Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
(for the tl;dr folks - nothing to see here, move along) On Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:28:03 PM Uriel wrote: > There is no justification whatsoever for transparent terminals. > From a purely sociological/psychological standpoint, I can't help but be fascinated with this sort of reasoning. I'm honestly curious why one would take on the belief that something such as transparency of a software terminal needs any further justification beyond curiosity and/or personal preference - aesthetic or functional or otherwise. How in the world does Maciej's local use of transparency affect Uriel? Why is Uriel so concerned with what Maciej runs on his personal property? Why has Kurt decided that it's important to try and save 4LOC worth's of a patch and Xkb's worth's of memory on Maciej's personal pc? Why is Kurt apparently loosing sleep over the eyestrain that may or may not occur from Maciej's use of a transparent terminal? For someone who claims to not care about what other people think, he sure does seem to care about how other people choose to interact with their equipment. The whole thing is absolutely bizarre to me. I could see getting into a heated debate to the point of antipathy were Maciej lobbying to encroach his transparency desires onto Kurt's and Uriel's software; but there is absolutely _zero_ possibility of that happening - there's no threat whatsoever; why so obstinate and reactionary concerning other peoples' software interface? (for the record, I don't like transparency in my terminals - but I only knew that after I tried it for myself) Now entering purely philosophical mode, continue at your own risk. Tolstoy stated it well: Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself. ... and Ghandi: _Be_ the change you want to see in the world. Is the suckless movement a free peoples' anarchy, or is it some sort of collective nanny-state? (purely hypothetical, and definitely stretching into non-technical territory; but I hope at least the basic gist of the point is not thrown out with the bath water) So like I said, from a purely social perspective, I find this whole thread to be rather mysterious and quite fascinating. I've seen this sort of thing before, it's really weird. Uriel or Kurt - care to explain why you care so deeply about other peoples' software habits? And do you really feel that it's like your duty or function or purpose to rid the world of... transparent terminals or something?
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 05.05.2011 22:04, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? > Only sane argument so far. Anyway, go on list, i have enough Popcorn for the show :P greets stefan mark
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
This thread is no longer fun. Take this crap offlist.
Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Eitan Goldshtrom wrote: > Hi Everyone, > So I started using wmii a couple months ago. It was the first time I wasn't > using GNOME and it's default stuff and I did so because a friend recommended > wmii to me. So now I want to know what you all think. Why are dwm and wmii > better than other tiling WMs? Or not? And what are your opinions of dwm vs > wmii? If you are capable of independent thought, what about you actually try the different window managers and make up your own mind? Or do you always need somebody else to tell you what to do? You already quit GNOME, it is all downhill from there. uriel
Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Eitan Goldshtrom wrote: > Hi Everyone, I suggest you start by not sending HTML email to mailing lists. Thank you uriel P.S.: Can we please get a filter that bounces all HTML-containing emails with a message instructing people to learn to use their email client?
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
After 53 messages in this thread, gmail just flagged it as spam. Would that be a feature? ;) Jase On 6 May 2011 06:29, "Uriel" wrote: On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, wrote: >> People who want transparent termin... There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at this lists archives. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:04 AM, Al Gest wrote: > On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them >> what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of >> suckless is basically sound. > > Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments > and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and > understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person > who religiously follows the preaching of some overcompensating > jackass? Why don't you do mankind a favour and go experiment with a chainsaw and your dick. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 1:17 AM, wrote: >> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. > > I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion? There is plenty of empirical evidence to back this up, just look at this lists archives. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:48 AM, errno wrote: > I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements > about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal > emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. I hate hardware-emulation-terminals as much as anyone else in this filthy planet, but there are *real* practical reasons to use them. There is no justification whatsoever for transparent terminals. uriel
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On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:17 AM, Anders Andersson wrote: > I'd also like to compare that kind of retardness to people that have > lights *inside* their computer, complete with a window on the side of > the tower. Totally useless, wasting power, pollutes the vision by > shining coloured light where there should be none, and just being a > sign of bad taste. Heck, there are cooling fans with LEDs in them. They are not called *ricers* for nothing, they are the same people that think it is cool to run Gentoo (or Arch, or whatever) because of all the piles of text they don't understand that scroll by their terminal, and use transparent terminals so they can jerk off to their lame ass desktop wallpapers all day long. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Al Gest wrote: >> I'm not interested in how you think I come across. Fortunately, >> idiots like you don't control my speech. > > And yet you are clearly perturbed by it. It is disturbing that there are human beings inept and retarded enough to think transparent terminals are somehow not a completely idiotic idea. Please forgive us for displaying a minimal amount of empathy of the human race. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 4:20 AM, wrote: >> Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power >> required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application >> harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less >> portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is >> (arguably) aesthetic. This, in short, is a completely braindead idea >> of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner >> of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten >> entirely what computers do and what terminals are > > So... Houses simply shelter us from weather. Automobiles simply transport > us from point A to point B. Should we only live is sod huts? Should we > only drive wooden go-carts? Of course, anything else is just a waste of > resources, and computers are merely text processors. Do you read books with semi-transparent pages? Or do you dip the book in acid before reading it? No, wait, you clearly *drink* the bucket of acid when you wake up in the morning. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 6 May 2011 05:06, Kurt H Maier wrote: > It's also irrelevant, because nobody is 'experiementing' > here. There are other routes for 'experimentation.' Let me direct your attention to the original poster. > I'm not interested in how you think I come across. Fortunately, > idiots like you don't control my speech. And yet you are clearly perturbed by it.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Al Gest wrote: > It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and > answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. No, you tremendous ass. The question was framed to insult me if I'd answered it. It's also irrelevant, because nobody is 'experiementing' here. There are other routes for 'experimentation.' > Indeed you have, which I find quite ironic. I was responding to the > specific e-mail where you implied that providing an explanation would > be redundant (before of course endeavoring to provide one anyway). My > question was more in the general sense, so you don't always come > across like an angry nerd. I'm not interested in how you think I come across. Fortunately, idiots like you don't control my speech. -- # Kurt H Maier
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On 6 May 2011 04:49, Kurt H Maier wrote: > The question did not warrant more. It clearly did, the problem is the question was fairly loaded, and answering the question honestly would have contradicted your position. >> That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. >> Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very >> list. You seem perfectly happy to provide redundant vitriol, so why >> not provide the allegedly redundant 'why' as well? > > I already have. In this thread. Try to keep up. Indeed you have, which I find quite ironic. I was responding to the specific e-mail where you implied that providing an explanation would be redundant (before of course endeavoring to provide one anyway). My question was more in the general sense, so you don't always come across like an angry nerd.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Al Gest wrote: > Evasive answer. The question did not warrant more. > That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. > Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very > list. You seem perfectly happy to provide redundant vitriol, so why > not provide the allegedly redundant 'why' as well? I already have. In this thread. Try to keep up. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 6 May 2011 02:46, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: >> Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments >> and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and >> understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person >> who religiously follows the preaching of some overcompensating >> jackass? > > Specious question. > Evasive answer. > "Why" has been explained many times in the past on this very list. That doesn't provide any substance or merit to your belligerence. Vitriol has also been seethed many times in the past on this very list. You seem perfectly happy to provide redundant vitriol, so why not provide the allegedly redundant 'why' as well?
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:39 PM, wrote: > "I am an intergalactic species from the planet . > Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my ridiculious banter here>" If you're too stupid to use google to verify my credentials -- well, I can't say I'm surprised. > See, I can play the "I do this" game on the internet too. Isn't it nice > knowing you'll never have to back that up? I don't have to, since it's so easily verifiable. > I don't believe you do any such thing, to be honest. Your words prove > you're too narrow-minded. And it's sad how you have fall back on grammar > as your only defense. Do you really expect anyone to believe you have > never mis-typed anything? Moron. I expect people to believe that messages I send to a public list receive at least a modicum of proofreading, as opposed to furious thrashing on a keyboard. I understand that you're angry and offended because I insulted some stupid ideas you have. That's no excuse for ranting. In addition, grammar is hardly 'my only defense.' In fact, those corrections were a form of offense. If you insist on your ridiculous car/house analogy, you're probably the sort of person who puts turbochargers on Civics and crystal chandeliers in camping tents. Transparent terminals exist. If you want transparent terminals, you know where to find them. There's no reason to shit up a utilitarian program with your stupid garbage. I know that idea (among many, many others) is hard for you to grasp. > This string is /dev/null-ed. I can't handle this person's stupidity anymore. You're a liar; squirrelmail has no such feature. The most you can promise is sieve filtering. Furthermore, you don't really seem secure enough to actually ignore messages that might contest your idiotic decisions. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:48 PM, errno wrote: > Maybe that sounds like limp nonsense to you, but I think it's a fairly > decent human protocol to standardize on. Sorry, but the RFC was already ratified back in Eternal September. It's insults and swearing all the way down. > Why are people still emulating physical video terminal hardware devices > from the 70's, and why is that a good thing? Personal aesthetic opinions > wrt transparency seem like small shit in contrast to the bigger issue > surrounding the continued and woefully antiquated baggage of emulating > a freaking DEC VT102 on our personal computers. I agree. I don't think a serial console is really the goal. In st's specific case it is, but the whole idea was to get rid of shit that e.g. xterm and rxvt do -- emulate a wide range of outmoded crap. Anselm specified reasonable xterm support because the reality is that a ton of stuff assumes such compatibility, and we don't have suckless replacements for everything ... yet. Transparency is a stupid, stupid waste of time, and that's part of the reason I hate it. st barely works, and already the ricer crowd has a massive erection at the thought of fucking it up. > I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements > about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal > emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. It would be cooler than whining about transparency. 9term is a step in the right direction, but it still dumps stderr and stdout into the same buffer, which is retarded, and it has many other problems, most of which stem from an assumption that the rest of plan 9's interface isn't complete crap. Which is an invalid assumption. > Everyone has their reasons for using and/or preferring > whatever it is they're using. True, stipulating that those reasons are usually stupid. > And it certainly doesn't hurt to try things out to form one's own opinions > about > any given software interface versus being insulted or ridiculed for exploring > -- in fact such behavior ought to be encouraged rather than ridiculed. Sure, uriel encouraged it. There are *tons* of transparent terminals out there. But that's not enough for these assholes. I don't know if they want the suckless 'brand' or what, but it's completely asinine to gibber about patching such shit into st when it clearly exists, and they clearly want it because they've clearly used that functionality in other software. Why the hell port it to a project whose stated goal is minimizing bullshit? The answer is: they're morons. > For whatever it's worth to you, no hard feelings. None at all. This is what the internet is for. Some people incorrectly assume otherwise, but I'm not one of them. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 07:28:56 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno wrote: > > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy > > it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over > > the internet. > > > > It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt > > his feelings. I expected as much though. What a social coward. > > Sorry, trolling services are placed into 'maintenance mode' during > periods of commuting, having dinner, hanging out with my family, and > sleeping. If you feel your service level agreement has been violated, > please submit a ticket with our support team and we'll review your > case. > Nah, man - the outfit of a troll just doesn't suit me; in fact it left me feeling kinda smelly. Enjoy your family time - that's the kind of thing everyone can use more of. Peace
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:46:00 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is > (arguably) aesthetic. Quoted for its value in bringing well-intended exchange of ideas back to the table. Let's try to make not only our own personal software suckless, but also our communication amongst fellow list-members and explorers. Maybe that sounds like limp nonsense to you, but I think it's a fairly decent human protocol to standardize on. > This, in short, is a completely braindead idea > of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner > of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten > entirely what computers do and what terminals are > Why are people still emulating physical video terminal hardware devices from the 70's, and why is that a good thing? Personal aesthetic opinions wrt transparency seem like small shit in contrast to the bigger issue surrounding the continued and woefully antiquated baggage of emulating a freaking DEC VT102 on our personal computers. I could of course make some really opinionated and abrasive statements about people like you who choose to continue to use hardware terminal emulators in lieu of, say, 9term - but that'd be uncool. Everyone has their reasons for using and/or preferring whatever it is they're using. And it certainly doesn't hurt to try things out to form one's own opinions about any given software interface versus being insulted or ridiculed for exploring -- in fact such behavior ought to be encouraged rather than ridiculed. For whatever it's worth to you, no hard feelings. Cheers
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> I build large-scale compute clusters. I build massive storage networks. I am > familiar with the sorts of things people are doing with large amounts > of processing power. "I am an intergalactic species from the planet . Your super-clusters and storage clusters pale in comparison to my " See, I can play the "I do this" game on the internet too. Isn't it nice knowing you'll never have to back that up? I don't believe you do any such thing, to be honest. Your words prove you're too narrow-minded. And it's sad how you have fall back on grammar as your only defense. Do you really expect anyone to believe you have never mis-typed anything? Moron. This string is /dev/null-ed. I can't handle this person's stupidity anymore.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:20 PM, errno wrote: > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy > it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over > the internet. > > It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt > his feelings. I expected as much though. What a social coward. Sorry, trolling services are placed into 'maintenance mode' during periods of commuting, having dinner, hanging out with my family, and sleeping. If you feel your service level agreement has been violated, please submit a ticket with our support team and we'll review your case. -- # Kurt H Maier
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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:20 PM, wrote: > So... Houses simply shelter us from weather. Automobiles simply transport > us from point A to point B. Should we only live is sod huts? Should we > only drive wooden go-carts? Of course, anything else is just a waste of > resources, and computers are merely text processors. Fallacy: non sequitur. Terminals are not houses or cars. > This is the most feeble argument I've ever heard. Also, you have severly > contradicted yourself. Earlier you stated "You're begging the question of > whether a transparent terminal is > 'progress.' I submit that it isn't, and it's just stupid shit", but > according to your description above, they have actually helped in creating > the need for bigger, faster, more capable hardware. Maybe you don't > understand how this works. That's progress, you see? If you prefer, the > actual definition of progress: to grow or develop, as in complexity, > scope, or severity; advance This is a prime example of what I meant by "unable to learn." I build large-scale compute clusters. I build massive storage networks. I am familiar with the sorts of things people are doing with large amounts of processing power. Here is a hint: it has nothing to do with you being able to see your furry anime tentacle rape wallpaper through your ubuntu console. Not one single person in the history of time has sat down and said to himself, "I am going to design a faster processor, because I am a mouthbreathing shithead who wants a transparent terminal." Your stupid crap is not driving progress at all. Do not delude yourself otherwise. > Anything you say from here forward is, well, just you trying to validate > how smart you [think] you are. Anything you say from here forward is, well, the idiotic ramblings of a person who doesn't know how to think. > Keep your mouth shut and people won't know how dumb you are. Oops, lemme > rephrase that seeing as your semantically retareded: keep from responding > to email lists and people won't know how dumb you are. You misspelled "retarded." Also, you meant to use "you're" there. Good luck in constructing sentences in the future. Maybe a slightly higher terminal opacity will help. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
> Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is > (arguably) aesthetic. This, in short, is a completely braindead idea > of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner > of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten > entirely what computers do and what terminals are So... Houses simply shelter us from weather. Automobiles simply transport us from point A to point B. Should we only live is sod huts? Should we only drive wooden go-carts? Of course, anything else is just a waste of resources, and computers are merely text processors. This is the most feeble argument I've ever heard. Also, you have severly contradicted yourself. Earlier you stated "You're begging the question of whether a transparent terminal is 'progress.' I submit that it isn't, and it's just stupid shit", but according to your description above, they have actually helped in creating the need for bigger, faster, more capable hardware. Maybe you don't understand how this works. That's progress, you see? If you prefer, the actual definition of progress: to grow or develop, as in complexity, scope, or severity; advance Anything you say from here forward is, well, just you trying to validate how smart you [think] you are. Keep your mouth shut and people won't know how dumb you are. Oops, lemme rephrase that seeing as your semantically retareded: keep from responding to email lists and people won't know how dumb you are. You are a joke. And a dumb joke at that.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power > required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application > harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less > portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is > (arguably) aesthetic. This, in short, is a completely braindead idea > of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner > of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten > entirely what computers do and what terminals are I'd also like to compare that kind of retardness to people that have lights *inside* their computer, complete with a window on the side of the tower. Totally useless, wasting power, pollutes the vision by shining coloured light where there should be none, and just being a sign of bad taste. Heck, there are cooling fans with LEDs in them.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments > and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and > understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person > who religiously follows the preaching of some overcompensating > jackass? Specious question. > flawed, you're just throwing fallacious remarks with the apparent aim > of pressuring your opponent into submission. I'm not responsible for your inferences. > There are people in this world, like Theo de Raadt, who through their > passion and frustration come across as assholes to the people at odds > with them, but still provide a constructive argument, and then there > are angry nerds who just come across as complete jackasses. Then there are whiners. > How you say something doesn't alter the substance of what you're > saying, and it is the substance that provides merit. There is no > substance in calling somebody stupid without explaining the why. "Why" has been explained many times in the past on this very list. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 9:08 PM, errno wrote: > So what now? Do we exchange gps coordinates so we can duke it > out physically, you lizard brained, pencil-necked fuckwad. That'll > prove who's right about... transparent fucking terminals of all things. Didn't take you long to shift into internet tough guy mode, eh? > I got a better idea. How about if you just take your pigheaded antisocial > misgivings and shuv them up your gaping asshole along with that brainfull > of shit head of yours? I think you forgot to delete the word "brain"? Not sure what's going on here. I think maybe the idea is that you're angry because I don't like transparent terminals? Write back > Next time, remove the giant throbbing horse dick out of your mouth > before you open it. Though I know that might be difficult, what with > your insatiable appetite for cock. I don't normally open my mouth to type. Transparent terminals unnecessarily increase computational power required to render simple text. They make a fundamental application harder for a computer to run. This makes the core program less portable by raising the hardware requirements. The only gain is (arguably) aesthetic. This, in short, is a completely braindead idea of no practical value, unless you tend to use a computer in the manner of someone who has been hit very hard in the head and has forgotten entirely what computers do and what terminals are
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On Thursday, May 05, 2011 06:12:09 PM Jacob Todd wrote: > This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3 > No doubt - I'm actually having fun. It's amazing just how easy it is to be a total flagrant asshole to someone remotely over the internet. It's too bad Kurt can dish it out but can't take it; it appears I hurt his feelings. I expected as much though. What a social coward.
Re: [dev] Why dwm or wmii over xmonad, etc., or not?
Wmii is the best choice, hands down. The other WMs assume way too much. I like dwm second best. Here's the plusses: 1) Wmii does tagging /right/. Want to have your editor, browser and terminal in a "dev" tag? Done. Want to have your editor in your "debug" tag as well? No problem. You decide what tags to assign, and any window can belong to multiple tags. Other WMs with "tags" are just wannabes. They're nothing more than OSX "Spaces". An application should be able to belong to any tag, and be positioned differently depending on the tag. Wmii does that, and does it really easily. 2) Want to see only one window at a time? That's only a keystroke away. Want to control how your windows are created / laid out? No problem. Want to switch your windows to a different "layout"? That's configurable also. Want to forget about "layouts" altogether? Great idea. 2.5) Easy / sensible defaults. Sorry but Emacs-style "shortcut keys" are an oxymoron. Any window manager that uses Emacs "Key Chords" is immediately disqualified. With wmii you switch between windows and tags with 2 keystrokes max. It's a no-brainer. 3) Extremely configurable. Want to write your config in bash? No problem. Want to write it in Ruby, no problem, want Python? that's there too. I'm sure you could write your config files in the language du jour like Lua if you're so inclined. I use Suraj's Rumai and it rules. I have tons of stuff configured, like "switch to the previous tag", and "show me the other tags where this app also lives" -- this is very handy when I want to stay in my text editor but see my console or tests instead of the application / browser. Then I just switch back to "dev" mode and start coding again 'cause the focus is still in my text editor. 4) Wmii has the most sensible defaults, and gives you a great setup out of the box. The other WMs like Awesome, etc are way overdone with regard to the 1000s of layouts you start with that nobody in their right mind would use. In addition, they very rarely allow you to tag windows w/multiple tags. Other tiling window managers SUCK!!! Here's wmii's minuses; 0) On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Jacob Todd wrote: > I'm not sure if it's my phone, but that font looks like braille. > > On Apr 22, 2011 3:51 PM, "Suraj Kurapati" wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Tom Kazimiers >> wrote: (screenshot: http://ompldr.org/vODNuag) >>> >>> You seem to use a nice (anti aliased) font. Out of curiosity: Can >>> you please tell me what it is? Thanks. >> >> The font is Tamsyn at 12pt/8x17r (I use 11pt/8x15r now, however): >> http://www.fial.com/~scott/tamsyn-font/ >> >> More information about that screenshot can be found here: >> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=912802#p912802 >> >> Cheers. >> >
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This is the best discussion that has been had here in a while. :3
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 05:52:53 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno wrote: > > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just > > substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent > > of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of > > reasoned discourse is indicative only of your own lacking intellect. > > Are you employing whining and ad hominem to accuse me of whining and > ad hominem? That's great. You're great. > > > It's understood that there's always active assholes in every > > mailing-list; way to carry on and perpetuate that tradition! Be proud > > and justified. > > Are you upset? You sound upset. Is your mother a transparent > terminal window? If she is, tell her I said she's a stupid waste of > computational resources, and she makes it harder to read console > output. Let her know that she's a workaround trying to bandaid a > broken and ridiculous interface paradigm. Also she's fat. > > Also you're fat. > So what now? Do we exchange gps coordinates so we can duke it out physically, you lizard brained, pencil-necked fuckwad. That'll prove who's right about... transparent fucking terminals of all things. I got a better idea. How about if you just take your pigheaded antisocial misgivings and shuv them up your gaping asshole along with that brainfull of shit head of yours? Next time, remove the giant throbbing horse dick out of your mouth before you open it. Though I know that might be difficult, what with your insatiable appetite for cock. Yeah, now we're making progress - in the great world tragedy of our time... transparent motherfucking terminals.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 5 May 2011 21:12, Kurt H Maier wrote: > I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them > what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of > suckless is basically sound. Who's likely to behave more intelligently, a person who experiments and finds out what works and doesn't work for themselves and understands from experience why things work or don't work, or a person who religiously follows the preaching of some overcompensating jackass? There's nothing wrong with being passionate about a certain viewpoint, and there's nothing wrong with strongly criticizing people who are persistently stupid. Stupidity however is not an opinion, it is a behavior. What you're doing is attacking an opposing opinion with fruitless vitriol. You're not constructively criticizing an opinion, you're not providing any form of argument as to _why_ an opinion is flawed, you're just throwing fallacious remarks with the apparent aim of pressuring your opponent into submission. There are people in this world, like Theo de Raadt, who through their passion and frustration come across as assholes to the people at odds with them, but still provide a constructive argument, and then there are angry nerds who just come across as complete jackasses. How you say something doesn't alter the substance of what you're saying, and it is the substance that provides merit. There is no substance in calling somebody stupid without explaining the why.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 8:02 PM, errno wrote: > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just > substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent > of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of > reasoned discourse is indicative only of your own lacking intellect. Are you employing whining and ad hominem to accuse me of whining and ad hominem? That's great. You're great. > It's understood that there's always active assholes in every mailing-list; > way to carry on and perpetuate that tradition! Be proud and justified. Are you upset? You sound upset. Is your mother a transparent terminal window? If she is, tell her I said she's a stupid waste of computational resources, and she makes it harder to read console output. Let her know that she's a workaround trying to bandaid a broken and ridiculous interface paradigm. Also she's fat. Also you're fat. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thursday, May 05, 2011 03:05:03 PM Uriel wrote: > We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to > people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my > ideas were that I learned and now I know better. > I'd like to go out of my way to point out how fucking retarded your fucking lame-ass idea is to make it your personal crusade to give a rat's ass about other peoples' software interface. I'd also like to point out how fucking retarded it is to think that being a reactionary dipshit asshole is a justified means for your lousy dick-headed ends. Now you know better. And I've learned too! All I got to do is be a raging asshole, and people will listen to me! Who needs logical persuasion or helpful pointers when you got cuss words and insults! On Thursday, May 05, 2011 01:55:27 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > > Why do you even bother communicating? > > Because for every one of you there are ten who listen > Listen to _what_ exactly? There's nothing to listen too, it's just substanceless vitriol. Your assholeism is naught but the equivalent of a social blunt-instrument; applying a blunt instrument in lieu of reasoned discourse is indicative only of your own lacking intellect. It's understood that there's always active assholes in every mailing-list; way to carry on and perpetuate that tradition! Be proud and justified.
Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
Just fucking smell it!
Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
> Can we please add to the patch a feature that rm -rf /'s the disk of > anyone who runs it? How is this a good idea? > It is for purely *stupidity* reasons. What are you basing this on? Can you back up your statement?
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. I'm curious, how did you come to this conclusion?
Re: [dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:27 PM, ilf wrote: > On 05-05 22:04, Aurélien Aptel wrote: >> >> Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. >> It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: >> http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html > > Cool! > > Any chance of adding a patches/ menu to http://st.suckless.org/ similar to > http://dwm.suckless.org/patches/ and including this? Can we please add to the patch a feature that rm -rf /'s the disk of anyone who runs it? > To the haters: Do you think this sucks for usability or code size reasons? It is for purely *stupidity* reasons. > The patch only adds 4 LOC, so it can't be that. About the usability: well > that depends on the config. And while there may be truly horrible uses of > this around, I really like my setup: http://i.imgur.com/3UDbi.png Hey, some people are into coprophagia too, if that is what you like, more power to you. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? Yes, please exercise your freedom of choice and go fucking use Gnome. > While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of > transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and > counteract functionality, I also respect and support the right to > freedom of choice. Being told how I should use the software I use is > the exact opposite of the reason I turn to solutions such as suckless > software. > > You may hate transparency, and that is your opinion and choice, but > berating other people for wanting to experiment isn't a constructive > pastime. If people aren't free to experiment for themselves, how will > they ever truly learn what works well and what doesn't? Pointing out to people that what they want is stupid is a very valuable and important task. The reason software, and the world in general, sucks so incredibly much is because people are too damned respectful and afraid of offending others by attacking their retarded ideas. An attack on your ideas is not an attack on you, it is actually giving you a chance to learn from your mistakes. We all have had totally retarded ideas, it is only thanks in part to people that went out of their way to point out how retarded many of my ideas were that I learned and now I know better. uriel > If people were obnoxiously stating that suckless software should have > fancy fluff feature X implemented in vanilla then I could somewhat > understand the vitriol, but I really don't see the point of foaming at > the mouth and making yourselves look like complete jackasses every > time the word transparency is merely mentioned. > > On 5 May 2011 19:26, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: >>> This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total >>> sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How >>> fucking fallacious. >> >> *Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or whistle >> and should be supported natively. >> >>> If someone wants to patch their own software to do something they >>> consider beneficial, that's fine. There seem to be people on this >>> mailing list who basically want the world to remain as it was in the >>> 70s, progress be damned! You're ridiculous. >> >> You're begging the question of whether a transparent terminal is >> 'progress.' I submit that it isn't, and it's just stupid shit. >> >> >> >> -- >> # Kurt H Maier >> >> > >
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Robert Whitcomb wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: >> People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. > Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? > >> Because for every one of you there are ten who listen >> > And 10x more who groan at the immature, rude, and condescending remarks, and > are thus turned off from hearing anything constructive you may have to > share. Simply having strong emotions attached to your viewpoints doesn't > make them objectively correct. Fortunately, your utter inability to deal with things that aren't phrased the way you'd phrase them doesn't have anything to do with my 'correctness' either. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:08 PM, wrote: > and lough > > -flo Keep loughing, flo. Keep loughing. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, 5 May 2011 16:55:27 -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: Because for every one of you there are ten who listen and lough -flo
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen > > And 10x more who groan at the immature, rude, and condescending remarks, and are thus turned off from hearing anything constructive you may have to share. Simply having strong emotions attached to your viewpoints doesn't make them objectively correct.
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On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Andrew Hills wrote: > Why do you even bother communicating? Because for every one of you there are ten who listen -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. Why do you even bother communicating? --Andrew Hills
[dev] [st] transparency - Was: [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 05-05 22:04, Aurélien Aptel wrote: Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html Cool! Any chance of adding a patches/ menu to http://st.suckless.org/ similar to http://dwm.suckless.org/patches/ and including this? To the haters: Do you think this sucks for usability or code size reasons? The patch only adds 4 LOC, so it can't be that. About the usability: well that depends on the config. And while there may be truly horrible uses of this around, I really like my setup: http://i.imgur.com/3UDbi.png -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Al Gest wrote: > You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People > telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is > this suckmore or suckless? I'm not telling anyone what they're allowed to do. I'm telling them what they're doing is stupid shit, and that founding principle of suckless is basically sound. > While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of > transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and > counteract functionality, I also respect and support the right to > freedom of choice. Being told how I should use the software I use is > the exact opposite of the reason I turn to solutions such as suckless > software. That's a lot of words against an argument nobody made. > You may hate transparency, and that is your opinion and choice, but > berating other people for wanting to experiment isn't a constructive > pastime. If people aren't free to experiment for themselves, how will > they ever truly learn what works well and what doesn't? I don't really care if you think my pastimes are constructive. People who want transparent terminals are incapable of learning anyway. > If people were obnoxiously stating that suckless software should have > fancy fluff feature X implemented in vanilla then I could somewhat > understand the vitriol, but I really don't see the point of foaming at > the mouth and making yourselves look like complete jackasses every > time the word transparency is merely mentioned. Oh no, some guy on the internet takes mailing list discussions too seriously! Now he thinks I'm a jackass! I guess I'll cry myself to sleep on this huge pile of don't give a shit I've amassed. -- # Kurt H Maier
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> hilarious argument about transparency that somehow > derived to AIDS I love this mailing list. Leon Winter made a patch to support transparency in st few months ago [1]. It should'nt be hard to adapt it to tip if you want it. 1: http://lists.suckless.org/dev/1009/6046.html
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
You know what's great? freedom of choice. You know what sucks? People telling you what you're allowed to do with the software you use. Is this suckmore or suckless? While I have no love for transparency given that the majority of transparency features in desktop environments are superfluous and counteract functionality, I also respect and support the right to freedom of choice. Being told how I should use the software I use is the exact opposite of the reason I turn to solutions such as suckless software. You may hate transparency, and that is your opinion and choice, but berating other people for wanting to experiment isn't a constructive pastime. If people aren't free to experiment for themselves, how will they ever truly learn what works well and what doesn't? If people were obnoxiously stating that suckless software should have fancy fluff feature X implemented in vanilla then I could somewhat understand the vitriol, but I really don't see the point of foaming at the mouth and making yourselves look like complete jackasses every time the word transparency is merely mentioned. On 5 May 2011 19:26, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: >> This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total >> sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How >> fucking fallacious. > > *Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or whistle > and should be supported natively. > >> If someone wants to patch their own software to do something they >> consider beneficial, that's fine. There seem to be people on this >> mailing list who basically want the world to remain as it was in the >> 70s, progress be damned! You're ridiculous. > > You're begging the question of whether a transparent terminal is > 'progress.' I submit that it isn't, and it's just stupid shit. > > > > -- > # Kurt H Maier > >
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total > sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How > fucking fallacious. *Reality* kills people. Therefore it's clearly not a bell or whistle and should be supported natively. > If someone wants to patch their own software to do something they > consider beneficial, that's fine. There seem to be people on this > mailing list who basically want the world to remain as it was in the > 70s, progress be damned! You're ridiculous. You're begging the question of whether a transparent terminal is 'progress.' I submit that it isn't, and it's just stupid shit. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > Didn't expected such a comotion becaouse of this. Ignore Uriel; he does not post useful information. --Andrew Hills
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or > whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has > transparency, did you notice? Reality also has cancer and depression, so should programs randomly kill themselves? uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Bryan Bennett wrote: > Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a > different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. > st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor > solution anyway, as it makes both the text and the window > background equally transparent. Use one of the aforementioned > terminals and you'll get everything you want, from what I can tell. > > I just like xterm, but maybe will give some other one a shot. Dont blame me guys, I only wanted to try out transparent terminal. Didn't expected such a comotion becaouse of this. I see that you are stron enthusiasts of this ascetic philosophy. maciejjo
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
Ignoring the trolls posting here - the solution is obvious. Use a different terminal or apply the patch if it means that much to you. st won't get transparency (most likely), and transset is a poor solution anyway, as it makes both the text and the window background equally transparent. Use one of the aforementioned terminals and you'll get everything you want, from what I can tell.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
5 May 2011 17:50 Connor Lane Smith wrote: > On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Reality" > > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > > "real") also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our > > window managers too? > > This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total > sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How > fucking fallacious. While everything has it's place, transparency just makes text less legible in this context, why not just make text #FFDAB9 and background #FFDAB8 and throw some [1] with antialiasing on top of it, problem solved. [1] http://www.heyokadesign.com/news.asp?post=top-ten-worst-font-choices
[dev] Re: [ANN] sabotage 2011-04-30, a musl+busybox based distribution
Uriel writes: > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Christian Neukirchen > wrote: >> Uriel writes: >> >>> Please, replace gawk with a sane version of awk, like the one included >>> with 9base. > > The awk in 9base is a hacked up version of bwk's one-true-awk that > supports UTF-8. That is nice, but it's not the one-awk-that-can-build-gcc. I tried. -- Christian Neukirchenhttp://chneukirchen.org
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
> Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Reality" > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > "real") also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our > window managers too? Then we could put dwm in monocle mode and keep an > eye on layered AIDS warfare via transparency. i am from the government and i would like to fund this research.
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 5 May 2011 16:36, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Reality" > (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't > "real") also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our > window managers too? This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The comparison makes total sense, of course, because transparency clearly kills people. How fucking fallacious. If someone wants to patch their own software to do something they consider beneficial, that's fine. There seem to be people on this mailing list who basically want the world to remain as it was in the 70s, progress be damned! You're ridiculous. cls
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 5/5/11, Connor Lane Smith wrote: > Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode > transparent terminals would allow you to keep an eye on the output of > several, layered upon one another. This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. > Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or > whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has > transparency, did you notice? Never mind; THIS is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. "Reality" (putting aside the idiotic implication that my computer monitor isn't "real") also has AIDS and war. Maybe we should patch those into our window managers too? Then we could put dwm in monocle mode and keep an eye on layered AIDS warfare via transparency. -- # Kurt H Maier
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
Hey, On 5 May 2011 14:23, Uriel wrote: > > I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is > > this possible to acomplish within config.h file? > > Try instead getting a fucking life. Transparency does have some pragmatic benefit: in monocle mode transparent terminals would allow you to keep an eye on the output of several, layered upon one another. Besides, there's no reason for transparency to be considered a bell or whistle: alpha is just a fourth dimension alongside RGB. Reality has transparency, did you notice? cls
Re: [dev] [dwm] Patch for fullscreen mplayer
> Thanks for your patch. I applied it for testing purposes. If anyone > spots an issue, please let me know. > FYI: I tested it and it works great :) Also making a floating mplayer fullscreen, switch to a tag then go back and make mplayer restore from fullscreen works as expected now. Good work!
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Maciej Sobkowski wrote: > I want to add transparency to terminal windows using transset-df. Is > this possible to acomplish within config.h file? Try instead getting a fucking life. uriel
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
That's a feature. On May 5, 2011 3:39 AM, "ilf" wrote: > On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: >> Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? > > st lacks this. > > -- > ilf > > Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! > -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung
Re: [dev] Sup and dmc
On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 22:58:33 -0500, Hank D wrote: > [...] but I really want an email client that isn't total ass. You may find what you're looking for in notmuch [1]. Even if you do somehow come to the conclusion that it's total ass, the amount of ass would still be notmuch. Considerable less than mutt(ch), anyways. Peace -- Pieter [1] http://notmuchmail.org/
Re: [dev] [dwm] devilspie doesn't work
On 05-04 21:50, Bryan Bennett wrote: Why not just use the built in transparency of the terminal? st lacks this. -- ilf Über 80 Millionen Deutsche benutzen keine Konsole. Klick dich nicht weg! -- Eine Initiative des Bundesamtes für Tastaturbenutzung signature.asc Description: Digital signature
