Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:45 AM Eric Bresie  wrote:
> ...Just curious where are the “standard ASF guidelines” mentioned for 
> reference?..

I meant "bylaws", sorry, here:

https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws

And also https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html

-Bertrand

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Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-03 Thread Eric Bresie
Just curious where are the “standard ASF guidelines” mentioned for reference?

Eric Bresie
ebre...@gmail.com
> On April 3, 2019 at 2:39:39 AM CDT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> Looks like that whole paragraph will be removed based in Bertrand's and
> Jan's earlier comments.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM Antonio  wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What about changing:
> >
> > "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> > development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "
> >
> > To
> >
> > "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache
> > NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?
> >
> > I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve
> > ... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC
> > to do the same.
> >
> > That looks unfair to me! :-D
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Antonio
> >
> >
> >
> > El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
> > >
> > > With one paragraph to remove:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > >  wrote:
> > > > ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is
> > tasked with
> > > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> > and
> > > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> > further...
> > >
> > > We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
> > > community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
> > > lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-03 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Looks like that whole paragraph will be removed based in Bertrand's and
Jan's earlier comments.

Gj

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:20 PM Antonio  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What about changing:
>
> "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "
>
> To
>
> "RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache
> NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?
>
> I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve
> ... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC
> to do the same.
>
> That looks unfair to me! :-D
>
> Cheers,
> Antonio
>
>
>
> El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:
> > Hi,
> >
> > the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!
> >
> > With one paragraph to remove:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> >  wrote:
> >> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is
> tasked with
> >> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and
> >> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further...
> >
> > We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
> > community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
> > lean on the standard ASF guidelines.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
> > -
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> >
> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Antonio

Hi all,

What about changing:

"RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked 
with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open 
development and increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; "


To

"RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked 
to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache 
NetBeans Project subject to the Bylaws of the Foundation; "?


I'm somewhat concerned about asking our future Vicepresident to "serve 
... subject to ... the Bylaws of the Foundation" and not to ask the PMC 
to do the same.


That looks unfair to me! :-D

Cheers,
Antonio



El 2/4/19 a las 16:54, Bertrand Delacretaz escribió:

Hi,

the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!

With one paragraph to remove:

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:

...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further...


We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
lean on the standard ASF guidelines.

-Bertrand

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Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
I think we’re broad enough as it is. The NetBeans umbrella is broad and
everything we do is a derivative or an extension of some kind of NetBeans
API.

Gh

On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 20:40, Jan Lahoda  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> > > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> > > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> > > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> > > or, if that is too general:
> > > "providing a development environment" => "providing development
> > environment
> > > and related tools"
> > > ?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
> > framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
> > do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
> > responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what
> we
> > do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to
> the
> > development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
> > for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.
> >
> > But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
> > we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
> > 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could
> become
> > too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
> > let's not make it even harder. :-)
> >
>
> OK, I am not insisting on this much, just trying to ensure that we have
> something broad enough to cover our activities.
>
> I was considering HTML4J, but that fits under the "application framework",
> no?
>
> Jan
>
> Just my 2c.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> >
> > > The section on "bylaws":
> > > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> > with
> > > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> > and
> > > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it
> further
> > >
> > > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> > > resolutions on other projects).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> > > >
> > > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> > > roster[3],
> > > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to
> > graduate[4],
> > > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the
> very
> > > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator
> to
> > > > become an Apache top level project.
> > > >
> > > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially
> before
> > > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection
> of
> > > the
> > > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates
> > from
> > > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> > > voted
> > > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> > > >
> > > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having
> > pointed
> > > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed
> and
> > > that
> > > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> > > >
> > > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will
> > begin
> > > on
> > > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > > > there,
> > > > that includes the resolution.
> > > >
> > > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Gj
> > > >
> > > > 1.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 2.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> > > >
> > > > 3.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> > > >
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > > >
> > > > 5.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e4

Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Jan Lahoda
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:03 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> > -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> > include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> > "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> > or, if that is too general:
> > "providing a development environment" => "providing development
> environment
> > and related tools"
> > ?
> >
> >
>
> I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
> framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
> do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
> responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what we
> do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to the
> development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
> for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.
>
> But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
> we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
> 'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could become
> too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
> let's not make it even harder. :-)
>

OK, I am not insisting on this much, just trying to ensure that we have
something broad enough to cover our activities.

I was considering HTML4J, but that fits under the "application framework",
no?

Jan

Just my 2c.
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> > The section on "bylaws":
> > RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked
> with
> > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development
> and
> > increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
> >
> > Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> > resolutions on other projects).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jan
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> > >
> > > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> > roster[3],
> > > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to
> graduate[4],
> > > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> > > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> > > become an Apache top level project.
> > >
> > > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> > > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of
> > the
> > > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates
> from
> > > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> > voted
> > > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> > >
> > > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having
> pointed
> > > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and
> > that
> > > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> > >
> > > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will
> begin
> > on
> > > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > > there,
> > > that includes the resolution.
> > >
> > > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > > 1.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 2.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> > >
> > > 3.
> > >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> > >
> > > 4.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 5.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 6.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> > >
> > > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the
> > > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation

Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 5:01 PM Jan Lahoda  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
> -would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
> include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
> "providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
> or, if that is too general:
> "providing a development environment" => "providing development environment
> and related tools"
> ?
>
>

I think 'development environment, tooling platform, and application
framework' is broad enough to cover netbeans-jackpot and anything else we
do, and there's also the phrase 'projects within the scope of
responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project', i.e., we could see what we
do quite broadly. E.g., jackpot is an extension or ancillary project to the
development environment as well as the tooling platform, the same is true
for html4j/DukeScript technologies etc.

But if you strongly disagree, we can discuss further. Personally, I think
we're pretty broad as it is already and if we make it even broader, and
'and related tools' is kind of assumed, I believe, anyway, it could become
too vague. It's hard enough as it is to explain what exactly NetBeans is,
let's not make it even harder. :-)

Just my 2c.

Gj



> The section on "bylaws":
> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
> resolutions on other projects).
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
>
> > Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
> >
> > Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> > project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our
> roster[3],
> > notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
> > voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> > next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> > resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> > resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> > become an Apache top level project.
> >
> > Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> > suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> > commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> > roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of
> the
> > size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
> > the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors
> voted
> > to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
> >
> > Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
> > out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and
> that
> > simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
> >
> > The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin
> on
> > general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> > there,
> > that includes the resolution.
> >
> > Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > 1.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 2.
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
> >
> > 3.
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
> >
> > 4.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 5.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 6.
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
> >
> > 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
> >
> > -
> >
> > Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the
> > Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> > Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> > open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related
> > to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
> > framework.
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC),
> > to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is
> established
> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Jan Lahoda
Hi,

Overall, looks OK to me. Two comments/questions:
-would it make sense the make the charter a little bit more general (to
include things like netbeans-jackpot/standalone (Java) hints) either:
"providing a development environment" => "providing developer tools"
or, if that is too general:
"providing a development environment" => "providing development environment
and related tools"
?

The section on "bylaws":
RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further

Should probably be removed (I think it has been removed from recent
resolutions on other projects).

Thanks,
Jan



On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:

> Dear Apache NetBeans community members:
>
> Since we have already voted and agreed on becoming a top level Apache
> project[1], worked through the maturity model[2], cleaned up our roster[3],
> notified the Apache Incubator that we have the intention to graduate[4],
> voted on a PMC chair[5], and followed our mentors' advice that the very
> next thing to do is to start this discussion thread on the draft
> resolution[6], I hereby would like to start a discussion on the draft
> resolution for Apache NetBeans to graduate from the Apache Incubator to
> become an Apache top level project.
>
> Please see the resolution below and provide comments, corrections,
> suggestions, and feedback. Be careful to note, again, especially before
> commenting on this, that we have spent a lot of time cleaning up our
> roster[3] and hence the length of the roster is simply a reflection of the
> size and scope of the project. The content of the roster originates from
> the list of initial committers[7], together with several contributors voted
> to be committers and PPMC members by the PPMC during incubation.
>
> Again, this is *NOT* a vote thread because of our mentors having pointed
> out that we have already voted and that another vote is not needed and that
> simply a discussion thread is the next step[6].
>
> The discussion is open for 72 hours. Then the same discussion will begin on
> general@incubator for graduation, followed by a [VOTE] on graduation
> there,
> that includes the resolution.
>
> Please feel free to reach out with any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> 1.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/72e59c722580fef2cbaa637735691a549756aeaa72c4cbf52265fbe0@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 2.
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans
>
> 3.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Realistic+PMC+Roster
>
> 4.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d1287b8c8aeb639c8648bd59129bf244c01f3c29c79889a7c8f2b4f0@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
> 5.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e0ecae84ac6e4a097a34ce7b2afe0e987e403fe32269fb3903895bbc@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 6.
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/e49a123f879c31abad142461c976b2b3446b6c1376ad7baaa1c64220@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E
>
> 7. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NetBeansProposal
>
> -
>
> Establish the Apache NetBeans Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the
> Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a
> Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public, related
> to providing a development environment, tooling platform, and application
> framework.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC),
> to be known as the "Apache NetBeans Project", be and hereby is established
> pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache NetBeans Project be and hereby is responsible for
> the creation and maintenance of software related to providing a development
> environment, tooling platform, and application framework; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache NetBeans" be and
> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction
> of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache NetBeans Project, and
> to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the
> scope of responsibility of the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache NetBeans Project:
>
> * Anton Epple 
> * Antonio Vieiro 
> * Aristides Villarreal 
> * Arunava Sinha 
> * Ate Douma 
> * Attila Kelemen 
> * Bertrand Delacretaz 
> * Bruno Flávio 
> * Bruno Souza 
> * Christian Lenz 
> * Constantin Drabo 
> * David Heffelfinger 
> * Daniel Gruno 
> * Dusan Balek 
> * Eirik Bakke 
> * Emilian Bold 
> * Emmanuel Hugonnet 
> * Eric Barboni 
> * Flo

Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi,

the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks!

With one paragraph to remove:

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
> ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with
> the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and
> increased participation in the Apache NetBeans Project; and be it further...

We don't ask for bylaws anymore, projects are welcome to create
community guidelines but that's not a requirement, they can also just
lean on the standard ASF guidelines.

-Bertrand

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