Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-24 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> Martin does this sound good to you? I think going with just core is a
> safe option.

I have no problem with it. I just want to make sure everyone
understands, and is on board with, exactly what we're doing before we
do it.

--
Martin Cooper


> musachy
>
> //when is gmail going to realize that no...I meant "musachy" not "mustache" :)
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
>> The xwork module are core, plugins and showcase. It was only recently
>> that xwork was broken up and I think it was meant to make things more
>> manageable. Personally, my vote is for #2 as well. If we need to make
>> xwork-specific plugins or continue building the xwork showcase, then
>> we can move those over to the apps and plugins struts2 modules.
>> Struts2 depends on xwork-core, so I think we start with that one and
>> bring plugins and showcase over if the need dictates.
>>
>> -Wes
>>
>> /summary - (b)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> Well, I would like to hear from Rene or Rainer about #2
>>>
>>> "2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other subset of 
>>> XWork"
>>>
>>> To be honest I don't even know what the other stuff is(I vaguely
>>> remember something about plugins for xwork), I think we should go with
>>> b) just core.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Musachy Barroso  
 wrote:
> we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
> under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)

 We don't have an answer to #2 yet (I saw opinions for both a and b),
 but we have answers to #1 and #3, so we're close. ;-)

 --
 Martin Cooper


> musachy
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  
> wrote:
>> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  
>>> wrote:
 What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
 move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
>>> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>>>
>>> Today it is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>>>
>>> and S2 is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>>
>>> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
>>> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
>>> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
>>> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>>>
 and make it a module just like core
 is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
 be built easily
>>>
>>> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
>>> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
>>> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 musahcy

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  
 wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
> wrote:
>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the 
>> struts
>> dir as a maven module?
>
> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>
> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>
> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
> especially (c).
> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
> which of the options this is.
> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>
> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I 
> believe
> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw 
> quite a
> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms 
> (which
> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
> emerge.
>>>
>>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same t

Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-18 Thread Musachy Barroso
Martin does this sound good to you? I think going with just core is a
safe option.

musachy

//when is gmail going to realize that no...I meant "musachy" not "mustache" :)

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
> The xwork module are core, plugins and showcase. It was only recently
> that xwork was broken up and I think it was meant to make things more
> manageable. Personally, my vote is for #2 as well. If we need to make
> xwork-specific plugins or continue building the xwork showcase, then
> we can move those over to the apps and plugins struts2 modules.
> Struts2 depends on xwork-core, so I think we start with that one and
> bring plugins and showcase over if the need dictates.
>
> -Wes
>
> /summary - (b)
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> Well, I would like to hear from Rene or Rainer about #2
>>
>> "2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other subset of 
>> XWork"
>>
>> To be honest I don't even know what the other stuff is(I vaguely
>> remember something about plugins for xwork), I think we should go with
>> b) just core.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
 under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)
>>>
>>> We don't have an answer to #2 yet (I saw opinions for both a and b),
>>> but we have answers to #1 and #3, so we're close. ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 musachy

 On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  
>> wrote:
>>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>>
>> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
>> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>>
>> Today it is here:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>>
>> and S2 is here:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>
>> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
>> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
>> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
>> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>>
>>> and make it a module just like core
>>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>>> be built easily
>>
>> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
>> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
>> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> musahcy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  
>>> wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
 wrote:
> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
> dir as a maven module?

 Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.

 In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:

 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
 especially (c).
 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
 which of the options this is.
 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?

 I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
 proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.

 --
 Martin Cooper


> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>  wrote:
>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
 Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I 
 believe
 is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw 
 quite a
 few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms 
 (which
 is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
 emerge.
>>
>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Lukasz
>> Kapituła Javarsovia 2010
>> http://javarsovia.pl
>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-15 Thread Paul Benedict
You would move it here:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/xwork/

Paul

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
> under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)
>
> musachy
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
 move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
>>> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>>>
>>> Today it is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>>>
>>> and S2 is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>>
>>> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
>>> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
>>> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
>>> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>>>
 and make it a module just like core
 is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
 be built easily
>>>
>>> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
>>> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
>>> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 musahcy

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
> wrote:
>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
>> dir as a maven module?
>
> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>
> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>
> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
> especially (c).
> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
> which of the options this is.
> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>
> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
> emerge.
>>>
>>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Lukasz
>>> Kapituła Javarsovia 2010
>>> http://javarsovia.pl
>>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-15 Thread Wes Wannemacher
The xwork module are core, plugins and showcase. It was only recently
that xwork was broken up and I think it was meant to make things more
manageable. Personally, my vote is for #2 as well. If we need to make
xwork-specific plugins or continue building the xwork showcase, then
we can move those over to the apps and plugins struts2 modules.
Struts2 depends on xwork-core, so I think we start with that one and
bring plugins and showcase over if the need dictates.

-Wes

/summary - (b)

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> Well, I would like to hear from Rene or Rainer about #2
>
> "2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other subset of XWork"
>
> To be honest I don't even know what the other stuff is(I vaguely
> remember something about plugins for xwork), I think we should go with
> b) just core.
>
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
>>> under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)
>>
>> We don't have an answer to #2 yet (I saw opinions for both a and b),
>> but we have answers to #1 and #3, so we're close. ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> musachy
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>
> Today it is here:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>
> and S2 is here:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>
> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>
>> and make it a module just like core
>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>> be built easily
>
> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> musahcy
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
>>> wrote:
 just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
 dir as a maven module?
>>>
>>> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>>>
>>> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>>>
>>> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
>>> especially (c).
>>> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
>>> which of the options this is.
>>> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
>>> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
  wrote:
> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite 
>>> a
>>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms 
>>> (which
>>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>>> emerge.
>
> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Lukasz
> Kapituła Javarsovia 2010
> http://javarsovia.pl
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-15 Thread Musachy Barroso
Well, I would like to hear from Rene or Rainer about #2

"2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other subset of XWork"

To be honest I don't even know what the other stuff is(I vaguely
remember something about plugins for xwork), I think we should go with
b) just core.

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
>> under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)
>
> We don't have an answer to #2 yet (I saw opinions for both a and b),
> but we have answers to #1 and #3, so we're close. ;-)
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork

 Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
 it under 'struts2', don't you?

 Today it is here:

 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/

 and S2 is here:

 http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/

 Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
 be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
 specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
 not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?

> and make it a module just like core
> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
> be built easily

 Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
 example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
 the statement that you want to be able to build easily.

 --
 Martin Cooper


> musahcy
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
>> wrote:
>>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
>>> dir as a maven module?
>>
>> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>>
>> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>>
>> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
>> especially (c).
>> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
>> which of the options this is.
>> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>>
>> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
>> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>>  wrote:
 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms 
>> (which
>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>> emerge.

 I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
 release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
 allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
 with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).


 Regards
 --
 Lukasz
 Kapituła Javarsovia 2010
 http://javarsovia.pl

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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-15 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
> under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)

We don't have an answer to #2 yet (I saw opinions for both a and b),
but we have answers to #1 and #3, so we're close. ;-)

--
Martin Cooper


> musachy
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
 move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>>>
>>> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
>>> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>>>
>>> Today it is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>>>
>>> and S2 is here:
>>>
>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>>
>>> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
>>> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
>>> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
>>> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>>>
 and make it a module just like core
 is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
 be built easily
>>>
>>> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
>>> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
>>> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 musahcy

 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  
> wrote:
>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
>> dir as a maven module?
>
> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>
> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>
> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
> especially (c).
> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
> which of the options this is.
> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>
> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
> emerge.
>>>
>>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>>
>>>
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>>> --
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-15 Thread Musachy Barroso
we are all now in the same page right? (meaning we agree to move xwork
under http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/)

musachy

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>>
>> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
>> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>>
>> Today it is here:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>>
>> and S2 is here:
>>
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>
>> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
>> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
>> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
>> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>>
>>> and make it a module just like core
>>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>>> be built easily
>>
>> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
>> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
>> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> musahcy
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
> dir as a maven module?

 Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.

 In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:

 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
 especially (c).
 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
 which of the options this is.
 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?

 I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
 proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.

 --
 Martin Cooper


> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>  wrote:
>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
 Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
 is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
 few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
 is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
 emerge.
>>
>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> --
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-09 Thread Musachy Barroso
yes I meant under struts2, sorry for the confusion

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
> it under 'struts2', don't you?
>
> Today it is here:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/
>
> and S2 is here:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>
> Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
> be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
> specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
> not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?
>
>> and make it a module just like core
>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>> be built easily
>
> Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
> example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
> the statement that you want to be able to build easily.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> musahcy
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
 dir as a maven module?
>>>
>>> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>>>
>>> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>>>
>>> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
>>> especially (c).
>>> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
>>> which of the options this is.
>>> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>>>
>>> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
>>> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
  wrote:
> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
>>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
>>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>>> emerge.
>
> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>
>
> Regards
> --
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Frans Thamura
is it possible if we talk struts3, we put REST as default main feature,
outside new Apache Xwork

F


Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Wendy Smoak  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>
>> We need to get past this. Where it lives does *not* have an impact on
>> whether it's built together with, or separately from, the rest of S2.
>> It can stay where it is and also be built along with, and released as
>> part of, S2. There are multiple ways of achieving that, the use of
>> externals being one of them.
>
> Externals are fine for convenience like 'trunks' or 'current' to check
> out several things together, but they will cause trouble when you try
> to tag a release.  Since they are just properties on a directory, they
> don't magically get updated when you tag.  Definitely not recommended,
> at least when releasing with Maven.
>
> The best way to do this is to have everything together in Subversion
> in a directory structure that matches the Maven parent-and-child
> module structure.

Good answer. :-) Thanks, Wendy.

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> (That doesn't mean that it has to be like this forever though.  If the
> mythical Struts 3 appears and xwork needs to be separate... then we
> move it.)
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:

> We need to get past this. Where it lives does *not* have an impact on
> whether it's built together with, or separately from, the rest of S2.
> It can stay where it is and also be built along with, and released as
> part of, S2. There are multiple ways of achieving that, the use of
> externals being one of them.

Externals are fine for convenience like 'trunks' or 'current' to check
out several things together, but they will cause trouble when you try
to tag a release.  Since they are just properties on a directory, they
don't magically get updated when you tag.  Definitely not recommended,
at least when releasing with Maven.

The best way to do this is to have everything together in Subversion
in a directory structure that matches the Maven parent-and-child
module structure.

(That doesn't mean that it has to be like this forever though.  If the
mythical Struts 3 appears and xwork needs to be separate... then we
move it.)

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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
> I agree with Wendy.
>
> XWork is currently located here:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/struts/xwork/
>
> I advocate its move to here:
> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/struts/struts2/trunk/xwork/ (doesn't exist)
>
> PS: The one caveat is if XWork really is valuable and would make it
> good in a theoretical Struts 3, it could stay where it is and be
> released separately. But, as already stated by others, it would mean
> it's an extra build -- but also forever tied to struts 2.

We need to get past this. Where it lives does *not* have an impact on
whether it's built together with, or separately from, the rest of S2.
It can stay where it is and also be built along with, and released as
part of, S2. There are multiple ways of achieving that, the use of
externals being one of them.

--
Martin Cooper


> Paul
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> one small point I forgot to mention. If we do it this way we won't get
>> more folks complaining about struts not building because of a recent
>> change in xwork. It will make it easier for the dev making a release
>> and for people building from trunk.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Wendy Smoak  wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
 What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
 move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
 is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
 be built easily
>>>
>>> I agree.  Right now it is a pain to release xwork separately, so let's
>>> not do that.
>>>
>>> I would put xwork underneath struts2/trunk, so that it is a sibling of
>>> 'core'.  Here:  http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>>
>>> This means you build (and release) struts and xwork all together.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wendy
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Wendy Smoak  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>> be built easily
>
> I agree.  Right now it is a pain to release xwork separately, so let's
> not do that.

That is probably the one piece of the puzzle that is clear and agreed
upon right now. :-)

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> I would put xwork underneath struts2/trunk, so that it is a sibling of
> 'core'.  Here:  http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>
> This means you build (and release) struts and xwork all together.
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork

Unless I'm mistaken, that is _not_ where you want to move it. You want
it under 'struts2', don't you?

Today it is here:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/trunk/

and S2 is here:

http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/

Since there is no 'struts/trunk', what you said above is unlikely to
be what you actually mean. This is why I'm trying to get an accurate
specification of what you *really* want. How can we agree if you're
not accurately stating what you want / plan to do?

> and make it a module just like core
> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
> be built easily

Great. I have no problem with that. Now, why is 1a better than 1c, for
example? And what is the answer to 2? Neither of these are answered by
the statement that you want to be able to build easily.

--
Martin Cooper


> musahcy
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
>>> dir as a maven module?
>>
>> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>>
>> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>>
>> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
>> especially (c).
>> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
>> which of the options this is.
>> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>>
>> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
>> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>>  wrote:
 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>> emerge.

 I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
 release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
 allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
 with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).


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 --
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Paul Benedict
I agree with Wendy.

XWork is currently located here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/struts/xwork/

I advocate its move to here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/struts/struts2/trunk/xwork/ (doesn't exist)

PS: The one caveat is if XWork really is valuable and would make it
good in a theoretical Struts 3, it could stay where it is and be
released separately. But, as already stated by others, it would mean
it's an extra build -- but also forever tied to struts 2.

Paul

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> one small point I forgot to mention. If we do it this way we won't get
> more folks complaining about struts not building because of a recent
> change in xwork. It will make it easier for the dev making a release
> and for people building from trunk.
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Wendy Smoak  wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
>>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>>> be built easily
>>
>> I agree.  Right now it is a pain to release xwork separately, so let's
>> not do that.
>>
>> I would put xwork underneath struts2/trunk, so that it is a sibling of
>> 'core'.  Here:  http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>>
>> This means you build (and release) struts and xwork all together.
>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Musachy Barroso
one small point I forgot to mention. If we do it this way we won't get
more folks complaining about struts not building because of a recent
change in xwork. It will make it easier for the dev making a release
and for people building from trunk.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Wendy Smoak  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
>> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
>> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
>> be built easily
>
> I agree.  Right now it is a pain to release xwork separately, so let's
> not do that.
>
> I would put xwork underneath struts2/trunk, so that it is a sibling of
> 'core'.  Here:  http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/
>
> This means you build (and release) struts and xwork all together.
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Wendy Smoak
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
> move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
> is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
> be built easily

I agree.  Right now it is a pain to release xwork separately, so let's
not do that.

I would put xwork underneath struts2/trunk, so that it is a sibling of
'core'.  Here:  http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/struts2/trunk/

This means you build (and release) struts and xwork all together.

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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Musachy Barroso
What we have been talking about and (vaguely) mentioned before is to
move it under /struts/trunk/xwork and make it a module just like core
is, so the release is coupled to the struts release and everything can
be built easily

musahcy

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
>> dir as a maven module?
>
> Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.
>
> In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:
>
> 1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
> especially (c).
> 2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
> which of the options this is.
> 3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?
>
> I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
> proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
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> emerge.
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>>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Cooper
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
> dir as a maven module?

Uh, it's already under the 'struts' dir as a Maven project.

In the context of the options I listed before, you appear to want:

1) (a), although I'm interested in the advantages of this over (b) or
especially (c).
2) Unspecified, since you're referring to 'xwork' but not defining
which of the options this is.
3) Unclear. Maybe (b)?

I'm not trying to be a pain, but I'm not seeing a clearly stated
proposal and an explanation of why it's the right way to go.

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> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
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>> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
 Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
 is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
 few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
 is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
 emerge.
>>
>> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
>> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
>> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
>> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>>
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RE: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Martin Gainty

who will create the mojo?

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> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 11:54:46 -0800
> Subject: Re: XWork has landed!
> From: musa...@gmail.com
> To: dev@struts.apache.org
> 
> just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
> dir as a maven module?
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
>  wrote:
> > 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
> >>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
> >>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
> >>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
> >>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
> >>> emerge.
> >
> > I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
> > release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
> > allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
> > with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
> >
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Musachy Barroso
just to close this, is anyone opposed to moving xwork under the struts
dir as a maven module?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 3:53 AM, Lukasz Lenart
 wrote:
> 2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
>>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
>>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>>> emerge.
>
> I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
> release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
> allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
> with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).
>
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-08 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2010/1/6 Musachy Barroso :
>> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
>> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
>> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
>> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
>> emerge.

I'm not so good in Maven but I'm for anything that will simplify
release process (XWork will be released with Struts2 together) and
allow me to work with XWork and see at the same time what will happen
with Struts2 code base (eg. launching tests in IDEA).


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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-06 Thread Musachy Barroso
hum, that's what i understood mot people wanted from our original
discussion and the last time we talked about this. It keeps xwork
independent (well sort of) and it will be part of the same release
process.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> I think the agreement is to move it under the struts trunk and make it
>> a maven module, like core.
>
> Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
> is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
> few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
> is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
> emerge.
>
> --
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>
>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2009/12/28 Paul Benedict :
 My fault for not being clear. I was intending to say XWork should be a
 "child module" (in the Maven sense) so it's actually part of Struts2
 build and versioning process.
>>>
>>> Any news? I would like to start some refactoring in Xwork and it will
>>> be nice to know where we are ;-)
>>>
>>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-06 Thread Martin Cooper
On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> I think the agreement is to move it under the struts trunk and make it
> a maven module, like core.

Really? I haven't seen much discussion since I posted what I believe
is the set of alternatives that we need to choose from. I saw quite a
few different opinions expressed, almost all in different terms (which
is why I posted what I did), but I'm not sure I saw a consensus
emerge.

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> musachy
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lukasz Lenart
>  wrote:
>> 2009/12/28 Paul Benedict :
>>> My fault for not being clear. I was intending to say XWork should be a
>>> "child module" (in the Maven sense) so it's actually part of Struts2
>>> build and versioning process.
>>
>> Any news? I would like to start some refactoring in Xwork and it will
>> be nice to know where we are ;-)
>>
>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-06 Thread Musachy Barroso
I think the agreement is to move it under the struts trunk and make it
a maven module, like core.

musachy

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Lukasz Lenart
 wrote:
> 2009/12/28 Paul Benedict :
>> My fault for not being clear. I was intending to say XWork should be a
>> "child module" (in the Maven sense) so it's actually part of Struts2
>> build and versioning process.
>
> Any news? I would like to start some refactoring in Xwork and it will
> be nice to know where we are ;-)
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2010-01-05 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2009/12/28 Paul Benedict :
> My fault for not being clear. I was intending to say XWork should be a
> "child module" (in the Maven sense) so it's actually part of Struts2
> build and versioning process.

Any news? I would like to start some refactoring in Xwork and it will
be nice to know where we are ;-)


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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-29 Thread Rene Gielen
Great News! Thanks Martin

Happy Holidays,
René

Martin Cooper schrieb:
> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
> XWork tree is here:
> 
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/
> 
> I have *not* added it to 'current' at this point. I'll leave that to
> whoever wants to integrate it further.
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Benedict
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
>> Having XWork as a separate module is actually preferred, but only
>> because it's a better design decision. It will create a clear
>> separation of concerns within the code base. Now with that said, XWork
>> should be a *child* module of Struts -- not a separate release.
>>

My fault for not being clear. I was intending to say XWork should be a
"child module" (in the Maven sense) so it's actually part of Struts2
build and versioning process.

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RE: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Jason Pyeron
 

> -Original Message-
> From: Martin Cooper
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 15:10
> To: Struts Developers List
> Subject: Re: XWork has landed!
> 
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Wes Wannemacher 
>  wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Paul Benedict 
>  wrote:
> >> Having XWork as a separate module is actually preferred, but only 
> >> because it's a better design decision. It will create a clear 

> 
> As I see it, we have a set of choices to make
> 
> 1) (a) move, (b) copy, (c) create an 'external' reference for
> 2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other 
> subset of XWork
> 3) (a) to a peer of 'struts2', (b) to somewhere within 
> 'struts2', (c) to somewhere else
> 
> I believe 1c + 2a + 3a = what we have today except that it's 
> one checkout instead of two. With that option, nothing about 
> the build or the build documentation changes, AFAICT. Is that 
> what we want? I don't know, I'm just suggesting that it's a 
> low-cost way of moving forward now that the code is in our repo.
> 
> I don't have a particular bias in regard to how we go about 
> this, beyond some source control best practices. I just think 
> we need to make sure we're all on the same page about where 
> we want to end up.
> 

I think it would be best to have in the same source control repository, but keep
it as separate as possible.

We use the following tree here:


/repoPerProjectGroup
./trunk
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
>> Having XWork as a separate module is actually preferred, but only
>> because it's a better design decision. It will create a clear
>> separation of concerns within the code base. Now with that said, XWork
>> should be a *child* module of Struts -- not a separate release.
>>
>> Paul
>
> When you (and Martin) are indicating a "child" of Struts, I assume you
> mean for it to be a child outside of Struts2. I am a team player and
> I'm willing to set it up, whatever the consensus, but I would really
> prefer for it to be a child of Struts2. I understand the implications
> of supporting it, etc. But, the biggest gripe (and *my* motivation for
> voting to move it over) is that we often wait to release Struts2
> because we need a release of XWork. Not to knock Rainer, but sometimes
> this process takes a while. If it is a part of the Struts2 umbrella,
> then the release process outlined in the wiki will still apply, but
> everything (including xwork artifacts) will go out at once. Plus, one
> of my tasks for Struts 2.2 is to take advantage of maven's
> dependencyManagement and pluginManagement. We could probably work that
> into the struts-master, but I hate to push changes to Struts 1, since
> I don't use it much.
>
> I would just like to balance making our lives easier against other
> factors. In the end, if we make managing this beast easier we can move
> on things faster. I know that "fast" isn't necessarily a goal, but I'd
> still like to try to get to KISS so that potential patch-makers aren't
> so intimidated by our code and build process.

Where XWork lands up in the Struts repo, and how it gets built, have
zero bearing on how it gets released (except if we see ourselves
releasing it independently, which I did not think was the case).

As I see it, we have a set of choices to make

1) (a) move, (b) copy, (c) create an 'external' reference for
2) (a) all of XWork, (b) just the XWork core, (c) some other subset of XWork
3) (a) to a peer of 'struts2', (b) to somewhere within 'struts2', (c)
to somewhere else

I believe 1c + 2a + 3a = what we have today except that it's one
checkout instead of two. With that option, nothing about the build or
the build documentation changes, AFAICT. Is that what we want? I don't
know, I'm just suggesting that it's a low-cost way of moving forward
now that the code is in our repo.

I don't have a particular bias in regard to how we go about this,
beyond some source control best practices. I just think we need to
make sure we're all on the same page about where we want to end up.

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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Wes Wannemacher
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
> Having XWork as a separate module is actually preferred, but only
> because it's a better design decision. It will create a clear
> separation of concerns within the code base. Now with that said, XWork
> should be a *child* module of Struts -- not a separate release.
>
> Paul

When you (and Martin) are indicating a "child" of Struts, I assume you
mean for it to be a child outside of Struts2. I am a team player and
I'm willing to set it up, whatever the consensus, but I would really
prefer for it to be a child of Struts2. I understand the implications
of supporting it, etc. But, the biggest gripe (and *my* motivation for
voting to move it over) is that we often wait to release Struts2
because we need a release of XWork. Not to knock Rainer, but sometimes
this process takes a while. If it is a part of the Struts2 umbrella,
then the release process outlined in the wiki will still apply, but
everything (including xwork artifacts) will go out at once. Plus, one
of my tasks for Struts 2.2 is to take advantage of maven's
dependencyManagement and pluginManagement. We could probably work that
into the struts-master, but I hate to push changes to Struts 1, since
I don't use it much.

I would just like to balance making our lives easier against other
factors. In the end, if we make managing this beast easier we can move
on things faster. I know that "fast" isn't necessarily a goal, but I'd
still like to try to get to KISS so that potential patch-makers aren't
so intimidated by our code and build process.

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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Paul Benedict
Having XWork as a separate module is actually preferred, but only
because it's a better design decision. It will create a clear
separation of concerns within the code base. Now with that said, XWork
should be a *child* module of Struts -- not a separate release.

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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Dale Newfield

I thought we had reached consensus on this back in August:
http://old.nabble.com/Re%3A-Let%27s-kill-xwork-%28was-Re%3A-2.1.8-release-%29-p24966742.html

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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Musachy Barroso
I am ok with "moving" it to under struts as a module, to make it part
of the release, so we don't have to release it (and vote!) as a
separate artifact.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
>> If no one objects, i can take a stab at taking care of this tonight...
>
> I guess I sort of object, unless I'm the only one without a full and
> clear picture of the fate of this new code base that we own. I think
> we need to make sure we're all on the same page before we start making
> changes.
>
>> I haven't looked much at Martin's check-in, but we only need to port
>> the xwork-core artifact... So, my plan would be to copy the source to
>> the struts2 folder as a first-class sub-project (adding it to the
>> modules section of the struts2 parent pom). Then, if that build works
>> out, the next check-ins can be renaming / refactoring of classes, etc.
>> But, if xwork-core is placed in the struts2 folder, alongside
>> struts2-core, struts2-plugins, etc., then, if nothing else, it will
>> make releasing easier. I'd imagine that refactoring class and package
>> names will be a bit troublesome. Although the IDE can handle most of
>> it for us, the trick isn't the easy stuff, the trick is finding the
>> classes that are no longer necessary and/or duplicated between
>> codebases.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> What I checked in is the entire XWork repo, since XWork is now our
> responsibility. That is, we don't have a copy of XWork that we're
> maintaining, we own XWork now. We have adopted it, lock, stock and
> barrel. If people need enhancements to XWork, they will come to us
> from now on. (What we do with such requests is something we should
> discuss at some point in the near future.)
>
> I was envisaging that we would add XWork to the 'current' external in
> such a way that it would look exactly the same as it does today when
> someone checks it out as a peer of the 'struts2' folder. I take it
> this is not what you have in mind?
>
> I have to say that 'copy' is not a word I like to see in reference to
> source control. ;-) It implies a forking of the code base that we
> would need to be very sure about. Is that actually what you mean?
>
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>>
>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>>> Are we going to rename the maven artifact names and package names for 2.2?
>>>
>>> musachy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Paul Benedict  
 wrote:
> I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
> it can be refactored appropriately.

 I'm not sure I see a need to do that, given that we can create a tag
 or branch from a specific revision at any time. However, if you feel
 the need, you're welcome to do that.

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> Paul
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lukasz Lenart
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>> 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
>>> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
>>> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
>>> XWork tree is here:
>>
>> Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!
>>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Martin Cooper
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Wes Wannemacher  wrote:
> If no one objects, i can take a stab at taking care of this tonight...

I guess I sort of object, unless I'm the only one without a full and
clear picture of the fate of this new code base that we own. I think
we need to make sure we're all on the same page before we start making
changes.

> I haven't looked much at Martin's check-in, but we only need to port
> the xwork-core artifact... So, my plan would be to copy the source to
> the struts2 folder as a first-class sub-project (adding it to the
> modules section of the struts2 parent pom). Then, if that build works
> out, the next check-ins can be renaming / refactoring of classes, etc.
> But, if xwork-core is placed in the struts2 folder, alongside
> struts2-core, struts2-plugins, etc., then, if nothing else, it will
> make releasing easier. I'd imagine that refactoring class and package
> names will be a bit troublesome. Although the IDE can handle most of
> it for us, the trick isn't the easy stuff, the trick is finding the
> classes that are no longer necessary and/or duplicated between
> codebases.
>
> Thoughts?

What I checked in is the entire XWork repo, since XWork is now our
responsibility. That is, we don't have a copy of XWork that we're
maintaining, we own XWork now. We have adopted it, lock, stock and
barrel. If people need enhancements to XWork, they will come to us
from now on. (What we do with such requests is something we should
discuss at some point in the near future.)

I was envisaging that we would add XWork to the 'current' external in
such a way that it would look exactly the same as it does today when
someone checks it out as a peer of the 'struts2' folder. I take it
this is not what you have in mind?

I have to say that 'copy' is not a word I like to see in reference to
source control. ;-) It implies a forking of the code base that we
would need to be very sure about. Is that actually what you mean?

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>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
>> Are we going to rename the maven artifact names and package names for 2.2?
>>
>> musachy
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Paul Benedict  
>>> wrote:
 I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
 it can be refactored appropriately.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I see a need to do that, given that we can create a tag
>>> or branch from a specific revision at any time. However, if you feel
>>> the need, you're welcome to do that.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Martin Cooper
>>>
>>>
 Paul

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  wrote:
> 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
>> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
>> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
>> XWork tree is here:
>
> Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!
>
>
> Regards
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Wes Wannemacher
If no one objects, i can take a stab at taking care of this tonight...

I haven't looked much at Martin's check-in, but we only need to port
the xwork-core artifact... So, my plan would be to copy the source to
the struts2 folder as a first-class sub-project (adding it to the
modules section of the struts2 parent pom). Then, if that build works
out, the next check-ins can be renaming / refactoring of classes, etc.
But, if xwork-core is placed in the struts2 folder, alongside
struts2-core, struts2-plugins, etc., then, if nothing else, it will
make releasing easier. I'd imagine that refactoring class and package
names will be a bit troublesome. Although the IDE can handle most of
it for us, the trick isn't the easy stuff, the trick is finding the
classes that are no longer necessary and/or duplicated between
codebases.

Thoughts?

-Wes

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Musachy Barroso  wrote:
> Are we going to rename the maven artifact names and package names for 2.2?
>
> musachy
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
>>> I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
>>> it can be refactored appropriately.
>>
>> I'm not sure I see a need to do that, given that we can create a tag
>> or branch from a specific revision at any time. However, if you feel
>> the need, you're welcome to do that.
>>
>> --
>> Martin Cooper
>>
>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lukasz Lenart
>>>  wrote:
 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
> XWork tree is here:

 Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!


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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-28 Thread Musachy Barroso
Are we going to rename the maven artifact names and package names for 2.2?

musachy

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
>> I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
>> it can be refactored appropriately.
>
> I'm not sure I see a need to do that, given that we can create a tag
> or branch from a specific revision at any time. However, if you feel
> the need, you're welcome to do that.
>
> --
> Martin Cooper
>
>
>> Paul
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lukasz Lenart
>>  wrote:
>>> 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
 As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
 XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
 XWork tree is here:
>>>
>>> Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-27 Thread Martin Cooper
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Paul Benedict  wrote:
> I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
> it can be refactored appropriately.

I'm not sure I see a need to do that, given that we can create a tag
or branch from a specific revision at any time. However, if you feel
the need, you're welcome to do that.

--
Martin Cooper


> Paul
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lukasz Lenart
>  wrote:
>> 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
>>> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
>>> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
>>> XWork tree is here:
>>
>> Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!
>>
>>
>> Regards
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-27 Thread Paul Benedict
I recommend we immediately SVN tag or branch the initial check in so
it can be refactored appropriately.

Paul

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lukasz Lenart
 wrote:
> 2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
>> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
>> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
>> XWork tree is here:
>
> Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!
>
>
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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-27 Thread Lukasz Lenart
2009/12/27 Martin Cooper :
> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
> XWork tree is here:

Hurra!!! Thanks a lot!


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Re: XWork has landed!

2009-12-27 Thread Musachy Barroso
woot! thanks Martin and Rene for getting this done.

musachy

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Martin Cooper  wrote:
> As many of you have no doubt noticed already, I've checked in the
> XWork code base, and added the Apache License 2.0 headers. The new
> XWork tree is here:
>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/struts/xwork/
>
> I have *not* added it to 'current' at this point. I'll leave that to
> whoever wants to integrate it further.
>
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