Re: Templates Website Failure
Am 30.08.22 um 00:26 schrieb Dave Fisher: On Aug 29, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 29/08/22 Peter Kovacs wrote: We have 3 servers. Maybe we can deploy the service there? Technically this would be possible, sure Yes, but do we want to support Drupal ourselves? It’s something like OpenGrok, Pootle, MediaWiki, and phpBB that will need periodic maintenance. I talked about an email service so the drupal Website can sent passwort reset emails. Not the drupal site itself. But I think these sites were moved to external hosting since the ASF had concerns, at the time, with the many different licenses used by the Extensions and Templates hosted on those sites. Exactly I don't know if things have changed now. Otherwise this would still be the main reason for hosting the two sites outside the ASF. And still. If everyone is touching this system with a 10 feet pole. I am not sure if the AOO extension service is in an healthy situation for the project . I mean there is still the FSF statement [1] on the net, which is not nice. The current situation is that Andrea is stepping up for the email service. I do not have the feeling that the extension page is much of an interest to SF.net. And it seems the ASF is also not particular fond of this system. Should we maybe rethink the extension web service? Before volunteers can work what to do, we need to have a vision, and clearly make plans what to do. All the best Peter Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org [1] https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/LibreOffice - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
> On Aug 29, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > On 29/08/22 Peter Kovacs wrote: >> We have 3 servers. Maybe we can deploy the service there? > > Technically this would be possible, sure Yes, but do we want to support Drupal ourselves? It’s something like OpenGrok, Pootle, MediaWiki, and phpBB that will need periodic maintenance. > > But I think these sites were moved to external hosting since the ASF had > concerns, at the time, with the many different licenses used by the > Extensions and Templates hosted on those sites. Exactly > > I don't know if things have changed now. Otherwise this would still be the > main reason for hosting the two sites outside the ASF. And still. > > Regards, > Andrea. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 29/08/22 Peter Kovacs wrote: We have 3 servers. Maybe we can deploy the service there? Technically this would be possible, sure. But I think these sites were moved to external hosting since the ASF had concerns, at the time, with the many different licenses used by the Extensions and Templates hosted on those sites. I don't know if things have changed now. Otherwise this would still be the main reason for hosting the two sites outside the ASF. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
Hi Andrea, We have 3 servers. Maybe we can deploy the service there? Maybe best is because we get more and more services that we start to use containers. What do you think? all the best Peter Am 28.08.22 um 23:06 schrieb Andrea Pescetti: On 21/08/22 Andrea Pescetti wrote: - Opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/INFRA/issues/INFRA-23610 to ask INFRA how we can use an ASF-owned resource instead of my server INFRA answered they won't help since they only cater for websites they maintain, while this one is externally hosted on SourceForge. I admit this is quite reasonable. So: Extensions and Templates are now sending mail through my SMTP server; this works but it's not the best approach, and I remain available for replacing this with a more "shared" resource that can be used with username and password on port 587/STARTTLS. My earlier attempt with GMail failed so I would rule it out. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 21/08/22 Andrea Pescetti wrote: - Opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/INFRA/issues/INFRA-23610 to ask INFRA how we can use an ASF-owned resource instead of my server INFRA answered they won't help since they only cater for websites they maintain, while this one is externally hosted on SourceForge. I admit this is quite reasonable. So: Extensions and Templates are now sending mail through my SMTP server; this works but it's not the best approach, and I remain available for replacing this with a more "shared" resource that can be used with username and password on port 587/STARTTLS. My earlier attempt with GMail failed so I would rule it out. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 20/08/22 Keith N. McKenna wrote: Andrea Pescetti wrote: 1) We get confirmation that this is fixed not only for me 2) Then I can apply the same fix to Templates and have a fix in place, where the only drawback is that it uses my server 3) Then I would create a new issue like the abandoned https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 so that INFRA can advise on whether we have a way to use the ASF mail server but without storing personal credentials. I successfully registered an account and received the congraulations e-mail to my @apache.org address Thank you and Dave for testing. I've gone ahead and: - Implemented the same solution (i.e., mail is relayed through my SMTP server) on the Templates site; so the Templates site will now work too - Opened https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/INFRA/issues/INFRA-23610 to ask INFRA how we can use an ASF-owned resource instead of my server Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 18/08/22 Dave wrote: But I would suggest a simpler approach now: we can try and configure an account to be used for sending mail (even a GMail account will do) and update the site configuration to use GMail as SMTP. And then, if it works, we replace it with a more reasonable sender, like an apache.org address. ... Configuring a sending account seems like a reasonable idea. Yes, I am more than happy to help out with any necessary testing. It took many attempts but I believe it works now. A simple way to test it is to register a new user at https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/user/register or request a password reset mail (that you can simply ignore) at https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/user/password Some more details: - I've only fixed Extensions so far, but Templates should be identical - I tried with a GMail account created to this purpose, but it didn't work: while I enabled POP/IMAP (and thus SMTP, I assume) in the GMail settings, the site cannot connect to it. Port 465 is blocked on the SourceForge side it seems, so port 587 with STARTTLS is the only viable option; it connects, but for some reason GMail refuses credentials; maybe websites must use the GMail API (which would be an issue, as the application doesn't support it) to connect to GMail? Feedback welcome if someone has already configured GMail SMTP successfully on a website. - Then I simply created an account on a personally-owned SMTP server and retried, with port 587 and STARTTLS. This worked for me. This is the currently configured option, so if you are testing this is the one you will test. - Then I briefly tried with my ASF credentials and the ASF mail server mail-relay.apache.org still 587/STARTTLS. It worked! But of course I cannot leave my credentials in the site configuration so I reverted it to the (working) option above. Suggested steps forward: 1) We get confirmation that this is fixed not only for me 2) Then I can apply the same fix to Templates and have a fix in place, where the only drawback is that it uses my server 3) Then I would create a new issue like the abandoned https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 so that INFRA can advise on whether we have a way to use the ASF mail server but without storing personal credentials. Regards, Andrea. Andrea I successfully registered an account and received the congraulations e-mail to my @apache.org address Regards Keith - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 18/08/22 Dave wrote: But I would suggest a simpler approach now: we can try and configure an account to be used for sending mail (even a GMail account will do) and update the site configuration to use GMail as SMTP. And then, if it works, we replace it with a more reasonable sender, like an apache.org address. ... Configuring a sending account seems like a reasonable idea. Yes, I am more than happy to help out with any necessary testing. It took many attempts but I believe it works now. A simple way to test it is to register a new user at https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/user/register or request a password reset mail (that you can simply ignore) at https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/user/password Some more details: - I've only fixed Extensions so far, but Templates should be identical - I tried with a GMail account created to this purpose, but it didn't work: while I enabled POP/IMAP (and thus SMTP, I assume) in the GMail settings, the site cannot connect to it. Port 465 is blocked on the SourceForge side it seems, so port 587 with STARTTLS is the only viable option; it connects, but for some reason GMail refuses credentials; maybe websites must use the GMail API (which would be an issue, as the application doesn't support it) to connect to GMail? Feedback welcome if someone has already configured GMail SMTP successfully on a website. - Then I simply created an account on a personally-owned SMTP server and retried, with port 587 and STARTTLS. This worked for me. This is the currently configured option, so if you are testing this is the one you will test. - Then I briefly tried with my ASF credentials and the ASF mail server mail-relay.apache.org still 587/STARTTLS. It worked! But of course I cannot leave my credentials in the site configuration so I reverted it to the (working) option above. Suggested steps forward: 1) We get confirmation that this is fixed not only for me 2) Then I can apply the same fix to Templates and have a fix in place, where the only drawback is that it uses my server 3) Then I would create a new issue like the abandoned https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 so that INFRA can advise on whether we have a way to use the ASF mail server but without storing personal credentials. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
On 18/08/2022 17:33, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > Dave wrote: >> We are getting more and more complainants about Template and Extension >> authors being unable to access these sites. > > I'm catching up with mail and indeed I see this is a recurrent issue. > >> To check the issue I tried register at the Templates site and received a >> totally garbage response. First it claims to be unable to send an email, >> then falsely claims to have sent an email to may address. > > The issue is of course with the first part, i.e., it doesn't send out > mail. It is a rather ordinary failure, it is simply unable to send > mail since SourceForge disabled the feature (if I recall correctly; I > looked into this in early 2021). And the solution is rather ordinary > too: we just need to configure outgoing mail properly. > >> Can you please provide me the contact details of the project member who >> has admin privileges for the Templates & Extensions website, or give me >> admin privileges and I will try to fix these issues and maintain the >> sites. > > Several of us have admin privileges, including Matthias, Pedro and me. > I had started fixing the issue long ago but that got stuck in JIRA > mostly due to misunderstandings. See > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 > > But I would suggest a simpler approach now: we can try and configure > an account to be used for sending mail (even a GMail account will do) > and update the site configuration to use GMail as SMTP. And then, if > it works, we replace it with a more reasonable sender, like an > apache.org address. > > Honestly I haven't connected to the sites in several months, but if > you are up for testing I can find some time in the next couple days so > that we can fix the issue. It is 100% reproducible and 100% broken so > whatever comes out of this attempt won't make the situation worse! > > Regards, > Andrea. > Hi Andrea, Configuring a sending account seems like a reasonable idea. Yes, I am more than happy to help out with any necessary testing. Regards Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Templates Website Failure
Dave wrote: We are getting more and more complainants about Template and Extension authors being unable to access these sites. I'm catching up with mail and indeed I see this is a recurrent issue. To check the issue I tried register at the Templates site and received a totally garbage response. First it claims to be unable to send an email, then falsely claims to have sent an email to may address. The issue is of course with the first part, i.e., it doesn't send out mail. It is a rather ordinary failure, it is simply unable to send mail since SourceForge disabled the feature (if I recall correctly; I looked into this in early 2021). And the solution is rather ordinary too: we just need to configure outgoing mail properly. Can you please provide me the contact details of the project member who has admin privileges for the Templates & Extensions website, or give me admin privileges and I will try to fix these issues and maintain the sites. Several of us have admin privileges, including Matthias, Pedro and me. I had started fixing the issue long ago but that got stuck in JIRA mostly due to misunderstandings. See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-21334 But I would suggest a simpler approach now: we can try and configure an account to be used for sending mail (even a GMail account will do) and update the site configuration to use GMail as SMTP. And then, if it works, we replace it with a more reasonable sender, like an apache.org address. Honestly I haven't connected to the sites in several months, but if you are up for testing I can find some time in the next couple days so that we can fix the issue. It is 100% reproducible and 100% broken so whatever comes out of this attempt won't make the situation worse! Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Templates Website Failure
We are getting more and more complainants about Template and Extension authors being unable to access these sites. To check the issue I tried register at the Templates site and received a totally garbage response. First it claims to be unable to send an email, then falsely claims to have sent an email to may address. See: https://www.mediafire.com/view/to0htjvimtowdi0/AOO_Template_Site_Failure.png/file Can you please provide me the contact details of the project member who has admin privileges for the Templates & Extensions website, or give me admin privileges and I will try to fix these issues and maintain the sites. TIA Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
