Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
Yes, mainly when another station decises to start a QSO on top of it. "Roger J. Buffington" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rick Scott wrote:> My take is that the frequencies are NOT guaranteed by the FCC Period. > And if an Active QSO is in progress, and the Auto op interferes with > that QSO its called Jamming and subject to fines PERIOD. True, although the FCC seems to have taken a hands-off approach to the violations of this type that the automatic stations routinely perpetrate. HF-Packet is particularly bad since it requires so darned many repetitions of packets before it gets anything intelligible to the receiving station. So it just chugs and chugs, and qrms and qrms.de Roger W6VZV Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
Rick Scott wrote: > My take is that the frequencies are NOT guaranteed by the FCC Period. > And if an Active QSO is in progress, and the Auto op interferes with > that QSO its called Jamming and subject to fines PERIOD. True, although the FCC seems to have taken a hands-off approach to the violations of this type that the automatic stations routinely perpetrate. HF-Packet is particularly bad since it requires so darned many repetitions of packets before it gets anything intelligible to the receiving station. So it just chugs and chugs, and qrms and qrms. de Roger W6VZV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> 1.2 million kids a year are victims of human trafficking. Stop slavery. http://us.click.yahoo.com/WpTY2A/izNLAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
That might be your take but it won't happen. I have run a packet BBS on 14.098 for over 13 years. Come on down and try to get me a fine. If it's AUTO I'm not there! Rick Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My take is that the frequencies are NOT guaranteed by the FCC Period. And if an Active QSO is in progress, and the Auto op interferes with that QSO its called Jamming and subject to fines PERIOD. John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 09:58 PM 11/21/05, you wrote:>I wonder if it may be the 105 net that operates HF packet under full>automatic operation. They have been there for many years and so they start>to think they have a right to the frequency.No. that last time I check into their network it was still keyboard to keyboard.There was a BBS there for leaving messages. But it did not do any forwardinglike the Pactor' systems do. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? Check the quick commerical free link below http://www.obriensweb.com/digimodes.html SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
My take is that the frequencies are NOT guaranteed by the FCC Period. And if an Active QSO is in progress, and the Auto op interferes with that QSO its called Jamming and subject to fines PERIOD. John Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 09:58 PM 11/21/05, you wrote: >I wonder if it may be the 105 net that operates HF packet under full >automatic operation. They have been there for many years and so they start >to think they have a right to the frequency. No. that last time I check into their network it was still keyboard to keyboard. There was a BBS there for leaving messages. But it did not do any forwarding like the Pactor' systems do. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
At 09:58 PM 11/21/05, you wrote: >I wonder if it may be the 105 net that operates HF packet under full >automatic operation. They have been there for many years and so they start >to think they have a right to the frequency. No. that last time I check into their network it was still keyboard to keyboard. There was a BBS there for leaving messages. But it did not do any forwarding like the Pactor' systems do. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
While they had NO RIGHT to tell you that. Don't be the one to complain when it runs over your QSO when it takes off if any of it is automatic. Maybe that's what he was trying to say. 73 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 11/21/2005 7:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:copied this off the air tonight "I received an e-mail today from someone telling me to stay off of 14.105.5 while using Olivia mode. He claimed that 14.105.5 was for their group using packet messaging for emergency traffic and always on standby, and that anyone using Olivia on 14.105.5 was to off. oh well, Olivia is moving down the band [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be no stopping it. Sort of like when PSK first came on 14.070 and all the pactor mailbox stations had problems. But, I was told in this e-mail to keep off of 14.105.5, it was their fre!!! har. " ANdy Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
I wonder if it may be the 105 net that operates HF packet under full automatic operation. They have been there for many years and so they start to think they have a right to the frequency. I would suggest that it would be very unwise to be sending anyone any e-mail telling them to stay off a frequency. It might actually backfire and cause them and others to intentionally use the frequency much to the dismay of the complainer. Having said that, since the stations using automatic operation must operate within tiny slivers of the band, it would be good amateur practice for keyboarders and non automatic stations to not operate in those areas. I do admit that I have difficulty remembering all these different frequencies, band plans, preferences, etc. The band areas for fully automatic operation: "97.221 (b) A station may be automatically controlled while transmitting a RTTY or data emission on the 6 m or shorter wavelength bands, and on the 28.120-28.189 MHz, 24.925-24.930 MHz, 21.090-21.100 MHz, 18.105-18.110 MHz, 14.0950-14.0995 MHz, 14.1005-14.112 MHz, 10.140-10.150 MHz, 7.100-7.105 MHz, or 3.620-3.635 MHz segments." For stations with semi-automatic operation (one of the two stations is under human control), operation is allowed throughout the band segment for that type of mode providing that the bandwidth does not exceed 500 Hz. If the bandwidth exceeds 500 Hz, then even semi-automatic operation must be done inside those narrow subbands, hence Pactor 3 operation must currently fit into these slivers if semi automatic operation is used. 73, Rick, KV9U -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Douglas Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 20:56 To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 ! Looking at the band plan, as published by ARRL: 14.105- 14.112 IS listed as packet freqs, for all that that means. 14.230 is listed as SSTV - and we all know how often that is followed, especially during SSB contests (this past weekend.) Also, the ARRL speaks only for US amateurs within the CONUS and a few outlaying US territories and foreign stations mostly ignore their "band-plans" In cases of emergencies, the FCC announces, and the ARRL publishes specific freqs that are to be used ONLY by stations who are working emergency traffic. That does not preclude any ham station from using any ham frequency during certain emergency situations, including ones they are not licensed for. It is well known that band plans are "suggestions" and NOT the law. It IS the law, that if a station is working on a frequency, another one is NOT allowed to interfere with ongoing communications. I would have personally taken that message, if it were sent to me, and forwarded it on to the FCC , with a suggestion that I took it for a threat, and therefore request the FCC to take immediate action against the author. Danny -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
At 08:55 PM 11/21/05, you wrote: >Looking at the band plan, as published by ARRL: 14.105- 14.112 IS listed >as packet freqs, for all that that means. 14.230 is listed as SSTV - and >we all know how often that is followed, especially during SSB contests >(this past weekend.) Also, the ARRL speaks only for US amateurs within >the CONUS and a few outlaying US territories and foreign stations mostly >ignore their "band-plans" > Speaking of 14,105, has been for about the last 20 years a keyboard frequency used by the packet guys. 14,101 up has been used by packet. Form what I have been reading (on air) the problem has been that they are using LSB and the sound card modes are using USB and somewhere the 2 will meet. This goes back to the start of PSK and the Pactor MBO's. Many think it would be better if all used the same side band. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/ELTolB/TM ~-> Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
Looking at the band plan, as published by ARRL: 14.105- 14.112 IS listed as packet freqs, for all that that means. 14.230 is listed as SSTV - and we all know how often that is followed, especially during SSB contests (this past weekend.) Also, the ARRL speaks only for US amateurs within the CONUS and a few outlaying US territories and foreign stations mostly ignore their "band-plans" In cases of emergencies, the FCC announces, and the ARRL publishes specific freqs that are to be used ONLY by stations who are working emergency traffic. That does not preclude any ham station from using any ham frequency during certain emergency situations, including ones they are not licensed for. It is well known that band plans are "suggestions" and NOT the law. It IS the law, that if a station is working on a frequency, another one is NOT allowed to interfere with ongoing communications. I would have personally taken that message, if it were sent to me, and forwarded it on to the FCC , with a suggestion that I took it for a threat, and therefore request the FCC to take immediate action against the author. Danny - Original Message - From: Andrew J. O'Brien To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 ! I copied this off the air tonight "I received an e-mail today from someone telling me to stay off of 14.105.5 while using Olivia mode. He claimed that 14.105.5 was for their group using packet messaging for emergency traffic and always on standby, and that anyone using Olivia on 14.105.5 was to off. oh well, Olivia is moving down the band [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be no stopping it. Sort of like when PSK first came on 14.070 and all the pactor mailbox stations had problems. But, I was told in this e-mail to keep off of 14.105.5, it was their fre!!! har. " ANdy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/176 - Release Date: 11/20/2005 Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
In a message dated 11/21/2005 7:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: copied this off the air tonight "I received an e-mail today from someone telling me to stay off of 14.105.5 while using Olivia mode. He claimed that 14.105.5 was for their group using packet messaging for emergency traffic and always on standby, and that anyone using Olivia on 14.105.5 was to off. oh well, Olivia is moving down the band [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be no stopping it. Sort of like when PSK first came on 14.070 and all the pactor mailbox stations had problems. But, I was told in this e-mail to keep off of 14.105.5, it was their fre!!! har. " ANdy Hello Andy: I sure hope you told them where they could place that "BS!" :-) 73 de NY2U Bill Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[digitalradio] Olivia user warned off 14105.5 !
I copied this off the air tonight "I received an e-mail today from someone telling me to stay off of 14.105.5 while using Olivia mode. He claimed that 14.105.5 was for their group using packet messaging for emergency traffic and always on standby, and that anyone using Olivia on 14.105.5 was to off. oh well, Olivia is moving down the band [EMAIL PROTECTED] may be no stopping it. Sort of like when PSK first came on 14.070 and all the pactor mailbox stations had problems. But, I was told in this e-mail to keep off of 14.105.5, it was their fre!!! har. " ANdy Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to telnet://208.15.25.196/ Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ Looking for digital mode software? This group suggests you try either : http://www.mixw.net MIWX (many modes) http://f6cte.free.fr MultiPSK (many modes) http://www.dxlab.com DXLAB (logging, PSK31/63 and more) http://www.qsl.net/hamscope Hamscope (many modes) http://http://xoomer.virgilio.it/aporcino/Chip64 Chip64 http://www.digipan.net/Digipan Digipan (PSK31 and PSK63 http://www.kc4elo.com/ Logger32 (logging, PSK31/63 and RTTY) SPONSORED LINKS Craft hobby Hobby and craft supply Ham radio YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "digitalradio" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
