Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-07 06.33: as you have not been quitting the role of the Marketing Project Lead, it's still you who is responsible for the MP budget. thank you! Given the current words I read on various mailing lists, I am not so sure if a decision solely by me would be accepted anymore. Of course we have to discuss sooner or later how to proceed in case TDF and OOo will go different ways in the future, but this is out of the scope of this thread. Hopefully, also not the right time yet. I agree... Florian -- Florian Effenberger OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Florian, as you have not been quitting the role of the Marketing Project Lead, it's still you who is responsible for the MP budget. Of course we have to discuss sooner or later how to proceed in case TDF and OOo will go different ways in the future, but this is out of the scope of this thread. Hopefully, also not the right time yet. Best regards, Peter Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On 10/06/2010 05:29 AM, Alex Fisher wrote: > Secondly, "Libre Office"!? You might not understand the meaning. You might not know how to pronounce it. But both of those are solvable issues. Branding is a black art. When a new brand is created, most of the money spent on naming it, goes to trademark searches, and determining if there are pre-existing negative, or obscene connotations to the proposed name, in languages that might be used where the new brand is to be marketed. > would apply to virtually all other non-Romance languages. Any name that is chosen is going to have issues with people not being able to pronounce it, or not knowing what it means. Try this sentence: "Sebeqabele gqi thapha bathi nguqo ngqothwane". If you learned to speak that language prior to age six, there is a 25% probability that you won't be able to pronounce that sentence correctly. If you didn't learn to speak that language prior to age six, you won't be able to pronounce it correctly. Could you spell "i-ofisi ekhululekileyo " correctly? [I'm fairly confident that you couldn't pronounce it correctly.] That is what LibO would be called, if that language were used, rather than the Romance languages that are used. Ag, maybe somebody would give dem yankees a break, and use "vula i-ofisi" instead. They still couldn't pronounce it, but they might be able to spell it. > The choice of "Libre" immediately gives me the impression that the whole > thing People can learn new words. People can learn new meanings to existing words. Governments have used Orwellian NewSpeak for decades, to make their crimes sound more palatable. > I have trouble believing the figures put forward. Bear in mind that the > Community Council is *not* the entire community. The Developers are *not* the > entire community. They are *part* of the community, and *only* part of it. The Community Council represents the users. The Developers are the people that work on the product. Take a look at who registered the various LibreOffice domain names. And look at how fast those domain names were registered. [One reason why the formation of Document Foundation, and LibreOffice had to kept under wraps, was to minimize domain name cybersquatting.] >To the vast majority of people who comprise the community, this announcement would have come as a complete shock. It would have been a shock only to those people who don't pay any attention to the Community Council list, or the developer list. By July 2010, it was clear that OOo developers, community council, and users would declare independence from Oracle. The only issue was when. Once OpenIndiana was announced, it should have been obvious to everybody that OOo was the next community project that Oracle would lose. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to /dev/null signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Charles,
I'm not Stefan, but I will try to answer:
You and some other made a quite clear statement and move. I acknowledge
the that I receiced that your way is not longer my way. I'm sorry about
this but I accept your decision say farewell. Now you're requesting a
dialog started by me and I'm confused. If things have changed on your
side, please let me know.
Martin
Am 06.10.2010 19:39, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
Hello Stefan,
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
Gi,
Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
Hello Martin,
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
Hi Peter,
Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:
despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for
OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the
Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would
like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of
the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event.
I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
money from the budget.
Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
project which had so far also a seat in the community council
(http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for
others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will
look into this request asap,
If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I
don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
OpenOffice.org
sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the
community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community
member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent.
But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC
who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file
and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a
serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things.
On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to
continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave,
but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out,
please do favour the dialogue first.
but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different
project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both
projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.
Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
dialogue as it is now. Please advise.
sorry, must be my German mentality: ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man
einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit
Anstand zu tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally
allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also
good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you
inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion,
Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I
disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are
at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before
TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality
as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger .
Best,
Charles.
But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.
best,
Charles.
Martin
Martin
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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hello Stefan,
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:09:02 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
>
> Gi,
>
> Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
> > Hello Martin,
> >
> > Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
> > Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
> >
> >>Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
> >>> Hi Peter,
> >>>
> >>> Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:
> >>>
> despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for
> OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the
> Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would
> like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of
> the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event.
> >>> I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
> >>> things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
> >>> money from the budget.
> >> Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
> >> project which had so far also a seat in the community council
> >> (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for
> >> others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will
> >> look into this request asap,
> >
> > If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I
> > don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
> > OpenOffice.org
> sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the
> community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community
> member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent.
But Stefan, here's what's really appalling: all the members of the CC
who do not work for Oracle choose to go, and you call that a fork, file
and rank it in the fork category as if everything was normal. That is a
serious lack of...interest/pedagogy/feeling/ and many other things.
On the other hand, I'm not saying that I and others are going to
continue at the CC as if nothing has ever happened. I/we will leave,
but please do yourself a favour, don't act as if you're kicking us out,
please do favour the dialogue first.
> but I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different
> project and no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both
> projects. for me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.
> > Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
> > dialogue as it is now. Please advise.
> >
> sorry, must be my German mentality: ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man
> einfach nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit
> Anstand zu tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally
> allowed. It's a matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also
> good pratice, when in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you
> inform your partners in advance and ask for their opinion,
Conflict of interests are indeed not something we wish for. But I
disagree that my personal integrity or the one of the TDF members are
at stake here: our community is so disfunctional and so broken (before
TDF) that we knew we had no option but going forward. German mentality
as well: fix everything that's broken, and don't let it linger .
Best,
Charles.
>
> But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.
> > best,
> > Charles.
> >
> Martin
>
> >> Martin
>
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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Gi,
Am 06.10.2010 18:19, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz:
Hello Martin,
Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200,
Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger:
Hi Peter,
Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34:
despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's
10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux
User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a
subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing
Project budget to support this little event.
I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current
things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting
money from the budget.
Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other
project which had so far also a seat in the community council
(http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others
to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into
this request asap,
If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't
remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on
OpenOffice.org
sorry, I don't remember any community fork driven by a member of the
community council. I don't see a conflict of interest if a community
member who decides to contribute to both: the fork and it's parent. but
I don't think that this applies for leaders of the different project and
no way claiming that you can have a leading role for both projects. for
me this a classic example for a conflict of interest.
Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the
dialogue as it is now. Please advise.
sorry, must be my German mentality: ("Bestimmte Sachen tut man einfach
nicht, auch wenn sie juristisch erlaubt sind. Das hat was mit Anstand zu
tun") Some thing you don't do, even if there are legally allowed. It's a
matter of personal integrity. In Germany it is also good pratice, when
in doubt of a conflict of interest, that you inform your partners in
advance and ask for their opinion,
But I'm looking forward what others will say about this.
best,
Charles.
Martin
Martin
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Florian
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Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hello Martin, Le Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:36:50 +0200, Martin Hollmichel a écrit : > > Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: > > Hi Peter, > > > > Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: > > > >> despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's > >> 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux > >> User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a > >> subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing > >> Project budget to support this little event. > > > > I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current > > things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting > > money from the budget. > Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other > project which had so far also a seat in the community council > (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others > to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into > this request asap, If I may Martin: I don't see why we should leave just now; and I don't remember you moving so fast for any fork there ever was on OpenOffice.org Also, I would understand this as a gesture by Oracle to stop the dialogue as it is now. Please advise. best, Charles. > > Martin > > > > Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. > > > > Florian > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Am 06.10.2010 12:08, schrieb Florian Effenberger: Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Hmm, the same might apply for other leading member of the other project which had so far also a seat in the community council (http://council.openoffice.org)., this may the opportunity for others to step into this role. Anyhow, the remaing members will look into this request asap, Martin Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Budget Request - OOo 10th Birthday Party in Beijing
Hi Peter, Peter Junge wrote on 2010-10-05 13.34: despite times of troubles, I'm planning to throw a party for OOo's 10th birthday as part of the monthly meeting of the Beijing Linux User Group on October 12th. Accordingly, I would like to request a subsidy of up to 150 Euro on the expenses of the OOo Marketing Project budget to support this little event. I'm happy to agree to this funding. However, given the current things going on. I am not sure if I am still eligible for granting money from the budget. Thus, I copy the budg...@council list, seeking for confirmation. Florian -- Florian Effenberger OpenOffice.org Marketing Project Lead Tel: +49 8341 99660880 Fax: +49 8341 99660889 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
Re: [marketing] Result: Logo for the 10th anniversary - request for approval
On Tue, 05 Oct 2010 12:38:44 +0200 Florian Effenberger wrote: > The feedback we have received so far from the Community (again, > the Community we are talking about) has been either very positive, > and at worst, "let's see". The only ones talking about two > communities, about splitting, about forking, are Oracle people. Why? Because there are many people at Oracle that are part of the Community, who are working and promoting for OpenOffice.org on their leisure time, travel to conferences and other events far beyond what their contracts require (*). You seem to be willing to ignore their contribution and hard work because they have a day job with the same topic as their volunteer work? > These are, very briefly, my thoughts. I still feel responsible for > *ONE* Community, our Community. Except that you seem to think that a volunteer whose day job is working at Oracle does not count as a community member (and thus has no "vote"), regardless of his personal contributions. Best Regards, Bjoern (*) Just take a look at some commit times, for example. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@marketing.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@marketing.openoffice.org
