Re: [DDN] GSA and donations of equipment ruling - Colorado SEEDSprogram.
We have received information that GSA has issued a legal interpretation that is pretty devastating to the SEEDS program. Because SEEDS operates under the umbrella of a Community College and gives equipment to non-profits that are not K12 public schools, it's their position that we are inelligible to receive surplus from Government angencies. thomas, i'm pretty sure your situation is covered by executive order 12999, issued by president clinton, which permits and encourages the donation of surplus federal computers to schools as well as nonprofit educational organizations. http://www.computers.fed.gov/Public/12999.asp here in the washington dc area, federal agencies have been good about distributing surplus computers to educational nonprofits in accordance with this executive order. see http://innercity.org/success/donation.html i'm hoping the good people from other countries on this email list might use this info to convince their governments that surplus computers belong back in communities, not in warehouses or landfills. i'm pretty sure there are still several hundred thousand surplus government computers sitting in warehouses around the washington dc area. some journalist needs to write a story about the successes -- and non-successes of executive order 12999. i'd be only too happy to share what i know about both the successes and non-successes. - phil shapiro arlington, virginia -- Phil Shapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.his.com/pshapiro/ (personal) http://teachme.blogspot.com (weblog) http://guitarlessons.blogspot.com/ (guitar lessons) Everything you can imagine is real. - Pablo Picasso ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] GSA and donations of equipment ruling - Colorado SEEDSprogram.
The presidential order was the enabling event that established the SEEDS program, and we have worked hard at staying inside it's definitions. This probably wouldn't be so hard to deal with if our program champion weren't leaving congress. We have only one Senator that isn't up for re-election, and we have contacted him, but I suspect there is a window of time that everything stops between now and the election :-(. Our ware house is on a military installation and is bound up in this. This may seem off-topic for this list, but I see this sort of thing as bearing on the reasons for the divide, and the mechanics (sometimes flawed) of improving the situation. Thomas A Webb http://www.ospueblo.com - Open Source and Educational Resources http://wordwonder.com - For Readers and Thinkers Phil Shapiro wrote: thomas, i'm pretty sure your situation is covered by executive order 12999, issued by president clinton, which permits and encourages the donation of surplus federal computers to schools as well as nonprofit educational organizations. http://www.computers.fed.gov/Public/12999.asp here in the washington dc area, federal agencies have been good about distributing surplus computers to educational nonprofits in accordance with this executive order. see http://innercity.org/success/donation.html i'm hoping the good people from other countries on this email list might use this info to convince their governments that surplus computers belong back in communities, not in warehouses or landfills. i'm pretty sure there are still several hundred thousand surplus government computers sitting in warehouses around the washington dc area. some journalist needs to write a story about the successes -- and non-successes of executive order 12999. i'd be only too happy to share what i know about both the successes and non-successes. - phil shapiro arlington, virginia ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] GSA and donations of equipment ruling - Colorado SEEDSprogram.
This discussion is near the heart of this list's concerns, I believe. It's about a concrete program to distribute surplus equipment to those who need it which is being hampered rather than helped. We are working now to develop a program for distributing computer equipment from the school district's surplus to parents in our local community who would not otherwise be able to afford a computer. The biggest obstacle is the fear that a direct donation from school to home would incur support responsibilities for the school district, already straining to meet its internal support needs. We are hoping to triangulate the relationship with a non-profit as the direct recipient of the donation, and to help that organization find a way to develop the support program. Anyone dealing with anything similar who might have suggestions or insights? Thanks for any help you can give. Regards, Fred -- Fred Mindlin, Project Manager PVUSD Technology Curriculum Integration email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web:http://www.pvusd.net/tcip/ (831)761-6075 [office] (831)750-5311 [cell] (831)728-6947 [fax] Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don't know what to do. --John Holt On Oct 14, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Thomas A Webb wrote: The presidential order was the enabling event that established the SEEDS program, This may seem off-topic for this list, but I see this sort of thing as bearing on the reasons for the divide, and the mechanics (sometimes flawed) of improving the situation. Thomas A Webb http://www.ospueblo.com - Open Source and Educational Resources http://wordwonder.com - For Readers and Thinkers ... ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
Re: [DDN] GSA and donations of equipment ruling - Colorado SEEDSprogram.
Dear Fred, et al, First off, hi Fred, how's it going? ;-) One approach to consider, that we implemented under our RTEC, is Learn-and-Earn programs, where parents earn a computer, by learning to use it. That way the distribution of computers could potentially be tied to other parent and family involvement goals, objectives and activities of a school or district. The challenge, of course, is to support a during or after-school/out-of-school adult ed computer training program. The LINCT Coalition's approach to Learn and Earn is to develop an exchange of time dollars, where people volunteer to do useful things for each other and the community and earn time dollars for that work, that can be exchanged for some help or service that they may need themselves. So folks could volunteer to teach classes, participants could earn time dollars by participating in classes, etc. This can necessitate finding a wider range of potential volunteer activities beyond computer training and computer use, to create a local, community time dollar economy. However, Learn and Earn programs have been established without attempting to implement a full time dollars approach as well. It is definitely more work than either just distributing computers, or working through a nonprofit for distribution (though the nonprofit could, of course, run a Learn and Earn program itself). Some advantages of Learn and Earn, imho, are: (1) opportunities to engage with parents/families over time during the training phase (the Learn part of Learn and Earn); (2) opportunity to make sure that parents and other adults feel capable and cmopetent in using a computer that they Earn through training; (3) opportunity over the course of the training to ensure that the computer is in good working condition before it goes home with the parent, adult or youth; and (4) fostering a positive sense of accomplishment in earning a computer by learning to use it. Just a thought. In Peace, Kevin Rocap [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred Mindlin wrote: This discussion is near the heart of this list's concerns, I believe. It's about a concrete program to distribute surplus equipment to those who need it which is being hampered rather than helped. We are working now to develop a program for distributing computer equipment from the school district's surplus to parents in our local community who would not otherwise be able to afford a computer. The biggest obstacle is the fear that a direct donation from school to home would incur support responsibilities for the school district, already straining to meet its internal support needs. We are hoping to triangulate the relationship with a non-profit as the direct recipient of the donation, and to help that organization find a way to develop the support program. Anyone dealing with anything similar who might have suggestions or insights? Thanks for any help you can give. Regards, Fred -- Fred Mindlin, Project Manager PVUSD Technology Curriculum Integration email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] web:http://www.pvusd.net/tcip/ (831)761-6075 [office] (831)750-5311 [cell] (831)728-6947 [fax] Intelligence is knowing what to do when you don't know what to do. --John Holt On Oct 14, 2004, at 7:46 AM, Thomas A Webb wrote: The presidential order was the enabling event that established the SEEDS program, This may seem off-topic for this list, but I see this sort of thing as bearing on the reasons for the divide, and the mechanics (sometimes flawed) of improving the situation. Thomas A Webb http://www.ospueblo.com - Open Source and Educational Resources http://wordwonder.com - For Readers and Thinkers ... ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message. ___ DIGITALDIVIDE mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.edc.org/mailman/listinfo/digitaldivide To unsubscribe, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the body of the message.
