Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
On Thursday 31 December 2009 11:11:45 Andy obrien wrote: > Am I wrong in thinking that if one uses something like MixW to "direct" > key a rig that has no internal keyer, that you also get some "odd results" > ? In the early days of Mixw I used direct keying with my TS440, not audio > CW. It worked but I would get comments from some that suggested my CW had > an odd 'swishing" sound to it. I do not get that direct keying the > TS-2000. > > Andy K3UK I used MixW this year for the first time at the Red Cross club station (W8PGW) for the November Sweepstakes CW weekend. Did not receive anything from anyone telling me anything like that. The stations that I know that we contacted during the contest told me later that we had a very good clean signal. Was using a Icom ic-730 and a Kenwood ts-430. Switched to the 730 because of the better filtering that was in it. I had asked this question because I want something that will decode and send CW and I just don't feel comfortable and don't like the sound of the AFCW that FLDigi and gMFSK do. I feel a WHOLE lot better direct keying and I am not a regular CW user. As for cwdaemon, I will have to look at the man pages and see what I can do to get it to run here. James W8ISS Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
Windoze can do it... we use N1MM in the contest with 45 wpm direct keying, without problems on fast machines. Of course cwdaemon for linux is even better... Rein PA0R > Hello, > > Keying directly gives possibility to put a true keyer in parallel to the > computerized keying, this to be able to either type letters or key the letters > according to the feeling of the day. > > However, in hard keying , if the speed is not too much fast (<=25 wpm), > computerized dashes ans dots are OK but the precision of the duration being > limited under Windows, very fast keying will be not very good (as far as i > know). > > 73 > Patrick > > Selon DANNY DOUGLAS : > > > NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you > > they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early > > on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus > > continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away > > from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it > > uses only AFCW, Im gone. > > > > > > Danny Douglas > > N7DC > > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB > > All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU > > CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F > > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, > > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. > > Moderator > > DXandTALK > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk > > Digital_modes > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 > > > > ----- Original Message - > > From: James French > > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM > > Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs > > > > > > > > I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I > > prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some > > programs > > use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. > > > > Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others > > have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that > > makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? > > > > Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to > > the 'old' method. > > > > Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed > > method? > > I > > haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. > > > > James W8ISS > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = > 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Suggested frequencies for calling CQ with experimental digital modes = 3584,10147, 14074 USB on your dial plus 1000Hz on waterfall. Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Pages at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
Am I wrong in thinking that if one uses something like MixW to "direct" key a rig that has no internal keyer, that you also get some "odd results" ? In the early days of Mixw I used direct keying with my TS440, not audio CW. It worked but I would get comments from some that suggested my CW had an odd 'swishing" sound to it. I do not get that direct keying the TS-2000. Andy K3UK
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
I guess they exist, but I do not not of a "keyer" that outputs audio (afsk) keying to a rig. Generally your hand key is just shorting two wires, to the key input jack which is real cw. I run a computer with software to provide on/off keying, and parallel that with a regular hand key and/or a bug, thus am able to use either type keying at any time. My TS570s has two key input jacks, one for external keying such as from the key/a keyboard/computer etc, and the other to an Iambic key, and the rig provides the cw from that. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: f6...@free.fr To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs Hello, Keying directly gives possibility to put a true keyer in parallel to the computerized keying, this to be able to either type letters or key the letters according to the feeling of the day. However, in hard keying , if the speed is not too much fast (<=25 wpm), computerized dashes ans dots are OK but the precision of the duration being limited under Windows, very fast keying will be not very good (as far as i know). 73 Patrick Selon DANNY DOUGLAS : > NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you > they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early > on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus > continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away > from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it > uses only AFCW, Im gone. > > > Danny Douglas > N7DC > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB > All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU > CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. > Moderator > DXandTALK > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk > Digital_modes > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 > > - Original Message - > From: James French > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs > > > > I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I > prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some > programs > use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. > > Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others > have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that > makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? > > Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to > the 'old' method. > > Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? > I > haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. > > James W8ISS > > >
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
Hello, Keying directly gives possibility to put a true keyer in parallel to the computerized keying, this to be able to either type letters or key the letters according to the feeling of the day. However, in hard keying , if the speed is not too much fast (<=25 wpm), computerized dashes ans dots are OK but the precision of the duration being limited under Windows, very fast keying will be not very good (as far as i know). 73 Patrick Selon DANNY DOUGLAS : > NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you > they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early > on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus > continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away > from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it > uses only AFCW, Im gone. > > > Danny Douglas > N7DC > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB > All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU > CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F > Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, > I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. > Moderator > DXandTALK > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk > Digital_modes > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 > > - Original Message - > From: James French > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM > Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs > > > > I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I > prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some > programs > use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. > > Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others > have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that > makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? > > Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to > the 'old' method. > > Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? > I > haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. > > James W8ISS > > >
Re: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
NO- AFCW is NOT better, and if you use it, half your contacts with tell you they hear some audio getting into your keying. I used it a few times, early on, and that is the results. Remember, you also will be using SSB, versus continus wave keying signals, and thus outputting less RF signal. Stay away from it, if at all possible. I hadnt gotten that far with FLDIGI, but if it uses only AFCW, Im gone. Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB All 2 years or more (except Novice). Short stints at: DA/PA/SU/HZ/7X/DU CR9/7Y/KH7/5A/GW/GM/F Pls QSL direct, buro, or LOTW preferred, I Do not use, but as a courtesy do upload to eQSL for those who do. Moderator DXandTALK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DXandTalk Digital_modes http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digital_modes/?yguid=341090159 - Original Message - From: James French To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:43 PM Subject: [digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some programs use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to the 'old' method. Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? I haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. James W8ISS
[digitalradio] AFCW and keyed cw programs
I have used a couple of programs for generating cw and have found that I prefer a 'direct' keyed method (MixW) compared to the AFCW that some programs use (FlDigi). Running Linux BTW here. Was wondering why some programs used direct keying of the radio and others have gone the AFCW method? Is there something that I am missing here that makes AFCW a better choice or is it just a program writer/designer choice? Doing AFCW just doesn't 'sound' right to me when I am doing cw compared to the 'old' method. Are there any linux distroed programs that will do the direct keyed method? I haven't found any yet..:( MixW crashes when I try to run it in WINE here. James W8ISS
