very 
unreliable.


Thinking about the upcoming release of 3.2 I think it would be nice to 
know if we can rely on this service or not.


best regards,
Leif Lodahl
DA.OpenOffice.org

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[marketing] Help needed ...

[Juergen Schmidt]

Hi,

first of all sorry for cross posting but we need your help.

Maybe you have heard that we will have a stand (and a DevRoom) at the 
FOSDEM conference at the beginning of February. We are working on an 
endless presentation that we can run (besides demos) at the stand to 
inform users as well as developers and all other interested people.


The FOSDEM is typically an event where we are looking for new 
developers. But any kind of help is welcome and so we are looking for 
quotes from people about their motivation to work on the OpenOffice.org 
project, their experiences, their contribution etc. Please send us your 
quotes (~1-2 short paragraphs, think about presentation slides).


I know about very interesting people who started as GSOC students and 
who are professionals today working full time on OOo, or people started 
with SDK examples first and moved over to become an accepted 
developer... Many many more examples, so please don't hesitate and send 
us one or more quotes from you.


The results will be published and can probably be used for other events 
as well.


To have enough time to work on the material i would suggest that you 
send us your input until January 20th. Either to me directly or on one 
of the mailing lists.


Thanks in advance

Juergen

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RE: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles

[Carlos Li]

Ok + 1 

on Alexandros request for me too.
 
 
Carlos Li - carlosli at openoffice. org

Marketing Contact for Perú
 

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> To: dev@marketing.openoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [marketing] Request for funding to go to Scale in Los Angeles
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Drew Jensen  
> wrote:
> > SCALE is a large event and one we have had a presence at in the past.
> >
> > This year a SCALE special feature is  OSSIE - Open Source Software in
> > Education 
> >
> > That would seem to marry up pretty well with Alexandro's activities.
> >
> > Having someone there would be greatly preferable to not, IMO.
> >
> > I have no idea if Alexandro could setup a BoF  or perhaps something with the
> > OSSIE, looks like there might be a 4 day window there still from reading the
> > web page.
> >
> > (I know I'm playing loose with your time there Alexandro...sorry - I'll
> > email them if you like)
> 
> That's fine, I wasnt aware of OSSIE and I will definitely apply, I
> think that giving the talk about the Education project as I did in
> OOoCon2009 could be a great way to show off what we can show to
> developers.
> 
> > Anyway + 1 on Alexandros request for me.
> >
> 
> thanks for the vote
> 
> > Thanks
> >
> > Drew
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"

[Alexandro Colorado]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Lars Nooden  wrote:

Christine Louise Beems wrote:

I suspected that an MS-employee had seeded this 'complaint' before I
read Leif's synopsis of what had transpired.


That was my first impression as well.  It's also my second and
subsequent impressions, having given it some thought over the last few days.

I would guess that if you scratch the surface, you will find a rat of
some kind underneath, based on what I've seen around Europe first hand,
what I've heard of second hand and what I've followed through
OpenDocument Format discussions around the world.

The attack, though almost certainly instigated by Microsoft activists,
is carried out not by Microsofters directly nor by the rat (or as they
say, 'fox'[1]) directly either but by proxies and probably intended to
try to create a conflict where none exists and, almost certainly, to
waste time.

If time must be wasted, then bring in others who are not
directly needed for the OOo deployment and have them respond.  But don't
respond to the proxies, but to the source of the problem instead if the
agent provacteur cannot be readily collared.  One response would be to
look at the book keeping or other practices.  Bring in some white collar
crime experts.  Deployment of Microsoft products usually indicates other
'irregularities', low hanging fruit would include illegal tenders and
misappropriation of funds.  I did a lot of reading in white collar crime
and even consulted some experts.  One characteristic is that when one
person gets away with something that person tends to try to get away
with more.  Eventually more people are involved either by invitation or
coercion or as copycats.  However, do that Danish-style.

Going forward means figuring out how to facilitate OOo deployment, not
letting Microsofters draw the debate into *anything* else.  So any
solution should avoid conflict or even criticism of the proxies and not
go on the defensive.

Alexandro's proposal would be one possible solution that addresses the
attack while still going forward:

Alexandro Colorado wrote:

At the same time, this could be a great "seed" project to certify the
students and teachers in OOo for a simbolic ammount that will also
help finalize the efforts on certification that we are already
working at. So far there has been some interest in Spain to
participate in an early version of the certification and apply it to
their training programs for the municipalities.



Well I think that this is a great opportunity to offer services and enhance the 
BizDev project into opportunities that allow this kind of situations to not be 
recurrent. We know that OOo and FLOSS doesn't always have a straightforward way 
to provide services. This however could change by somehow of partnership 
program where OOo associates can engage into solution based projects/services. 
We already launched this in OOoES for over a year and have gather a good 
network of professionals around it.

I am very involved with migrators in OOo ES and have developed a framework to interact with the usual scenario of lack of sensibility, however if there most be a straight forward way to provide support like online training, documentation, migration kits and sustainable manner, the complains will considerably find themselves with very weak case. 


On the side this could be a way to enhance the presence of OOo as a way to 
create businesses. I would love to hear from OOo businesses in Denmark like:
ProFOSS
Xcompetence A/S
BlueTel Data Aps
Casalogic

And have somehow of deal where OOo can develop an exchange with this companies 
and at the same time assist their local educational needs.



Regards,
/Lars

[1]     "Find and Lean on your insider friend, ‘the fox’. Having
       a trusted MSfriend in the account is critical. Some
       people (unix Bigots) can think of lots of reasons to not
       have a MS solution. MS folks may not be the strongest
       voice but they are true believers (Protect them, make them
       look good). "
http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09346.pdf

See also
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/?page=ComesExhN01
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2007021720190018

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[marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] draft: OOoCon 2011 CfL

[Thorsten Behrens]

Florian Effenberger wrote:
> >By the way, are there other "environment" criteria which might be added
> >for the CfL? For example, the overall "fuel consumption" to attend the
> >conference (based on the knowledge who usually attends), the use of
> >renewable energy or availability of recycling?
> 
> I'm still a bit hesitant. Not many people showed their interest in a
> virtual-only conference. Cc'ing d...@marketing if some more people
> want that. Otherwise we just might leave out the paragraph...
> 
I agree with all of you that a pure virtual conference is a waste -
working in worldwide-dispersed team, I can tell you how much of a
difference face2face meetings are.

Regarding the above mentioned environmental criteria - I'd consider
anything that has no direct influence on resource consumption (e.g.
flight miles - I've yet to see the airline that has to schedule an
extra plane for an OOoCon. And the additional fuel consumption for
an occupied seat, in comparison to an empty seat, is negligible. And
100 times negligible is still negligible. A different topic, of
course, is swag produced, paper wasted, taxi miles from city to
distant conference location etc.) not too different from green-
washing.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten


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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"

[Gabriel Gurley]

Gabriel Gurley's OpenOffice 3.0 Moodle course is at
http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3

It would need to be translated I suppose. I'm going to make an
application to the EU in February for funding comprehensive support the
OOo certification project, this year we got 276,000 Euro for an Open
Source project so it is not impossible. Unfortunately it would be a two
year project starting October 2010. We can launch it on OOo's
birthday :-)



Per Ian's citation and suggestion regarding my learning materials,  
please let me know if I can be of any assistance as well.  My open  
licensed learning materials include the Moodle course package that I  
an cited, as well as an eBook.  Paperback copies of the learning  
materials are also available through educational book distributors  
throughout the world.


Best regards,
Gabriel

Gabriel Gurley
Educator and Author
Contributor - OpenOffice.org Education, Certification and  
Documentation Projects

Web: http://www.gabrielgurley.com/
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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"

[Lars Nooden]

Christine Louise Beems wrote:
> I suspected that an MS-employee had seeded this 'complaint' before I 
> read Leif's synopsis of what had transpired.

That was my first impression as well.  It's also my second and
subsequent impressions, having given it some thought over the last few days.

I would guess that if you scratch the surface, you will find a rat of
some kind underneath, based on what I've seen around Europe first hand,
what I've heard of second hand and what I've followed through
OpenDocument Format discussions around the world.

The attack, though almost certainly instigated by Microsoft activists,
is carried out not by Microsofters directly nor by the rat (or as they
say, 'fox'[1]) directly either but by proxies and probably intended to
try to create a conflict where none exists and, almost certainly, to
waste time.

If time must be wasted, then bring in others who are not
directly needed for the OOo deployment and have them respond.  But don't
respond to the proxies, but to the source of the problem instead if the
agent provacteur cannot be readily collared.  One response would be to
look at the book keeping or other practices.  Bring in some white collar
crime experts.  Deployment of Microsoft products usually indicates other
'irregularities', low hanging fruit would include illegal tenders and
misappropriation of funds.  I did a lot of reading in white collar crime
and even consulted some experts.  One characteristic is that when one
person gets away with something that person tends to try to get away
with more.  Eventually more people are involved either by invitation or
coercion or as copycats.  However, do that Danish-style.

Going forward means figuring out how to facilitate OOo deployment, not
letting Microsofters draw the debate into *anything* else.  So any
solution should avoid conflict or even criticism of the proxies and not
go on the defensive.

Alexandro's proposal would be one possible solution that addresses the
attack while still going forward:

Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> At the same time, this could be a great "seed" project to certify the
> students and teachers in OOo for a simbolic ammount that will also
> help finalize the efforts on certification that we are already
> working at. So far there has been some interest in Spain to
> participate in an early version of the certification and apply it to
> their training programs for the municipalities.

Regards,
/Lars

[1] "Find and Lean on your insider friend, ‘the fox’. Having
a trusted MSfriend in the account is critical. Some
people (unix Bigots) can think of lots of reasons to not
have a MS solution. MS folks may not be the strongest
voice but they are true believers (Protect them, make them
look good). "
http://groklaw.net/pdf/iowa/www.iowaconsumercase.org/011607/9000/PX09346.pdf

See also
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/?page=ComesExhN01
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=2007021720190018

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Re: [marketing] OpenOffice complaints from Danish "Students"

[robustchao]

Hi Leif,

We all see the problems. People don't like change. Only one thing we need to 
do is to give them brainwashing convincing advice, why they should use the 
OOo rather than the MS Office? I believe they have nothing to do with the 
Open Source stuff.
However, this is a really good practice to ask the problems from pupils. 
Let's wait and see what the problems are.
Maybe, we should let them know we are working hard to contribute, to improve 
and we do have the bright future.


Cheers
Chao from Redflag




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Hi all,
I had a meeting with the CIO at the municipality this morning.

Yesterday he had a meeting with representatives for the children and 
teachers.


There has been some problems, but it all came down to one thing: They are 
still using MS Office at home. They agreed that if they can lean to use a 
new mobile phone in hald an hour, they can also learn to use a new 
computer program. They agreed to be 'ambassadors' for the project.


We agreed that I will help the CIO to find some training material that can 
be distributed.


The pupils will make a follow up soon, to point out what the problems are. 
I will get that list and pass it on to the developers.



best regards,
Leif Lodahl



Per Eriksson skrev:

Hi Leif,

Thank you for the clearifications. When the meeting is done, could you 
please summarize what that community can do to help in this matter?


Best Regards

Per Eriksson

leif skrev 2010-01-09 13:00:
The case is, that the CIO (Jens Kjellerup) decided to implement 
OpenOffice in primary schools from last summer. This decision was from 
the beginning backed up by the local politicians.


At that time, Microsoft technical manager Jasper Bojsen sendt an open 
letter to the mayer, claiming that the decision would put students from 
Lyngby-Taarbæk in a very poor situation, because OpenOffice.org is not 
as 'feature rich' as his own product. That letter went right back on him 
and the local politicians made a clear statement, that they where 
backing up the decision.


The students from _one_ school have made complaints about compatibility 
and lack of training and information. Some rumors says that the 
complaint was actually written by a Microsoft employee, but that can't 
be proven. The fact is, that the letter was by an adult and not by a 
child.


It turns out that the case has nothing to do with either OpenOffice.org 
or the children. It's about information and instructions. The 
information given from the city hall was never passed on to the children 
on that particular school. The students didn't know, that they should 
use OpenOffice.org for their homework. They where never told that they 
could get help from the city hall etc. This is, what I would call a 
school example of what happens if you implement OpenOffice.org


I have spoken to the CIO this week and I know him well. He is a well 
known supporter of FOSS and OpenOffice.org in Denmark. I have told him 
that the community would be happy to help and I expect to meet with him 
on Tuesday morning

to make the arrangements.


Best regards,
Leif Lodahl
Lead of DA.OpenOffice.org



John McCreesh skrev:

"Can it be true that a school union complained to the Danish
Lyngby-Taarbaek Municipality council and mayor after they put the 
schools

on to FOSS productivity software?"

http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10014804o-2000673651b,00.htm

John



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Re: [marketing] Re: [OOoCon2009] draft: OOoCon 2011 CfL

[Lars Nooden]

Florian Effenberger wrote:

> I'm still a bit hesitant. Not many people showed their interest in a
> virtual-only conference. 

Make it an online conference rather than a virtual one.

Virtual=not real. We want real communication, with real people.

Plus in marketing, we should be aware of how some words are loaded with
associations.  'Virtual' has dot-com baggage.

> Cc'ing d...@marketing if some more people want
> that. Otherwise we just might leave out the paragraph...

A framework (as in work flow) is lacking.  We need not just to find a
technological solution but also work out the practical steps to use them
and to make it easy for any one to join.  Like any other similar
(sub)project, this can't be done all at once.  Tools and methods have to
be worked with in small groups to figure this out.

I have started to look at options, and will try to not be so glacially
slow about it.  So far my list has voice tools:

Ekiga (sip)
QuteCom (sip) - formerly WengoPhone
Twinkle (sip)
KPhone (sip)
pjsua (sip)

The idea is not to pick one, but to figure out how one or more can be
used in voice conferencing.  There is also scalability, some tools or
methods which are great for large groups will suck for small groups.

More complicated solutions include:

Asterisk
WebHuddle
DimDim

I'm still looking for Whiteboards, but for small group writing new tools
like PiratePad look useful:
http://piratepad.net/

Regards,
/Lars


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