[native-lang] NLC/L10N Meeting at the OOoCON: agenda
Hello, from 15:00 to 17:00 on Tuesday afternoon, the 18th of September, (exact location to be defined), we will have the NLC - L10N Meeting that I will have the pleasure to co-chair with Rafaella Braconi. This year we decided to split the concept of the NLC meeting into two as to gain more clarity with the agenda and to better handle all of the issues at hand. So there will be an NLC meeting geared at localization, QA and community that will be hosted at 3pm on Tuesday the 18th of September by Rafaella and by myself. For Marcons and marketing questions related to native-language communities, the MarCon Meeting shall be hosted by John McCreesh at 5 pm on the same day. We advise NLC members to attend the meeting that will suit them the most. Here is the tentative agenda for the NLC/L10N meeting: - overview of this year's top achievements - the state of NLC - the state of L10N project - localization tools (or how to ease the L10N process and localized QA processes) - ordering the wiki pages and structures related to NLC pages, QA and L10N - questions and items raised by the audience Regards, Charles-H. Schulz. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=winlang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=winlangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Kind regards, Joost - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
On 2007-07-17, at 17:42 , Andrea Pescetti wrote: Louis Suarez-Potts ha scritto: A long while ago, back in February, I asked about using Bouncer for downloads. [0] There were some considered objections, [1] but I think they may have been addressed since then. Not completely. My objection (we, as Italian NL group, were unable to count how many downloads we had) is still valid, in that we cannot access daily download statistics. Shaun McDonald provided some very promising and ingenious work to retrieve data from logs, see http://distribution.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg? list=devmsgNo=1799 but it has remained a proof of concept so far. Anyway, we now use a workaround: we intercept all download requests from http://it.openoffice.org/download/ and log them before redirecting to Bouncer. This works, more or less, for us, but other NL teams may still have this concern. We would still prefer the cleaner approach of having statistics for each language directly integrated into Bouncer and accessible to NL team leads. Hm. Duplication of effort, as I already count that data and post it, when I have it, to stats.openoffice.org/ . So, the wusage reports (what I use for this) can be complemented by Bouncer, it seems. This is not an objection to switch to Bouncer for all downloads. We are using it and we will continue to use it. Good; and I think we can ask the OSL people then if they can further help us with Bouncer stats Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian NL team lead. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi all, On 2007-07-18, at 05:52 , Joost Andrae wrote: Hi Louis, I'm not a native language lead but as Sophie told me the French native language community (esp. the African francophone community) has problems regarding Bouncer because Bouncer doesn't seem to prefer regional download connections over international connections. Several users from Africa have complained that they got a very slow connection and it makes a difference if a user needs twelve hours or if he needs five hours to download a version over a modem line depending on the connection he got by Bouncer. This is good to know. My sense is that we can use both Bouncer and the Wusage (and probably other tools) to give us a better sense of the download picture. I'm sorry to hear that location causes problems, since one of my desires is to catch BR, African and other downloads that we don't always catch now. And OOo is very popular in Brazil. btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=winlang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/? product=BrOffice.orgos=winlangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 I see. I'll be pinging Claudio ... So... Do the NLC leads still have objections to using Bouncer? If yes, what are they? (Have they been communicated to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list?) If not, can I ask that you do so? As I wrote before, Bouncer can help us track downloads. This may even be so for projects whose primary pages are actually off the CollabNet site, such as BR-PT: they can add their servers to the Bouncer list. Kind regards, Joost Thanks, Joost. best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] Bouncer again
Hi Louis, I don't know either. I will raise them with OSL. But I think as I wrote to Joost and Andreas, we will have to use all data... The part that bothers me is the intervention of manual labour: I think that introduces errors (or can) and is just boring and tedious. Automating things will help greatly: a report of weekly stats compiled from various sources. I myself also favor a Bouncer solution for a centralized download mechanism. It helps tracking and monitoring everything, and we don't need to maintain several separate download pages. When a mirror goes down, all people involed know, when md5sums are wrong, we know it, etc. I haven't wrote to OSDL yet, so if you gonna do it, this would be great. In particular, I would have to add some more products to the Bouncer: OOoPortable in three or four editions, the full dictionary pack, the PrOOo-Box CD and the PrOOo-Box DVD. Not all of them use the ooo mirroring as of now, so I would have to enter new products and mirrors only for these products, and I fear that would clutter the URL. Same goes for alpha Mac OS X builds and so on... Florian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[native-lang] BrOffice.org site (was: Bouncer again)
Louis Suarez-Potts, 18-07-2007 13:54: On 2007-07-18, at 05:52 , Joost Andrae wrote: btw. broffice.org still seems to be down. Bouncer links for BrOo are available: http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=linuxintellangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=winlang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=BrOffice.orgos=winlangpacklang=pt-BRversion=2.2.1 OK... since this come into topic here... First of all, the *.openoffice.org does not provide the infrastructure to run our main web application (Drupal), so we can't use the OOo site for this. We were not expecting a so long outage, so we haven't take any measures on providing the least we could on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and redirecting there (our fault). We're using the OOo mailing lists, so they're up and we're providing the bouncer links on demand (so the readers are aware of this, but I know it won't reach all of our target public). I see. I'll be pinging Claudio ... There is no need to ping him... we're busy trying to resolve this. The cause of the outage is a RAID (HD) error on the server. Another server was just offered to us and the site will be up when we finish the migration. The idea is to resolve the issue with the server and we'll have two servers available (minimizing outages). Thanks to all for the attention, specially to Joost, which is checking the site (I became surprised when he pinged me a few days after the start of the outage). We'll tell you when the site be back. PS: FWIW, the official OOo mirrors here on Brazil were not affected. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [native-lang] BrOffice.org site (was: Bouncer again)
On 2007-07-18, at 20:45 , Caio Tiago Oliveira wrote: We'll tell you when the site be back. thanks! and, of course, having weekly figures will help greatly--both OOo and your group, too :-), as it will bring yet more attention to BR's successes. Best louis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
