Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Kenney Westerhof
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Brett Porter wrote:

I personally think a separate jira list allows for the most flexibility.
The same for continuum builds, which sometimes really spam the dev
list.
I think the dev list should be exclusively used by human posters
writing real email, discussing development. Users posting problems
(which is the most part of jira mail) doesn't really belong in development
discussions.

If you have a separate list for everything
(users,dev,jira,commits,continuum,announce) everybody can pick the ones
they're interested in - everybody happy! (except that you might
need to send 8 mails instead of 2 to subscribe if you want
everything, but that's a one-time thing.)

-- Kenney

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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Yann Le Du
+1 for a jira specific list
For consistency's sake :) A list for each topic. You choose the information
you need.

+0 for subscribing to filters from JIRA
Why not, but we still need a way to get the issues as soon as they arrive,
and not only once a day.

+0 for RSS from JIRA filters
There again, why not, but RSS is not commonly used enough yet to replace the
good ol' mail.

-0 (still) for subscribing to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
Not everybody can filter his mail that way.

?? for setting up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request
I don't get this one :)

- Yann

What do you think of other solutions:
- subscribe to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
- subscribe to filters from JIRA (so you get a daily mail of all the
open or new issues in a particular project)
- use RSS from JIRA filters
- set up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request.

Or should we have a jira specific list?

- Brett


Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Vincent Siveton
Agreed with Yann and John

Cheers,

Vincent

2006/2/22, Yann Le Du [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 +1 for a jira specific list
 For consistency's sake :) A list for each topic. You choose the information
 you need.

 +0 for subscribing to filters from JIRA
 Why not, but we still need a way to get the issues as soon as they arrive,
 and not only once a day.

 +0 for RSS from JIRA filters
 There again, why not, but RSS is not commonly used enough yet to replace the
 good ol' mail.

 -0 (still) for subscribing to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
 Not everybody can filter his mail that way.

 ?? for setting up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request
 I don't get this one :)

 - Yann

 What do you think of other solutions:
 - subscribe to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
 - subscribe to filters from JIRA (so you get a daily mail of all the
 open or new issues in a particular project)
 - use RSS from JIRA filters
 - set up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request.

 Or should we have a jira specific list?

 - Brett



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RE: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Brian E. Fox
+1 for a separate list for flexibility. 

-Original Message-
From: Vincent Siveton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

Agreed with Yann and John

Cheers,

Vincent

2006/2/22, Yann Le Du [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 +1 for a jira specific list
 For consistency's sake :) A list for each topic. You choose the 
 information you need.

 +0 for subscribing to filters from JIRA
 Why not, but we still need a way to get the issues as soon as they 
 arrive, and not only once a day.

 +0 for RSS from JIRA filters
 There again, why not, but RSS is not commonly used enough yet to 
 replace the good ol' mail.

 -0 (still) for subscribing to commits@ and filter out the actual 
 commits Not everybody can filter his mail that way.

 ?? for setting up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails 
 that [EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request I don't get 
 this one :)

 - Yann

 What do you think of other solutions:
 - subscribe to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
 - subscribe to filters from JIRA (so you get a daily mail of all the 
 open or new issues in a particular project)
 - use RSS from JIRA filters
 - set up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request.

 Or should we have a jira specific list?

 - Brett



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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Dennis Lundberg

Arnaud HERITIER wrote:

+1 for another list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+0 to keep the existing configuration
-1 to receive the issues on commits@maven.apache.org

Arnaud


I agree with Arnaud.

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On 2/22/06, Geoffrey De Smet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

+1 (if I am allowed to vote :)

To avoid having a full inbox, I use gmane.org:
It turns mailing lists into newsgroups.

So actually with this email, I am using the newsgroup
gmane.comp.jakarta.turbine.maven.devel
.

I can't filter that, so it's very hard to follow the conversations.
Having a different mailing list (and gmane newsgroup) would fix it.

With kind regards,
Geoffrey De Smet

Emmanuel Venisse wrote:

-0 for the same reason.

Emmanuel

John Casey a écrit :

-0

I filter it all into a separate folder anyway, so I don't notice. I
would tend to think that jira issues are much closer to the types of
discussions which are meant to take place here...commits are more of
the ground-level implementation details.

I get it all anyway, so if you all have a strong consensus one way or
the other, I'll go along.

-john

Brett Porter wrote:


What do folks think of doing this to make the dev traffic a bit
friendlier to the people just reading the messages?

- Brett

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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-22 Thread Jason van Zyl

Kenney Westerhof wrote:

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006, Brett Porter wrote:

I personally think a separate jira list allows for the most flexibility.
The same for continuum builds, which sometimes really spam the dev
list.
I think the dev list should be exclusively used by human posters
writing real email, discussing development. Users posting problems
(which is the most part of jira mail) doesn't really belong in development
discussions.

If you have a separate list for everything
(users,dev,jira,commits,continuum,announce) everybody can pick the ones
they're interested in - everybody happy! (except that you might
need to send 8 mails instead of 2 to subscribe if you want
everything, but that's a one-time thing.)


I think that is the most sensible approach. Pick what you like and the 
dev list being humans only I like!


When things are clearly separated like this it makes things easier. Case 
in point: with separate lists each described in the POM you could easily 
generate the rules for filtering for, say, Thunderbird and put them on 
the website. Then someone makes a snazzy Thunderbird plugin so that you 
can just drag and drop the filter on the web page into thunderbird and 
have it set up your folders and filters for that list! Separating 
information into meaningful channels is always a good thing. People can 
take the information from the channel if they like but right now if you 
don't want it you don't have a choice which I think sucks.




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RE: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Scott Ryan
I vote a big +1

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RE: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Mike Perham
-1

JIRA is rather important for me to see and I would assume that would be
true of anyone on the dev list.  I'm less concerned with individual
commits.  I would personally prefer it the way it is today.

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What do folks think of doing this to make the dev traffic a bit
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- Brett

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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Jan Nielsen
Jolly good idea.

-Jan




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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Yann Le Du
 What do folks think of doing this to make the dev traffic a bit
 friendlier to the people just reading the messages?

 - Brett


-0 as a non-developer, for the same reasons as Mike.
As an external user who wants to keep informed of evolutions, JIRA is as
important to me as dev discussions. But SVN commits are way less important.

- Yann


Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread John Casey

-0

I filter it all into a separate folder anyway, so I don't notice. I 
would tend to think that jira issues are much closer to the types of 
discussions which are meant to take place here...commits are more of the 
ground-level implementation details.


I get it all anyway, so if you all have a strong consensus one way or 
the other, I'll go along.


-john

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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Brett Porter
That's been my main hesitation to this point, so its good to get this
feedback.

What do you think of other solutions:
- subscribe to commits@ and filter out the actual commits
- subscribe to filters from JIRA (so you get a daily mail of all the
open or new issues in a particular project)
- use RSS from JIRA filters
- set up a group in JIRA that get sent all the same mails that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] does and can be added there on request.

Or should we have a jira specific list?

- Brett

Yann Le Du wrote:
 What do folks think of doing this to make the dev traffic a bit
 friendlier to the people just reading the messages?

 - Brett
 
 
 -0 as a non-developer, for the same reasons as Mike.
 As an external user who wants to keep informed of evolutions, JIRA is as
 important to me as dev discussions. But SVN commits are way less important.
 
 - Yann
 

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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Lukas Theussl

-1

Anyone subscribed to the dev list should be interested in the evolution 
and development of the project (otherwise he wouldn't be subscribed). 
JIRA is a big part of that, it really belongs here.


-Lukas


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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Emmanuel Venisse

-0 for the same reason.

Emmanuel

John Casey a écrit :

-0

I filter it all into a separate folder anyway, so I don't notice. I 
would tend to think that jira issues are much closer to the types of 
discussions which are meant to take place here...commits are more of the 
ground-level implementation details.


I get it all anyway, so if you all have a strong consensus one way or 
the other, I'll go along.


-john

Brett Porter wrote:


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Re: sending JIRA mail to commits@maven.apache.org

2006-02-21 Thread Geoffrey De Smet

+1 (if I am allowed to vote :)

To avoid having a full inbox, I use gmane.org:
It turns mailing lists into newsgroups.

So actually with this email, I am using the newsgroup 
gmane.comp.jakarta.turbine.maven.devel

.

I can't filter that, so it's very hard to follow the conversations.
Having a different mailing list (and gmane newsgroup) would fix it.

With kind regards,
Geoffrey De Smet

Emmanuel Venisse wrote:

-0 for the same reason.

Emmanuel

John Casey a écrit :

-0

I filter it all into a separate folder anyway, so I don't notice. I 
would tend to think that jira issues are much closer to the types of 
discussions which are meant to take place here...commits are more of 
the ground-level implementation details.


I get it all anyway, so if you all have a strong consensus one way or 
the other, I'll go along.


-john

Brett Porter wrote:


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- Brett

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