XULRunner future and ownership

[Benjamin Smedberg]

The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's 
not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned 
products.


As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated 
XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work. 
In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to 
keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner 
of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even 
really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether 
there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping 
XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to 
XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate 
yourself or somebody else for this role.


If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to 
remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.


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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Fabrice Desré]

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:30:00 -0400, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:

> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on
> 14-August.

Two weeks during summer time seems a bit short. You may not get 
interested people that are vacationing.

 Fabrice

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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Gregory Szorc]

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Fabrice Desré  wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:30:00 -0400, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
>
> > If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> > remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on
> > 14-August.
>
> Two weeks during summer time seems a bit short. You may not get
> interested people that are vacationing.
>

The old code will still be there in version control. If an owner emerges
after 2 weeks, we can always revert the delete.
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Mike de Boer]

I’d like to volunteer.

Not much more to say, really :-)

Cheers,

Mike.

> On 29 Jul 2015, at 20:30, Benjamin Smedberg  wrote:
> 
> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's not 
> core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned products.
> 
> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated 
> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work. In 
> order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to keep it 
> building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner of the 
> XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even really to review 
> the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether there is an alternate 
> owner who is interested in the task of keeping XULRunner building and running 
> properly and reviewing patches to XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me 
> if you want to nominate yourself or somebody else for this role.
> 
> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to remove 
> the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
> 
> --BDS
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Benjamin Kerensa]

XULRunner is dead, Long live XULRunner!

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Benjamin Smedberg 
wrote:

> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's
> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned
> products.
>
> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work. In
> order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to keep it
> building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner of the
> XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even really to
> review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether there is an
> alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping XULRunner building
> and running properly and reviewing patches to XULRuner-specific code.
> Please contact me if you want to nominate yourself or somebody else for
> this role.
>
> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
>
> --BDS
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Eric Shepherd]

Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> I am looking to see whether there is an alternate owner who is
> interested in the task of keeping XULRunner building and running
> properly and reviewing patches to XULRuner-specific code. Please
> contact me if you want to nominate yourself or somebody else for this
> role. 
I should note also that the MDN staff can't put any time into helping
with XULRunner specific documentation anymore, so any documentation work
would have to be taken up by the person or people that pick up the project.

I would, however, be quite happy to spend some time helping whoever
takes on that work -- or whoever picks up writing work for it -- on
exactly how to contribute the needed material to MDN.

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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[reverendlinux]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 8:44:57 PM UTC-6, Eric Shepherd wrote:
> Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> > I am looking to see whether there is an alternate owner who is
> > interested in the task of keeping XULRunner building and running
> > properly and reviewing patches to XULRuner-specific code. Please
> > contact me if you want to nominate yourself or somebody else for this
> > role. 
> I should note also that the MDN staff can't put any time into helping
> with XULRunner specific documentation anymore, so any documentation work
> would have to be taken up by the person or people that pick up the project.
> 
> I would, however, be quite happy to spend some time helping whoever
> takes on that work -- or whoever picks up writing work for it -- on
> exactly how to contribute the needed material to MDN.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Eric Shepherd
> Senior Technical Writer
> Mozilla 
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> Twitter: http://twitter.com/sheppy
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Mike de Boer]

I’d like to finetune my earlier statement - after talking things over a bit 
with Benjamin - to say: I’d like to volunteer if there’s no one else moving 
forward to take this project on.

The reason is that I’m not currently working on or using XULRunner tech, so my 
level of engagement is low. I’m only really interested in a gecko bootstrap 
binary (called ‘xulrunner-stub’ at the moment) to continue to exist for my 
future projects.

If there’s someone who’s using XULRunner frequently for their projects, I’m 
sure she or he will be a much better fit! Please step forward. :-)

Cheers,

Mike.


> On 29 Jul 2015, at 23:46, Mike de Boer  wrote:
> 
> I’d like to volunteer.
> 
> Not much more to say, really :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mike.
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2015, at 20:30, Benjamin Smedberg  wrote:
>> 
>> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's not 
>> core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned products.
>> 
>> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated 
>> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work. In 
>> order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to keep it 
>> building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner of the 
>> XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even really to 
>> review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether there is an 
>> alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping XULRunner building 
>> and running properly and reviewing patches to XULRuner-specific code. Please 
>> contact me if you want to nominate yourself or somebody else for this role.
>> 
>> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to remove 
>> the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
>> 
>> --BDS
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Eric Shepherd]

> reverendli...@gmail.com 
> July 30, 2015 at 10:17 AM
>
> I'll volunteer to help out with documentation.
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> Benjamin Smedberg 
> July 29, 2015 at 2:30 PM
> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project.
> It's not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or
> planned products.
>
> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work.
> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to
> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal
> owner of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or
> even really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see
> whether there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of
> keeping XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches
> to XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate
> yourself or somebody else for this role.
>
> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on
> 14-August.
>
> --BDS
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Awesome! Hopefully you'll be able to have no serious trouble keeping up
the XULRunner docs. Please do have a look at our content and style
guide: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Contribute/Content

And if you or anyone else helping with XULRunner docs needs help getting
going with editing on MDN, our starter guide is here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Getting_started

Please feel free to ping me any time by email or on IRC if you'd like to
talk about it. I've been at this stuff for a long time so I may have
useful advice to offer if you need it.

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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[mrjoshuaesmith]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's 
> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned 
> products.
> 

I'm looking at creating a simple XUL app as a way of replacing Open Web Apps 
which just found their way onto the chopping block. My plan is to try to create 
a shim that will run firefox with the -a argument. Is this going to keep 
working, or is that going to break when XULRunner gets turned down?
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Devan Shah]

On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's 
> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned 
> products.
> 
> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated 
> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work. 
> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to 
> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner 
> of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even 
> really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether 
> there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping 
> XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to 
> XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate 
> yourself or somebody else for this role.
> 
> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to 
> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
> 
> --BDS

Hello 

Is the xulrunner SDK officially deprecated now. I see that the latest xulrunner 
version is xulrunner-41.0.2 would this be compatible wit Firefox 45. If not 
where can I get a version that is compatible with Firefox 45. I see that 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/nightly/latest-trunk/Deprecation_notice.txt
 points to: 

XULRunner SDKs can now be downloaded from 
   https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/

Theses are the nightly builds, but where can I get the release version for 
Firefox 45. Also does the SDK change from Firefox 45 to Firefox 45 ESR.

Thanks
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Dave Townsend]

I'm not sure why that page links to the nightly builds but the release
versions are here: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/

Note that Firefox 45 hasn't been released yet so the latest SDK is for
one of the beta versions.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
>> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's
>> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned
>> products.
>>
>> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
>> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work.
>> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to
>> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner
>> of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even
>> really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether
>> there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping
>> XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to
>> XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate
>> yourself or somebody else for this role.
>>
>> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
>> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
>>
>> --BDS
>
> Hello
>
> Is the xulrunner SDK officially deprecated now. I see that the latest 
> xulrunner version is xulrunner-41.0.2 would this be compatible wit Firefox 
> 45. If not where can I get a version that is compatible with Firefox 45. I 
> see that 
> http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/nightly/latest-trunk/Deprecation_notice.txt
>  points to:
>
> XULRunner SDKs can now be downloaded from
>https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
>
> Theses are the nightly builds, but where can I get the release version for 
> Firefox 45. Also does the SDK change from Firefox 45 to Firefox 45 ESR.
>
> Thanks
> Devan Shah
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Devan Shah]

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 10:43:44 AM UTC-5, Dave Townsend wrote:
> I'm not sure why that page links to the nightly builds but the release
> versions are here: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
> 
> Note that Firefox 45 hasn't been released yet so the latest SDK is for
> one of the beta versions.
> 
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> >> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's
> >> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned
> >> products.
> >>
> >> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
> >> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work.
> >> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to
> >> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner
> >> of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even
> >> really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether
> >> there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping
> >> XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to
> >> XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate
> >> yourself or somebody else for this role.
> >>
> >> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> >> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 14-August.
> >>
> >> --BDS
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > Is the xulrunner SDK officially deprecated now. I see that the latest 
> > xulrunner version is xulrunner-41.0.2 would this be compatible wit Firefox 
> > 45. If not where can I get a version that is compatible with Firefox 45. I 
> > see that 
> > http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/nightly/latest-trunk/Deprecation_notice.txt
> >  points to:
> >
> > XULRunner SDKs can now be downloaded from
> >https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
> >
> > Theses are the nightly builds, but where can I get the release version for 
> > Firefox 45. Also does the SDK change from Firefox 45 to Firefox 45 ESR.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Devan Shah
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So xulrunner SDK version 41.0.2 will not work with FF 45 right.
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Dave Townsend]

On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 10:43:44 AM UTC-5, Dave Townsend wrote:
>> I'm not sure why that page links to the nightly builds but the release
>> versions are here: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
>>
>> Note that Firefox 45 hasn't been released yet so the latest SDK is for
>> one of the beta versions.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
>> >> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's
>> >> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned
>> >> products.
>> >>
>> >> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
>> >> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work.
>> >> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to
>> >> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner
>> >> of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even
>> >> really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether
>> >> there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping
>> >> XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to
>> >> XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate
>> >> yourself or somebody else for this role.
>> >>
>> >> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
>> >> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 
>> >> 14-August.
>> >>
>> >> --BDS
>> >
>> > Hello
>> >
>> > Is the xulrunner SDK officially deprecated now. I see that the latest 
>> > xulrunner version is xulrunner-41.0.2 would this be compatible wit Firefox 
>> > 45. If not where can I get a version that is compatible with Firefox 45. I 
>> > see that 
>> > http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/nightly/latest-trunk/Deprecation_notice.txt
>> >  points to:
>> >
>> > XULRunner SDKs can now be downloaded from
>> >https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
>> >
>> > Theses are the nightly builds, but where can I get the release version for 
>> > Firefox 45. Also does the SDK change from Firefox 45 to Firefox 45 ESR.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Devan Shah
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> So xulrunner SDK version 41.0.2 will not work with FF 45 right.

Correct, you must use the matching version.
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Devan Shah]

On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 11:48:24 AM UTC-5, Dave Townsend wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 8:39 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 10, 2016 at 10:43:44 AM UTC-5, Dave Townsend wrote:
> >> I'm not sure why that page links to the nightly builds but the release
> >> versions are here: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/
> >>
> >> Note that Firefox 45 hasn't been released yet so the latest SDK is for
> >> one of the beta versions.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Devan Shah  wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2015 at 2:30:54 PM UTC-4, Benjamin Smedberg wrote:
> >> >> The Mozilla project no longer sees XULRunner as a priority project. It's
> >> >> not core to advancing the open web or any of our current or planned
> >> >> products.
> >> >>
> >> >> As Ben Hearsum noted a couple weeks ago, we are turning off automated
> >> >> XULRunner builds and so XULRunner will probably quickly cease to work.
> >> >> In order to keep XULRunner in the tree, we need an owner who wants to
> >> >> keep it building and running properly. Currently, I am the nominal owner
> >> >> of the XULRunner code, but I have no desire to do this work or even
> >> >> really to review the necessary patches. I am looking to see whether
> >> >> there is an alternate owner who is interested in the task of keeping
> >> >> XULRunner building and running properly and reviewing patches to
> >> >> XULRuner-specific code. Please contact me if you want to nominate
> >> >> yourself or somebody else for this role.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I do not find a suitable owner in the next two weeks, I intend to
> >> >> remove the XULRunner code from the mozilla-central repository on 
> >> >> 14-August.
> >> >>
> >> >> --BDS
> >> >
> >> > Hello
> >> >
> >> > Is the xulrunner SDK officially deprecated now. I see that the latest 
> >> > xulrunner version is xulrunner-41.0.2 would this be compatible wit 
> >> > Firefox 45. If not where can I get a version that is compatible with 
> >> > Firefox 45. I see that 
> >> > http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/xulrunner/nightly/latest-trunk/Deprecation_notice.txt
> >> >  points to:
> >> >
> >> > XULRunner SDKs can now be downloaded from
> >> >
> >> > https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla-central/
> >> >
> >> > Theses are the nightly builds, but where can I get the release version 
> >> > for Firefox 45. Also does the SDK change from Firefox 45 to Firefox 45 
> >> > ESR.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
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> > So xulrunner SDK version 41.0.2 will not work with FF 45 right.
> 
> Correct, you must use the matching version.

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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[M . Bauermeister]

Is building the runtime manually still an option? If so, how would I go about 
it? Are the relevant sources all merged into the Firefox repository?
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[Philip Chee]

On 22/02/2016 15:28, m.bauermeis...@sto.com wrote:
> Is building the runtime manually still an option? If so, how would I
> go about it? Are the relevant sources all merged into the Firefox
> repository?

Xulrunner has just been removed from the tree so your question it obsolete.

Phil

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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

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Hi,

For those who are still interested in XULRunner (especially the stub), I 
created a project to continue to build xulrunner-stub with Firefox SDK. 
Here is the link:

https://github.com/duanyao/xulrunner-stub .

I extracted xulrunner/stub/nsXULStub.cpp, xpcom/build/nsXPCOMPrivate.h , 
toolkit/xre/nsWindowsWMain.cpp and build them with Firefox SDK, and it seems
to work well. However, I'd like to ask Mozilla pepole: will this route 
keep feasible in the coming 2-3 years?


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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

[段垚]

Hi,

For those who are still interested in XULRunner, I created a project to 
maintain the source of xulrunner-stub, and build against Firefox SDK. 
Here is the link:

https://github.com/duanyao/xulrunner-stub

Currently only win32 is supported, and Firefox 47a2 is tested.

I'd like to ask Mozilla people: will this route work for the next 2 or 3 
years?


在 2016/2/22 15:28, m.bauermeis...@sto.com 写道:

Is building the runtime manually still an option? If so, how would I go about 
it? Are the relevant sources all merged into the Firefox repository?
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Re: XULRunner future and ownership

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Hi,

For those who are still interested in XULRunner, I created a project to 
maintain the source of xulrunner-stub, and build against Firefox SDK. 
Here is the link:

https://github.com/duanyao/xulrunner-stub

Currently only win32 is supported, and Firefox 47a2 is tested.

I'd like to ask Mozilla people: will this route work for next 2 or 3 years?

在 2016/2/22 15:28, m.bauermeis...@sto.com 写道:

Is building the runtime manually still an option? If so, how would I go about 
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