Re: Presentation templates for ApacheCon NA 2013

[Shenfeng Liu]

Saransh,
  Thanks very much for your help!
  As I mentioned below, you can refer to the Apache OpenOffice template
website  and ApacheCon EU 2012
template.
  We need to design 1 cover slide and 1 content slide. Last time we made
the visual design in 2000*1500 jpeg files firstly. If people like the
design, then we can take the picture as background and build the template
(which I'm good at and can help ^_^ ).

- Shenfeng (Simon)


2013/2/8 Saransh Sharma 

> Count me in I love designing ...so tell me where to start ...bytheway i am
> an designer
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Steve Holden  wrote:
>
>> Shenfeng:
>>
>> Thank you very much. I think given the season the Chinese contingent can
>> be said to have fulfilled its obligations.
>>
>> I trust you will all have a very joyous Spring Festival.
>>
>> If any volunteer reading this wishes to approach the task, please get in
>> touch.
>>
>> regards
>>  Steve
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>>
>> > I talked to Xin Li, who was the template designer of 2012 ApacheCon EU.
>> She kindly agreed to think about the template. But the problem is that next
>> week is Chinese Spring Festival Holidays, and Xin may not able to work on
>> it till Feb 16. Considering that we don't have much time left, I'd like to
>> call for more UX volunteers to work together on the template design.
>> > If any one have interest in the template design, you can refer to the
>> Apach OpenOffice template site here . And you can find the template used
>> for 2012 ApacheCon EU here .
>> > I think the key is the background theme, which, IMHO, should have:
>> > (1) Apache logo + conference name;
>> > (2) some character of the host (e.g. for 2012 ApacheCon EU, we designed
>> the ribbons of black+red+yellow to indicate that it was hosted in Germany).
>> >
>> > Just my 0.02$. And I also copied to openoffice dev list, hoping to have
>> more volunteers.
>> >
>> > - Shenfeng (Simon)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2013/2/7 Steve Holden 
>> > I believe Daniel Gruno was kind enough to do some graphics for us for
>> ACEU, and I believe ShenFeng Liu of the Open Office Group prepared the
>> templates. I have copied them both in case they would like to, and have
>> time to, help.
>> >
>> > regards
>> >  Steve
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 6, 2013, at 10:21 AM, Mark Grover wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >> I was looking to see if there are any presentation templates available
>> for
>> >> ApacheCon NA 2013.
>> >>
>> >> I found some graphics at http://holdenweb.com/acna13gfx/ but no
>> >> presentation templates. I also found a similar thread for ApacheCon
>> Europe
>> >> with some templates (
>> >>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-apachecon-discuss/201210.mbox/%3c506bcc23.6070...@nanthrax.net%3E
>> )
>> >> but nothing for ApacheCon NA 2013.
>> >>
>> >> Any pointers or templates would be much appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> Mark
>> >
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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 07.02.2013 22:10, schrieb Pavel Janík:
>> In my opinion the problem is not only the problem with the trade mark (or 
>> the simple program-name) but also a public relations problem.
>> I do not know the team of Feodora, but I know many people of LO / TDF and, 
>> let me be clear, _some_ (_not_ all) consider it well to cultivate a public 
>> representation that users subliminally says that LO's successor OOo is . 
>> (not as an official statement, but subliminally)
> 
> Is it LO who is infringing on our trademark or is it Fedora who is misusing 
> our trademark for other project? Shouldn't we notify Fedora people politely 
> about this situation and let them (and help them!) solve the issue first?

It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
their system.

Regards
Michael




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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[David Gerard]

On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann  wrote:

> It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
> transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
> their system.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use


- d.

Build Error Mac OS, VCL Module, ai2 branch

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

I have a build error on the VCL Module with the ai2 branch. This build 
mashine (Mac OS X 10.5 Intel) has no problem to build AOO from the 
master. I forgott the command to create de debug output, can sameone 
piont me to the right manual? Thanks a load!


Greetings Raphael

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello,

> > It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux 
> distributions using such
> > transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
> > their system.
> 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use

Mmh ... 

I read that, but what is your opinion? Did you mean that the current situation 
is OK or this needs to be improved?

I think Rob's statement was correct, or in other words:

Maybe Pepsi is good, Maybe Coke is good, Maybe both are good

but:

Pepsi in a Coke bottle is not good and Coke in a Pepsi bottle is also not good.


note:
I'm _not_ talking about the _technical part_, because of it I do not know 
enough. But I'm talking about the public impact of terms.


Greetings,
Jörg

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 08.02.2013 10:57, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello,
> 
>>> It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux 
>> distributions using such
>>> transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
>>> their system.
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use
> 
> Mmh ... 
> 
> I read that, but what is your opinion? Did you mean that the current 
> situation is OK or this needs to be improved?
> 
> I think Rob's statement was correct, or in other words:
> 
> Maybe Pepsi is good, Maybe Coke is good, Maybe both are good
> 
> but:
> 
> Pepsi in a Coke bottle is not good and Coke in a Pepsi bottle is also not 
> good.
> 
> 
> note:
> I'm _not_ talking about the _technical part_, because of it I do not know 
> enough. But I'm talking about the public impact of terms.
> 
IMO it's not the best way trying to make Apache OpenOffice part of
GNU/Linuy distributions again to blame them.

Yes, I'm also talking about the public impact.

So let's concentrate to the thinks, which are now important, as Andrea
has proposed.

Regards
Michael





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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello Michael, 

> IMO it's not the best way trying to make Apache OpenOffice part of
> GNU/Linuy distributions again to blame them.

Please can I have this sentence in german? 
I've been thinking now 5 minutes, but I'm not sure what you mean _exactly_.


Greetings,
Jörg

RE: Draft blog post: $21 million per day

[Hans Zybura]

Excellent blog post! I'll write about and link to it in my own blog and will 
continue to recommend AOO to my customers (schools/teachers/speech and clinical 
therapists).

In my view, it is absolutely essential to have an adequate competitor to 
Microsoft Office - for many reasons: quality, development, long-time 
reliability(!), user friendliness, and of course price. 

So the value to the public you are providing goes far beyond what the money 
value can express. Perhaps you could add something along the line that for AOO 
to be a competitor to be reckoned with is probably the most valuable 
contribution to the world of professional productivity, valuable even for users 
that stay with Microsoft Office.

Hans

> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 1:40 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: Sally Khudairi
> Subject: Draft blog post: $21 million per day
> 
> https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=21_million_per_day
> 
> Hoping to publish early next week.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:48 AM, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann  wrote:
>
>> It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
>> transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
>> their system.
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use
>

That's not nominative use.  Nominative use would be to use the
trademark in talking about the trademarked product.  Using the
trademark to describe some other product is not nominative use.  This
argument is even stronger when we have, as we do, documented cases of
users being confused, thinking they are getting OpenOffice, but
instead getting LibreOffice.

-Rob

>
> - d.

Re: AOO on the Cloud

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Hi

Em 08/02/2013 01:01 AM, Fernando Cassia escreveu:


http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/11/08/1658257/cloud-version-of-openoffice-in-the-works


Tks.

Apresentation in the ApacheCON [1].

1 - 
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/apache_openoffice_track_at_apachecon


It's because I do not read many emails on this topic.

The Cloud of AOO will be very good this feature, we look at all 
possibilities in his cloud.


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Re: Bugzilla -- Any interest in enabling "categories"?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:29 AM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> You can see our current Bugzilla taxonomy here:
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/describecomponents.cgi
>> We have around 50 top-level "products" and within that each product
>> has one or more "components". ...
>>
>> Bugzilla has an option that we can enable that would add an additional
>> level to the hierarchy, called "categories".
>
>
> I wouldn't add a new level of hierarchy to a system that is already quite
> complex. But some of the existing products could become components of the
> existing "obsolete" product (groupware, oopm, wp, user-faq,
> special_projects, kde, printing, testextension, stats...) and the
> description of the core applications could be improved by adding their name:
> for example,
>   ---
> word processor: This is the word processor and HTML editor application.
>   ---
> should include "Writer" somewhere.
>

If you think we can get down to a small number of top-level products
this way, then this is fine.  But going from 50 to 40 or even 50 to 30
won't really improve things.  We really want something under 10:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magical_Number_Seven,_Plus_or_Minus_Two

Note:  what experienced BZ issues feel on this question, and how new
users experience it, will be entirely different.  New users don't have
the taxonomy memorized.  They don't know what they are looking for
exactly.  So scanning a list of 30 items is a problem for them.

So with a new top-level category, I can easily get to 3 or 4 top level
items, and then under applications reduce it to the core set of 5
products.  Can we get anywhere close by combining products/

-Rob

> Regards,
>   Andrea.

Re: Will AOO write .docx?

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 2/7/13 9:44 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Andrea,
> 
> Andrea Pescetti schrieb:
>> On 01/02/2013 David Gerard wrote:
>>> Is .docx writing scheduled for AOO any given time, 4.0 or later?
>>
>> I expect that sooner or later we will implement it. But, in order to
>> avoid unnecessary duplication of work, we will want to take a look at
>> what comes out of the OSB Alliance effort
>> http://s.apache.org/openoffice-aceu2012-day-3
>> before tackling it. In short, I see it reasonable to expect this for
>> some 4.x version, but not for 4.0.
>>
> 
> LibreOffice has already integrated parts of it. Shouldn't we ask
> Matthias Stürmer to sent us the source code?
> 

the work was done on the LibreOffice code base which is no surprise
because Suse and Lanedo were contracted to do the work. It is also no
surprise that there is no patch available today. The information I have
is that the patches will be provided at the end of the project. And if
we can then use the patches is open and depends on the code itself and
the dependencies to other work not directly part of the OSBA project. We
tried to emphasize this problem with Mathias Stuermer during the
ApacheCon EU last year.

We should simply wait until we have seen and reviewed the first patches.

But to make it clear for everybody we are willing to collaborate on this
topic with other projects and especially LO to provide the best and most
complete solution for the users of OO and the eco system around free
open source based office productivity suites.

When I read in the morning that a user was introduced to uninstall
OpenOffice and install LibreOffice 4.0 and after that he had problems
with an OpenOffice doc file (whatever doc means in detail) where
formatting was lost or where things looked different. These are the
issues which are more serious and they damage the whole eco-system and
another company will be quite happy to read such things :-(

Juergen

Re: MIME type of current document

[Kai Labusch]

Hi,

we think that we found a solution for this problem. So far, it works with 
the documents we tested.

Let textDocument be the current document that has been obtained from the 
model.

String getFileFormat(XTextDocument textDocument)
{
   try {
   final Object objTypeDetection =  
context.getServiceManager().createInstanceWithContext(
   "com.sun.star.document.TypeDetection", context);

final XTypeDetection typeDetection =
  UnoRuntime.queryInterface(XTypeDetection.class, 
objTypeDetection);

final XNameAccess typeNameAccess = 
  
UnoRuntime.queryInterface(XNameAccess.class,objTypeDetection);

final String typeByURL = 
  typeDetection.queryTypeByURL(textDocument.getURL());

final PropertyValue[] typeProperties = (PropertyValue[])   
 typeNameAccess.getByName(typeByURL);

for (final PropertyValue property : typeProperties) {
if (property.Name.equals("MediaType")) {
return (String) property.Value;
}
}

return "";

 } catch (final Exception e) {
return "";
   }
}

Regards,
Kai Labusch

Re: Sidebar color scheme survey

[Kevin Grignon]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Kevin Grignon 
> wrote:
> > KG 01
> >
> > On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrea Pescetti 
> wrote:
> >>> On 29/01/2013 Andre Fischer wrote:
> 
>  I would like to ask you to either look at the mockups at [1] or try
> the
>  developer builds [2] and tell me what color scheme you like best.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have two votes for A2 at
> >>>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-progetto-it/201301.mbox/browser
> >>> to which I'll add mine too. So make it +3 for proposal A2 as listed at
> >>>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_UX_Design_Exploration_-_Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_User_Interface_Design_Proposals#Task_Pane_Content_Panel_-_UX_Design_propoals
> >>>
> >>
> >> A bunch of responses on Facebook as well:
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/ApacheOO/posts/490670047645797
> >>
> >> I asked for a preference and "why", so the comments are interesting as
> well.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >
> > Can someone summarize the sentiment on facebook for those of us who
> cannot access such social media sites.
> >
>
> Sorry.  It is easy to forget that Facebook is not accessible
> everywhere.  Here is a copy/paste:
>
>
> Tomáš Kebert B2. Gradient would look inconsistent on different
> platforms, emboss looks oldschool, and so does the dark gray
> background of titles.
>
> Tomáš Kebert On a different note, I think something like "apply these
> setting on the style used" would come in handy added to such panel.
>
> Martin Schröder i'd vote for proposal 2, but i don't like either of
> a,b,c. i think b is the most clearly variant, but the groups of
> buttons should be separated differently (i don't know how...)
>
> Shaun Michael Coates Proposal 3 - My eyes easily distinguished content
> panels with this option.
>
> Proposal B - The simple lines as a spliter looks the cleanest.
>
> Rob Lewellyn Proposal 3. Nicest contrast!
>
> Luis Elizondo B3 is my favorite. B2 it's nice too.
>
> Michael Cohen B3 is my pick! It's easy to read and it's separates the
> buttons nicely.
>
> Matthew Nelson B3 BINGO!
>
> Mindaugas Baranauskas A3
>
> Francesco Esposito even the toolbar at the top of the same color
> (gray), the pale blue of Windows is horrible
>
> Francesco Esposito A2 or B2
>
> Raffaello Palandri A1
>
> Osvaldo Meloni VERY DIFFICUL diria Tevez !
>
> Ariel Shushan B3 - easiest to read
>
> Gonzalo Varela B1 for me. Classy, easy on eyes and clear to read, I
> avoid bright backgrunds in apps that you spend a lot of time workin on
> it. Keep it simple please.
>
> Cátia Gonçalves B2
>
>
> Rob,

Thanks for sharing.

Two comments align with some earlier comments in this thread:

1) use a grey background to keep the focus on the document
2) use of gradient should be used to provide contrast where required

Kevin



>
> > Thanks,
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>  Andrea.
>

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[RA Stehmann]

Am 08.02.2013 11:34, schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> Hello Michael, 
> 
>> IMO it's not the best way trying to make Apache OpenOffice part of
>> GNU/Linuy distributions again to blame them.
> 
> Please can I have this sentence in german? 
> I've been thinking now 5 minutes, but I'm not sure what you mean _exactly_.
> 

Bitte schön:

Meines Erachtens nach ist es nicht der beste Weg, Apache OpenOffice
wieder in die GNU/Linux-Distributionen hineinzubekommen (sie wieder zu
einem Teil der GNU/Linux-Distributionen zu machen), diesen Vorwürfe zu
machen.

(Wobei "blame" etwas stärker gemeint sein kann, etwa im Sinne
"beschuldigen", "anschuldigen".)

Regards
Michael




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Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[David Gerard]

On 8 February 2013 11:55, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:48 AM, David Gerard  wrote:
>> On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann  
>> wrote:

>>> It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
>>> transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
>>> their system.

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use

> That's not nominative use.  Nominative use would be to use the
> trademark in talking about the trademarked product.  Using the
> trademark to describe some other product is not nominative use.  This
> argument is even stronger when we have, as we do, documented cases of
> users being confused, thinking they are getting OpenOffice, but
> instead getting LibreOffice.


A transitional package is something a distribution uses for upgrades
of the whole distribution. Transitional packages are not things
intended for installation by the end user. They are used when a
package has changed names, or when one package has been removed and
replaced with another.

In the latter case, the old software is referred to by its name, as
the thing intended to be removed; that's a functional requirement.

In a thread about trying to get distributions to take on AOO, you're
talking about sending legal claims to distributions to try to stop
them using the standard mechanisms they used to leave openoffice.org.
It is possible this may not give anything like the desired result. (I
could be wrong, of course, and you could succeed hugely.)


- d.

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, David Gerard  wrote:
> On 8 February 2013 11:55, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 3:48 AM, David Gerard  wrote:
>>> On 8 February 2013 08:45, RA Stehmann  
>>> wrote:
>
 It's not only Fedora, but also other GNU/Linux distributions using such
 transitional packages. It's a common way supporting users to update
 their system.
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use
>
>> That's not nominative use.  Nominative use would be to use the
>> trademark in talking about the trademarked product.  Using the
>> trademark to describe some other product is not nominative use.  This
>> argument is even stronger when we have, as we do, documented cases of
>> users being confused, thinking they are getting OpenOffice, but
>> instead getting LibreOffice.
>
>
> A transitional package is something a distribution uses for upgrades
> of the whole distribution. Transitional packages are not things
> intended for installation by the end user. They are used when a
> package has changed names, or when one package has been removed and
> replaced with another.
>

No one is arguing the facts of what our trademark is being used for.
Obviously it has been used to replace OpenOffice.org with LibreOffice.
 These facts are not in dispute.  The question is whether this is a
legitimate use of the trademark, whether permission was granted, and
whether this is confusing to consumers.  Whether the consumer is an
"end user" or a "power user" or an  "admin" is irrelevant.  We have
documented reports of confusion caused by this.

Regards,

-Rob

> In the latter case, the old software is referred to by its name, as
> the thing intended to be removed; that's a functional requirement.
>
> In a thread about trying to get distributions to take on AOO, you're
> talking about sending legal claims to distributions to try to stop
> them using the standard mechanisms they used to leave openoffice.org.
> It is possible this may not give anything like the desired result. (I
> could be wrong, of course, and you could succeed hugely.)
>
>
> - d.

Re: Apache OpenOffice in Fedora 19?

[Jörg Schmidt]

Hello Michael, 

> Bitte schön:
> 
> Meines Erachtens nach ist es nicht der beste Weg, Apache OpenOffice
> wieder in die GNU/Linux-Distributionen hineinzubekommen (sie wieder zu
> einem Teil der GNU/Linux-Distributionen zu machen), diesen Vorwürfe zu
> machen.

Ich mache den Linux-Distributoren (oder Distributionen) keinerlei Vorwürfe, 
_wirklich nicht_. Ich werde nur das Gefühl nicht los, das Einige bei TDF/LO 
(*nicht* bei den Linux-Distributionen) die derzeitige Situation ganz 
'komfortabel' für LO finden.



There are problems and we have to speak about it, but that has nothing to do 
with allegations. I myself have made _no_ allegations against the Linux 
distributors.

I think it is also not for _the core_ of things about formal legal naming 
rights to speak.

Only one problem and that is, the user will be confused when LO known 
internally as OpenOffice. Or how else do I rename the situation?

The use of Open Office, as internal name is not necessarily the problem, 
however, is unclear to me what you mean what do AOO?
It surely can not be the solution that is called AOO in Linux distributions 
'no-name office' just because LO already taken the name OpenOffice.

You can not describe it as a reproach, that AOO want to be called by his name.



Greetings,
Jörg

Re: Draft blog post: $21 million per day

[Donald Whytock]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Donald Whytock  wrote:
>> Looking at the map...That grey piece on the end of Somalia is, as far
>> as I know, part of Somalia.  Beyond that, there's apparently only two
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland ??

"Somaliland's self-proclaimed independence remains unrecognised by any
country or international organisation."

But hey, if there's no downloads from there...

Re: About Tutorial

[Henry Tiquet Leyva]

Ok, Thank you Regina Henschel


2013/2/7 Regina Henschel 

> Hi Henry,
>
> Henry Tiquet Leyva schrieb:
>
>  Hi team,
>> I am beging with the hackings in AOo. I have already built the source code
>>   and I have done the "about" tutorial but I have not idea how to see the
>> changes.
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/**wiki/Tutorial_About
>> I am working with Ubuntu 12.10
>>
>>
> Please read my answer to Jorge. I think you problem is very similar.
>
> If you first want to learn the work-flow without really fixing a bug, you
> can for example alter the position of a button and watch the changed
> position in the new AOO later on.
>
> You should then find an area of interest or an "easy" bug to really start
> work.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>

Bug hunting weekend

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi at all

Long time ago, at the old OpenOffice.org project we have had a 24 hour 
Bughunting meeting. And it was bloody fun.


Well, it's not the best situation if it's not annonced befor, but I 
simply would like to give it a try. So jump into our qa irc channel:


Network: freenode.net
Channel: qa.openoffice.org

See you at the IRC channel

Greetings Raphael

Re: Bug hunting weekend

[Jürgen Schmidt]

On 2/8/13 5:15 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote:
> Hi at all
> 
> Long time ago, at the old OpenOffice.org project we have had a 24 hour
> Bughunting meeting. And it was bloody fun.
> 
> Well, it's not the best situation if it's not annonced befor, but I
> simply would like to give it a try. So jump into our qa irc channel:
> 
> Network: freenode.net
> Channel: qa.openoffice.org
> 
> See you at the IRC channel
> 

I like your idea but I think it should be planned better and no ad-hoc
event.

Juergen

Hello OpenOffice

[Rosie Yohannan]

Hi,

My name is Rosie, I live in Manchester (UK) and I work as a technical 
manager in a University looking after recording studios and a small post 
production facility. I have used OpenOffice for 10 years now and have 
found it invaluable! I am also very interested in the history of science 
and technology and have an MSc in that subject. Anyway, I'm here because 
I am hoping to train myself as a technical writer and thought getting 
involved in open source projects would be a good way to gain experience 
and give something back to a project that I have gained so much from.


I'm looking forward to being involved!

Thanks,
Rosie

Re: Bug hunting weekend

[janI]

I too like the ideabut lets plan it a bit more in advance, and announce
it via mailing list and blog.

GOOD INITATIVE !

rgds
Jan I.

On 8 February 2013 17:15, Raphael Bircher  wrote:

> Hi at all
>
> Long time ago, at the old OpenOffice.org project we have had a 24 hour
> Bughunting meeting. And it was bloody fun.
>
> Well, it's not the best situation if it's not annonced befor, but I simply
> would like to give it a try. So jump into our qa irc channel:
>
> Network: freenode.net
> Channel: qa.openoffice.org
>
> See you at the IRC channel
>
> Greetings Raphael
>

Re: Bug hunting weekend

[Raphael Bircher]

Am 08.02.13 17:22, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:

On 2/8/13 5:15 PM, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Hi at all

Long time ago, at the old OpenOffice.org project we have had a 24 hour
Bughunting meeting. And it was bloody fun.

Well, it's not the best situation if it's not annonced befor, but I
simply would like to give it a try. So jump into our qa irc channel:

Network: freenode.net
Channel: qa.openoffice.org

See you at the IRC channel


I like your idea but I think it should be planned better and no ad-hoc
event.
Well maybe it needs mor planing, but maybe we can get also enough people 
on board without planing, and this would be great. So if you have time, 
simply jump in.


Greetings Raphael

RE: Sidebar color scheme survey

[Manuel del Valle]

I like proposal B (I think it's the most "stylish" one, and adds less visual 
noise), but I tend to agree with Kevin's comments: I'd like better a mix 
between B1 and B3: light grey panel + dark grey title. That way, it does 
provide certain contrast for the title, but doesn't draw too much attention to 
the panel itself, allowing the user to focus his/her attention on the doc.
Otherwise, it does look nice ;)

Greetings,

Manuel
  

Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.

[Kay Schenk]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> If I understand correctly, the goal is to emphasize the message and links
> to drive action.
>
> Robs suggestion to create a compelling graphic makes sense.
>
> Beyond font colour, we can use more info design and visual design to call
> attention to the message.
>

I'm not srue about using a graphic except maybe in background, since the
wording changes all the time. The Announcement area could do with some
styling changes however, especially in light of its tendency to clobber our
default tabs on phone display.  On my browser setup, I disallow font
changes.. I don't know how many other do this, but maybe just dealing with
size, color and placement of the Announcement font would be optimal.


> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2013, at 7:16 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> >
> > On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you Dave!
> >>
> >> It's still perfectly visible without being too scandalous. I like it.
> >>
> >> Now for a new bikeshed ... I would use "Volunteers wanted", instead of
> "Volunteers needed" ;).
> >
> > Semantics are important!
> >
> >>
> >> Just kidding ...  :).
> >
> > It's not a bikeshed it is a good point! Done!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dave
> >
> >>
> >> Pedro.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> 
> >>> Da: Dave Fisher 
> >>> A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> >>> Inviato: Venerdì 1 Febbraio 2013 17:49
> >>> Oggetto: Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Tanja Meece wrote:
> >>>
>  Red immediately sends up a warning flag in my mind and that of other
> user's
>  I'm sure.
> >>>
> >>> That was the original intent.
> >>>
>  There has to be some way to change the color.
> >>>
> >>> There is and it is done! It is now the same blue as the rest of the
> header text.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> 
>  TMCM
> 
>  On Feb 1, 2013 9:43 AM, "Pedro Giffuni"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> 
> >> Da: Dave Fisher
> > ...
>  Can we change the red title in the website ("Call for Volunteers",
>  as of lately) to dark blue?
> 
>  The reasons:
> 
>  - The tone of red chosen looks like it was made to fit at the last
>  moment. It has no aesthetic coherence with the rest of the
> website.
> >>
> >> It was chosen quickly and I was thinking it would be for unusual
> events.
> >>
> >>
> > Firstly, I hope I am doing this properly, if not I apologize in
>  advance.
> >
> > I agree. I believe that a red sends the wrong signals. It sends
> up
>  more of a warning flag, rather than an invitation for volunteers.
> >
> > The first time I saw it I thought I'd done something wrong.
> >
> > I recall it started when we were about to release 3.4 and the blog
> went
> > down so we just had to release on the website.
> >
> >> Now it appears to be a common element which is OK.
> >>
> >
> > It is being changed everytime there's something to communicate:
> > Like if we break (yet) another download milestone.
> >
> > The red chair is becoming part of the furniture.
> >
> >>
> 
>  - It makes us look desperate (or so seem to think some bloggers).
> 
> >>>
> >>> The concern should be "what works?" Not "what some bloggers think".
> >>> Breaking out from the visual clutter of the page is important. We
> want
> >>> to stand out, not blend in and be overlooked. IMHO.
> >>
> >> I like blue if it will always be there
> >>
> >
> > I suspect we will have it forever :(.
> >
> >>>
> >>> Oh course there are other ways of standing out, like with a banner
> >>> graphic. That could give us a more professional image while still
> >>> standing out.
> >>
> >> What ever can be done...
> >>
> >
> > Again, just chose a color for the bikeshed that seems average
> > among the proposals ;).
> >
> > Pedro.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>



-- 

MzK

"A great deal of talent is lost to the world
  for want of a little courage."
 -- Sydney Smith

Re: Hello OpenOffice

[Albino Biasutti Neto]

Em 08/02/2013 02:15 PM, Rosie Yohannan escreveu:

I'm looking forward to being involved!


Hi and Welcome !

You can read as involve on project [1]. The mailing with your interest 
[2].


1 - http://openoffice.apache.org/get-involved.html
2 - http://openoffice.apache.org/mailing-lists.html

--
Albino Biasutti Neto
Software Livre | Open Source | Free Software
albino.ws  ...  @bino28 no identi.ca
~bino28 -- s.apache.org/zKb

Volunteering

[Rosie Yohannan]

Hi All,

I have just added myself to the directory of volunteers!

Rosie

Re: Open Office spreadsheet

[Rob Weir]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM, David A Yablonsky Sr
 wrote:
> I am, if not a spreadsheet power user, at least a spreadsheet developer,
> since 1982. Having experienced Visicalc, Multiplan, Lotus and Lotus clones,
> Quattro and Excel and others, I have come to the sad conclusion that
> spreadsheet applications have become overdeveloped due to the influence of
> Microsoft's programming philosophies.
>
> Specifically, Microsoft has demanded that Basic must be used to develop
> macros in spreadsheets. For this reason, I use Quattro, which is apparently
> the only spreadsheet to still use Lotus-style spreadsheet macros.
>

I remember reading in "Computer Languages" magazine (now defunct)
around 1992 or so, the results of a survey of the most-common
programming languages use in businesses.  It was not COBOL, C or
BASIC.  The winner was the "1-2-3 macro language".  That language
enabled end-user programming (or scripting, or whatever you want to
call it).  You are right that today's apps concentrate more on
capabilities for the professional programmer.

I don't think this is because we're chasing after Excel.  Personally,
I think it is because these interfaces tend to be developed by
professional programmers.  So they tend to meet the needs of
professional programmers.   Of course if we had always thought like
that we wouldn't even have spreadsheets, since the spreadsheet itself,
even without macros, is the tool that brought power to the masses, in
the form of spreadsheet formulas.

In any case, thanks for the reminder that end-user/power-user
capabilities short of programming are important.

Regards,

-Rob


> The linear style and modular storage of Basic-based macros limit the ability
> of those users who are NOT programmers to develop useful complex macro
> routines not only because of the requirement to become a Basic programmer,
> but because there are actions available in Lotus-style macros that  make
> Basic programming of the same actions a complicated nightmare.
>
> In addition, I deplore the loss of database construction and query in
> contemporary spreadsheet applications. This is another reason I use Quattro.
> I can create a relatively small database and then query it without knowing
> SQL or using another application to query the database. What ever happened
> to "keep it simple"? If one wants to only manage a database, Access or other
> database applications are great, but if one wants to integrate a small
> database with spreadsheet functions, you're out of luck.
>
> Spreadsheet applications all seem to want to compete with Excel, on the
> assumption that they can garner a share of the market that Microsoft has
> pretty much monopolized. As for me, this is wrong-headed, because if you
> want to grab some market-share, your product should offer something
> different than Excel; mainly, simplicity. Don't get me wrong, I use Excel
> for many business applications. It's just that I find that for some of the
> processes I perform on a daily basis, Excel simply can't perform due its
> requirement that macros must be developed in Basic and the lack of ability
> to query a limited internal database. I have downloaded Open Office and find
> it to be on the path to Excel's blind alley. Too bad. What are needed are
> some new views of what is really useful to the user, instead of chasing
> Microsoft's arrogant "my way or the highway" philosophies.
>
>
>
> D. A. Yablonsky Sr.
>
>   truetax2...@gmail.com
>
> Phone: 951-279-7026
>
> Cell: 951-520-5187
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Hello OpenOffice

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Rosie Yohannan  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My name is Rosie, I live in Manchester (UK) and I work as a technical
> manager in a University looking after recording studios and a small post
> production facility. I have used OpenOffice for 10 years now and have found
> it invaluable! I am also very interested in the history of science and
> technology and have an MSc in that subject. Anyway, I'm here because I am
> hoping to train myself as a technical writer and thought getting involved in
> open source projects would be a good way to gain experience and give
> something back to a project that I have gained so much from.
>

Hi Rosie,

If you are interested in technical writing, we have another list
dedicated to documentation.  You can subscribe to it by sending an
email to doc-subscr...@openoffice.apache.org.

Regards,

-Rob


> I'm looking forward to being involved!
>
> Thanks,
> Rosie

Re: Unable to register

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Dave  Raby  wrote:
> https://registration2.services.openoffice.org/RegistrationWeb/register/urn:st:68af7ce0-52a0-4593-83b8-c8083a45f397?product=OpenOffice.org&locale=en&cid=926117
>
> My browser IE is advising me to close this website as it has not certified 
> and may be unsafe.
>
> An ideas?
>

It sounds like you are installing an old version of OpenOffice.  The
current version (3.4.1) does not require registration.  You can
download it from http://www.openoffice.org/download.

In any case, you can ignore the warning you are getting in your
browser.  Even if you got past that warning it would just take you to
a page that said you were registering an outdated version of
OpenOffice and would direct you to the download page for the current
version.  So I just saved you a step ;-)

-Rob


> Regards
>
> Dave Raby

Re: Mwiki is moved into maintenance mode.

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 04/02/2013 janI wrote:

We have just completed the last optimization of wiki.o.o, which means that
it has entered maintenance mode.


Thanks a lot for your efforts! Getting full control over the wiki again 
is a milestone for this project.



- Move cwiki to mwiki.
this has been discussed/decided earlier, but might need a positive
decision.


I agree, we can progressively move stuff by turning pages into redirects 
to the MWiki. This may take time but could be the less problematic way 
(for example, I had created the FOSDEM pages on the cwiki but they 
should be moved to the mwiki since other FOSDEM pages are archived 
there). A drastic redirect could confuse people who are actively working 
on some pages, like the logo discussions.


Is there some filter to allow smooth translation of cwiki syntax?

And note, not to miss anything we actually have two cwikis:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV
but the former is the only one with some meaningful content, the second 
is almost empty.



- Mark outdated paged with category outdated, and symbol on page


I use this:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Features&diff=214742&oldid=189126
which produces a clear "Outdated" notice and categorizes the page 
accordingly. If there are better ways, let me know.


I tend to do that on all pages I stumble upon that are clearly outdated.

Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Problem with the API forum

[Hagar Delest]

Could you make clear about what forum you're talking about?
I checked the EN forum and there is no user with your mail address (I checked 
with the address used for the dev list but also your first name and last name 
alone).

Hagar
EN forum admin team


Le 07/02/2013 22:57, Yessica Brinkmann a écrit :


I understand, thank you very much. I really do not like the idea that my
posts are "modified" by others, and that could mean, for example, something
I did not say. Actually I did not receive any notification about this. Also
I think if my messages are not understood, that I should be notified, for
education and respect, asking for more information, and not simply be
ignored. I understand that these are policies of the forum, but just saying
that I disagree with them. However, for personal reasons, I will
unsubscribe for the forum.
Regards,
Yessica

2013/2/7 Alexandro Colorado 


On 2/7/13, Yessica Brinkmann  wrote:

Hello,
Excuse me please write back by forum inadequate. But it's already doing

22

hours I sent emails to the API forum but no one answers, and I have not
received any message from this other forum participants. I do not know if
this forum has a very low flow of mails or what happens. I received
confirmation api welcome to the forum, which means that I subscribed. I
wanted to ask if you could continue to help me please, if this forum has
api mails as low flow, or what recommend I do?
Much appreciate an answer please.
regards,
Yessica



Also if you are a new user on the forum, your post needs to be
'cleared' by some of the mantainers, which mean that your post is not
visible to the rest of the forum members.

You should have got a message announcing you this, so you need to be
more patient and also provide more information. Not having enough
information on your post is enough reason to get potential
contributors to skip your post.


--
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [EXTENSIONS]: proposal to deprecate all extension snippets that are not packaged as oxt

[Andrea Pescetti]

On 06/02/2013 janI wrote:

I assume (without really knowing it) that there is an easy "upgrade" path
for extensions currently not being an oxt to become one. We need to
document (if not already done) this "upgrade" in a way, that motivates the
extension developers to do it.


Same for me: enforcing OXT seems a good thing to do, and "deprecating" 
the old style in 4.0 gives the proper notice to users and developers. 
This assuming that it is straightforward to make an OXT package out of 
all to-be-deprecated snippets: we should include a link to the procedure 
in the release notes for 4.0.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Mwiki is moved into maintenance mode.

[Rob Weir]

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> On 04/02/2013 janI wrote:
>>
>> We have just completed the last optimization of wiki.o.o, which means that
>> it has entered maintenance mode.
>
>
> Thanks a lot for your efforts! Getting full control over the wiki again is a
> milestone for this project.
>
>
>> - Move cwiki to mwiki.
>> this has been discussed/decided earlier, but might need a positive
>> decision.
>
>
> I agree, we can progressively move stuff by turning pages into redirects to
> the MWiki. This may take time but could be the less problematic way (for
> example, I had created the FOSDEM pages on the cwiki but they should be
> moved to the mwiki since other FOSDEM pages are archived there). A drastic
> redirect could confuse people who are actively working on some pages, like
> the logo discussions.
>
> Is there some filter to allow smooth translation of cwiki syntax?
>
> And note, not to miss anything we actually have two cwikis:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV
> but the former is the only one with some meaningful content, the second is
> almost empty.
>
>
>> - Mark outdated paged with category outdated, and symbol on page
>
>
> I use this:
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Features&diff=214742&oldid=189126
> which produces a clear "Outdated" notice and categorizes the page
> accordingly. If there are better ways, let me know.
>
> I tend to do that on all pages I stumble upon that are clearly outdated.
>

There are two different concepts to think about:

1) This page is out of date -- please help update me.

2) This page is out of date -- we keep it here for historical reference only

Maybe we need two different tags?

-Rob

> Regards,
>   Andrea.

Re: Open Office spreadsheet

[Fred Ollinger]

I don't have time now, but David has given me some great ideas on how
he uses macros. Anyone interested should ask for details.

It's nice to see an intelligent end user making detailed suggestions.

Again, I won't work on this now due to it's size, but I would like
oocalc to have a simpler macro language modeled on older ones which
makes macros easy for the savvy, but non-programmer user.

Sincerely,

Fred

On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:40 PM, David A Yablonsky Sr
>  wrote:
>> I am, if not a spreadsheet power user, at least a spreadsheet developer,
>> since 1982. Having experienced Visicalc, Multiplan, Lotus and Lotus clones,
>> Quattro and Excel and others, I have come to the sad conclusion that
>> spreadsheet applications have become overdeveloped due to the influence of
>> Microsoft's programming philosophies.
>>
>> Specifically, Microsoft has demanded that Basic must be used to develop
>> macros in spreadsheets. For this reason, I use Quattro, which is apparently
>> the only spreadsheet to still use Lotus-style spreadsheet macros.
>>
>
> I remember reading in "Computer Languages" magazine (now defunct)
> around 1992 or so, the results of a survey of the most-common
> programming languages use in businesses.  It was not COBOL, C or
> BASIC.  The winner was the "1-2-3 macro language".  That language
> enabled end-user programming (or scripting, or whatever you want to
> call it).  You are right that today's apps concentrate more on
> capabilities for the professional programmer.
>
> I don't think this is because we're chasing after Excel.  Personally,
> I think it is because these interfaces tend to be developed by
> professional programmers.  So they tend to meet the needs of
> professional programmers.   Of course if we had always thought like
> that we wouldn't even have spreadsheets, since the spreadsheet itself,
> even without macros, is the tool that brought power to the masses, in
> the form of spreadsheet formulas.
>
> In any case, thanks for the reminder that end-user/power-user
> capabilities short of programming are important.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> The linear style and modular storage of Basic-based macros limit the ability
>> of those users who are NOT programmers to develop useful complex macro
>> routines not only because of the requirement to become a Basic programmer,
>> but because there are actions available in Lotus-style macros that  make
>> Basic programming of the same actions a complicated nightmare.
>>
>> In addition, I deplore the loss of database construction and query in
>> contemporary spreadsheet applications. This is another reason I use Quattro.
>> I can create a relatively small database and then query it without knowing
>> SQL or using another application to query the database. What ever happened
>> to "keep it simple"? If one wants to only manage a database, Access or other
>> database applications are great, but if one wants to integrate a small
>> database with spreadsheet functions, you're out of luck.
>>
>> Spreadsheet applications all seem to want to compete with Excel, on the
>> assumption that they can garner a share of the market that Microsoft has
>> pretty much monopolized. As for me, this is wrong-headed, because if you
>> want to grab some market-share, your product should offer something
>> different than Excel; mainly, simplicity. Don't get me wrong, I use Excel
>> for many business applications. It's just that I find that for some of the
>> processes I perform on a daily basis, Excel simply can't perform due its
>> requirement that macros must be developed in Basic and the lack of ability
>> to query a limited internal database. I have downloaded Open Office and find
>> it to be on the path to Excel's blind alley. Too bad. What are needed are
>> some new views of what is really useful to the user, instead of chasing
>> Microsoft's arrogant "my way or the highway" philosophies.
>>
>>
>>
>> D. A. Yablonsky Sr.
>>
>>   truetax2...@gmail.com
>>
>> Phone: 951-279-7026
>>
>> Cell: 951-520-5187
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: Problem with the API forum

[RGB ES]

2013/2/8 Hagar Delest 

> Could you make clear about what forum you're talking about?
> I checked the EN forum and there is no user with your mail address (I
> checked with the address used for the dev list but also your first name and
> last name alone).
>

I think she is talking about the ES forum:

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7741

Her posts were never modified nor moderated nor anything. She posted a
question that, as sometimes happens with difficult/non clear topics, at the
beginning did not get any answer: that's all... But when answers came they
were not well received either (suggestions, like posting on the EN forums
too, were not followed because the user was not "intellectually interested
on the topic" or something like that), some strange theory that there was
an universal agreement to not provide answers to the problem was uttered
(and repeated many times) and after a suggestion of reading the forum
rules... well, the thread is now closed and the user vowed to leave the
forum

http://forum.openoffice.org/es/forum/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=7912

Obviously, there was a communication problem... but I do not think it was
from our part.

Ricardo, a.k.a. RGB-es
ES forum admin team



>
> Hagar
> EN forum admin team
>
>
> Le 07/02/2013 22:57, Yessica Brinkmann a écrit :
>
>
>  I understand, thank you very much. I really do not like the idea that my
>> posts are "modified" by others, and that could mean, for example,
>> something
>> I did not say. Actually I did not receive any notification about this.
>> Also
>> I think if my messages are not understood, that I should be notified, for
>> education and respect, asking for more information, and not simply be
>> ignored. I understand that these are policies of the forum, but just
>> saying
>> that I disagree with them. However, for personal reasons, I will
>> unsubscribe for the forum.
>> Regards,
>> Yessica
>>
>> 2013/2/7 Alexandro Colorado 
>>
>>  On 2/7/13, Yessica Brinkmann  wrote:
>>>
 Hello,
 Excuse me please write back by forum inadequate. But it's already doing

>>> 22
>>>
 hours I sent emails to the API forum but no one answers, and I have not
 received any message from this other forum participants. I do not know
 if
 this forum has a very low flow of mails or what happens. I received
 confirmation api welcome to the forum, which means that I subscribed. I
 wanted to ask if you could continue to help me please, if this forum has
 api mails as low flow, or what recommend I do?
 Much appreciate an answer please.
 regards,
 Yessica


>>> Also if you are a new user on the forum, your post needs to be
>>> 'cleared' by some of the mantainers, which mean that your post is not
>>> visible to the rest of the forum members.
>>>
>>> You should have got a message announcing you this, so you need to be
>>> more patient and also provide more information. Not having enough
>>> information on your post is enough reason to get potential
>>> contributors to skip your post.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Apache OpenOffice Contributor
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Mwiki is moved into maintenance mode.

[Andrea Pescetti]

Rob Weir wrote:

... Mark outdated pages

There are two different concepts to think about:
1) This page is out of date -- please help update me.
2) This page is out of date -- we keep it here for historical reference only
Maybe we need two different tags?


Good distinction. Yes, we will probably need to differentiate between 
"Outdated" and "Archived" pages, even though at times the distinction 
could be unclear, like

http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Features
which has nothing to do with the current feature planning but is a 
natural landing page for users who look for OpenOffice features (so 
either it is marked "Outdated" with plans to merge the feature planning 
there, or "Archived" and kept as it is, maybe with a link to the current 
feature planning).


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: Problem with the API forum

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

On 02/08/2013 05:08 PM, Hagar Delest wrote:

Could you make clear about what forum you're talking about?
I checked the EN forum and there is no user with your mail address (I 
checked with the address used for the dev list but also your first 
name and last name alone).


Hagar
EN forum admin team

I believe the reference is to the API mailing list, not a forum.

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