Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Per Bothner

On 7/9/23 22:20, Jens-Ulrik Petersen wrote:

Unfortunately there is no easy way to detect dark or light terminals, to my 
knowledge at least.


You can use the xterm OSC 11;? sequence to request the text background color.
Emacs uses this to select light or dark theming.
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 9:36 PM Marián Konček  wrote:

> I actually copy-paste the Debian prompt since Debian Jessie on my systems.
> Even though it uses blue-green colors, I can see it very well on both
> white and black background.
>

Okay


> I think it would be nicer if we played around with several options and
> have the user have a simple way of choosing.
>

They *can* set PROMPT_COLOR to change coloring immediately.
But it would be nice to have a configuration tool/UI some day.

> There are many variants, some using git info, some using exit codes and
> so...


Exit code is already handled in the current implementation.
I would like to make it more extensible in the future...

But I made a criteria that this simple MVP should not use PROMPT_COMMAND
nor should the default PS1 cause *any* external process to run by default.
So anyway this Change is not setting the bar very high, by design:
there are certainly lots of more powerful solutions around
like powerline or starship etc, and this Change is not competing with them.
:-)
The hope is that a simple conservative solution like this would be broadly
acceptable as a desktop default.

Thanks, Jens
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Re: F39 Change Proposal: Color Bash Prompt (System Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Jens-Ulrik Petersen
Thanks for the replies so far.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to detect dark or light terminals, to my
knowledge at least.
Green seems the most friendly color across different palettes and terminals.
Though these days modern terminals tend to default to dark
(most Fedora editions' default terminals are dark by default I think).

https://copr-dist-git.fedorainfracloud.org/cgit/petersen/bash-color-prompt/bash-color-prompt.git/tree/bash-color-prompt.sh
lists various examples of how users can customize the color: eg
PROMPT_COLOR='33' (for yellow/brown).
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Introducing the New QA Dashboard: Gain Insights into the Fedora QA Community

2023-07-09 Thread Sudhir Dharanendraiah
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 8:51 PM Demi Marie Obenour  wrote:
>
> On 7/9/23 19:08, Allan via devel wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 18:54:18 -0400
> > Demi Marie Obenour  wrote:
> >
> >> On 7/9/23 18:53, Allan via devel wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 06:59:11 +
> >>> Mattia Verga via devel  wrote:
> >>>
>  Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
> > On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> >> but the conversation about each change
> >> will take place on Fedora Discussion at
> >> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
> > It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to
> > other threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes
> > naturally to them.
> >
> > That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists
> > is a very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your
> > comments or bury them in another threads.
> >
>  Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree
>  with something?
> 
>  BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to
>  clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to
>  FESCO:
>  https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494
> >>>
> >>> How is that going to help anything, when some of us are using
> >>> browsers from Fedora repos, that just gets this answer:
> >>
> >> Which browser?
> > .
> > Seamonkey, Falkon maybe more...
>
> SeaMonkey and Falkon are based on outdated versions of Firefox and
> Chromium respectively.  Mozilla stopped issuing security advisories
> for SeaMonkey back in 2015, and QtWebEngine (used by Falkon) was a
> month or more behind upstream Chromium last I checked.

Please stop bringing this up. QtWebEngine is maintained by the Qt
Company, and we all know that security advisories aren't the be-all
end-all for maintenance.

SeaMonkey is maintained by its community. And community projects
rarely issue security advisories.



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[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing report

2023-07-09 Thread updates
The following builds have been pushed to Fedora EPEL 8 updates-testing

gnulib-0-47.20230709git.el8

Details about builds:



 gnulib-0-47.20230709git.el8 (FEDORA-EPEL-2023-7159543bbd)
 GNU Portability Library

Update Information:

* Sun Jul 09 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  -
0-47.20230709git - Update on 2023-07-09 - Fix can't build on aarch64
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874) - Fix can't build on epel8
(https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2227816)  * Thu Jul 06
2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 0-46.20230706git -
Update on 2023-07-06 - General clean-ups - Move built javaversion to new sub-
package - Drop built javaversion from i686

ChangeLog:

* Sun Jul  9 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 
0-47.20230709git
- Update on 2023-07-09
- Fix can't build on aarch64  
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874)
- Fix can't build on epel8 
(https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2227816)
* Thu Jul  6 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 
0-46.20230706git
- Update on 2023-07-06
- General clean-ups
- Move built javaversion to new sub-package
- Drop built javaversion from i686
* Thu Jan 19 2023 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-45.20220212git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Mass_Rebuild
* Thu Jul 21 2022 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-44.20220212git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_37_Mass_Rebuild
* Fri Feb 18 2022 Peter Lemenkov  - 0-43.20220212git
- Update (required for PSPP 1.4.1+, grub2, etc)
* Sat Feb  5 2022 Jiri Vanek  - 0-42.20200827git
- Rebuilt for java-17-openjdk as system jdk
* Thu Jan 20 2022 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-41.20200827git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_36_Mass_Rebuild
* Thu Jul 22 2021 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-40.20200827git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_35_Mass_Rebuild
* Tue May 25 2021 Florian Weimer  - 0-39.20200827git
- Rebuild with new binutils to fix ppc64le corruption (#1960730)
* Tue Jan 26 2021 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-38.20200827git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_34_Mass_Rebuild
* Wed Sep 16 2020 Peter Lemenkov  - 0-37.20200827git
- Fix FTBFS
* Wed Sep 16 2020 Peter Lemenkov  - 0-36.20200809git
- Update (required for PSPP 1.4.1+)
* Sat Aug  1 2020 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-35.20200107git
- Second attempt - Rebuilt for
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_33_Mass_Rebuild
* Mon Jul 27 2020 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-34.20200107git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_33_Mass_Rebuild
* Fri Jul 10 2020 Jiri Vanek  - 0-33.20200107git
- Rebuilt for JDK-11, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Java11
* Tue Jan 28 2020 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-32.20200107git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_32_Mass_Rebuild

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #2104044 - gnulib-0-44.20220212git.fc37 FTBFS: depends on removed 
i686 java-openjdk packages
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2104044
  [ 2 ] Bug #2114533 - gnulib: FTBFS in Fedora rawhide/f37: javac: command not 
found
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2114533
  [ 3 ] Bug #2183558 - largefile.m4 is will break with Autoconf 2.72 (2.73)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2183558
  [ 4 ] Bug #2220874 - A failed test against aarch64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874


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[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 9 updates-testing report

2023-07-09 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 9 Security updates need testing:
 Age  URL
   1  https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2023-6398dade97   
yt-dlp-2023.07.06-1.el9


The following builds have been pushed to Fedora EPEL 9 updates-testing

gnulib-0-47.20230709git.el9

Details about builds:



 gnulib-0-47.20230709git.el9 (FEDORA-EPEL-2023-0a9e760449)
 GNU Portability Library

Update Information:

* Sun Jul 09 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  -
0-47.20230709git - Update on 2023-07-09 - Fix can't build on aarch64
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874) - Fix can't build on epel8
(https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2227816)  * Thu Jul 06
2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 0-46.20230706git -
Update on 2023-07-06 - General clean-ups - Move built javaversion to new sub-
package - Drop built javaversion from i686     - Update on 2023-07-06 -
General clean-ups - Move built javaversion to new sub-package - Drop built
javaversion from i686

ChangeLog:

* Sun Jul  9 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 
0-47.20230709git
- Update on 2023-07-09
- Fix can't build on aarch64  
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874)
- Fix can't build on epel8 
(https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=2227816)
* Thu Jul  6 2023 Mosaab Alzoubi  - 
0-46.20230706git
- Update on 2023-07-06
- General clean-ups
- Move built javaversion to new sub-package
- Drop built javaversion from i686
* Thu Jan 19 2023 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-45.20220212git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_38_Mass_Rebuild
* Thu Jul 21 2022 Fedora Release Engineering  - 
0-44.20220212git
- Rebuilt for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_37_Mass_Rebuild

References:

  [ 1 ] Bug #2104044 - gnulib-0-44.20220212git.fc37 FTBFS: depends on removed 
i686 java-openjdk packages
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2104044
  [ 2 ] Bug #2114533 - gnulib: FTBFS in Fedora rawhide/f37: javac: command not 
found
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2114533
  [ 3 ] Bug #2183558 - largefile.m4 is will break with Autoconf 2.72 (2.73)
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2183558
  [ 4 ] Bug #2220874 - A failed test against aarch64
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220874


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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/9/23 19:08, Allan via devel wrote:
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 18:54:18 -0400
> Demi Marie Obenour  wrote:
> 
>> On 7/9/23 18:53, Allan via devel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 06:59:11 +
>>> Mattia Verga via devel  wrote:
>>>
 Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
> On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
>> but the conversation about each change
>> will take place on Fedora Discussion at
>> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
> It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to
> other threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes
> naturally to them.
>
> That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists
> is a very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your
> comments or bury them in another threads.
>
 Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree
 with something?

 BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to 
 clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to
 FESCO:
 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494
>>>
>>> How is that going to help anything, when some of us are using
>>> browsers from Fedora repos, that just gets this answer:
>>
>> Which browser?
> .
> Seamonkey, Falkon maybe more...

SeaMonkey and Falkon are based on outdated versions of Firefox and
Chromium respectively.  Mozilla stopped issuing security advisories
for SeaMonkey back in 2015, and QtWebEngine (used by Falkon) was a
month or more behind upstream Chromium last I checked.
-- 
Sincerely,
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Nader Nooryani
In hindsight, both of my comments were hastily posted to this discussion.   It 
wasn't very constructive and I apologize for this.

I do believe that this proposed change is being considered with the best 
intentions for both the user and Fedora.  Could we see an example of the 
text/telemetry that would be sent?  Would there be a notification to the user 
when/if this data is sent?   If not, would the user be able to view this on 
their current install in some sort of log?
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Allan via devel
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 18:54:18 -0400
Demi Marie Obenour  wrote:

> On 7/9/23 18:53, Allan via devel wrote:
> > On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 06:59:11 +
> > Mattia Verga via devel  wrote:
> > 
> >> Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
> >>> On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
>  but the conversation about each change
>  will take place on Fedora Discussion at
>  https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
> >>> It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to
> >>> other threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes
> >>> naturally to them.
> >>>
> >>> That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists
> >>> is a very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your
> >>> comments or bury them in another threads.
> >>>
> >> Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree
> >> with something?
> >>
> >> BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to 
> >> clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to
> >> FESCO:
> >> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494
> > 
> > How is that going to help anything, when some of us are using
> > browsers from Fedora repos, that just gets this answer:
> 
> Which browser?

Seamonkey, Falkon maybe more...

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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 7/9/23 18:53, Allan via devel wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 06:59:11 +
> Mattia Verga via devel  wrote:
> 
>> Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
>>> On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
 but the conversation about each change
 will take place on Fedora Discussion at
 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
>>> It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to
>>> other threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes
>>> naturally to them.
>>>
>>> That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists is
>>> a very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your comments
>>> or bury them in another threads.
>>>
>> Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree
>> with something?
>>
>> BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to 
>> clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to
>> FESCO:
>> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494
> 
> How is that going to help anything, when some of us are using browsers
> from Fedora repos, that just gets this answer:

Which browser?
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Allan via devel
On Sun, 09 Jul 2023 06:59:11 +
Mattia Verga via devel  wrote:

> Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
> > On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
> >> but the conversation about each change
> >> will take place on Fedora Discussion at
> >> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
> > It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to
> > other threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes
> > naturally to them.
> >
> > That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists is
> > a very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your comments
> > or bury them in another threads.
> >
> Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree
> with something?
> 
> BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to 
> clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to
> FESCO:
> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494

How is that going to help anything, when some of us are using browsers
from Fedora repos, that just gets this answer:

"Unfortunately, your browser is unsupported. Please switch to a
supported browser to view rich content, log in and reply."

Thats why we still wants maillists for this - as clearly said in last
discussion about it.
 
> Just a simple question and a YES/NO reply.

NO

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Re: getattr default value evaluation

2023-07-09 Thread Ben Beasley
The assertRaisesRegexp alias was removed in Python 3.12, along with a number of 
other previously-deprecated TestCase method aliases. You can search for it in 
https://docs.python.org/3.12/whatsnew/3.12.html. Upstream should just use 
assertRaisesRegex unconditionally unless they are trying to support Python 2.7.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2023, at 1:27 PM, Mattia Verga wrote:
> This code:
> ```
> from unittest import TestCase
> _testcase = TestCase('setUp')
> getattr(_testcase, 'assertRaisesRegex', _testcase.assertRaisesRegexp)
> ```
> was working in Python 3.11, but doesn't work anymore in 3.12:
> AttributeError: 'TestCase' object has no attribute 
> 'assertRaisesRegexp'. Did you mean: 'assertRaisesRegex'?
>
> The default value was previously ignored, while now it is evaluated 
> even if it is not required. Is this an expected change behavior in 
> Python 3.12?
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getattr default value evaluation

2023-07-09 Thread Mattia Verga
This code:
```
from unittest import TestCase
_testcase = TestCase('setUp')
getattr(_testcase, 'assertRaisesRegex', _testcase.assertRaisesRegexp)
```
was working in Python 3.11, but doesn't work anymore in 3.12:
AttributeError: 'TestCase' object has no attribute 'assertRaisesRegexp'. Did 
you mean: 'assertRaisesRegex'?

The default value was previously ignored, while now it is evaluated even if it 
is not required. Is this an expected change behavior in Python 3.12?
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[Bug 2221511] New: perl-LWP-Protocol-https-6.11 is available

2023-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2221511

Bug ID: 2221511
   Summary: perl-LWP-Protocol-https-6.11 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-LWP-Protocol-https
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Assignee: mspa...@redhat.com
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: mspa...@redhat.com,
perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Target Milestone: ---
Classification: Fedora



Releases retrieved: 6.11
Upstream release that is considered latest: 6.11
Current version/release in rawhide: 6.10-9.fc38
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/LWP-Protocol-https/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
stable branch: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/


More information about the service that created this bug can be found at:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/package-maintainers/Upstream_Release_Monitoring


Please keep in mind that with any upstream change, there may also be packaging
changes that need to be made. Specifically, please remember that it is your
responsibility to review the new version to ensure that the licensing is still
correct and that no non-free or legally problematic items have been added
upstream.


Based on the information from Anitya:
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To change the monitoring settings for the project, please visit:
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Re: more distinct default bash prompt?

2023-07-09 Thread DJ Chase
On Sun Jul 9, 2023 at 3:04 AM EDT, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> Il 09/07/23 00:05, Leon Fauster via devel ha scritto:
> > Am 08.07.23 um 22:44 schrieb Barry:
> >>
> >>> On 8 Jul 2023, at 19:56, Kushal Das  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> White background is a good choice for accessibility iirc.
> >> Isn’t is contrast that matters not any particular background?
> >
> > On the contrary it helps, a white background helps the human visual
> > system to distinguish patterns better then a black on do but this is
> > just one aspect to prefer the one or the other ... :-)
> >
> I also like white background while reading things on a support using 
> natural light, but when it comes to support using backlight I prefer 
> black background as I found that to be less eye tiresome (I don't know 
> what science/researches say about this, it's just my personal experience)
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Nader Nooryani
> Assuming the goal is to improve fedora, that would be pointless as
> telemetry rarely produces useful results as opt-in. It makes sense to have
> it opt-out, but I'd expect the telemetry output and inputs to be open and
> available for fedora developers.
> 
> Regards,
> Nikos
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 8:19 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel <
> devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
If the telemetry is presented in plain text that's easy to understand and the 
user is prompted if they wish to submit the data, sure that could be a possible 
compromise.
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Nader Nooryani
> Remember, for avoidance of doubt, we will NEVER enable telemetry upload 
> without the user's consent, which is indicated by either (a) not 
> flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-initial-setup to the off 
> position, or (b) flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-control-center 
> to the on position.

So it's considered consent if you don't know what you're signing up for?  I 
would never consider something consent without it being overtly approved by the 
user, although I don't know how this applies to laws in different 
jurisdictions.   This definition of consent would then have to match up with 
every country where there is a Fedora user, no?
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Nader Nooryani
> On Thu, Jul 6 2023 at 07:42:47 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour 
>  
> The problem is if users are expected to answer, they are going to 
> probably answer No and it's effectively the same as an opt-in. But if 
> we have a default value, users will be inclined to leave the default 
> value.
> 
> My plan is to put this switch in gnome-initial-setup, not the 
> installer. But it will have a default value.
> 
> Remember, for avoidance of doubt, we will NEVER enable telemetry upload 
> without the user's consent, which is indicated by either (a) not 
> flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-initial-setup to the off 
> position, or (b) flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-control-center 
> to the on position. (The telemetry might be enabled *locally only* for 
> users who upgrade from previous versions of Fedora Workstation and who 
> therefore have not seen the consent switch, but the data will never be 
> uploaded to Fedora. And upgraded users will see the switch default to 
> off rather than on, so it really will be opt-in for upgraded users.)
> 
> I'm attaching a screenshot to give an idea of what this would look like 
> in gnome-initial-setup. I don't have a gnome-control-center screenshot 
> handy, but it would be similar, except there it would default to off.
> On Thu, Jul 6 2023 at 07:42:47 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour 
>  
> The problem is if users are expected to answer, they are going to 
> probably answer No and it's effectively the same as an opt-in. But if 
> we have a default value, users will be inclined to leave the default 
> value.
> 
> My plan is to put this switch in gnome-initial-setup, not the 
> installer. But it will have a default value.
> 
> Remember, for avoidance of doubt, we will NEVER enable telemetry upload 
> without the user's consent, which is indicated by either (a) not 
> flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-initial-setup to the off 
> position, or (b) flipping the telemetry switch in gnome-control-center 
> to the on position. (The telemetry might be enabled *locally only* for 
> users who upgrade from previous versions of Fedora Workstation and who 
> therefore have not seen the consent switch, but the data will never be 
> uploaded to Fedora. And upgraded users will see the switch default to 
> off rather than on, so it really will be opt-in for upgraded users.)
> 
> I'm attaching a screenshot to give an idea of what this would look like 
> in gnome-initial-setup. I don't have a gnome-control-center screenshot 
> handy, but it would be similar, except there it would default to off.
> On Thu, Jul 6 2023 at 07:42:47 PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour 
>  
> The problem is if users are expected to answer, they are going to 
> probably answer No and it's effectively the same as an opt-in. But if 
> we have a default value, users will be inclined to leave the default 
> value.

Opt-out is and always will be incredibly disingenous when it comes to data 
collection.  Now I'm to understand that you're hoping enough users don't 
understand/notice that there's an option to opt-out, so that you recieve enough 
users.  What exactly is the reason this change is being considered?

>One of the main goals of metrics collection is to analyze whether Red
>Hat is achieving its goal to make Fedora Workstation the premier
>developer platform for cloud software development. Accordingly, we
>want to know things like which IDEs are most popular among our users,
>and which runtimes are used to create containers using Toolbx.

Then why not reach out to THESE users instead of casting a global net over all 
users?  There has never been a telemetry inclusion to my knowledge, that has 
been to the benefit of its users.   In understand that Red Hat sells products 
and services, but is it wise to do so at the expense of antagonizing its 
userbase of volunteers and avocates?

At the end of the day, no matter how you word it, telemetry is still data that 
is actively transmitted from the user to a third party.I still have to 
trust that this third-party will not misuse my data and ONLY collect what it 
says it will.Can Red Hat GUARANTEE that it won't collect something else if 
there's a security breach or there's an update pushed to the telemetry app 
containing a bug that collects more than intended?   Once it happens, no matter 
if by acccident or not, it will still have happened and leaked unintended data.
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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Sun, Jul 09, 2023 at 09:59:08AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote:
> On 09/07/2023 08:59, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:
> > BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to
> > clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to FESCO:
> > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494
> > 
> > Just a simple question and a YES/NO reply.
> 
> Sorry, but we can't trust **ANONYMOUS** vote on a third-party platform.
> Admins or other people with access to host can easily edit SQL database and
> set 100500 votes for variant YES there.

  Yes they could, but this is ridiculous.

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[Test-Announce] Kernel 6.4 Test Week

2023-07-09 Thread Sumantro Mukherjee
Hey All,

I would like to invite all of you to participate in the Kernel 6.4
Test week is happening from 2023-07-09 to 2023-07-16 It's
fairly simple, head over to the wiki [0] and read in detail about the
test week and simply run the test case mentioned in[1] and enter your
results.

As usual, the Fedora QA team will hangout at #fedora-test-...@libera.chat
for questions and discussion.

P.S: We give out badges[2] for testing new Kernel builds that come out!

[0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2023-07-09_Kernel_6.4_Test_Week
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Fedora rawhide compose report: 20230709.n.0 changes

2023-07-09 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
OLD: Fedora-Rawhide-20230708.n.0
NEW: Fedora-Rawhide-20230709.n.0

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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel

On 09/07/2023 08:59, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:

BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to
clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to FESCO:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494

Just a simple question and a YES/NO reply.


Sorry, but we can't trust **ANONYMOUS** vote on a third-party platform. 
Admins or other people with access to host can easily edit SQL database 
and set 100500 votes for variant YES there.


You have already received a lot of feedback in several threads. FESCO 
can count these replies. Most of them overwhelmingly oppose this change.


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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel

On 09/07/2023 08:59, Mattia Verga via devel wrote:

Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree with
something?


What malevolence? All 4 of my replies are gone from the main thread. I 
can treat this as a censoring attempt by the RH staff. This is 
absolutely unacceptable for free projects like Fedora.


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[Bug 2221456] New: F39FailsToInstall: perl-Alien-pkgconf

2023-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2221456

Bug ID: 2221456
   Summary: F39FailsToInstall: perl-Alien-pkgconf
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-Alien-pkgconf
  Assignee: ppi...@redhat.com
  Reporter: fti-b...@fedoraproject.org
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
Blocks: 2168845 (F39FailsToInstall,RAWHIDEFailsToInstall)
  Target Milestone: ---
Classification: Fedora



Hello,

Please note that this comment was generated automatically by
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Your package (perl-Alien-pkgconf) Fails To Install in Fedora 39:

can't install perl-Alien-pkgconf:
  - nothing provides libpkgconf-devel(x86-64) = 1.9.4 needed by
perl-Alien-pkgconf-0.19-3.fc39.x86_64

If you know about this problem and are planning on fixing it, please
acknowledge so by setting the bug status to ASSIGNED. If you don't have time to
maintain this package, consider orphaning it, so maintainers of dependent
packages realize the problem.


If you don't react accordingly to the policy for FTBFS/FTI bugs
(https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Fails_to_build_from_source_Fails_to_install/),
your package may be orphaned in 8+ weeks.


P.S. The data was generated solely from koji buildroot, so it might be newer
than the latest compose or the content on mirrors. To reproduce, use the
koji/local repo only, e.g. in mock:

$ mock -r fedora-39-x86_64 --config-opts mirrored=False install
perl-Alien-pkgconf


P.P.S. If this bug has been reported in the middle of upgrading multiple
dependent packages, please consider using side tags:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/#updating-inter-dependent-packages

Thanks!



Referenced Bugs:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2168845
[Bug 2168845] Fedora 39 Fails To install Tracker
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[Bug 2221452] New: perl-PerlIO-eol-0.19 is available

2023-07-09 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2221452

Bug ID: 2221452
   Summary: perl-PerlIO-eol-0.19 is available
   Product: Fedora
   Version: rawhide
Status: NEW
 Component: perl-PerlIO-eol
  Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged
  Assignee: ppi...@redhat.com
  Reporter: upstream-release-monitor...@fedoraproject.org
QA Contact: extras...@fedoraproject.org
CC: perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org, ppi...@redhat.com
  Target Milestone: ---
Classification: Fedora



Releases retrieved: 0.19
Upstream release that is considered latest: 0.19
Current version/release in rawhide: 0.18-1.fc39
URL: http://search.cpan.org/dist/PerlIO-eol/

Please consult the package updates policy before you issue an update to a
stable branch: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Updates_Policy/


More information about the service that created this bug can be found at:
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/package-maintainers/Upstream_Release_Monitoring


Please keep in mind that with any upstream change, there may also be packaging
changes that need to be made. Specifically, please remember that it is your
responsibility to review the new version to ensure that the licensing is still
correct and that no non-free or legally problematic items have been added
upstream.


Based on the information from Anitya:
https://release-monitoring.org/project/3228/


To change the monitoring settings for the project, please visit:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/perl-PerlIO-eol


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Re: more distinct default bash prompt?

2023-07-09 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 09/07/23 00:05, Leon Fauster via devel ha scritto:
> Am 08.07.23 um 22:44 schrieb Barry:
>>
>>> On 8 Jul 2023, at 19:56, Kushal Das  wrote:
>>>
>>> White background is a good choice for accessibility iirc.
>> Isn’t is contrast that matters not any particular background?
>
> On the contrary it helps, a white background helps the human visual
> system to distinguish patterns better then a black on do but this is
> just one aspect to prefer the one or the other ... :-)
>
I also like white background while reading things on a support using 
natural light, but when it comes to support using backlight I prefer 
black background as I found that to be less eye tiresome (I don't know 
what science/researches say about this, it's just my personal experience).

Anyway, I don't care about defaults as far as I can found the way to set 
back settings with ease.

Mattia

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Re: F40 Change: Privacy-preserving Telemetry for Fedora Workstation (System-Wide)

2023-07-09 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 08/07/23 13:06, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel ha scritto:
> On 06/07/2023 18:10, Aoife Moloney wrote:
>> but the conversation about each change
>> will take place on Fedora Discussion at
>> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320
> It looks like they've started moving replies they don't like to other
> threads to cover up the flow of resentment that comes naturally to them.
>
> That's why switching to Fedora Discussion from the mailing lists is a
> very bad idea: admins or RH staff can easily delete your comments or
> bury them in another threads.
>
Can we please stop implying malevolence every time we don't agree with 
something?

BTW in the spirit of openness, I've set up a poll (UNOFFICIAL) to 
clearly state community sentiment about enabling OPT-OUT metrics to FESCO:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/unofficial-poll-about-opt-out-metrics-proposal/85494

Just a simple question and a YES/NO reply.

Mattia

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