Re: [marketing] Re: Direct link for BrOffice.org Magazine
Hi, I can help in making the structure of web site as a magazine and all issues. Regards, Vikram Gaur On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 10:37 +0800, Varun Mittal wrote: HiLuiz, Sorry for the late reply... Yes, I indeed meant the special edition.:) As for Hindi Translation, I think it would be a good idea. Give me some time to have a team setup so that I can take up the responsibility. Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:50 PM, luiz luizh...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi Varun, This is a great piece of work. I will be eagerly waiting for this year's edition as well :) Wishing you all the best for future :) I think you mean special edition, right? Or the other translate editions? Anyway, I like the idea of keeping a connection with international community. Maybe we can have, in short, our magazine translated into Hindi! What do you think? Luiz Oliveira
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 14:24 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Hi All, Community should have another derivative with all features and compatibilities The community needs the resources to support and maintain a code base that is complex and difficult to develop and maintain. That is the reality. There has been no evidence so far that there are the resources to do this outside a large company such as Sun or Oracle. Until the community finds a way of generating sufficient resources to maintain a fork that is sustainable long term and can compete with the Oracle version and releases, any attempt at a fork will at best generate a small niche version that is to all intents and purposes identical to the Oracle version. That is why several years ago I proposed finding ways of providing an income that could support development without having to raise money selling licenses and make the community less dependent on Sun. It needs a business that can raise at least a few million Euros a year. Developing an OOo foundation that could do this should not be impossible but it will still require a lot of initial unpaid hard work to start with. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hello Kay, Kay Koll wrote on 2010-08-28 18.30: Any pointers to the news and reports from the OO.o Con are also appreciate. I am planning to send out the newsletter when the conference has closed. KAMI has started a wiki page with some media coverage, including community blog posts, at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoCon2010/Media_covarage and http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoCon2010/Personal_memorials Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@openoffice.org OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Hi everyone, 2010/9/5 Ian ian.ly...@theingots.org On Sun, 2010-09-05 at 14:24 +0530, Vikram Gaur wrote: Hi All, Community should have another derivative with all features and compatibilities The community needs the resources to support and maintain a code base that is complex and difficult to develop and maintain. That is the reality. There has been no evidence so far that there are the resources to do this outside a large company such as Sun or Oracle. Until the community finds a way of generating sufficient resources to maintain a fork that is sustainable long term and can compete with the Oracle version and releases, any attempt at a fork will at best generate a small niche version that is to all intents and purposes identical to the Oracle version. That is why several years ago I proposed finding ways of providing an income that could support development without having to raise money selling licenses and make the community less dependent on Sun. It needs a business that can raise at least a few million Euros a year. Developing an OOo foundation that could do this should not be impossible but it will still require a lot of initial unpaid hard work to start with. As I see it, if we're serious about forking OpenOffice.org, we need some place to gather, so that we know how many people are interested in contributing and which skills these people have. This could be just a simple, free-hosted website with a forum or a mailing list or a wiki... Then, as a community, we need to brainstorm ways to support the project (e.g. adding interoperability with web services like Ubuntu One, Google Docs, and Office Web to OOo and auctioning off preferential treatment to service provides, à la how Firefox gets money from Google) and approach larger companies that may be interested in supporting the project. Raising several million euros a year, however, doesn't seem too plausible. Alternatively, and this is what I'm leaning towards, we could support another open-source office suite. KOffice looks promising enough, although I'm not too keen on KDE projects. GNOME Office seems a bit less promising, although I do like the speed of both AbiWord and Gnumeric. Feng Office is, I believe, the only online open-source office suite. I think there's a much brighter future for online office suites than desktop ones, as online ones guarantee compatibility across modern OS's like Chrome OS, iOS, Android, and others, and have numerous other benefits, like being usable right away from any computer, better collaboration features, etc. Feng Office doesn't seem to support standard office files, but then if both viewing and editing can be done on the web, and if offline storage is added (along the lines of how Google Docs worked with Gears), there will be no need to. And perhaps if Go-OO harbors enough supporters, it may branch off Oracle completely. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications A new approach to assessment for learning www.theINGOTs.org - 01827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
[marketing] OOoCon 2011
Hi all, Have you some comment or information on the legend of this photo: http://twitpic.com/2ktjwt ? JBF -- Jean-Baptiste Faure French N-L project Lead http://fr.openoffice.org Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents.
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Hi Luiz, Are there any concrete reasons to believe that Oracle's strategy with OpenOffice.org is going to be radically different than Sun's? It is not impossible that, at some point in time, Oracle's management could decide that to continue the development and support of OpenOffice.org is not anymore in its best interests. And it is good to be aware of this possibility, and to make sure we, as the community at large, are not completely unprepared in case this would happen. But as it stands I believe it is disrespectful and foolish to cast unwarranted suspicions on Oracle. Sun Microsystems has made tremendous efforts in the development of OpenOffice.org, for which we should be thankful. And if Oracle plans to continue these efforts, they should be praised for that. Best regards Simon nl.openoffice.org Op 5-9-2010 2:52, luiz schreef: Hi, After many hesitations, so many doubts about the future of OpenOffice.org, Oracle has been publicly saying that supports the software revolution. The more hurried they could understand that, finally, was a declaration of love Free Software. Concept is wrong! It is not hatred to Free Software and Open Source, of wanting to destroy the community, but made just one investment with the purchase of Sun and Investment needs to make a profit and only profit counts. On the ground the whole ideology and philosophy behind the Free Software; damned if the idealists, there is no more time for utopias. No more romantic, just business. Sustainability?! Shock in the traditional business model based on licenses? That's all gone. After a period of ten years OOo, start a new life for those who have the courage to oppose the Oracle returning to his mark, taking on new projects. For my part, my first reaction is to return the email @openoffice.org before they charge for it, despite being just a redirector. Home is a trend I'm calling In what Oracle is Oracle and the community what is the community. We will be much happier, for sure. Follow me good! Luiz Oliveira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hi Kay, We will be Officially releasing OO.org 3.2.1 Sinhala in the Sri Lanka on 17th September 2017 during a FOSS event for Government. Best Regards, Danishka On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Kay Koll kay.k...@oracle.com wrote: Hi, It is time to start with the preparation of the September newsletter. Any input from the community projects are welcome. Any pointers to the news and reports from the OO.o Con are also appreciate. I am planning to send out the newsletter when the conference has closed. Finally I would like to continue the section 'meet the community'. Each active community member who wanted to be presented feel free to send me an abstract with up to 50 words. August article as an example: Varun Mittal OO.O Marketing Project - Moderator mailing lists OOOConf 2010 – Reviewer of abstracts As the founder head of Linux User Group at my university I used it as the biggest rallying points while convincing users to adopt and use Linux. OOO was the ace in arm of our migration strategy since Office suite is one of the most used software by computer users. Regards Kay -- http://www.oracle.com/ Kay Koll | Sales Consultant Office Productivity Phone: +49 40 23646 742 | Mobile: +49 172 831 4560 Oracle Office Global Business Unit ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven http://www.oracle.com/commitment Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
Re: [marketing] Web 2.0 strategy on the new SMP
Hi Alexandra, The link is dead :( Can you please update the link Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@openoffice.orgwrote: I wrote a blogpost furthering the discussion about the web 2.0 strategy and what I think are key elements to consider. The core issues include discussing the channel, but also the strategy on what to do with social network tools and also how to activate them. http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/wordpress/?p=818 Please add your thoughts on this mailing list, so we can better comment on the strategy. Regards. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Web 2.0 strategy on the new SMP
Hi, The link is dead :( Well, works for me. No problem with the link. Stefan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Hi Simon, everyone, It's true that some of the accusations against Oracle are pure speculation, and we can't really know what Oracle plans for OOo. However, I personally don't trust Oracle anymore and feel that Oracle poses a danger to open-source rather than a benefit. I could understand that they changed the name of StarOffice to Oracle Open Office to take advantage of the fact that OpenOffice.org is better known just as open office. I could even understand that they cancelled OpenSolaris. But suing an open-source project for patent infringement involving Java, especially when both Oracle and Google are licensees of the Open Invention Network, crossed the line, IMHO. (For clarification on the issue, read http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/; although it is an article from 2007, it applies surprisingly well to the current situation.) Anyway, about the future of OOo under Oracle, it seems Oracle has big plans for productivity software, especially concerning a new online office suite called Oracle Cloud Office, likely based on JavaFX, which is not open-source. Read more at http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/020410-what-we-know-about-oracle.html . OpenOffice.org isn't likely to be abandoned -- I just don't trust its leadership. 2010/9/5 Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl Hi Luiz, Are there any concrete reasons to believe that Oracle's strategy with OpenOffice.org is going to be radically different than Sun's? It is not impossible that, at some point in time, Oracle's management could decide that to continue the development and support of OpenOffice.org is not anymore in its best interests. And it is good to be aware of this possibility, and to make sure we, as the community at large, are not completely unprepared in case this would happen. But as it stands I believe it is disrespectful and foolish to cast unwarranted suspicions on Oracle. Sun Microsystems has made tremendous efforts in the development of OpenOffice.org, for which we should be thankful. And if Oracle plans to continue these efforts, they should be praised for that. Best regards Simon nl.openoffice.org Op 5-9-2010 2:52, luiz schreef: Hi, After many hesitations, so many doubts about the future of OpenOffice.org, Oracle has been publicly saying that supports the software revolution. The more hurried they could understand that, finally, was a declaration of love Free Software. Concept is wrong! It is not hatred to Free Software and Open Source, of wanting to destroy the community, but made just one investment with the purchase of Sun and Investment needs to make a profit and only profit counts. On the ground the whole ideology and philosophy behind the Free Software; damned if the idealists, there is no more time for utopias. No more romantic, just business. Sustainability?! Shock in the traditional business model based on licenses? That's all gone. After a period of ten years OOo, start a new life for those who have the courage to oppose the Oracle returning to his mark, taking on new projects. For my part, my first reaction is to return the email @openoffice.org before they charge for it, despite being just a redirector. Home is a trend I'm calling In what Oracle is Oracle and the community what is the community. We will be much happier, for sure. Follow me good! Luiz Oliveira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? A: http://five.sentenc.es
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hi, Our event will be on 5th October 2010. can we expect OO.org 3.3 before that? Danishka On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kay, We will be Officially releasing OO.org 3.2.1 Sinhala in the Sri Lanka on 17th September 2017 during a FOSS event for Government. Best Regards, Danishka On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Kay Koll kay.k...@oracle.com wrote: Hi, It is time to start with the preparation of the September newsletter. Any input from the community projects are welcome. Any pointers to the news and reports from the OO.o Con are also appreciate. I am planning to send out the newsletter when the conference has closed. Finally I would like to continue the section 'meet the community'. Each active community member who wanted to be presented feel free to send me an abstract with up to 50 words. August article as an example: Varun Mittal OO.O Marketing Project - Moderator mailing lists OOOConf 2010 – Reviewer of abstracts As the founder head of Linux User Group at my university I used it as the biggest rallying points while convincing users to adopt and use Linux. OOO was the ace in arm of our migration strategy since Office suite is one of the most used software by computer users. Regards Kay -- http://www.oracle.com/ Kay Koll | Sales Consultant Office Productivity Phone: +49 40 23646 742 | Mobile: +49 172 831 4560 Oracle Office Global Business Unit ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven http://www.oracle.com/commitment Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
Re: [marketing] Suggestion for OO.org spreading.
There is no legal issue in this Some of the our friends are doing this currently as well... You are welcome to do so and motivate others to do it as well !!! Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Moderator Marketing Project Mailing Lists[all] www.OpenOffice.org Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:21 PM, Nicola zannanic...@hotmail.it wrote: Hi All, I was wondering why is that we don't use social networks, such as Facebook for spreading Open Office. What I mean is, why don’t each of us who has a social network, put up as his status, or in some link section of his page an open office teaser. In my opinion, this could be quite a boom in open office usage. Maybe I am Missing out on some legal issues or what-not, so let me know. Regards, Nicola. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On 09/05/2010 02:44 PM, Simon Brouwer wrote: But as it stands I believe it is disrespectful and foolish to cast unwarranted suspicions on Oracle. Sun Microsystems has made tremendous efforts in the development of OpenOffice.org, for which we should be thankful. And if Oracle plans to continue these efforts, they should be praised for that. +1 It is likely that there are things about OOo, the OOo community as a resource, and even Free and Open Source Software development that are still completely new to the company. If there are departments there with questions their learning process can be facilitated by participating in the community. The kinds of questions they ask and any misperceptions can be useful to know and used in creating or polishing marketing material for other businesses. The demand has been huge, and growing. It's just a question of how. Some segments don't yet know where to turn to for help in the trade jargon they're familiar with. Suddenly changing to a business model that requires open and frequent communications will take some figuring out for a company that normally plays its cards close to its chest. That is even more for just a department or two, since they have to interact internally with the old model. That's the main liability I see currently and I see signs that Oracle might be working on resolving that. Still if they wanted to light a flare for all to see, then dropping the CDDL and relicensing as GPLv3 or, lesser, the LGPLv3 would do that. /Lars - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Web 2.0 strategy on the new SMP
Try to to see if this works http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/blog On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Varun Mittal varunmitta...@gmail.comwrote: Working now Maybe some network issue !! Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Stefan Weigel swei...@openoffice.org wrote: Hi, The link is dead :( Well, works for me. No problem with the link. Stefan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Web 2.0 strategy on the new SMP
Working now Maybe some network issue !! Regards Varun Mittal http://www.varunmittal.info Google https://www.google.com/profiles/varunmittal87 Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/mittal.varun LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/varunmittal87 Twitterhttp://twitter.com/varunmittal19 Uncertainty is the only Certainty of LIFE On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Stefan Weigel swei...@openoffice.orgwrote: Hi, The link is dead :( Well, works for me. No problem with the link. Stefan. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM, luiz luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After many hesitations, so many doubts about the future of OpenOffice.org, Oracle has been publicly saying that supports the software revolution. The more hurried they could understand that, finally, was a declaration of love Free Software. Concept is wrong! It is not hatred to Free Software and Open Source, of wanting to destroy the community, but made just one investment with the purchase of Sun and Investment needs to make a profit and only profit counts. On the ground the whole ideology and philosophy behind the Free Software; damned if the idealists, there is no more time for utopias. No more romantic, just business. Sustainability?! Shock in the traditional business model based on licenses? That's all gone. After a period of ten years OOo, start a new life for those who have the courage to oppose the Oracle returning to his mark, taking on new projects. For my part, my first reaction is to return the email @openoffice.org before they charge for it, despite being just a redirector. Home is a trend I'm calling In what Oracle is Oracle and the community what is the community. We will be much happier, for sure. Follow me good! Luiz Oliveira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org Many people been talking about this for a long time, however the community has more insurance than just Oracle. If Oracle becomes some sort of SCO, we can always rely on other vendors like Novell, IBM and of course the network of NGO's across the world. I would really encourage communities to establish an NGO and starts looking for funding. Even if it's just a donation button on their xx.openoffice.org site. At least it would be community supported. Novell did a smart move, and instead of holding it everything on themselves they actually move it to freedesktop.org which is not a Novell site, rather a FLOSS run site which holds technology from other projects like GNOME, KDE and others. This means that even if Novell turns evil, they can't just shutdown the servers because they have no access to them. Something that I think we should be thinking, instead of just moving to a Oracle-funded Kenai server IMO. I mean is not like CollabNet was so awesome we couldn't move away from it before. There are also other forks going on like EuroOffice, OOoLight, RedOffice etc. Also other open source suites like Symphony and KOffice. Which area also not dependent on Oracle's top management. So I think we should be careful, but not paranoid to think OOo will go away if Oracle decides to pull the plug. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 6:44 AM, Simon Brouwer simon.o...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi Luiz, Are there any concrete reasons to believe that Oracle's strategy with OpenOffice.org is going to be radically different than Sun's? It is not impossible that, at some point in time, Oracle's management could decide that to continue the development and support of OpenOffice.org is not anymore in its best interests. And it is good to be aware of this possibility, and to make sure we, as the community at large, are not completely unprepared in case this would happen. But as it stands I believe it is disrespectful and foolish to cast unwarranted suspicions on Oracle. Sun Microsystems has made tremendous efforts in the development of OpenOffice.org, for which we should be thankful. And if Oracle plans to continue these efforts, they should be praised for that. Right but we also are not ignorant of OpenSolaris death, NetBeans change of repositories, and other moves within the Java world and Glassfish world. The Android fiasco. Not to mention kill of minor open source projects like OpenWorld and the big exodus from Sun's engineers including Simon Phipps as an Open source manager. Thinking that none of these things have to do with us is almost delusional. Best regards Simon nl.openoffice.org Op 5-9-2010 2:52, luiz schreef: Hi, After many hesitations, so many doubts about the future of OpenOffice.org, Oracle has been publicly saying that supports the software revolution. The more hurried they could understand that, finally, was a declaration of love Free Software. Concept is wrong! It is not hatred to Free Software and Open Source, of wanting to destroy the community, but made just one investment with the purchase of Sun and Investment needs to make a profit and only profit counts. On the ground the whole ideology and philosophy behind the Free Software; damned if the idealists, there is no more time for utopias. No more romantic, just business. Sustainability?! Shock in the traditional business model based on licenses? That's all gone. After a period of ten years OOo, start a new life for those who have the courage to oppose the Oracle returning to his mark, taking on new projects. For my part, my first reaction is to return the email @openoffice.org before they charge for it, despite being just a redirector. Home is a trend I'm calling In what Oracle is Oracle and the community what is the community. We will be much happier, for sure. Follow me good! Luiz Oliveira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Vriendelijke groet, Simon Brouwer. | http://nl.openoffice.org | http://www.opentaal.org | - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Simon Brouwer wrote: Are there any concrete reasons to believe that Oracle's strategy with OpenOffice.org is going to be radically different than Sun's? Yes. a) Look at the change in both the cost, and minimum number of licenses for the ODF extension Sun created for use with MSO; b) The name from StarOffice to Oracle OpenOffice is one that will cause confusion with OpenOffice.org. That is not what an organization that is sincere about supporting a product will do. c) RD for software is expensive. FLOSS does not provide a business model for generation revenue from either software development, or RD. The closest is from selling support contracts, which includes the contractee paying for the development of bug fixes, feature requests, and the like. d) Oracles' abuse of, mistreatment of, and general disrespect towards the OpenSolaris team is a good example of why Oracle can not be trusted to be anything but malevolent, and as damaging to OOo and it would be by Microsoft. e) Consider Oracles' established policy and practice of buying FLOSS projects, then effectively shutting them down if they compete with their proprietary offerings, or take them proprietary if they do not compete with their current offerings; could decide that to continue the development and support of OpenOffice.org is not anymore in its best interests. If Oracle wanted to cut of the oxygen supply of Microsoft, it could do so, by investing heavily in OOo, and distributing it gratis. Two options: * When updating their existing product line, add code that makes it interact better with OOo than with MSO; * Write extensions for OOo that enable it (OOo) to function as if it was an integral part of each of their existing products; But, given their history with FLOSS, they are unlikely to do that, because it wouldn't generate an immediate revenue stream. But as it stands I believe it is disrespectful and foolish to cast unwarranted suspicions on Oracle. Oracle's history with FLOSS has been extremely checkered. Their actions this year have done nothing to install any confidence that they even kno what the concept libre means, much less that they will actually embrace FLOSS. They are far more likely to turn off the OOo lights, without even bothering to provide an after-the-fact announcement, much less advance warning to that effect. If anybody wants to continue to develop OOo after Oracle tries to kill it, they should start taking daily backups of all of the code and code-related repositories that Oracle currently allows OOo to use, now, if they aren't currently doing so. if Oracle plans to continue these efforts, they should be praised for that. The operative word here is if. Look at how Oracle treated the OpenSolaris development team. Look at how Oracle abused the Solaris development team. (Their actions might be legal, but they are both immoral, and unethical. Nor is that is the only time that they have engaged in actions that are legal, but neither moral, nor ethical.) jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hi Narvin, Danishka Navin wrote (05-09-10 16:13) Our event will be on 5th October 2010. can we expect OO.org 3.3 before that? Very little change. September 30th are the latest late L10n issues expected. And then the release candidates .. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33 Ciao - Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Cor Nouws wrote (05-09-10 18:42) Hi Narvin, Danishka Navin wrote (05-09-10 16:13) Our event will be on 5th October 2010. can we expect OO.org 3.3 before that? Very little change. (mostly when I write 'change' I mean 'chance' ;-) ) its ok :) September 30th are the latest late L10n issues expected. And then the release candidates .. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33 Ciao - Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Cor Nouws wrote (05-09-10 18:42) Hi Narvin, Danishka Navin wrote (05-09-10 16:13) Our event will be on 5th October 2010. can we expect OO.org 3.3 before that? Very little change. (mostly when I write 'change' I mean 'chance' ;-) ) September 30th are the latest late L10n issues expected. And then the release candidates .. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33 Ciao - Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hi Cor, Thanks for the info. ciao :) Danishka On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Hi Narvin, Danishka Navin wrote (05-09-10 16:13) Our event will be on 5th October 2010. can we expect OO.org 3.3 before that? Very little change. September 30th are the latest late L10n issues expected. And then the release candidates .. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease33 Ciao - Cor -- Your office 2010 software: the new OpenOffice.org Cor Nouws - ideas/remarks for the community council? - http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com
[marketing] Greetings from Edinburgh
Good Afternoon, My name is Alex and I am a student at Edinburgh University. I study economics, and discovered openoffice.org recently. I have found it to be an extremely useful piece of software, and thus would like to do my bit for the project. I'd very much be interested in distributing CD-Roms to my fellow students at Edinburgh and Napier Universities, via societies aswell as the economic departments. This of course, would be a follow up on a good little bit of advertising through word of mouth. Hence why I've signed up to the marketing project. I've also sent an intor to the distribution project, hence why some people will perhaps recieve a double intro ;) Anyways, just a brief intro and a Hello to the other community members :D Good Day to you, Yours, Pierre-Alexandre Hughes - aka - pa_i_hughes
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Ian, 05-09-2010 17:56: And perhaps if Go-OO harbors enough supporters, it may branch off Oracle completely. Possibly, but for true independence and a chance of competing it needs an income and I don't see much evidence of capability in generating it at a level that will compete with the resource input of Oracle. So the community is largely in Oracle's hands and will be for the foreseeable future. In reality it doesn't make much sense to worry about Oracle while it puts a lot of resource into development. If it stops doing that then there is nothing much to lose from forking. We don't need to fork that right now, but we should invest more on attracting investments. That will make it easy if we have to fork in the future and will help the project, anyway. I believe that some players will focus on online office suites and the other won't help OOo if it's required to sign JCA/SCA. Google, IBM, Novel both contribute to OOo, but each one could expend ten times more, if that would benefite them. We should focus on certification, donations, etc., as ways of making it easier to maintain the project without depending on some big player. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Open Office
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 2:40 AM, stephen joseph stephen2...@rediffmail.comwrote: Dear Team , My Name Is Stephen Joseph working as a Sr.Administrator in a company , we are willing to use open office for Word and Excel . We want to enquire about the software , is it free or we need to pay anything for the software . Although is free to download, I will advice to hire professional consultancy to implement the software. Migrating to OOo is a challenging task and unexperienced technical people have more than once failed implementing it on their business. Kindly let me know as the mater is urgent. Thanks and Regards Stephen Joseph With Regards Stephen joseph -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Caio Tiago Oliveira cai...@gmail.comwrote: Ian, 05-09-2010 17:56: And perhaps if Go-OO harbors enough supporters, it may branch off Oracle completely. Possibly, but for true independence and a chance of competing it needs an income and I don't see much evidence of capability in generating it at a level that will compete with the resource input of Oracle. So the community is largely in Oracle's hands and will be for the foreseeable future. In reality it doesn't make much sense to worry about Oracle while it puts a lot of resource into development. If it stops doing that then there is nothing much to lose from forking. We don't need to fork that right now, but we should invest more on attracting investments. That will make it easy if we have to fork in the future and will help the project, anyway. I believe that some players will focus on online office suites and the other won't help OOo if it's required to sign JCA/SCA. Google, IBM, Novel both contribute to OOo, but each one could expend ten times more, if that would benefite them. We should focus on certification, donations, etc., as ways of making it easier to maintain the project without depending on some big player. Also there is this fixation we need to pay developers. Although I agree that the more complex parts of the code are really a pain to maintain and people should received a compensation for the boring tasks. I also think that the rest could be dependent from other factors. We can also not just think of making it profitable to Google or Novell but maybe bringing a channel which allow us for smaller companies to make money and empower them with a more structure framework to be able to make good money. At the Bizdev talk at OOoCon we talked about a Marketplace, same thin wg was mentioned by Italo at his Marketing talk taking Google's reseller channel as an example for Google Apps. However there are other things such as noticing what happened to SourceForge failed story with their Open Source marketplace (2007-200?). At the OOoES (Spanish NLC) we have also pulled out a small (now) network of consultants. It hasn't been actually that easy even with resources to be able to build more and better resources. However we are confident that could change as we go along by delivering premium content. In the end however is up to the network to really be able to sale themselves. -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org
[marketing] Download Tracker of OpenOffice doesn't seem to be working
Hi, The Download Tracker of OpenOffice doesn't seem to be working for the last few days. http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/stats/ I feel it is 'under-reporting', for instance for the last few minutes it shows that download in all countries is zero. I'm sure thats wrong. Please help. Thanks. Best regards, Paul - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Greetings from Edinburgh
Hi Piere, Yes, I would also LOVe marketing material in South Africa, whetever you get, plse pass it on. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Pierre-Alexandre Hughes pa.i.hug...@gmail.com wrote: Good Afternoon, My name is Alex and I am a student at Edinburgh University. I study economics, and discovered openoffice.org recently. I have found it to be an extremely useful piece of software, and thus would like to do my bit for the project. I'd very much be interested in distributing CD-Roms to my fellow students at Edinburgh and Napier Universities, via societies aswell as the economic departments. This of course, would be a follow up on a good little bit of advertising through word of mouth. Hence why I've signed up to the marketing project. I've also sent an intor to the distribution project, hence why some people will perhaps recieve a double intro ;) Anyways, just a brief intro and a Hello to the other community members :D Good Day to you, Yours, Pierre-Alexandre Hughes - aka - pa_i_hughes -- *076-543-2675 Rudolph Barnard Skype: rudolphbarnard*
Re: [marketing] September Newsletter - Any input from the Community projects ?
Hi Danishka All, Can we put in Something for south Africa, who the companies are contact persons, se we can work together, in stead of re-creating the wheel? Best Regards On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Danishka Navin danis...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kay, We will be Officially releasing OO.org 3.2.1 Sinhala in the Sri Lanka on 17th September 2017 during a FOSS event for Government. Best Regards, Danishka On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Kay Koll kay.k...@oracle.com wrote: Hi, It is time to start with the preparation of the September newsletter. Any input from the community projects are welcome. Any pointers to the news and reports from the OO.o Con are also appreciate. I am planning to send out the newsletter when the conference has closed. Finally I would like to continue the section 'meet the community'. Each active community member who wanted to be presented feel free to send me an abstract with up to 50 words. August article as an example: Varun Mittal OO.O Marketing Project - Moderator mailing lists OOOConf 2010 – Reviewer of abstracts As the founder head of Linux User Group at my university I used it as the biggest rallying points while convincing users to adopt and use Linux. OOO was the ace in arm of our migration strategy since Office suite is one of the most used software by computer users. Regards Kay -- http://www.oracle.com/ Kay Koll | Sales Consultant Office Productivity Phone: +49 40 23646 742 | Mobile: +49 172 831 4560 Oracle Office Global Business Unit ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG | Nagelsweg 55 | 20097 Hamburg ORACLE Deutschland B.V. Co. KG Hauptverwaltung: Riesstr. 25, D-80992 München Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRA 95603 Komplementärin: ORACLE Deutschland Verwaltung B.V. Rijnzathe 6, 3454PV De Meern, Niederlande Handelsregister der Handelskammer Midden-Niederlande, Nr. 30143697 Geschäftsführer: Jürgen Kunz, Marcel van de Molen, Alexander van der Ven http://www.oracle.com/commitment Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment -- Danishka Navin http://danishkanavin.blogspot.com -- *076-543-2675 Rudolph Barnard Skype: rudolphbarnard*
Re: [marketing] The Caesar what is Caesar's
Hi Luiz, Good Job!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!! On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 2:52 AM, luiz luizh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After many hesitations, so many doubts about the future of OpenOffice.org, Oracle has been publicly saying that supports the software revolution. The more hurried they could understand that, finally, was a declaration of love Free Software. Concept is wrong! It is not hatred to Free Software and Open Source, of wanting to destroy the community, but made just one investment with the purchase of Sun and Investment needs to make a profit and only profit counts. On the ground the whole ideology and philosophy behind the Free Software; damned if the idealists, there is no more time for utopias. No more romantic, just business. Sustainability?! Shock in the traditional business model based on licenses? That's all gone. After a period of ten years OOo, start a new life for those who have the courage to oppose the Oracle returning to his mark, taking on new projects. For my part, my first reaction is to return the email @openoffice.org before they charge for it, despite being just a redirector. Home is a trend I'm calling In what Oracle is Oracle and the community what is the community. We will be much happier, for sure. Follow me good! Luiz Oliveira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org -- *076-543-2675 Rudolph Barnard Skype: rudolphbarnard*
