Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 12/28/13 7:59 PM, jan i wrote: On 28 December 2013 19:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 17/12/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze ... Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) In general I agree with the schedule, but what strikes me here is the 2 months between the translation deadline and the RC1. I know the integration work takes time, but 2 months seem excessive. This would mean that a translation completed in February must already wait for the (possible) language update release. In this time period we also have a public beta release. That is the where the additional time goes. If we want translations in the beta (why wouldn't we?) then we end up with a schedule like this. I think a beta is a good idea, could we please agree to name it something like beta1 to differentiate it from RC1, which is something internal to me. some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. We are now at 4 new languages at 100% (bg, da, nb, th). Even if your proposed schedule (new version) is respected, this means that Danish, that was completed back in October just after the 4.0.1 release, would stay unreleased until April. Thanks to your and Herbert's work we will have snapshots available for those languages from the buildbots in a couple days, so most of the integration work has already been done. Wouldn't it make sense to release 4.0.1 in the additional 4 languages in January, to avoid the 6-months gap? This sounds like a good idea to me, a language refresh like we did with 3.4.1. If I remember right, we did not make a new version, just release the new languages (incl. danish) for the same version. exactly, we released the new languages (full install + language pack) and an updated source release including the sdf files for the new languages. We can of course do that as soon Pootle is talking to me again (INFRA-7160, potentially an upgrade problem). If we do a language only release we should include Hindi which is UI complete as well. Let's pick up this again when Pootle is working and I can synchronize the latest updates for this new languages. Juergen rgds jan I. -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
I update the AOO 4.1 Release Planning [1] to sync the schedule in discussion here, it is mainly based on Juergen's proposal on Dec 17 with QE's comments. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Release+Planning On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 2:59 AM, jan i j...@apache.org wrote: On 28 December 2013 19:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 17/12/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze ... Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) In general I agree with the schedule, but what strikes me here is the 2 months between the translation deadline and the RC1. I know the integration work takes time, but 2 months seem excessive. This would mean that a translation completed in February must already wait for the (possible) language update release. In this time period we also have a public beta release. That is the where the additional time goes. If we want translations in the beta (why wouldn't we?) then we end up with a schedule like this. I think a beta is a good idea, could we please agree to name it something like beta1 to differentiate it from RC1, which is something internal to me. some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. We are now at 4 new languages at 100% (bg, da, nb, th). Even if your proposed schedule (new version) is respected, this means that Danish, that was completed back in October just after the 4.0.1 release, would stay unreleased until April. Thanks to your and Herbert's work we will have snapshots available for those languages from the buildbots in a couple days, so most of the integration work has already been done. Wouldn't it make sense to release 4.0.1 in the additional 4 languages in January, to avoid the 6-months gap? This sounds like a good idea to me, a language refresh like we did with 3.4.1. If I remember right, we did not make a new version, just release the new languages (incl. danish) for the same version. rgds jan I. -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Regards, Yu Zhen
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 17/12/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze ... Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) In general I agree with the schedule, but what strikes me here is the 2 months between the translation deadline and the RC1. I know the integration work takes time, but 2 months seem excessive. This would mean that a translation completed in February must already wait for the (possible) language update release. some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. We are now at 4 new languages at 100% (bg, da, nb, th). Even if your proposed schedule (new version) is respected, this means that Danish, that was completed back in October just after the 4.0.1 release, would stay unreleased until April. Thanks to your and Herbert's work we will have snapshots available for those languages from the buildbots in a couple days, so most of the integration work has already been done. Wouldn't it make sense to release 4.0.1 in the additional 4 languages in January, to avoid the 6-months gap? Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 28 December 2013 19:52, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 17/12/2013 Jürgen Schmidt wrote: I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze ... Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) In general I agree with the schedule, but what strikes me here is the 2 months between the translation deadline and the RC1. I know the integration work takes time, but 2 months seem excessive. This would mean that a translation completed in February must already wait for the (possible) language update release. In this time period we also have a public beta release. That is the where the additional time goes. If we want translations in the beta (why wouldn't we?) then we end up with a schedule like this. I think a beta is a good idea, could we please agree to name it something like beta1 to differentiate it from RC1, which is something internal to me. some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. We are now at 4 new languages at 100% (bg, da, nb, th). Even if your proposed schedule (new version) is respected, this means that Danish, that was completed back in October just after the 4.0.1 release, would stay unreleased until April. Thanks to your and Herbert's work we will have snapshots available for those languages from the buildbots in a couple days, so most of the integration work has already been done. Wouldn't it make sense to release 4.0.1 in the additional 4 languages in January, to avoid the 6-months gap? This sounds like a good idea to me, a language refresh like we did with 3.4.1. If I remember right, we did not make a new version, just release the new languages (incl. danish) for the same version. rgds jan I. -Rob Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
Feb ??, 2014 feature FVT finish (I know in China is public holiday as well from Jan 31 - Feb 7) QA needs about 70 PD to complete the left 1061 executions (total 1061, suppose 15 executions per day per QA volunteer being concentrated on this work) on Writer(140), Calc(330) and Impress(591). We started the feature FVT early on Oct 29, the original plan is to complete Writer on 11/29, Calc on 12/27 and Impress on 1/24, we are very behind the planned schedule now because of the less volunteers. It would be optimistic to finish feature FVT before Feb 13. Feb 21 - ? full regression testing and bug fixing Based on the experience from 4.0 Full Regression(22 QA volunteers completed 1,221 regression test executions during 10 weeks), if we take the same volume of executions and execution rate in 4.1, we may not complete it before Mar 20(4 weeks). The complete date would depend on how many QA volunteers will participate and how much effort they will provide, as well as how many defects are found. Regards, Yu Zhen On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, well it seems that I was a little bit to optimistic or do I need a break? I don't know probably both but I talked with the developers in my direct surrounding field and taking the Christmas break, vacation etc. into account we believe that my proposal was a little bit to optimistic. I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Feb ??, 2014 feature FVT finish (I know in China is public holiday as well from Jan 31 - Feb 7) Feb 14, 2014 4.1 beta candidate Feb 21, 2014 4.1 beta release for pubic review Feb 21 - ? full regression testing and bug fixing Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) It would nice to hear other opinions or general feedback. Juergen On 12/6/13 9:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. But on the other side we have some nice stuff in place that should be released asap, for example the iAccessibility support which is a great step forward and will help a lot of people. I would like to propose a new release AOO 4.1 early next year and as soon as possible. Taking into account that Christmas and the related holidays in many countries will slow down all the activities a little bit I can think of the following: Jan 10, 2014features freeze Jan 13, 2014 translation freeze for beta Jan 20, 2014 feature FVT finish Jan 21, 2014 4.1 beta candidate, with major features and languages Jan 27, 2014 4.1 beta release for public review Jan 27 - ?full regression testing and bug fixing ? RC1 Feb 28, or later? GA ? I really would like to see the iAccessibility improvements publicly available as soon as possible because from my perspective it is a further huge milestone for AOO. And I would like to support the new languages as soon as possible and hopefully we can have a few more. Some are very close to be ready. Opinions and feedback is welcome and I hope may of you can share my view. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
Hi, well it seems that I was a little bit to optimistic or do I need a break? I don't know probably both but I talked with the developers in my direct surrounding field and taking the Christmas break, vacation etc. into account we believe that my proposal was a little bit to optimistic. I don't know what others think but based on this new information I would like to move my proposed schedule a little bit. Jan 24, 2014 feature freeze Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Feb ??, 2014 feature FVT finish (I know in China is public holiday as well from Jan 31 - Feb 7) Feb 14, 2014 4.1 beta candidate Feb 21, 2014 4.1 beta release for pubic review Feb 21 - ? full regression testing and bug fixing Mar 21, 2014 RC1? Apr 1, 2014 GA? (I like this date if possible) It would nice to hear other opinions or general feedback. Juergen On 12/6/13 9:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote: Hi, some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. But on the other side we have some nice stuff in place that should be released asap, for example the iAccessibility support which is a great step forward and will help a lot of people. I would like to propose a new release AOO 4.1 early next year and as soon as possible. Taking into account that Christmas and the related holidays in many countries will slow down all the activities a little bit I can think of the following: Jan 10, 2014features freeze Jan 13, 2014 translation freeze for beta Jan 20, 2014 feature FVT finish Jan 21, 2014 4.1 beta candidate, with major features and languages Jan 27, 2014 4.1 beta release for public review Jan 27 - ?full regression testing and bug fixing ? RC1 Feb 28, or later? GA ? I really would like to see the iAccessibility improvements publicly available as soon as possible because from my perspective it is a further huge milestone for AOO. And I would like to support the new languages as soon as possible and hopefully we can have a few more. Some are very close to be ready. Opinions and feedback is welcome and I hope may of you can share my view. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
Hello, Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Did you set an aoo41 folder in Pootle? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 17 December 2013 15:00, FR web forum ooofo...@free.fr wrote: Hello, Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Did you set an aoo41 folder in Pootle? no need to make a new project, just use the existing one. rgds jan I. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 12/17/13 3:00 PM, FR web forum wrote: Hello, Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Did you set an aoo41 folder in Pootle? no, as far as I know their are no UI changes. I plan an update of the released languages and new languages based on the aoo40 to integrate fixes. Ideally people who made improvements or fixed translations should create a new issue for the integration. I know it is still a lot of manual work but I hope this will and can change in the near future. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 17 December 2013 15:12, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/17/13 3:00 PM, FR web forum wrote: Hello, Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Did you set an aoo41 folder in Pootle? no, as far as I know their are no UI changes. I plan an update of the released languages and new languages based on the aoo40 to integrate fixes. Ideally people who made improvements or fixed translations should create a new issue for the integration. I know it is still a lot of manual work but I hope this will and can change in the near future. @jsc: please DONT rename the project in pootle, there is a known problem with that, so lets keep it as it is. rgds jan I. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 12/17/13 3:18 PM, jan i wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:12, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/17/13 3:00 PM, FR web forum wrote: Hello, Jan 27, 2014 translation freeze Did you set an aoo41 folder in Pootle? no, as far as I know their are no UI changes. I plan an update of the released languages and new languages based on the aoo40 to integrate fixes. Ideally people who made improvements or fixed translations should create a new issue for the integration. I know it is still a lot of manual work but I hope this will and can change in the near future. @jsc: please DONT rename the project in pootle, there is a known problem with that, so lets keep it as it is. I don't plan to rename anything ;-) Juergen rgds jan I. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
no, as far as I know their are no UI changes. I plan an update of the released languages and new languages based on the aoo40 to integrate fixes. I thought that new features like Accessibility Support could be documented in help file. So, we have missing strings: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123756 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 12/17/13 3:54 PM, FR web forum wrote: no, as far as I know their are no UI changes. I plan an update of the released languages and new languages based on the aoo40 to integrate fixes. I thought that new features like Accessibility Support could be documented in help file. So, we have missing strings: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=123756 yes in general it would be nice to have this info in the help files but for now we don't have it as far as I know. We should work on this asap and then we can update the stings. For post 4.1 versions I expect even more UI changes. We can and should communicate this via the release notes and via other channels and should update the help system asap. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On 12/9/13 7:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. +1 But on the other side we have some nice stuff in place that should be released asap, for example the iAccessibility support which is a great step forward and will help a lot of people. +1 I would like to propose a new release AOO 4.1 early next year and as soon as possible. Taking into account that Christmas and the related holidays in many countries will slow down all the activities a little bit I can think of the following: Jan 10, 2014features freeze Jan 13, 2014translation freeze for beta I'm not sure what freeze for beta means? Will more languages be permitted after beta? Or only bug fixes to the languages that made it into beta? The purpose of a beta is to help assure quality, so it might be reasonable to have all new features, including new languages in the beta. But I could also see an argument for letting more languages come after beta. sorry for being unclear, it should be the translation deadline. Even the integrating of new languages requires some time and effort and we have to work with a deadline. We don't have UI changes as far as I can see. At least no reported ones and I can't see where a few days more would change anything. I would love to see a continuous integration of translation but this still requires some work. Especially the verification of simple errors, like mismatch tags should be automated in some way. I notice a lot of such mistakes when I work on the integration. Jan 20, 2014feature FVT finish Jan 21, 20144.1 beta candidate, with major features and languages Jan 27, 20144.1 beta release for public review Jan 27 - ? full regression testing and bug fixing I assume we would produce further snapshot builds for testing, by QA volunteers in the project, while the beta is ongoing. yes, we should do that on a regular basis ? RC1 Feb 28, or later? A one-month beta would take us to February 28th. Next steps would depend on the feedback from the beta, how many serious issues are found, how many have already been fixed, etc. We would assume that the most spectacular bugs will be found in the first couple of days of the beta, not in the last week. But if things go well then the beta naturally leads into a RC for 4.1. the feedback on the beta will give us more info how to proceed Juergen GA ? I really would like to see the iAccessibility improvements publicly available as soon as possible because from my perspective it is a further huge milestone for AOO. And I would like to support the new languages as soon as possible and hopefully we can have a few more. Some are very close to be ready. Opinions and feedback is welcome and I hope may of you can share my view. It sounds good to me! Regards, -Rob Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: [RELEASE]: proposal for our next release AOO 4.1
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, some time ago we have discussed a language only release on base of 4.0.1. And even a language release requires a lot of work. Until today I see 3 potential languages ready which is not enough from my perspective. But on the other side we have some nice stuff in place that should be released asap, for example the iAccessibility support which is a great step forward and will help a lot of people. I would like to propose a new release AOO 4.1 early next year and as soon as possible. Taking into account that Christmas and the related holidays in many countries will slow down all the activities a little bit I can think of the following: Jan 10, 2014features freeze Jan 13, 2014translation freeze for beta Jan 20, 2014feature FVT finish Jan 21, 20144.1 beta candidate, with major features and languages Jan 27, 20144.1 beta release for public review Jan 27 - ? full regression testing and bug fixing ? RC1 Feb 28, or later? GA ? I really would like to see the iAccessibility improvements publicly available as soon as possible because from my perspective it is a further huge milestone for AOO. And I would like to support the new languages as soon as possible and hopefully we can have a few more. Some are very close to be ready. Opinions and feedback is welcome and I hope may of you can share my view. Juergen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org I haven't yet installed the linux snapshot containing these changes or reviewed current bugs *in a while* but the proposed schedule looks like a good goal to me. The public beta will be an interesting aspect for us. -- - MzK Cats do not have to be shown how to have a good time, for they are unfailing ingenious in that respect. -- James Mason
