date:20190205

For the release manager and his shadow:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+11.0

Gj

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:30 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> And, not just producing the release, but also herding cats beforehand. :-)
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:30 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+README#ApacheNetBeansReleaseREADME-ProducingaReleaseCandidate
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:
>>
>>> Silly question but what are the responsibilities of the Release Manager?
>>>
>>> Eric Bresie
>>> ebre...@gmail.com
>>> > On February 5, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM CST, Neil C Smith <
>>> neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:28, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> >  wrote:
>>> > > Sounds like Emilian is release manager, with Neil as the shadow
>>> release
>>> > > manager!
>>> >
>>> > Great! Still be good to get another person who wants to learn the
>>> > process in there too - partly prompted by Laszlo's comment about
>>> > learning while being main RM.
>>> >
>>> > > (Not to be confused with British politics where the 'shadow'
>>> minister is
>>> > > the opposition minister. :-) )
>>> >
>>> > In normal times, maybe. Now it's just everyone opposing everyone
>>> > else. I will try not to reflect the current chaos of British politics
>>> > in this! :-)
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> >
>>> > Neil
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> > For additional commands, e-mail:
>>> dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>>> >
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>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>

Re: Forcing download of binaries

Link works now so it was a temporary thing.

We have http://status.osuosl.org/ that shows: Corvallis, OR  -- Service
Disruption so there was something there.

--emi


On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 4:38 PM Antonio  wrote:

> For information about the cause of an HTTP 503 response code please see
>
> https://www.lifewire.com/503-service-unavailable-explained-2622940
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
> El 05/02/2019 a las 13:37, Enrico Olivelli escribió:
> > Hi,
> > today I have cloned a fresh new copy of NetBeans repository and I got
> > this error.
> > Is there any way to force the download ?
> >
> > Enrico
> >
> > BUILD FAILED
> >
> /home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/dev/incubator-netbeans/nbbuild/build.xml:128:
> > Could not download
> > D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip from
> > http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/: java.io.IOException: Could not
> > download D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
> > to
> /home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/.hgexternalcache/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip:
> > java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
> >
> http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
> > due to response code 503
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:249)
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.fillInFile(DownloadBinaries.java:190)
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.execute(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
> >  at
> org.apache.tools.ant.UnknownElement.execute(UnknownElement.java:293)
> >  at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)
> >  at
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
> >  at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)
> >  at
> org.apache.tools.ant.dispatch.DispatchUtils.execute(DispatchUtils.java:106)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Task.perform(Task.java:348)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.execute(Target.java:435)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.performTasks(Target.java:456)
> >  at
> org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeSortedTargets(Project.java:1405)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTarget(Project.java:1376)
> >  at
> org.apache.tools.ant.helper.DefaultExecutor.executeTargets(DefaultExecutor.java:41)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTargets(Project.java:1260)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:854)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.startAnt(Main.java:236)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:285)
> >  at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:112)
> > Caused by: java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
> >
> http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
> > due to response code 503
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.downloadFromServer(DownloadBinaries.java:275)
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.legacyDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:262)
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.lambda$execute$1(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
> >  at
> org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:226)
> >  ... 18 more
> >
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Re: Forcing download of binaries

2019-02-05 Thread Antonio


For information about the cause of an HTTP 503 response code please see

https://www.lifewire.com/503-service-unavailable-explained-2622940

Cheers,
Antonio

El 05/02/2019 a las 13:37, Enrico Olivelli escribió:

Hi,
today I have cloned a fresh new copy of NetBeans repository and I got
this error.
Is there any way to force the download ?

Enrico

BUILD FAILED
/home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/dev/incubator-netbeans/nbbuild/build.xml:128:
Could not download
D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/: java.io.IOException: Could not
download D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
to 
/home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/.hgexternalcache/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip:
java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
due to response code 503
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:249)
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.fillInFile(DownloadBinaries.java:190)
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.execute(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.UnknownElement.execute(UnknownElement.java:293)
 at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)
 at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
 at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)
 at 
org.apache.tools.ant.dispatch.DispatchUtils.execute(DispatchUtils.java:106)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Task.perform(Task.java:348)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.execute(Target.java:435)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.performTasks(Target.java:456)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeSortedTargets(Project.java:1405)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTarget(Project.java:1376)
 at 
org.apache.tools.ant.helper.DefaultExecutor.executeTargets(DefaultExecutor.java:41)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTargets(Project.java:1260)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:854)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.startAnt(Main.java:236)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:285)
 at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:112)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
due to response code 503
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.downloadFromServer(DownloadBinaries.java:275)
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.legacyDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:262)
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.lambda$execute$1(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
 at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:226)
 ... 18 more

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Re: Re: Who wants to be the release manager for NetBeans 11.0?

And, not just producing the release, but also herding cats beforehand. :-)

Gj

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:30 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+README#ApacheNetBeansReleaseREADME-ProducingaReleaseCandidate
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:
>
>> Silly question but what are the responsibilities of the Release Manager?
>>
>> Eric Bresie
>> ebre...@gmail.com
>> > On February 5, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM CST, Neil C Smith <
>> neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:28, Geertjan Wielenga
>> >  wrote:
>> > > Sounds like Emilian is release manager, with Neil as the shadow
>> release
>> > > manager!
>> >
>> > Great! Still be good to get another person who wants to learn the
>> > process in there too - partly prompted by Laszlo's comment about
>> > learning while being main RM.
>> >
>> > > (Not to be confused with British politics where the 'shadow' minister
>> is
>> > > the opposition minister. :-) )
>> >
>> > In normal times, maybe. Now it's just everyone opposing everyone
>> > else. I will try not to reflect the current chaos of British politics
>> > in this! :-)
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Neil
>> >
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
>> >
>> > For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: Re: Who wants to be the release manager for NetBeans 11.0?

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeans+Release+README#ApacheNetBeansReleaseREADME-ProducingaReleaseCandidate

Gj

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:04 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:

> Silly question but what are the responsibilities of the Release Manager?
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebre...@gmail.com
> > On February 5, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM CST, Neil C Smith <
> neilcsm...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:28, Geertjan Wielenga
> >  wrote:
> > > Sounds like Emilian is release manager, with Neil as the shadow release
> > > manager!
> >
> > Great! Still be good to get another person who wants to learn the
> > process in there too - partly prompted by Laszlo's comment about
> > learning while being main RM.
> >
> > > (Not to be confused with British politics where the 'shadow' minister
> is
> > > the opposition minister. :-) )
> >
> > In normal times, maybe. Now it's just everyone opposing everyone
> > else. I will try not to reflect the current chaos of British politics
> > in this! :-)
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> >
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> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: Re: Who wants to be the release manager for NetBeans 11.0?

2019-02-05 Thread Eric Bresie

Silly question but what are the responsibilities of the Release Manager?

Eric Bresie
ebre...@gmail.com
> On February 5, 2019 at 5:42:50 AM CST, Neil C Smith  
> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:28, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> > Sounds like Emilian is release manager, with Neil as the shadow release
> > manager!
>
> Great! Still be good to get another person who wants to learn the
> process in there too - partly prompted by Laszlo's comment about
> learning while being main RM.
>
> > (Not to be confused with British politics where the 'shadow' minister is
> > the opposition minister. :-) )
>
> In normal times, maybe. Now it's just everyone opposing everyone
> else. I will try not to reflect the current chaos of British politics
> in this! :-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> -
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Forcing download of binaries

2019-02-05 Thread Enrico Olivelli

Hi,
today I have cloned a fresh new copy of NetBeans repository and I got
this error.
Is there any way to force the download ?

Enrico

BUILD FAILED
/home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/dev/incubator-netbeans/nbbuild/build.xml:128:
Could not download
D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/: java.io.IOException: Could not
download D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
to 
/home/diennea.lan/enrico.olivelli/.hgexternalcache/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip:
java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
due to response code 503
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:249)
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.fillInFile(DownloadBinaries.java:190)
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.execute(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
at org.apache.tools.ant.UnknownElement.execute(UnknownElement.java:293)
at sun.reflect.GeneratedMethodAccessor4.invoke(Unknown Source)
at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:498)
at 
org.apache.tools.ant.dispatch.DispatchUtils.execute(DispatchUtils.java:106)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Task.perform(Task.java:348)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.execute(Target.java:435)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Target.performTasks(Target.java:456)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeSortedTargets(Project.java:1405)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTarget(Project.java:1376)
at 
org.apache.tools.ant.helper.DefaultExecutor.executeTargets(DefaultExecutor.java:41)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Project.executeTargets(Project.java:1260)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.runBuild(Main.java:854)
at org.apache.tools.ant.Main.startAnt(Main.java:236)
at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.run(Launcher.java:285)
at org.apache.tools.ant.launch.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:112)
Caused by: java.io.IOException: Skipping download from
http://netbeans.osuosl.org/binaries/D6330851B59C33A3A8D98C86FF438F23DD3B4267-ant-misc-1.10.4.zip
due to response code 503
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.downloadFromServer(DownloadBinaries.java:275)
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.legacyDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:262)
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.lambda$execute$1(DownloadBinaries.java:156)
at 
org.netbeans.nbbuild.extlibs.DownloadBinaries.doDownload(DownloadBinaries.java:226)
... 18 more

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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:46, Emilian Bold  wrote:
> Did you manage to digitally sign the EXE on Linux?

No, that's one thing I haven't looked at yet.  As far as I know it's
feasible though.  Did a fair bit of reading around Electron packaging
when making a choice of what to go with - various discussion of
options for signing .exe on Linux/Mac there.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

Did you manage to digitally sign the EXE on Linux?

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 13:13, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 10:17, Mark Phipps  wrote:
> > It is NBI for several reasons:
>
> Thanks.  Some thoughts inline.
>
> > 1. afaik it's the way that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why
> > can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ?
>
> It relies on the user already having a JRE/JDK installed, or bundling
> one inside.  As an Apache project, as things currently stand, we can't
> bundle the JDK.  We could potentially provide a more user-friendly
> installer that provides an optional step to download a JRE/JDK to run
> against, but at least that part of the installer can't be in Java for
> obvious reasons.
>
> > 2. part of the NB code base
>
> Personally I think there are pros and cons to that.  I'm shipping an
> application that is still NB8.2 based at the moment, but already moved
> away from NBI for other reasons.  There are currently better featured
> alternatives around, so another question is whether improving
> NetBean's own solution or improving integration with third-party
> solutions is a better use of our resources?
>
> > 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and
> > choose "Generate installers"
> > 4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have invested a huge amount of
> > time and effort working out how to tune the generation of installers
> > from our maven/ant build system.
> > 5. therefore all runs on linux, don't need Windows to generate a Windows
> > (or Mac) installer.
>
> Your requirements are very similar to my own there.  It's certainly
> feasible to use InnoSetup on Linux and integrate into an automated
> build pipeline.  It does require executing via the Wine libraries, but
> it's fairly easy to set up in Ant, can be run as part of Travis, etc.
>
> This is not specifically an argument in favour of InnoSetup - there
> are other options that work cross-platform too, and may remove Wine
> requirements, but it's the one that met my own RCP needs the best.
>
> > I don't want to use yet another technology like Innosetup (good as it
> > may be), because I don't run any of my build pipeline on Windows. I
> > don't want to learn Pascal scripting either.
>
> Neither do I, and haven't needed to resort to Pascal scripting as yet!
> :-)  I think we could even manage the JDK download and integration
> without scripting it, but need to read up more on that.  Certainly a
> standard RCP with straight bundling can be done without any Pascal.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Who wants to be the release manager for NetBeans 11.0?

Sounds like Emilian is release manager, with Neil as the shadow release
manager!

(Not to be confused with British politics where the 'shadow' minister is
the opposition minister. :-) )

Gj


On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:28 PM Laszlo Kishalmi 
wrote:

> Dear Emilian,
>
> I guess you missed, the second paragraph: I would be glad, if someone
> would like to take over this job as you know I have a other things on my
> plate as well.
>
> There is no need to withdraw your candidacy. You did a great service for
> the community once, I'm sure you will do it again.
>
> So go on Emilian be our Release Managed for 11.0!
>
>
> On 2/4/19 12:58 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > Well, I don't want to ruin your plans. I'm withdrawing my candidacy.
> >
> > Still, something was odd here. We should have a formal thread talking
> about
> > the release manager for a given release.
> >
> > A few people piled on when you announced interest in your feedback email
> > and it snow-balled from there. I actually noticed even then that it was
> odd
> > but I didn't say anything since we were still congratulating you for
> > NetBeans 10! I just assumed there would be a new thread once we get close
> > to the next release date.
> >
> > Guess this is why Apache ended up having so many rules...
> >
> > --emi
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:12 PM Laszlo Kishalmi <
> laszlo.kisha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Well,
> >>
> >> Yes, I assumed being the RM after the feedback and kind of acting like
> >> that since then.
> >>
> >> I would be glad, if someone would like to take over this job as you know
> >> I have a other things on my plate as well. As it is more certain that I
> >> would visit Europe in March this would make my life easier in the finish
> >> of the release.
> >>
> >> I just would like to be a RM once more, to do it better and with more
> >> confidence, than the first time, while I was learning this thing. So if
> >> not NetBeans 11.0, then probably the next one.
> >>
> >> On 2/4/19 2:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> >>> Kind of de facto since Laszlo volunteered to do it again and everyone
> >>> responded enthusiastically, my assumption was that he would be the
> >> release
> >>> manager for this release. And I think Laszlo has been assuming the same
> >>> thing.
> >>>
> >>> However, since this release incorporates his Gradle integration and
> he's
> >>> got several items to work on and probably more coming, this could be an
> >>> oppoprtunity for Laszlo to focus on the Gradle-related issues without
> >> being
> >>> distracted by release management -- though let's see how he responds to
> >>> this idea.
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks for volunteering Emilian, and anyone else as well!
> >>>
> >>> Gj
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:22 AM Emilian Bold 
> >> wrote:
>  Hello,
> 
>  We never had a proper announcement about the next release manager for
>  NetBeans 11.
> 
>  I know that Laszlo mentioned wanting another go at it in his
> `Feedback:
>  Release Management of Apache NetBeans (incubating) 10.0` thread.
> 
>  I also want to do NetBeans 11.
> 
>  I seem to remember that Junichi Yamamoto(?) also wanted to be the
> >> release
>  manager for NetBeans 9? Perhaps he wants to try it for NetBeans 11?
> 
>  Anybody else wants to give it a try?
> 
>  --emi
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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 10:17, Mark Phipps  wrote:
> It is NBI for several reasons:

Thanks.  Some thoughts inline.

> 1. afaik it's the way that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why
> can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ?

It relies on the user already having a JRE/JDK installed, or bundling
one inside.  As an Apache project, as things currently stand, we can't
bundle the JDK.  We could potentially provide a more user-friendly
installer that provides an optional step to download a JRE/JDK to run
against, but at least that part of the installer can't be in Java for
obvious reasons.

> 2. part of the NB code base

Personally I think there are pros and cons to that.  I'm shipping an
application that is still NB8.2 based at the moment, but already moved
away from NBI for other reasons.  There are currently better featured
alternatives around, so another question is whether improving
NetBean's own solution or improving integration with third-party
solutions is a better use of our resources?

> 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and
> choose "Generate installers"
> 4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have invested a huge amount of
> time and effort working out how to tune the generation of installers
> from our maven/ant build system.
> 5. therefore all runs on linux, don't need Windows to generate a Windows
> (or Mac) installer.

Your requirements are very similar to my own there.  It's certainly
feasible to use InnoSetup on Linux and integrate into an automated
build pipeline.  It does require executing via the Wine libraries, but
it's fairly easy to set up in Ant, can be run as part of Travis, etc.

This is not specifically an argument in favour of InnoSetup - there
are other options that work cross-platform too, and may remove Wine
requirements, but it's the one that met my own RCP needs the best.

> I don't want to use yet another technology like Innosetup (good as it
> may be), because I don't run any of my build pipeline on Windows. I
> don't want to learn Pascal scripting either.

Neither do I, and haven't needed to resort to Pascal scripting as yet!
:-)  I think we could even manage the JDK download and integration
without scripting it, but need to read up more on that.  Certainly a
standard RCP with straight bundling can be done without any Pascal.

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: Survey for Research on Lambda Expressions

Where will your agreggate data and final report be accessible under an
acceptable license and no cost?

Also, why do you need humans for your survey instead of looking at the
codebase which is open source?

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 11:39, FERNANDO PETRULIO 
wrote:

> Dear Apache devs,
> I'm a researcher from UZH and my team and I are conducting a study on
> Lambda Expressions and Functional Interface in APIs. Netbeans project is
> one of our targets and we would gather some information and opinion about
> this topic from you. So I would be really happy if you filled the survey at
> the following link:
>
> https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/4781913/704005e13cdb
>
> Kind Regards, Fernando Petrulio.
>
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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

> I believe that NBI has legs, at least as a way for NB Platform
applications to fill the gap left by the demise of Java Web Start. As I
have said before, I don't understand well how the NBI system works (yet
- I am trying), but I can't see any good reason why it should be abandoned.

I suspect very few people know how NBI works, it was always a bit magic.

If we can’t support it it might be simpler in time to just abandon it.

I also have a Platform project where the customer went the InnoSetup route.

I guess it’s a pain not to have everything cross-platform but you still
have to replace the launcher icon somehow and you have to sign the
installer (both of which I’ve always done on windows although in theory
doable anywhere)

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 12:17, Mark Phipps  wrote:

> Hi Neil,
>
> It is NBI for several reasons:
>
> 1. afaik it's the way that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why
> can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ?
> 2. part of the NB code base
> 3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and
> choose "Generate installers"
> 4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have invested a huge amount of
> time and effort working out how to tune the generation of installers
> from our maven/ant build system.
> 5. therefore all runs on linux, don't need Windows to generate a Windows
> (or Mac) installer.
>
> I don't want to use yet another technology like Innosetup (good as it
> may be), because I don't run any of my build pipeline on Windows. I
> don't want to learn Pascal scripting either.
>
> I believe that NBI has legs, at least as a way for NB Platform
> applications to fill the gap left by the demise of Java Web Start. As I
> have said before, I don't understand well how the NBI system works (yet
> - I am trying), but I can't see any good reason why it should be abandoned.
>
> Regards
> Mark
>
> On 05/02/2019 08:38, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, 16:15 Mark Phipps  >
> >> Whatever solutions you decide are best for installing NetBeans IDE
> >> itself, application providers need a way to bundle a JRE within the
> >> installer. I presume that everyone is still minded to use the NBI
> >> framework to accomplish this?
> >>
> > Personally, not in the slightest! I made a move on Linux to .deb (soon to
> > be AppImage or Snap), then on macOS to app bundle, and most recently
> > InnoSetup on Windows about a year ago. Bundling is a lot easier when the
> > installation process itself doesn't require the JRE. And I've barely
> > scratched the surface of InnoSetup's features but already got numerous
> > things that were more difficult to achieve via NBI.
> >
> > A question back would actually be, for you why NBI?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

On Sat, 2 Feb 2019 at 22:57, Wade Chandler  wrote:
> Too, it seems we could provide an installer that downloads the JDK for the
> end user, but that also can create and output a bundled installer for that
> end user; they would be building and distributing it. They could then place
> that on any server they wish, that isn't Apache's, and share that; even use
> it to create their Enterprise installers.

That's a really interesting idea!  Obviously other people can already
build bundled installers, but as an Apache project we can't do so
directly.  But we should be OK with an installer that can do this as
an optional step on the user side.  Now if that (or related code)
could also create bundles itself, that sounds really useful.  If it
could keep intact a reproducible and/or Apache-signed NetBeans binary
in the process, with some verification, maybe that is at least one
good criteria for allowing bundles to carry the Apache NetBeans + ...
name?

Best wishes,

Neil

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Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers

2019-02-05 Thread Mark Phipps

Hi Neil,

It is NBI for several reasons:

1. afaik it's the way that NetBeans IDE up to 8.2 was installed - why
can't it be used for 10.0, 11.0 ?

2. part of the NB code base
3. baked into Ant - right click on an Ant-based NB Platform project and
choose "Generate installers"
4. baked into the nbm-maven plugin. I have invested a huge amount of
time and effort working out how to tune the generation of installers
from our maven/ant build system.
5. therefore all runs on linux, don't need Windows to generate a Windows
(or Mac) installer.

I don't want to use yet another technology like Innosetup (good as it
may be), because I don't run any of my build pipeline on Windows. I
don't want to learn Pascal scripting either.

I believe that NBI has legs, at least as a way for NB Platform
applications to fill the gap left by the demise of Java Web Start. As I
have said before, I don't understand well how the NBI system works (yet
- I am trying), but I can't see any good reason why it should be abandoned.

Regards
Mark

On 05/02/2019 08:38, Neil C Smith wrote:

On Mon, 4 Feb 2019, 16:15 Mark Phipps
Whatever solutions you decide are best for installing NetBeans IDE
itself, application providers need a way to bundle a JRE within the
installer. I presume that everyone is still minded to use the NBI
framework to accomplish this?

Personally, not in the slightest! I made a move on Linux to .deb (soon to
be AppImage or Snap), then on macOS to app bundle, and most recently
InnoSetup on Windows about a year ago. Bundling is a lot easier when the
installation process itself doesn't require the JRE. And I've barely
scratched the surface of InnoSetup's features but already got numerous
things that were more difficult to achieve via NBI.

A question back would actually be, for you why NBI?

Best wishes,

Neil

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Survey for Research on Lambda Expressions

2019-02-05 Thread FERNANDO PETRULIO

Dear Apache devs,
I'm a researcher from UZH and my team and I are conducting a study on
Lambda Expressions and Functional Interface in APIs. Netbeans project is
one of our targets and we would gather some information and opinion about
this topic from you. So I would be really happy if you filled the survey at
the following link:

https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/4781913/704005e13cdb

Kind Regards, Fernando Petrulio.

Re: State of the Apache NetBeans installers