Re: A note on troll engagement
On 11/27/2017 11:57 AM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: I don't use the web interface for the newsgroup, and I have no interest in doing so. I use the mailing list. The same goes for many of the major contributors. Others use the newsgroup directly. IMHO, being stuck with any form of forum software would be worse than being able to use my e-mail client like I do now. Sure, editing posts would occasionally be nice, but it rarely matters much, and I've never seen the lack of formatting or syntax highlighting as being much of a problem. Plain text generally works for the sort of communication that we have here - certainly it's not enough of a problem for me to want to deal with forum software instead of a proper mailing list. Another advantage to our method is the "database" is just a pile of text files. There is no need for any program to decode it other than "cat". Also, the text files can be processed for display in any number of ways, such as: http://forum.dlang.org/group/general or even: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/index.html
Re: A note on troll engagement
On Monday, November 27, 2017 19:30:36 Mengu via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Monday, 27 November 2017 at 17:44:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu > > wrote: > > All: we have had an increase in troll posts lately. Please > > avoid engaging them and resist the urge to correct assertions > > no matter how wrong, indignating, etc. The best response to > > troll posts is spending the time that would elsewhere go in > > flamewars, on good work. Feel free to use your newsreader's > > "killfile" feature to filter away posts from aliases you assess > > have a net negative contribution to this forum. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Andrei > > we should switch to a forum software. enough is enough. we can't > edit posts, we can't get rid of spammers and trolls. we don't > have proper code formatting / syntax highlighting. what is > holding you guys back? I don't use the web interface for the newsgroup, and I have no interest in doing so. I use the mailing list. The same goes for many of the major contributors. Others use the newsgroup directly. IMHO, being stuck with any form of forum software would be worse than being able to use my e-mail client like I do now. Sure, editing posts would occasionally be nice, but it rarely matters much, and I've never seen the lack of formatting or syntax highlighting as being much of a problem. Plain text generally works for the sort of communication that we have here - certainly it's not enough of a problem for me to want to deal with forum software instead of a proper mailing list. Historically, spammers and trolls have only occasionally been a problem, and outright spam does usually get removed from the newsgroup. We have unfortunately had some major problems with a few recent threads where there have been quite a few troll posts in them. So, it makes sense for Walter and/or Andrei to speak up about it, but I expect that the problem will pass. It always has before. If we follow Andrei's advice and do better at ignoring the troll posts, it will blow over soon enough. And most of us don't really want to have to have anyone around here spending their time moderating. We spend too much of our time in useless chatter as it is instead of creating or reviewing PRs. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: A note on troll engagement
On 11/27/17 2:30 PM, Mengu wrote: On Monday, 27 November 2017 at 17:44:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: All: we have had an increase in troll posts lately. Please avoid engaging them and resist the urge to correct assertions no matter how wrong, indignating, etc. The best response to troll posts is spending the time that would elsewhere go in flamewars, on good work. Feel free to use your newsreader's "killfile" feature to filter away posts from aliases you assess have a net negative contribution to this forum. Thanks, Andrei we should switch to a forum software. enough is enough. we can't edit posts, we can't get rid of spammers and trolls. we don't have proper code formatting / syntax highlighting. what is holding you guys back? We can get rid of spammers and trolls. It just won't happen for those who use the mailing list or NNTP (though to a certain degree, NNTP can remove posts). But editing posts doesn't work with NNTP. You could potentially "hold back" posts from going to NNTP for a probation period, for those cases where you accidentally hit send, or you immediately see a typo. But once it's on the NNTP server, it's set in stone. I kind of like it that way, anyway. No more revisionist history :) Syntax highlighting can work just fine, it just will only be on the forum. I think Vladimir would be happy to entertain updates to the forum software: https://github.com/CyberShadow/DFeed -Steve
Re: A note on troll engagement
On Monday, 27 November 2017 at 17:44:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: All: we have had an increase in troll posts lately. Please avoid engaging them and resist the urge to correct assertions no matter how wrong, indignating, etc. The best response to troll posts is spending the time that would elsewhere go in flamewars, on good work. Feel free to use your newsreader's "killfile" feature to filter away posts from aliases you assess have a net negative contribution to this forum. Thanks, Andrei we should switch to a forum software. enough is enough. we can't edit posts, we can't get rid of spammers and trolls. we don't have proper code formatting / syntax highlighting. what is holding you guys back?
Re: A note on troll engagement
On Monday, 27 November 2017 at 17:44:54 UTC, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: All: we have had an increase in troll posts lately. Please avoid engaging them and resist the urge to correct assertions no matter how wrong, indignating, etc. The best response to troll posts is spending the time that would elsewhere go in flamewars, on good work. Feel free to use your newsreader's "killfile" feature to filter away posts from aliases you assess have a net negative contribution to this forum. Thanks, Andrei Why doesnt D have two mailing lists, or two forums, many FOSS projects, have one mailing list open for everyone, trolls and what-not And another mailing list, that is read-only for everyone, and only the DLang contributors can post to it Tcl is good example, in general I believe Tcl is one of better managed FOSS projects, their wiki, dev mailing list, TIP/DIP system is one of the best
A note on troll engagement
All: we have had an increase in troll posts lately. Please avoid engaging them and resist the urge to correct assertions no matter how wrong, indignating, etc. The best response to troll posts is spending the time that would elsewhere go in flamewars, on good work. Feel free to use your newsreader's "killfile" feature to filter away posts from aliases you assess have a net negative contribution to this forum. Thanks, Andrei
[OT] Don't feed the troll
On 22.05.2017 16:31, bachmeier wrote: On Monday, 22 May 2017 at 12:04:39 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: Once you start banning + deleting non-spam its a real slippery slope. This is an argument I've never understood. First, _this not a significant problem around here_. The forum self-moderates reasonably well. That said: Ignoring trolls is both effective and convenient. Why would anyone be affected by what such a person posts in the first place? Their thoughts have no relevance as they lack maturity. Therefore, all they do is waste a tiny little bit of time now and then. Moderation also wastes time, and it is not actually easy to do well. Seems to be dominant here. It's part of the reason why I'm here. Attacking someone personally for supposedly being hostile is a great way to derail a technical discussion. It's a popular trolling strategy. The way it has worked here so far is that if you are not able to give someone the benefit of the doubt, you simply ignore them. Not banning and deleting is a slippery slope. If you use a newsgroup reader, you can block people's posts at will. Why does there need to be a central authority? It's just overhead. As soon as such an authority is established, people will try to move the line around and argue about definitions of fuzzy terms in order to get the central authority to ban precisely the set of posts they do not like. This is not a productive use of the forums. Also, aggressive moderation does not necessarily solve a problem. People can simply get more sensitive (e.g. they will get offended about trivialities such as exclamation marks and other unreliable cues) and then newcomers, whose first language is not necessarily English, need to learn arbitrary rules in order to be treated respectfully.
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Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
superdan Wrote: == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.hel...@gmail.com)'s article On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote: If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it? I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly. Just a friendly PSA. n_n PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last message! yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit. A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum. Especially female programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be fun. I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward to it.
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
Bane Wrote: A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum. Especially female programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be fun. I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward to it. That GirlProgrammer is most likely Dee Girl 2.0, which is just another name for superdan.
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
Denis Koroskin wrote: Bane Wrote: A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum. Especially female programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be fun. I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward to it. That GirlProgrammer is most likely Dee Girl 2.0, which is just another name for superdan. I doubt it.
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
superdan wrote: == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.hel...@gmail.com)'s article On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote: If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it? I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly. Just a friendly PSA. n_n PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last message! yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit. I assumed 'GirlProgrammer' was analagous to 'EpromProgrammer' or 'WindowsProgrammer', ie, he tries to program girls.
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
== Quote from Denis Koroskin (2kor...@gmail.com)'s article Bane Wrote: A troll visit once in a while is a nice way to break routine on any ng/forum. Especially female programmer with love towards word suck. That is bound to be fun. I see this troll is loyal, and will be here for years to come. Looking forward to it. That GirlProgrammer is most likely Dee Girl 2.0, which is just another name for superdan. you is not da sharpest tool in da shed eh? dee exists but not postin' no more. were both into d. walt rulez. gettin' in da gutter of ngs fer trolling aint our thing anyway. next time think a bit fer a change sherlock.
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
== Quote from Don (nos...@nospam.com)'s article superdan wrote: == Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.hel...@gmail.com)'s article On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote: If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it? I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly. Just a friendly PSA. n_n PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last message! yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit. I assumed 'GirlProgrammer' was analagous to 'EpromProgrammer' or 'WindowsProgrammer', ie, he tries to program girls. good 1!
Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote: If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it? I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly. Just a friendly PSA. n_n PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last message!
Re: Please, don't feed the troll (was Does D Suck?)
== Quote from Bernard Helyer (b.hel...@gmail.com)'s article On 17/05/10 17:17, GirlProgrammer wrote: If D doesn't suck, and is better than C++ why am I not using it? Indeed, why isn't hardly anyone using it? I imagine you get some dull pleasure from posting essentially the same message to the NG every few months or so (this is almost certainly the person behind the 'is d a cult' thread a few months ago, and ios the same person behind 'what is d' from a few weeks) so until GirlProgrammer/Jane Doe/Janis D/angelinastyle contributes a question beyond the same simple troll, 'she' is not worth responding to, so I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind the NG of the content 'she' has previously posted, and reconsider in replying to 'her' accordingly. Just a friendly PSA. n_n PS: It's nice to see that you've updated your XP install since your last message! yeah dun feed da troll. ass to mouth da troll. too bad that ain't gonna be pleasant. cocksucka as girlprogrammer is it ain't no broad. its a punk-ass motherfucker posing as chick 2 give a twist to his lame life. shit.
Re: Troll or someone posting without reading the topic first?
Don nos...@nospam.com wrote in message news:hffi5b$2fr...@digitalmars.com... BCS wrote: Troll. AJ
Troll or someone posting without reading the topic first?
Re: Troll or someone posting without reading the topic first?
BCS wrote: Troll.
Let's Not Feed the Troll
This guy has obviously gone beyond the point of being a minor nuisance. The best medicine is just to ignore him. So please, let's not reply directly to him, try to convince him he's wrong, or even call him names. Just ignore his posts and be done with him.
