[dev] [Log available] [ClassRoom] mercurial ClassRoom

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

For the one unable to join (we were a lot on the channel !), the log of 
the ClassRoom is available :

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Previous_Logs/MercurialMigration

Note: we are currently searching volunteers, able to improve the look of 
the ClassRooms, including create a summary, with links, examples, 
practice ..and so on . Please contact me directly.



Thanks,
Eric Bachard

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[dev] Re: [dev-educ] [ClassRoom] mercurial ClassRoom

[eric.bachard]

OOops, I forgot the hour :)

The ClassRoom will start around CET 17:00 ( Paris, Hamburg )

For further information, see : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Agenda


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[dev] [ClassRoom] mercurial ClassRoom

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

This mail is a reminder : as written in the agenda**, today, wednesday 
11th November, there is an extremely important ClassRoom about 
"OpenOffice.org migration to Mercurial", and presented by Heiner 
Rechtien, Release Engineer, at Sun MicroSystems.


This presentation will stand on the #education.openoffice.org IRC 
channel (server is irc.freenode.net), and everyone interested to learn 
more about this extremely important change, is welcome.


See you !


Eric Bachard
Lead,
OpenOffice.org Education Project

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[dev] Next Education Projeect IRC meeting : thursday 29th October

[eric.bachard]

Hello,

This is a reminder,

The next IRC meeting will occur tomorrow, thursday 29th of October, 
17:00 ( UTC),  or 18:00 ( CET hour, i.e. Paris Hamburg hour)



Everybody is welcome and can attend at : Channel : 
#education.openoffice.org , server : irc.freenode.net


For further information, please have a look at the agenda : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_IRC_meetings



See you tomorrow !
Eric Bachard


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[dev] Re: [OOoCon 2009] OOo4Kids and Education Project : presentations canceled

[eric.bachard]

Andre Schnabel a écrit :

Hi Eric,


Hi Andre,


Von: eric b 
In fact, it was -probably- already too late, and I should have posted  before (too busy, my fault). Since, I verified yesterday : the  
EducOOo (our non profit association) received less than 300 euros. The fact is, the npa received not enough to help me, so my participation is canceled.

That's completely normal.



Maybe to you - to me it seems rather unfair to many of the other people who 
apllied for a slot.


I proposed to people who had no correct slot to replace me already, like 
the students who participated to the go-oo Google Summer of Code: things 
were unclear for them until very recently.


Now, please ask them whether it looks unfair to replace me  ;-)



If your participation is bound to some restrictions, you could have stated this 
much earlier.



First, any proposal must respect a deadline, and you often have to send 
the proposal before the time to book planes/hotels. This is true every 
year (due to fly reservation system), for all the conferences I 
participate(d).


In the same time (submitting the proposals), I started the discussion 
with several people, but finally nobody confirmed the promises.


Last, we (EducOO.org) created a Paypal account at mid september, but the 
donation never reached the expected level. That's the point.




Remember that you even could have applied for imbursements here at the Ooo 
project (from what I read, you did not).



First, since my request for attending FOSS.in last year was refused 
(while we had one conf and one big workout accepted !), nor received any 
encouragment, I decided the FOSDEM would be the last time I ask 
something to the project.


That's even the reason why the association was created: become 
independant from that.


For memory, my proposal, was about do the first step with India and meet 
young devs face to face for OpenOffice.org future. The result was: not 
accepted, but nothing done instead, and the money never used.


Second, well ... 300 euros (including 2 x50 euros for nights) does not 
really cover the price, for most of the people concerned. This is not 
what I expect of such a projet like OpenOffice.org.




the project lead got a session, people maybe prepared to have some chats with 
the education lead ... and now exactly this project
lead find, ha cannot attent, because he was to late with looking for 
imburesements?



FYI, Alexandro, Co-Lead of Education Project will attend Orvieto.

Conclusion:  there is no problem.



Nevertheless, my absence is not that important

Maybe to you. But what is with all the other people who prepaed to meet *you*?



If this is really important, they can meet me on IRC, or contact us 
using d...@education.openoffice.org  ?


That's easy, really.



Maybe it is not important if you are there or not. But it is (imho) imporant to 
communicate open and early, under what conditions
you are there.



Since years, I say exactly the same : regular contributors travels, 
should be founded by the project for important confs.


Working hard for OpenOffice.org without being paid, with the goal to 
share the knowledge is what I do** since years. That's why I don't fear 
to ask.



André 
(being a little upset)


And me more, because I spent an hour to answer your agressive mail point 
by point ...



End of Topic for me (really)


Eric Bachard
Lead,
OpenOffice.org Education Project



**For the one wondering, I listed some of my contributions (all made in 
my spare time), on my personnal (and chaotic) wiki page  : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb


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Re: [dev] Announcement: Migration to Mercurial

[eric.bachard]

Hello Heiner,

Jens-Heiner Rechtien a écrit :

Migration to Mercurial
==
OpenOffice.org developers,
here - as promised - some information about the migration of the DEV300 code 
line to Mercurial.


First, thanks a lot for your great and impressive work  :-)

[...cut the announce... ]

As we discussed, I have added "Migration to Mercurial" presentation we 
planned together in the Education Project ClassRoom agenda : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Agenda


Please verify nothing is wrong, and thanks again for your participation !

Eric


P.S. for Björn :  a student from UTBM (Mathieu Paret, on CC) is 
currently working on the Education Project wiki page improvement, and 
we'll modernize a bit soon. If you want to discuss more about this 
topic, we can meet us on IRC ( #education.openoffice.org )

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Re: [dev] Re: [OOoCon] [OOoCon 2009] OOo4Kids and Education Project : presentations canceled

[eric.bachard]

Hi John,

John McCreesh a écrit :

There is still time to apply for the Euro 300 bursary if that is any help
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoCon2009_Bursaries


Thanks a lot for your concern, but I won't apply.

Please help other people, who certainly need more than me.


Regards,
Eric

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[dev] [OOoCon 2009] OOo4Kids and Education Project : presentations canceled

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

I present my apologies to the organisators, but I have to resign and 
won't attend the OOoCon at Orvieto this year.


So, please note the following presentations are canceled :

- Present Education Project
- OOo4Kids: the story   (Note: was mostly about development and code, 
unlike it was presented in the schedule)


The reasons: we didn't receive enough of donations to pay the travel and 
accomodations (was around 600 euros one week ago), and I don't want to 
pay for contribute.


Last, I'd like to ask the organisators, whether Thorsten Behrens could 
benefit of my slots ? Because he had issues with GSoC students 
presentations.  Thanks in advance to contact him (on CC).



Best regards,

Eric Bachard
Lead
OpenOffice.org Education Project

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Re: [dev] Re: [discuss] Call for Nominations for Community Council Election

[eric.bachard]

Hi Alexandro, the list(s),

Alexandro Colorado a écrit :

I would like to nominate Eric Bachard (ericb) for code contributor 
representative as a member of the education project he has done a
remarkable job getting involved with students that want to contribute to the core of 
OpenOffice.org and also give the "classrooms" where
experts in OOo give talks about coding for the people that want to learn the 
technical specifics of OpenOffice.org. Also is enterprising
with his organizations such as OOEduc the OOo4Kids project which is basically a 
most needed in the education market. He would be a big
asset to the CC in moving to growing the developers which is most needed by 
this project.


Thank you very much, for thinking to me, but I'd like to clarifythe 
situation, before serious things start : I'm not candidate and I prefer 
continue to work on one thing only : make the Education Project 
stronger, e.g. improving OOo4Kids (basically thought for students, to 
hack OOo) and more.


The Education challenge is one of the most important OpenOffice.org 
Project ever, and until we have something better, that's my only goal.




I would also like to nominate myself for product development, being the lead of 
several products including the newly created certification
project, bizdev project and OpenOffice.org ES (spanish) project as well as 
co-leading the education project.


Of course, you have a +1 from me, plus all my encouragments to succeed 
in all the great work you manage.


Thank you very much Alexandro, and thanks a lot to all !


Eric Bachard
Lead,
OpenOffice.org Education Project

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[dev] [Log available] Next IRC meeting : thursday 8th October

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

For the record, the log is available  : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Previous_Education_Meetings_logs/October_2009/8th_October


The meeting was awesome, thanks to all the one who attended and see you 
next week !


Eric Bachard

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[dev] Next IRC meeting : thursday 8th October

[eric.bachard]

Hello,

This is a reminder,

The next IRC meeting will occur tomorrow, thursday 8th of October, 16:00 
( UTC),  or 18:00 ( CEST hour, i.e. Paris Hamburg hour)


Everybody is welcome and can attend at : Channel : 
#education.openoffice.org , server : irc.freenode.net


For further information, please have a look at the agenda : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_IRC_meetings



See you tomorrow !
Eric Bachard

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Re: [dev] First mail

[eric.bachard]

Hello,

Tejan Z a écrit :

Hi guys,I am interested in contributing to openoffice. I have primarily worked 
on C++, VC++ for more that 5 years.


Great, and be welcome :)


So I need some pointers to get started esp from C++ development point of view.


The OpenOffice.org wiki does contain a lot of information, and I'd 
suggest you to start there : http://wiki.openoffice.org


But if you fear to ask dumb questions, or if you find no answer to your 
questions, the OpenOffice.org Education Project is there to welcome the 
beginners too.


And if you want to sart slowly, i.e. with a little task, we propose a 
lot of them, through our  "Effort", and we can support you, for the 
essential.


=> Look at : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort




Though I am going through the info on website and wiki, anyone with any 
suggestions to get started, I will be glad.


If you want to discuss directly on IRC, there I'm mostly present on the 
#education.openoffice.org channel.


See you :)

Eric Bachard

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Re: [dev] Re: OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Gabriel,

Gabriel Gurley a écrit :

Hi Eric,
I apologize for the delay in replying as well.


No problem : I'm myself overbusy, and I perfectly understand the delays :)


I think Florian summed up my sentiments very well.  I too very much support OOo4Kids and and think it could be extremely useful for  
instructional purposes in the 7-12 age bracket. 


Thank you very much for your support !



But I'm also afraid I'm in the same boat as Florian regarding not knowing how 
best to implement it from a technical standpoint.


In fact, it works already :)  Not all features are implemented, but what 
we have is really usable.




That said, I will be happy to assist in anyway I can.  Feel free to  contact me 
if I can do so.


Thanks

I know your have a valuable knowledge as user, and about what is 
important for 7-12. If you want to test it, please contact me in private 
: we prefer not provide a public URL yet (for legal reasons, and until 
our server will be up).  FYI, Windows, Linux and Mac OS X Intel have 
been ugraded today.



Regards,
Eric Bachard


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[dev] Re: [project leads] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Florian,


Florian Effenberger a écrit :

Hi Eric,

first of all, sorry for my late reply - quite many things are going on at the moment, and I didn't have the time to drop you a line earlier. I 
didn't have the time to read through all mails of this thread, so sorry if I missed something important. :-)


No problem for me, really :-)



I already saw OOo4Kids and I really like the idea.


Thank you very much for your support.

From my side, OOo definitely should support the project and I'd be happy if it can become an official part of it. From a technical point of view, I don't know how 
this can be done best - as an extension, as a patch, as a new branch... 


Wait and see what will be proposed.

I leave this decision up to others. No matter how it will be achieved technically, the more integral part it can become of the main OOo 
project and the better it will be integrated into our infrastructure,  the better the reception will be.


I hope so too :-)



If your preview is ready for the public, please let me know as I'd love to help 
you spreading the word by triggering some press contacts. ;-)


No sorry, it's not yet public, but the last versions ( Windows, Linux 
and Mac Intel) have been upgraded today. Just ask me if you want to test it.




Thanks for your engagement and initiative!


Thanks again for your support :-)

Eric


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Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Juergen,

Juergen Schmidt a écrit :

Hi Eric, all,

first of all i would like to propose to move any further discussion on only one mailing list. Maybe dev@openoffice.org because the 
d...@education is not part of this thread.


You're right, let's concentrate now :)

+ I fixed the title too ;)

eric.bachard wrote: 
I agree I "derived" StarOffice4Kids name, to create the OOo4Kids one. Indeed the idea is similar. I don't know ho wthings where done with 
StarOffice4Kids, but we have decided to strictely follow what the  teachers ask (in fact, they must demonstrate every need). Did you the 
same ?  Can you tell me more about that ?


I can't answer your question i wasn't really involved in the project and it was 
done by an external vendor.


Ok

 The colleague who mentored this

project doesn't work for Sun anymore.


That's not a good news :-/


Nevertheless, there is at least one big difference : because of the slow / poor / old machines most of the schools have, we decided to not 
use Java ( StarOffice4Kids is mostly Java if I'm not wrong), but maybe  was it only a prototype ?


yes, probably the better way is to modify the existing user interface... 


To avoid misunderstanding: we just need to simplify it, not make UI 
changes (teachers don't care about ribbons and co). The first changes we 
did were for legal reasons : as OpenOffice.org owner, Sun trademarked a 
lot of things, and as a fork, we respected that (e.g. creating our own 
Start Center).


The new is the behavior, e.g. we'd like to add a password to the prefs 
.. and so on, and include pedaogical objectives for students doing that. 
e.g. we' like to use the existing start center + the Impress wizard as 
-sort of- design patterns, to write two new wizards, opening predefined 
models in both writer and draw, but in two clicks, and insist on the use 
of styles.


.. and so on


StarOffice4Kids used the officebean and put an own simplified Java UI around.


Ok

In my vision of the Education Project working on performance issues, there are - I'd say - gurus, who do constitute the Performance 
projects core. On Education Project side, mentors and students who respectively teach and learn the good practices, and, for the best of 
the students, work on performance improvements. When the idea, and the resulting code will be enough, we'll join the performance meeting, and 
propose our work to be evaluted.

To be frank with you, I have some doubs yet another project/sub-project will 
help there (ihmo there is no need to complicate more), but I can be wrong.



well i don't talk about a real sub project. See it more as virtual project. 


No idea the name, in fact: we just do it, and we'll see later what is 
the result.



One further effort to improve the overall performance under the
umbrella of the performance project. And what is the performance project. It is one further aspect of the normal and always ongoing 
development umbrella.


As i have mentioned earlier i personally don't like our structure with all the different projects, many of them are useless and are not really 
projects. Other are very active and span a much bigger scope.


So i personally work on the OpenOffice.org project in different areas ;-)


Same for me, but the only way to be consistent and have some 
credibility. For the external world, it is to have an active Education 
Project, and people specialized in the domain, answering the need.



Not only : the teachers are involved too. Most of the scheduled changes have been proposed by them, and without them, nothing would 
have been possible (they know better than us what is possible).


that sounds very good and interesting


But needs a lot of energy, people and time


eric.bachard wrote: 
Other extremely important thing: OOo4Kids is the way to enter in 
schools with free software.


yes of course and as i mentioned before, the kids are our users of tomorrow and they are the business leaders and decision makers of 
tomorrow ...


I just limited my vision to stop seing a lot of governments pay zillions 
of euros/dollars for an office suite, while the need is already covered 
several times by free software.



I think this is not sufficient. We need to implement more than what we have today, and integrate more Education specific contents and so on. 
Believe me or not, but the only thing people want (not only teachers), is : simplify the UI. On MAc OS X side, this is the rule 20% visible / 
80% hidden law.


i haven't said that we have everything in place and i am sure that we have to do much more. But i see an overlap with the UX team here and 
doesn't it make sense to work closer together.


When we did the Mac OS X native port (IMHO the first real effort from 
the not-Sun community), we did a lot of UX changes, but nobody joined us.



Teachers and kids are one further user group with a different focus as normal 
office us

Re: [dev] Re: OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Horst,

Horst Salzwedel a écrit :

Hi Eric + all,

congratulations for the great idea of doing an OOo version for education. Like MS Office, OOo has functionality aimed for offices and 
does not consider the requirements for education and learning.


That's the generic feedback indeed.



Learning is forming models in our heads and playing and manipulating them. 
Numbers themselves are just facts.


Agreed.

However, spreadsheets like Calc are hiding models and are just displaying numbers. Therefore they do not further learning. Additionally 
they are nearly impossible to debug for complex problems.


I know there is a scenario feature, but I don't know how to use it.


With the complexity of our technology are increasing by a factor 100 every 10 years with the increase of chip capabilities. Understanding the systems around us or developing new ones can only be done based on 
computer models. It is critical for our society and for our technological progress that this is taking place already in schools, 
colleges and universities.


After being correctly defined it's role :)



With OOo freely available everywhere, it is an excellent platform to provide 
for this functionality for supporting learning and research.

As a step towards this goal Tino Jungebloud wrote a Diploma thesis, in which he intergrated the open source tool Octave (similar to Matlab) in 
OOo. This integration makes it possible to use Octave in OOo for like Calc or other applications + combine functionaliy of Calc and Octave. 
Octave includes Linear Algebra libraries, integrators for simulation + a huge libraries of numerical mathematics. You may use this for 
mathematical experiments like changing parameters with a slider in Calc and observing how the outcome of a simulation in Octave and its 
graphical output is changing.


Wow, that's awesome !

To talk more about me, I'm myself a Maxima ( i.e. free version of a 
Maple-like, for formal computations) user since years, and I had the 
secret wish, to do the same Tim did with Octave, but with Maxima :)


So see it done for Octave, is really a great news !!



As an example this may be used for teaching in introductory math in 7th grade 
how the function
y = a + b*x


I see

works by putting  a and b on sliders and observing how the function goes up or down or changes its slope, making the functional behavior visible 
and much easier to understand.


Extensions of this work may make it possible make draw objects or impress pages being represented by models, making it possible that even 
presentations themselves can meet the science requirements of traceability and repeatability and thus can be exchanged as scientific 
work.


This would be another incredible killer feature, indeed.



You may also use it for designing new control and navigation algorithms for 
spacecraft going to the moon, Mars or beyond.


That's extremely intersting.



We propose to also include this in OOo4Kids.
What do you think?


I think this work is extremely intersting. Nevertheless, before to go 
further, We'd need more information about what has been done, about 
portability .. and so on, to see whether this will desserve to be 
integrated into OpenOffice.org (as extension probably, or more subtily)


Last but not least, the *first* suggestion coming in my mind, is that 
you (and Tino Jungebloud ) could propose a paper for the next OOoCon 
(Orvieto, Italy). There will be a topic Education, and this *is* IMHO 
the right place for presenting such enhancements.


See :
http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009
http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/cfp
http://conference.services.openoffice.org/index.php/ooocon/2009/schedConf/timeline



If somebody is interested we can send you a copy of the thesis (in German).


I can read German, but I'm not sure to understand everything. Do you 
think I can have a look at it ?


Other possibility: we use a lot IRC, and



Thanks in advance for you opinion,



Thanks to you to have forwarded the information !


Regards,
Eric Bachard

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[dev] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Juergen,

Juergen Schmidt a écrit :

Martin Hollmichel wrote:

I like and support this idea,



me too and i support the idea as well.



Thank you very much for your support too !

I was a big fan of StarOffice4Kids project 


Same for me : Long time ago, I even asked for see the sources, but for 
some reasons, I never found them. Long time after, when the need became 
obvious for the Eucation Project to provide an Education oriented office 
suite, I was very early in contact with Stella Schultze, to discuss with 
her about design issues, and some other reasons I don't remin exactly. 
And indeed, she suggested to have a look at StarOffice4Kids.



with more or less the same idea.


I agree I "derived" StarOffice4Kids name, to create the OOo4Kids one. 
Indeed the idea is similar. I don't know ho wthings where done with 
StarOffice4Kids, but we have decided to strictely follow what the 
teachers ask (in fact, they must demonstrate every need). Did you the 
same ?  Can you tell me more about that ?


Nevertheless, there is at least one big difference : because of the slow 
/ poor / old machines most of the schools have, we decided to not use 
Java ( StarOffice4Kids is mostly Java if I'm not wrong), but maybe was 
it only a prototype ?



Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including 
milestones, like OOo does


what do you mean by completly independent ? I would expect that this 
branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ?



Work on the same things should be done on the same code base. For example Eric talked about performance. Edu performance projects could be 
seen as sub projects of the performance project with a special focus on educational things, maybe driven as university project ...


In my vision of the Education Project working on performance issues, 
there are - I'd say - gurus, who do constitute the Performance projects 
core. On Education Project side, mentors and students who respectively 
teach and learn the good practices, and, for the best of the students, 
work on performance improvements. When the idea, and the resulting code 
will be enough, we'll join the performance meeting, and propose our work 
to be evaluted.


To be frank with you, I have some doubs yet another project/sub-project 
will help there (ihmo there is no need to complicate more), but I can be 
wrong.




The really new stuff from a user perspective is the interaction with this 
specific user group kids, the OO users of tomorrow.


Not only : the teachers are involved too. Most of the scheduled changes 
have been proposed by them, and without them, nothing would have been 
possible (they know better than us what is possible).


Other extremely important thing: OOo4Kids is the way to enter in schools 
with free software.



This is from my point of view very important and can be partly achieved or addressed 
with a customizable UI. 


I think this is not sufficient. We need to implement more than what we 
have today, and integrate more Education specific contents and so on. 
Believe me or not, but the only thing people want (not only teachers), 
is : simplify the UI. On MAc OS X side, this is the rule 20% visible / 
80% hidden law.



I would expect the same code base but customized for the specific needs of kids. A minimized feature set and a kids related UI etc. A special 
branded and customized OpenOffice version if you want.


Yes, something close to that. But new features will be proposed 
(starting 2.x)



Anyway it's a very good idea and i will support it where i can.


Thanks again :)

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[dev] Re: [project leads] Re: [dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

Hi Martin,

Sorry, was away all the day yesterday.

Martin Hollmichel a écrit :

eric.bachard wrote:


[please continue the discussion on the dev@openoffice.org mailing list]
The OpenOffice.org Education Project proposes to drive the following 
experimentation :
- create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means 
hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from 
OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project.


I like and support this idea,


Thank you very much for your support  :-)

Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including 
milestones, like OOo does
what do you mean by completly independent ? 


Not sure wy wentence was enough precise, and the reasons are multiple:

First, if we provide commit access to students, we take some risks, and 
avoir them to commit on DEV300 or whatever other branch would be great.


Second, to avoid legal issues, we replaced the Sun copyrighted icons and 
everything we considered as causing such issue with new icons and other 
design. At other places, e.g. with the png loader I implemented for the 
splashscreen (saving 340 kB in the binary), we added new files, who are 
used just in case the build env OOo4Kids is defined, we modified the 
start centre, will reuse (in 2.x) it as "design pattern" for new 
wizards, ad so on. Last, but not least, the current localization on 
windows (NSIS) breaks the current OOO .sdf files. Not sure this will be 
easy to mix all that with OOo source code.


As reminder, the 1.0 goals are only :

- decrease the binary size (the current archive is around 80MB on 
windows, 272 MB decompressed)

- be sure it works on poor in ram and powerless machines, e.g. on XO **
- be stable and work as correctly as possible on Windows (I did the 
port), Mac OS X (PowerPC and Intel), and Linux (all possible ports)
- make a first approach with simplify the UI, in touch with teachers, 
respecting their need.


Open question : will all locales have the same needs for 7-12 children ?

Major changes will concern the 2.x or superior (everything is explained 
on http://wiki.ooo4Kids.org )


.. and so on

I hope all of this (maybe I forgot other reasons), will help you to 
understand what I meant with independance.




I would expect that this  branch should kept in sync with OOo releases ?


Yes, that's the case:  the 1.0 version uses and is in sync with the 3.2 
branch (I resync'ed my changes with DEV300_m54). Once the OOO320 branch 
will be created, we'll continue with it.



Regards,
Eric

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http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort#Various_adaptations__on_Sugar_-_i.e._Linux_-_.28click_me.29


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[dev] Proposal : OOo4Kids as official part of OpenOffice.org Project

[eric.bachard]

[please continue the discussion on the dev@openoffice.org mailing list]

Hi all,

Proposal :

The OpenOffice.org Education Project proposes to drive the following 
experimentation :


- create a dedicated branch in the OOo source code repository (means 
hosted by OOo Project) for a 7-12 years software, derivated from 
OpenOffice.org, and made and maintained by OpenOffice.org project.
Formally : create a new branch, completely independent of , including 
milestones, like OOo does

- work with schools and students to improve the software
- innovate about performances and cooperate with the performance project 
in this area

- (add your idea)

Resources : to be defined, but the non profit association EducOOo ( 
http://www.educoo.org ) is already candidate to manage that (e.g.receive 
sponsoring for the software, machines for students, and so on).



Facts that brought us to work on this plan:

- OpenOffice.org is not well adapted to Educational world, nor to 
children (7-12 there)
- OpenOffice.org has too much of features for children, and is too 
complicated for them

- Performance issues : OpenOffice.org is slow on a lot of machines
(mainly the one who have 512MB of ram or less, and procs 1,5GHZ or less 
we can find in most of schools)
- Lot of schools, all around the world, are poor, and will have to wait 
several years before to buy new hardware
- to fit the new emergent market (netbooks, eeepc like, gdium, future 
tablets (including the probable Apple one) .. and soon), OpenOffice.org 
needs to provide a light version, adapted to such machines ( poor in ram 
and powerless)


The ideas :

- simplify OOo and propose a light version of OOo, for example removing 
Base and providing a simplified Writer and Calc versions

- experiment new features, new UI and so on, including experiment whatever
- work with students to write the code, with the goal to integrate only 
the best features in OOo,

- prepare children to use OpenOffice.org
- adapt OOo for children will help to work on performance issues
- use a name adapted to children : OOo4Kids, trademarked by one or 
several non profit association, to keep the project out of companies control

- there is no risk for OOo, and avoids to disturb the OOo process


Thanks in advance for your opinion


Eric Bachard
Lead,
OpenOffice.org Education Project

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[dev] Reports from students from Ecole Centrale Nantes (contributions to OOo ) are available

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

Education Project cooperates with schools, to teach students (potential 
new devs for OOo) how to write code and add features into OpenOffice.org.


And I'm proud to tell you we now have high quality reports, I invite you 
to read.


For further information, please read : 
http://eric.bachard.free.fr/news/2009/07/eraser01-final-report-english-version.html


Please forward !!

Thanks !
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[dev] Re: [tools-dev] Moving from Mozilla to SeaMonkey

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Hi,

Maho NAKATA a écrit :

From: eric b 

More precisely, this cws is born from a task proposed and managed by the 
Education Project. Pierre Pasteau, student at Epitech Paris,
worked hard to achieve his part for OpenOffice.org, and Frank was the 
profesionnal helping us. From my side, I mentored Pierre, and provided
patches an buildfixes too.


Many thanks Pierre and Eric too!


Thank you :-)

Let me mention the Epitech Paris School, who is involved a lot too with 
OpenOffice.org Project. And see my blog for all the positive actions we 
did already.


I just blogged today, about a work students from Ecole Centrale Nantes 
did, to improve Impress, and when I see the result, I wonder why such 
contributions are not valorized more :


- all the devs who contributed had really a nice time teaching that to 
the students

- all the students did a great work

And I strongly invite people to read and help us.

The OpenOffice.org Education Project *is* the best way to attract new 
devs, and it would be great to see more encouragements with such effort.



Thanks,
Eric Bachard


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Re: [dev] Contributing to OpenOffice

[eric.bachard]

Hi Bernhard,

Bernhard Barker a écrit :

Hi everyone

I'm a university student and have an assignment in which I need to fix an bug 
for an Open Source project.


Great. Which University ?  Sorry to look curious, but can you please 
tell us more ?  As professor myself, a student who does not present his 
school looks strange to my eyes :-)


FYI, OpenOffice.org is not the most easy, and needs to learn a lot 
before to be operational. To help that, there is an Education Project, 
where we welcome newcomers, and provide the basics.


The first step is always to help you to build OpenOFfice.org, because 
without a set, you cannot experiment new code. Once done this basic 
step, the adventure starts :-)


If you need firther information, you can directly discuss with us on IRC 
( server is  irc.freenode.net, and the channel is 
#education.openoffice.org )


Once we'll have answered to some of your questions, you'll be able to 
contéact the right mailing list and / or project.


Last but not least, please note we work with schools, and professors, 
and if something is possible I'd be glad to discuss with someone from 
your school.






This might be a stupid question, but, if I find an issue I am interested in 
fixing from the issue list, how do I get assigned
to that issue?


Maybe you could explain us what issue first ?  :)

Welcome on board

Eric Bachard


Some links who might interest you :

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort
http://education.openoffice.org/
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project

+ the one below  ;-)

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[dev] [ClassRoom] mercurial ClassRoom (was log of git ClassRoom available)

[eric.bachard]

Hello Heiner,

Sorry for the delay, but I was afk all the week end.

Jens-Heiner Rechtien a écrit :

Gi Eric,




Yup, have read this :-) We can setup a mercurial classroom as well, after I'm 
back from vacation (July, 6th).


Thank you very much for the proposal. That's fine to me, of course !



Let's say at sometime in mid July?


Ok for that, say the week 13th to 18th July is perfect. Not after, 
because I'll be on holidays.


If ever you prefer the previous week, I'll be away from home from 7th to 
11th of July, attending the Libre Software Meeting  further information 
http://2009.rmll.info/?lang=en ), but there is IMHO no problem to be 
online if needed.


To summarize, I propose you to add the proposal on the agenda, with a 
little warning about the exact date, or just give the week (feel free to 
choose what you prefer).


Looking forward to reading you,
Eric

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[dev] [ClassRoom] Log available : introduction to git tool

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

FYI, we had a nice ClassRoom, about git introduction, made by Jérémie 
Laval (from UTBM).
As usual the log is available at : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Previous_Logs/git


Thanks again to Jérémie and the attendees !


Regards,
Eric Bachard


P.S. : the choice of explain git tool has been proposed long time ago by 
Jérémie, and is completely orthogonal to the current choice to use 
mercurial. Last but not least, we'd be happy to have a ClassRoom about 
mercurial.

Heiner, do you read me ?  :-)
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[dev] [Mac OS X port] Next IRC meeting : wednesday 18th of February

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

FYI, the next Mac OS X port IRC meeting will happen on :

Wednesday 18th of February, 14:00 UTC, 15:00 CET (Paris and Hamburg hour)

Server:  irc.freenode.net
Channel : #ooo_macport

For the agenda, please read: 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X_Port_Meetings#Next_Meeting


Everyone, willing to discuss contructively the proposed topics, is 
welcome !
Important: don't forget we always reserve the first part of the meeting, 
to welcome new devs.


See you !!
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Re: [dev] Software Engineering Students & Open Source development

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Hi Eike,

Eike Rathke a écrit :


I forwarded your mail to Andreas as he's not subscribed to the mailing list.


Ooops ... Thank you very much !

And Happy New Year to you :-)

Kind regards,
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Re: [dev] Software Engineering Students & Open Source development

[eric.bachard]

Hi Andreas,

Le 7 janv. 09 à 16:36, A.Meiszner a écrit :
> A hello to all and I hope this mail made it to the right section!

No doubt, most of the OOo devs will read it :)

If I can, for Education dedicated questions, there is a 
d...@education.openoffice.org mailing list (subscribe is mandatory), 
where I forwarded your mail.


> We are currently piloting an “open” approach for the course 
“Introduction to Software Engineering” (ISE) at Aristotle University in 
Greece,



That's a great idea. And I'm sincerily glad to read such news : you have 
all my encouragements !



> aimed at bringing together Aristotle students, students from fellow 
universities, open source practitioners and anyone else interested in SE.


As professor myself, in a french engineer school, I try to do the same 
with my students, and I perfectly understand what your need is.



> To facilitate the students entrance to open source projects we are 
now trying to organize some live events for Jan / Feb
> 2008 (chats, video sessions or pod casts at ustream) that would 
introduce the students to some aspects relevant to

> working in open source environments.

If you are interested, I propose to discuss directly about that on IRC 
(see below for the channel/server).



> Therefore I wondered if anyone here might be interested in chairing 
one of those live events and to talk (A) about
> OpenOffice in general, some experiences and challenges, ways to 
contribute to it, etc and (B) about a more generic

> topic relevant for “newbies” (e.g. “understanding the code”, etc).

In my free time, as myself developer for OOo since several years (mostly 
Mac OS X port), and involved in mentoring students since several years 
two (twice Google SoC mentor, and some other), and I sincerily think 
OpenOffice.org Education Project can answer such request and organize 
such event successfully.


In fact, we are used to do IRC meeting as "ClassRooms". Please notice we 
use IRC, because people attending are from all around the world, and not 
everybody has a good connectivity. So IRC is the less bad compromise. 
Anyway, we provide all the logs, thus asynchronous se is possible too.


The bad thing is, due to lack of resources, we have not the time to 
present something Funky, and that's a real mess.



> For this ISE course we set up an experimental open learning space
> 
(http://www.netgeners.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=92) 
to facilitate the students
> work and to provide a central meeting point for the different 
stakeholders.


Here we mostly use the OpenOffice.org wiki (see 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project ), mailing 
lists, the svn repository, the sources and IRC channels. We could use 
other resources, but since we concentrate on the code, and we do not 
deliver any Diploma, we do not care too much about the shape :)


And if ever new contributor join the staff, no doubt we'll improve 
everything very soon



> What we would like to achieve with this is to bring together open 
source development & software engineering
> education – means to create a win / win scenario by allowing students 
to gain practical skills (plus some soft skills)

> meanwhile contributing to an open source project.


What we aim to do with OpenOffice.org Education Project, is exactly 
that. In particular, we try to involve :


- schools (as sponsor, and /or resources)
- students
- professors (as locale resource for student, and evaluation/validation 
in the school

- developers and volunteers from the Project

.. means create a strong bridge between Educational system and the 
project. All around the world.



As example, please have a look at 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project/Effort for 
further information.




> The ISE course has app. 160 students per semester and the students 
are supposed to carry out a project work within a open source project,




This is a lot of students, and excepted a lot of organisation, receiving 
resources, and cooperation, I fear we currently are not able to manage 
so many students yet.




> contributing to this open source project in one out of three ways: 1. 
to identify (and fix) bugs, 2. to contribute to the code, or 3. to draft 
/ improve the requirement specification documentation.

>


Well, you just are describing something very similar to the Effort we 
started :)




> In the case you would know people from other open source projects 
that might also be interested in chairing a live

> event I would be glad if you could circulate this mail.
>

Most of the people able to participate are now aware, with yor mail.

> Hope someone here might find this of interest!

Sure, you can believe me :-)


> Tips or hints to similar initiatives are more than welcome!


What about organize an IRC meeting ?

Better than IRC meeting exists, but until now, we have people joining 
from all around the world, and not everybody has a good connectivity 
(forget video). For

Re: [dev] New Developer

[eric.bachard]

Hi,

Ahmed El-Deeb a écrit :

Hello team,
 My name is Ahmed El-Deeb and I am a recent Computer 
Science
graduate. I would like to join the development team of OpenOffice.  


Be welcome :)

FYI, there might be usefull information for you on Education Project. We 
try to organize (IRC) ClassRooms, for beginners :

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Previous_Logs

We even started a "Practice" entry : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Practice


But we can really more, and if you have questions, there is (on 
irc.freenode.net server) #education.openoffice.org IRC channel, where 
you can ask beginner's questions, without fear flooding the 
#dev.openoffice.org channel.



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Re: [dev] Getting and Building OO 3.0

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Hi,

Chad Tindel a écrit :

Hi-

I'm interested in building a new plugin for oocalc, and I'm just trying to get 
to the point where I can checkout and build from source.  There are so
many different wiki pages saying how to build it, how to get it, but they're 
all different and I can't tell what is current and accurate.  Is there a
page that just shows how to checkout the source and build it on a linux 
platform?  It doesn't have to be a completely bleeding edge branch (i.e.
with broken builds), but a known-working beta branch would be fantastic.

Help?


FYI, no need to be student, but Education Project does provide support 
to beginners for discovering OpenOffice.org development.


- the entry point is [1] (see links below).
- there is a welcome translated in several locales (new translations are 
welcome ! ) and there are ClassRooms too (see [2]).


For the real begining, I think what you need is in the logs of previous 
ClassRooms [3] (look at mine), probably copleted with [4].


If you need more, I'd suggest you to join Education Proejct IRC channel 
( #education.openoffice.org , server is irc.freenode.net ) and ask. We'd 
be glad to help you. Don't forget you'll need to learn and practice a 
bit: nobody will do the job for you, and the main workj to do is on your 
side.


Last but not least, please note the current milestone is DEV300_m20 (not 
DEV300_m11 , because the log is not from today ;-)  )


Hope this helps you

Eric Bachard



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[1] Education Project 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project

[2] ClassRoom http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom
[3] ClassRoom logs : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Previous_Logs/Introduction
[4] ClassRoom practice : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_ClassRoom/Practice

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Re: [dev] fixing warnings in binfilter?

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Hi Stephan,

My apologies for the long delay before the answer, but I'm just back at 
home.



Stephan Bergmann a écrit :
: "I think we can start to fix warnings in binfilter."  When we started the 
warning-free endeavor, we deliberately left binfilter "unfixed."


Sorry, what means "we" ?  I was not aware something was decided 
"officially" about binfilter module.

Do you have a link ?

 The main motivation for making the code warning free was to offer a quality control tool for future code contributions/modifications (locating existing errors was only of subordinate interest).  But as binfilter is 
more-or-less dead code, it was deemed unrewarding to make that code warning free (a process with a non-trivial risk of introducing new 
errors, by the way).


Well, there are several things :

First, the idea was pedagogical. Means, I think this is helpfull for the 
Education Project (thus undirectly for OpenOffice.org Project), e.g. 
other could say fix warnings is one simple way to attract people 
interested to join, because :


- build OpenOffice.org is required (important prerequisite)
- create, apply/unapply patches is a daily task for all
- understand the code is mandatory
- discuss some warnings fixes on IRC is helpfull (and completmentary),
- this is good practice, and opens doors for other questions, ..etc


If I can, with the little experience I have, this is motivating: 
students have not an important experience with OpenOffice.org source 
code, and start slowly with a module like this one cannot cause too much 
of trouble. After some experiences like that, they become familarized 
with OpenOffice.org tree, and are less afraid with it's size.


Don't forget the main complain from the beginners:  too complicated and 
dark.


Continuying with the same goal, the idea to create cws is to show how 
things happen for true in the project, with a limited risk.


Second, I must admit 3MB of warnings at every build is a bit boring me 
(and I'm not alone), mainly when I know most of the problems do have a 
trivial fix ( say at least 95%), I think it cannot be bad to fix them.


I never said fix all ( I discussed some with Philipp recently, and 
obviously, some fixes will probably be tricky, or not possible), but 
again, I'm pretty sure it won't hurt anybody to eliminate 95% of those 
warnings.


Last but not least, Jan Holesovsky (alias Kendy) intelligently proposed 
to create patches with one objective only. e.g. one patch for 
uninitialized variables, one for bad Ctor initializations .. etc. More 
easy to verify the fixes are ok.


I hope you get what I thought starting such task.


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Re: [dev] I want to help

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Hello,

Le 14 mai 08 à 21:46, Bhuvanesh Khandelwal a écrit :
> Hello Sir
> I m an Engineering student from India.

That's nice to see students joining :)

> I had used open office & its features are impressive since it is Open 
to all so i also want to participate

> in writing code if I could.

OpenOffice.org is mainly written in C++ , but some part use C , Java , 
Python, bash, perl and Obj-C


> Please guide me so that I can be productive to u.
>

IMHO, you need to understand some points before. Where is what in the 
code, what does everything, know the Coding Guidelines .. etc


I'd suggest you to have a look at the wiki first, and then join us on 
IRC: discuss in real time is better for helping newcomers. The 
OpenOffice.org wiki starts : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page


And you can join us on IRC , e.g. using #education.openoffice.org 
channel ( server is irc.freenode.net )


I won't be present on the channel before two hours, but I see people 
like Cedric Bosdonnat who can probably provide you some good advices. 
Just ask !


Then, once you'll have a better understanding about OpenOffice.org 
source code and project, I think you'll be able to start  coding.


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Re: [dev] VCL UI Rework

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Hi Kay,

Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :

Hi,

does anybody know what the state and plans regarding the "VCL UI Rework"  (see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/VCL_UI_Rework) project 
are? As we need to do something to improve our GUI, this seems to be a good step into the right direction ...



FYI, after what I have seen during GoOOCon (Prague), I decided to test 
layoutdialogs cws on Mac OS X and so far it looks promising. (only 
tested zoom and another dialog box though )


The other alternative  I'm aware does only concern Mac OS X, using 
libRenaissance ( automagic layouting on the fly, using .xml files 
created from .src with Kohey python script). I'm in touch with Nicola 
Pero, from GNUstep project for that.




See also
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Chrome_Again
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/UI_Layout


Reading all that above, I got some questions :

What are the plans ?  Who can contribute ?  Reading Chrome Again wiki 
page, the work is really advanced, but is it just a draft ?


Last but not least, I know there is something in progress about more MVC 
in OpenOffice.org, mainly in vcl, but I can't remember where it is for 
now  ( I'll try to retrieve it asap :-) )



Regards,
Eric Bachard


P.S. : the Mac OS X screenshots are outdated :-)
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Re: [dev] openoffice.org for children

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Hi Jurgen,

> maybe you are right i don't know but i agree that it would be nice.

Sure it would :)

> I think one step further that of course is not possible today. But 
think about an extension that provides a new icon set,
> configuration files to change and reduce the menus and toolbars to 
fulfill more the requirements of childs.



This is work in progress inside Education Project, on elementary schools 
request.

Unfortunaly, this is not for short term, but stay tuned  ;-)

> And a set of templates that especially address some basic concepts 
and training stuff as in so4kids.


For the record, several years ago, I contacted the so4kids guys, 
proposing my help ( for Mac OS X port ), and asking for the sources.


After some time (long), they kindly answered me, asking me to wait.  No 
news since.


Do you know them ?


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Re: [dev] join

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Hello Bret,

Bret Pedersen a écrit :

I am going to programming in school. I am using Visual Basics 6.0 in my class. 
I am interested in doing this.


First, be welcome in OpenOffice.org project  :-)

Depending on your skills, you could start there : 
http://development.openoffice.org/


If you have no idea, or find this page a bit hard for you, please there 
is an Education Project ( please read 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project#Welcome_to_the_Education_project_.21 
and  http://ooo-education.blogspot.com/  for further information )


One of the mission of the project, is help you to discover 
OpenOffice.org project, and start programming/writing code.


Disclaimer: I'm not Windows specialized, but I'm sure we'll find 
resource people soon.



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Re: [dev] Mac Aqua Build on a Quad G5 under Leopard

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Hi,

Nice to see PowerPC builders :)

Russell McGaha a écrit :
Trying to follow the Aqua build instructions on a Quad G5 running  
10.5.1, I get the following error in the build.sh script [actually, I  
think it is in the ./configure script RUN by build.sh] :


No problem on Leopard PowerPC for me.


checking for ant... /sw/bin/ant
checking whether ant is >= 1.6.0... ./configure: line 25055: test:  not 
/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM: integer expression expected


Strange, the real name is JavaVM.framework .. shell issue ?


configure: error: no, you need at least ant >= 1.6.0


verify you really have :

--with-jdk-home=/System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Home



anyone know if a cure is possible??



Can you connect you on IRC , say in 3 hours ?  Server is 
irc.freenode.net  channel  :  #ooo_macport


I think this should help a lot


Regards,
Eric Bachard


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Re: [dev] Participate in OpenOffice.org

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Manu,

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Sir,
I am Manu S working in Indian Institute of Astrophysics has a Research Trainee.


Interesting :-)   (I do some physics at more low level in the real life )


I would like to contribute to Openoffice.org.


Do you have some idea of what you want to do/develop ?

 I know C language. 


FYI, OpenOffice.org is mainly written in C++ (90% of the code 
approximatively), but C will help a lot.



Can you tell me how to participate in this project.


FYI, thre is an official wiki for the project, and everything is here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Main_Page

IMHO, all essential informations are already written there.

If you have questions, we use IRC, and for developers, there is 
#dev.openoffice.org channel on irc.freenode.net server


If youhave a precise need, other IRC channels are described here : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/IRC_Communication


To find more easely everybody involved in the project, you can have a 
look at the page : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DomainDeveloper


Last but not least, and if you are interested, there is an Education 
project, recently "relaunched" (work in progress).


Its purpose his to help teachers as well as students or anybody involved 
in education to enter the OpenOffice.org project and find a place where 
to contribute or to find informations. ( #education.openoffice.org channel )


This is not well advanced yet, but everybody is welcome to join and work 
on that ( see 
http://education.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList to 
subscribe )


And feel free to ask, and be welcome :-)


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Re: [dev] [ANN] Call to support Education project

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Hi Ariel,

Ariel Constenla-Haile a écrit :

Hi Eric,

I've been always been surprised (for good) by the kind of work that people like Rony G. Flatscher is doing at the W-U Wien with his 
students,


Maybe you could invite him to join us ? I'm very interested to learn 
from him



and wanted something like that for my Uni (UNLP - Universidad Nacional de La Plata, La Plata, Argentina): OOo can be the best way of 
teaching Computer Sciences to students: beginning with OOo Basic's language basics, then OOo Basic and the API .. to the native C++ source 
code.


Exactly, and even more :-)


A project like http://education.openoffice.org/ is a very great idea!!!
Congratulations!


Thank you very much for your encouragements, and don't hesitate to join 
us: you are very welcome, and there is place for everybody, ( and for a 
long time :)  )



Best regards,
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[dev] Volunteers for QA on Linux PowerPC ?

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Hi,

Since some times, the demand for Linux PowerPC version is growing. At 
least for french version, and I found people willing to help for the QA 
(fr version).


FYI, I have uploaded personnal builds, not QA'ed of m231 (vanilla).
Means unofficial builds, only potential rc, nothing more.

The URL is : http://ftp.cusoo.org/LINUXPPC/m231/  and I propose fr and 
en-US (other locales on demand) in both .rpm and .deb formats (the 
archives do contain everything)


Please note:   .rpm are _untested_  , and I do use IBM jdk1.4.2 for the 
build ( 1.5.0 is untested )


My question is: are there people interested to contribute for Linux 
PowerPC QA ? If they are enough, maybe we could work together to propose 
2.4 version and maybe 3.0 ?


Thanks in advance for any help / feedback :-)

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[dev] --disable-binfilter and 5.x compatibility

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Hi,

Just for your information, I think it is not a good idea to build using 
--disable-binfilter in production.


They are users still using old StarOffice file format, and complaining 
on users@ lists, because they simply cannot open old files, while 
OpenOffice.org 2.0 still does.


I believe they are a lot in the same case (.e.g in administratons or so).


Thanks for forwarding,
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Re: [dev] About building OOo

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Hi,

Peter Junge a écrit :

Hi Jiang Chuang,

which architecture are you building for? Is it a Lemote Box?


Good question ! :)

Reading the log:

mkdir ../../unxlngrm.pro/lib/

...and decomposing unxlngrm, it seems to be :

unx/ln/g/r(m)

unx for unix like, ln for Linux, g for gcc as compiler and r for arm

But I don't see why rm ( only r is present in solenv/inc/*.mk )  ?


Regards,
Eric Bachard


*all buildable archs have their own flags defined in 
solenv/inc/$(GUIBASE)$(OS)$(COMPILER)$(PROC).mk



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Re: [dev] MacOS SDK for OO v2.2.0 - final version, when?

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Hi,

Thomas Kashofer a écrit :

Hi,

does anyone (maybe Mr. Maho or Mr. Bachard ;-) ) know, when the final
Version of the SDK for OO v2.2.0 on MacOSX Intel will be available?


Currently, due to limited resources and AFAIK, there is no QA process 
defined for the SDK on Mac OS X port, and there is no guarantee it works.




Yes I know that the rc4 exists, but I'd rather use the tested final
version, that the following

ftp://ooopackages.good-day.net/pub/OpenOffice.org/MacOSX/2.2.0
rc4_20070323/OOo_2.2.0rc4_20070323_MacOSXIntel_SDK_en-US.dmg


I'd suggest you to use it, and report any issue on IssueZilla. More 
informations : http://qa.openoffice.org/ooQAReloaded/ooQA-ReportBugs.html


 + drop a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list :
http://porting.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList 
(subscribe is mandatory )



Then we will forward to the correct owner, and try to fix them asap.


Thank you very much in advance  :)


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Re: [dev] Re: [qa-dev] info about red tinderbox status in EIS now available in OOoWiki

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Hi,

Andreas Schlüns a écrit :

Hello Thorsten,



could this the starting point that QA have to set CWS back to the CWS 
owner, when a result of tinderbox is red?



If you provide the build environment where we can fix those issues ...


Ok, noticed.

FYI, one french people recently proposed remote access on a Mac park of 
machines, and I've in mind to create another tinderbox (cloph will be 
happy ) +  several bots if possible.


Only Mac OS X machines are concerned.

There is no guarantee yet, but this is work in progress.


Would be nice to have a Mac on my working table .-))


Not exactly on your working table, but more probably remotely  :)


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Re: [dev] About OOo Math / looking for developers

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Hi Thomas,

Thank you very very much for your post !!

Because my job is mainly scientific oriented, Math is my preferred 
application in OpenOffice.org : works fine, easy to learn, I use a lot 
of formulas in my real job. My dream would be maxima ( Maple like) to be 
used inside OpenOffice.org ( I currently use TexMacs for that), but I 
never found the time to investigate more.


Sorry to not help you more (Mac native port eats all my free time) but, 
I learned a lot reading your mail, and to help you, I forwarded it on 
french mailing lists.


BTW, woudn't it be better to put all these informations on some wiki page ?


Regards,
Eric Bachard


Thomas Lange a écrit :


I'm, the developer and maintainer of OOo Math.

I'm going to write a bit about Math in general and it's
code because for there is an actual current interest (thanks
Alfredo!) and also because it is sth. I should have done
already a long time ago. ^^°




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Re: [dev] Learning VCL

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Hi Stephan,

Stephan Bergmann a écrit :

Philipp Lohmann - Sun Germany wrote:



Maybe the Mac native porters have some knowledge/links to share.  Eric?


The people who currently have the most important knowledge in vcl are 
Philipp Lohmann, Stephan Schaefer and Herbert Duerr.


I'm far, very far behind them  :-)

Now, guessing I'm the good Eric :-) , we indeed started a description of 
vcl, for Mac OS X port.


This is a work in progress -more a draft currently-, and we will 
continue the description (mainly since I'm learning Design Patterns more 
deeply). For the one interested, the first links we can suggest are :


1) First what is vcl ?

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb#Sort_out_documentation_about_VCL_around_Native_Mac_OS_X_port

2)  Pierre de Filippis did a very interesting work about that, and it 
can be very usefull too :


http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Intro_To_Mac_Porting

More links can be found reading Porting topic on the wiki : 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Porting


Feedback, help, corrections, contributions are  *welcome*  :-)


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[dev] URGENT : cws needs QA

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Hi,

The cws macosxfondu2, extremely important for Mac OS X port, cannot be 
QA'ed in time, because of an administrative problem :


Just the last day, Eric Hoch stopped to QA it.


This cws has been tested a lot of times, works fines, and specs have 
even be rewritten.  What I need is someone to Approve it.


If you are interested to help me, please contact me asap.


Thank you very much in advance.

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Re: [dev] Sun logo on when compiling from source?

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Hi,

Chris Harrington a écrit :

Just curious (and impatient waiting for the build to finish), does the Sun
logo still show up in places like the splash screen when compiling from
source? Or is it just the pre-compiled binaries that have the Sun logo's?


If I understand correctly you can find the two logos you are talking 
about in svx/res.

They are called  ooonologointro.bmp and  ooointro.bmp

Without modify anything, ooonologointro.bmp is the default for 
unofficial builds (without Sun logo )
Official builds will use Sun logo (needs to declare some environment 
variable for the build)



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[dev] [Mac OS X] Creation of [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list

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Hi,

Because it was necessary and requested, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailing list has been created (it's necessary to subscribe)


Objective : improve communication between developers, contributors and 
users on Mac OS X


As long as you are nice and courteous, please use it for everything 
about Mac OS X port, native or not, like actual development, announces, 
roadmap ..etc



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Re: [dev] font selection UI suggestions

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Mathias Bauer a écrit :

eric.bachard wrote:

Caolan meant that complaining about a bug on the dev list is not
appropriate - people that post here should fix bugs, not complain about
them. :-)


Thank you  :-)

In fact, my question was probably not enough clear : I wanted to ask 
Caolan why post here about fonts, just after have posted about pages...




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Re: [dev] font selection UI suggestions

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Hi Caolan,

Caolan McNamara a écrit :


This is the *dev* list isn't it. Pull out your compiler/debugger and
whip up a patch.


:-)

English is not my native language, and I do not exactly understand the 
purpose of your post. Can you explain more, please ?


Last time, you pointed pages, and Mac OS X was already in background...



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Re: [dev] OOrc3 for MacOSX doesn't run with net profile

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Hi,

Very interesting.  I forward your mail on [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.

Rasca a écrit :


I downloaded and installed (just copied) the OOrc3 for macosx_ppc.

As long as the preference folder (~/.openoffice.org2/) is
on a network folder (here: macosx server with network user
profiles) OO doesn't run. More precisely: It starts but
as soon as I click on the menue (e.g. "Datei" - means "File",
I tested the german build) the application crashes.

If I create /tmp/oo and point with a symbolic link
".openoffice.org2" to this place: no problem.


I'm not sure to understand what you do. Could you please give us a 
complete process to reproduce your issue ?



Thank's in advance  :-)


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[dev] [porting] Re: [dev] How does one package OO for distribution?

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Hi Marko,

Thank you for your interest in OpenOffice.org,

dR a écrit :

I managed to compile on OS X.  Now I would like to
create a distributable package or tarball. 


We already provide official packages, actually as .dmg, but if you want 
to help us, you're welcome :  we really need builders to test all 
changes, and verify if nothing is broken.



How does one do this, please?


I suggest you to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list, where you'll find all the 
help you need.



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[dev] Need Help for alias creation in external : ask for RE help

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Hi,

For Mac OS X port, we need to include fondu sources (see : 
).
This external resource will provide us a binary able to automatically 
extract .ttf (and more ) native fonts from Apple native fonts (not in 
.ttf format).


I have tried to create fondu dir directly in external, and I'm plain 
wrong, because a "special" procedure has to be used.
And for creation of fondu project in external, help from an Hamburg RE 
is necessary.


Objectives :
- delete what I have created (wrong)
- create a correct alias for me

Everything concerns macosxfondu cw. This cws uses m134, and is targeted 
for 2.0.1.


Actually, I am able to provide everything in macosxfondu cws to make 
fondu build, package and work. my problem is just how to include fondu 
in sources tree.



Thank's in advance for any help.

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Re: [dev] [Mac OS X ] Donation from Team OpenOffice.org e.V.

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OOops, my mistake :

Please change  all " OpenOffice.org e.V. " for " Team  OpenOffice.org e.V. "

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[dev] [Mac OS X ] Donation from OpenOffice.org e.V.

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Hi all,

I am proud to announce you, we received a donation from OpenOffice.org 
e.V. project, for a PowerMac G5 2,3GHz, with 2GB of ram, for an amount 
of 3000 euros.


This machine will be used as a tinderbox, for automated builds, and 
maybe more for development (remotely and locally).


Once configured, administration can be made remotely, using ssh 
connections.
While automated build are made, all logs are turned into html, and 
everything becomes visible using http.


As soon as possible, we'll use the bandwith of the the engineer school 
where I'm actually working :  ( waiting for 
authorizations).


Installation, configuration and administration of this tinderbox will be 
made by Maxime Petazzoni, student in 3rd year at UTBM.


Stay tuned :-)


Thank's to OpenOffice.org e.V. project !



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[dev] [Mac OS X ] Donation from CUSOON

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Hi all,

I am proud to announce you, we received a donation from the francophone 
association Cusoon , for an amount of 1500$.


We exactly received an ADC select membership + a "Mactel" location, to 
start the native Mac OS X port for both Intel and PowerPC architecture 
(next Apple hardware generation).


FYI, please note that 00o1.1.x and 1.9.xxx are already working (excepted 
java parts) on this machine. Build for universal binaries is in progress.



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Re: [dev] Mac OS X problem with instsetoo_native

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Hi,

I think this is not the good list, and I invite you to continue on 
dev@porting.openoffice.org , better list for Mac OSX port  ;-)



Gérald Fenoy a écrit :


Hi all,
I try to build the 680_m104s1 cvs version of openoffice on my mac but I  
have experimented some problems :




[... cut ... ]

cnconnectivity\source\drivers\mozabnmake-all
cn_mozab  cn_mozab_mozillasrc cn_dbtools NULL
And modify the scp2 "file_library_ooo.scp" file (I use this patch as  
source :  http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/patches/SRC680/m64/patches/ 
connectivity/buildfix-disable-mozab.diff).



Uff ...m64 ?  This patch is really out of date, please don't use it for 
m104.




2) When I came to testtools I have this error :
[Java framework] The JRE specified by the bootstrap variable  
UNO_JAVA_JFW_JREHOME  or  UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME  could not be  
recognized. Check the values and make sure that you use a plug-in  
library that can recognize that JRE.register component  
'file:///Volumes/UNTITLED/680_m104s1/sources/testtools/source/ 
bridgetest/../../unxmacxp.pro/class/testComponent.jar' in registry  
'../../unxmacxp.pro/lib/uno_services.rdb' failed!



javaldx failed  : are you using Panther, Tiger ?  and which j2sdk 
version is installed ?


Strange, looks like you have j2sdk1.3.1 installed... and OOo *won't 
build with 1.3.1* iven if it is written in the specs.



ERROR: Error 65280 occurred while making  
/Volumes/UNTITLED/680_m104s1/sources/testtools/source/bridgetest

dmake:  Error code 1, while making 'build_all'
'---* tg_merge.mk *---'

So I remove this lines from the makefile.mk :
$(REGCOMP) -register  -br $(MISC)$/$(TARGET)$/bootstrap.rdb -r $@  -c \
$(subst,$/,/  
$(FILEURLPREFIX)$(PWD)$/$(CLASSDIR)$/testComponent.jar) \

-classpath $(CLASSPATH)
then it compile.


No, please, don't remove this line : if the build breaks, there's 
another *good* reason, you can believe me.






But now it stop building on instsetoo_native, the first error was  
because of the well known problem with the msi installer, which is not  
realy needed when we compile oo on MacOSX I think, so I replace the cp  
-ua by a manual cp -r which seems to work as Ii want it to.


Yes, you have to install fink cp and usr --with-gnu-copy=/bin/cp for 
configure


[Java framework] The JRE specified by the bootstrap variable  
UNO_JAVA_JFW_JREHOME  or  UNO_JAVA_JFW_ENV_JREHOME  could not be  
recognized. Check the values and make sure that you use a plug-in  
library that can recognize that JRE.javaldx failed!


Your hack is only a hack :-)

The solution consists simply to find "why" the build breaks.



I give you the complete log file generated by this error. Hope that  help.


Can you give us more information about your configuration, please ?

- Mac OSX version
- j2sdk version
- gcc
- fink or darwinport ?

And, important : copy the content of  config_office/config.parms file
Everything  on dev@porting.openoffice.org list ;-)


Regards,
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Re: [dev] new feature in EIS: check specification documents

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Hi,

Bernd Eilers a écrit :

In EIS ( http://eis.services.openoffice.org ) there is a new menu entry 
"Misc/Check specification" available.


Yes, found it :-)

Hehe ... propose a new choose for the login is a good thing too! ( 
normal/guest )


As you all might know for new OpenOffice.org features specification 
documents should be written. Most of them can be found at 
http://specs.openoffice.org.


Yes, I know, and this is an important link for me since some times.

Specification documents MUST use the template available at 
http://specs.openoffice.org/collaterals/Specification_template.stw


Ok, no problem. I'll strictely follow your recommandations.

We have a semi-automatic WhatsNewGuide creation process where those 
documents are automatically parsed and content for the whatsnewguide is 
extracted. This does only work of course if section headers etc. are 
kept in tact and if the right template has been used.


ok



The new feature in EIS checks wether a given specification document is 
suitable for the semi-automatic WhatsNewGuide creation by applying the 
same XSL-Transformations to it for example.


Unfortunatly for existing specifications not always the right template 
has been used or wrong modifications have been made to the document. 
Sometimes specifications are not even using StarOffice Writer documents 
at all. This means that sometimes the XSL-transformations would work and 
sometimes they wont. Annother common error detected by this feature in 
some specifications is to start the abstract section with something like 
"This document" or similar this is also not suitable for the 
whatsnewguide creation and should be changed.


Just a test : check about Mac OSX word gave me :
Error: no title found   Error: no abstract foundError: no owner found

Ufff... really nothing ?  :-/

Maybe the template has not been correctly used ?

Anybody who has been written specifications is encouraged to check them 
with this new EIS feature. If errors should occur please update the 
specification by starting with a new document using the correct template 
and copy the content from the not suitable specification to it.


I'm not sure to be completely right, but ask for specification can be 
proposed, right ?


So, if this is possible  it might be interessant for all to discover 
that "another way" exists, and to illustrate this point, I'll propose 
new docs, about Apple Aqua Human Interfaces Guidelines. Just as example...


Since I contribute for OpenOffice.org, I never have seen a real effort 
about Mac OSX users interface nor look'n feel, but I'm sure some will 
beinterested with this.


The feature is also accessible with the following direct URL ( without 
EIS menüs surrounding it )


http://eis.services.openoffice.org/EIS2/guide.CheckSpecification


Thank you very very much for this feature. Great idea !!



Regards,
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Re: [dev] GNU cp error --

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Hi,

Vizion a écrit :



checking whether gnucp is GNU cp... gnucp: not found
configure: error: no, GNU cp needed. install or specify with 
--with-gnu-cp=/path/to/it




cp is tested, to know if all gnu options are available. gcp is GNU cp, 
but Mac OSX cp *is not* GNU cp, and fink or darwinports cp must be 
installed, with correct path passed in configure options.


Maybe you have gcp instead of cp ? Have you tried just with a symlink ?

Something like "ln -s gcp cp" in the dir containing gcp  ?

HTH

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Re: [dev] Fwd: FSF to fork OOo over java

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Hi again Sophie :-)
Sorry for the long link I don't know how to reduce it.
   ?
Kind regards,
eric

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Re: [dev] Brief question about Darwin build

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Hi,
Sergio Trejo a écrit :
Hi all,
I'm not sure if this is the correct mailing address to inquire about
building OpenOffice on Darwin / Mac OS X.
I think you'll see more traffic about Mac OSX on 
dev@porting.openoffice.org, and I invite you to subscribe to this list :-)

WARNING! Project(s):
gtk
not found and couldn't be built. Correct build.lsts.
-
This means your build is nearly finished. Congratulations ! If you want 
to really finish, you have to :

cd instsetoo
mv unxmacxp.pro unxmacxp.pro_backup
( this dir contains non stripped build)
cd ./util
dmake strip=TRUE
and in the new ../unxmacxp.pro, you'll find a complete and stripped 
build.  The number give you the locale : 01 for en-US
49 de , 33 fr ...etc. just tar cvzf arch.tar.gz the content, and you're 
done.


Interestingly, I do have gtk2 ( gtk-2.0 ) on my system (its libraries
be found in /opt/local/lib) which may be therefore in a location that
is perhaps not expected when OpenOffice is building? Should I create a
symbolic link from /opt/local/lib to another location that is expected
by the OOo build process? Or do I need to add LDFlags and CFlags
somewhere along the line? Or maybe its Ok and this warning can be
ignored completely?
gtk 1.x or 2.x is not needed for 1.1.x builds
Thanks for any insight.
You're welcome :-)
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Re: [dev] portaudio & sndfile: why SO only?

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Hi Rene,
Rene Engelhard a écrit :
Hi,
why is portaudio / sndfile SO only in 680? It was implemented in SRX645 whith 
OOo in mind, too. What is the reason? That the envvar needed isn't set?
If I'm not wrong -means if this concern's the code I think- , this code 
comes from Kevin Hendricks, how's sure signed the JCA  :-)

If this can help you, I always include it in SRX645 MacOSX.
Else the modules have same name...
Endif  :-)

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[dev] About 3.0 spécifications :-)

[eric.bachard]

IMPORTANT:
I post here, because I don't know all the lists names ( they're too 
much, and the size of my mail box is limited too...).
Feel free to FU2 the good list if necessary. Thank's in advance.

Hi all,
Because just only some specs are out for the 3.0, and because 
OpenOffice.org is *somewhere a community project*,  I thought it was the 
best moment to "suggest" some  "novelties" for the project. I'm sure a 
lot of new idées are already "in the box" but

Note : All what I propose is simply for project improvement, nothing 
else. I just want to help  :-)

Firstly, about user interface : it's not a secret here that I'm working 
for Apple hardware (for both LinuxPowerPC and Mac OSX), so I *strongly* 
suggest another way of look'n feel with (one more time) the Aqua Human 
Interface Guidelines***


Of course, this is not perfect, but anyway, some ideas/concepts are good 
to be used and will *really improve the look'n feel* of OOo. (like copy 
MS Office forever is not the solution too...). Apple is a market *too* 

IHMO, it cannot be a bad idea to read this doc, so, please, have a look...
Secondly, about the tools :
This second point cames from my students (very good students, I must 
say)  :-)  They're using these tools since some time, and I found them 
very interessant (not sure they're completely usefull here).  As an 
external contributor, I have both some experience with the actual tools, 
and think something can be improved somewhre...

Let's go :
- scons :  another way of dmake  URL  :  
 	
About:
SCons is a software construction tool (build tool substitute for Make) 
implemented in Python. It features a modular build engine that can be 
embedded in other software. SCons configuration files are Python scripts 
that call the build engine API. It can scan files to detect dependencies 
automatically and maintain a global view of all dependencies in a build 
tree, and uses MD5 signatures to detect changed file contents reliably. 
Timestamps can be used if you prefer. SCons also supports parallel 
builds and is easily extensible through user-defined builder and scanner 
objects.

- trac :  yet another IZ -like. URL  : 
Trac is an enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software 
development projects.


- subversion :  the future of cvs ?
I don't know if this is too late or not, but it's better than doing 
nothing. Feedback is welcome.

Constructively,
eric bachard
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Re: [dev] OpenOffice 1.1.4 / [EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Java

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Hi,
Tom Schindl a écrit :
Hi,
I'm having trouble to get OO1.1.4 with Java-1.4.2 to run on a 
Linux-Maschine with an PowerProcessor.

The java is coming from IBM because Sun does distribute a recent version 
for ppc.
I think it is IBMJava2-ppc-142, right ? Not sure this will solve your 
problem, but did you set JITC_PROCESSOR_TYPE to 6 (for a G4, it's the 
case)? IBMJava *need it* to work. For example, with bash, in 
/etc/profile , add the following line :

export JITC_PROCESSOR_TYPE="6"
Quit, log again and try with the above command, in a terminal :
set | grep JITC
...if everything's fine, you'll have JITC_PROCESSOR_TYPE="6" as answer, 
else something's wrong.

Hope this help you
Regards,
eric bachard
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Re: [dev] No longer support build OOo with JDK 1.3?

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Hi Maho,
NAKATA Maho a écrit :
Dear,
ports/editors/openoffice-1.1/work/odk/source/bean/native/unixdmake: 
Error code 1, while making 'instsetoo/prj/build_all'
I read
http://tools.openoffice.org/dev_docs/build_linux.html
and
If you are building with JDK 1.3.1, you need to download crimson.jar from http://xml.apache.org/crimson/  and xalan.jar and xml-apis.jar from http://xml.apache.org/xalan-j/index.html and add these to the compilation classpath
Do you believe it's possible to build a 680 on Linux PowerPC  with 
jdk1.3.1, (like 1.1.x does)  ?

If so, I'm happy and I'll try right now...because *since one month* I'm 
searching *why* sunjavaplugin doesn't work.   (see #i38974# for more 
informations). Great to read this !

FYI, the error message says :
...
using loader com.sun.star.loader.Java2
JVMCI114 : Cannot obtain system-specifice information
[Java framework] sunjavaplugin.soCan not create Java Vitual Machine
+ a lot of injuries
Results are : testtools and packaging build fails (only and just only 
this :-/ ) .  All the rest builds fine

I'm not far to think IBMJava-ppc-142 is not usable at all on 
LinuxPPC...at least for OOo build. Of course, any help/advice is welcome.

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