Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Food? Are you sure, last time I checked it was recycled rubber with a soya type base. Dennis Smith M1DLG Barely human, mostly penguin. Hal wrote: > I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other > restaurant too... >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Hal, Sometimes I am tempted to reply this way too. Mostly I try to keep comments positive about Linux and trust that M$ will eventually offend their clients enough that they will reconsider. My favorite distro is Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. There was a time when hams considered themselves more technical. In those days Linux was popular in the ham community. Now that Linux is so much easier, hams should try it again. 73, Howard K5HB From: Hal To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2009 8:32:19 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? On 04-01, Rick W wrote: > > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham > computer users. I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other restaurant too... > Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find > it mediocre as an operating system. That's interesting. . Consider the common denominator? ? >Several of my ham friends have tried > it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech > oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into > Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to > work for him and he is an electronics engineer. So... > That has been the case > with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, > really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. What shortcomings except comments like yours?? > But it just > has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in > life, the trade-offs are too great:( Because too many refuse to think?? Just my 0.02 worth.. :^).. -- Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3 .
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Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
On 04-01, Rick W wrote: > > Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham > computer users. I understand the Golden Arches sell more "food" than any other restaurant too... > Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find > it mediocre as an operating system. That's interesting.. Consider the common denominator?? >Several of my ham friends have tried > it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech > oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into > Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to > work for him and he is an electronics engineer. So... > That has been the case > with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, > really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. What shortcomings except comments like yours?? > But it just > has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in > life, the trade-offs are too great:( Because too many refuse to think?? Just my 0.02 worth.. :^).. -- Vy 73 de Hal--W8MCHUNIX-GNU/Linux - Slackware 11.0, 2.4.33.3 .
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Howard, During the daytime, 160, 80, and sometimes 40 meters are NVIS capable depending upon world location, but for sure 40 meters is usually open for lower angle distances and can be very good. NVIS just means that you can get the close in stations as well as more distant station, so there is no skip zone. Linux has not been very successful here in the U.S. with most ham computer users. Even the ones who are very techy, such as myself, find it mediocre as an operating system. Several of my ham friends have tried it over the years too and abandoned it. A nearby ham, who is very tech oriented decided a few months ago that he was going to really get into Linux, until he really tried it and realized it just was not going to work for him and he is an electronics engineer. That has been the case with most other hams I know and some of us, myself included, really, really, wanted to like the OS, even with its shortcomings. But it just has not been very practical at this point because like so many things in life, the trade-offs are too great:( 73, Rick, KV9U Howard Brown wrote: > GM Rick, > > I have been listening for PSKmail stations for some time. NVIS could > be valuable at times but it would also be useful to have servers > available on 40 and 80 meters under current conditions. These servers > would be reachable from distances greater than NVIS and compensate for > weak propagation in the 100 to 500 mile range. > > I think the guys in Europe are way ahead of us with this software. > They don't seem to be so afraid of Linux. > > Howard K5HB > > > *From:* Rick W > *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:22:59 AM > *Subject:* Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? > > If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many > more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all > other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. > As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the > signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be > open, when shorter ones are open most of the time. > > We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 > meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and > probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. > This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is > probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300? > > Another thought is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem > like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 > miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active > hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts > of the world? > > 73, > > Rick, KV9U > > Russell Blair wrote: > > Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m > > seems dead hr in Texas. > > Russell > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.35/2034 - Release Date: 04/01/09 > 06:06:00 > >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
GM Rick, I have been listening for PSKmail stations for some time. NVIS could be valuable at times but it would also be useful to have servers available on 40 and 80 meters under current conditions. These servers would be reachable from distances greater than NVIS and compensate for weak propagation in the 100 to 500 mile range. I think the guys in Europe are way ahead of us with this software. They don't seem to be so afraid of Linux. Howard K5HB From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:22:59 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be open, when shorter ones are open most of the time. We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300? Another thought is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts of the world? 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: > Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m > seems dead hr in Texas. > Russell >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
If PSKmail becomes popular here in the U.S., we will likely have many more servers than at present. Something that has been lacking with all other systems is the minimal use of the lower bands for NVIS operation. As long as there is a path close to (but not exceeding) the MUF, the signal quality will often be the best, but the longer paths may not be open, when shorter ones are open most of the time. We have at least one group here in my state that attempts to use an 80 meter 300 baud packet BBS but I know they have a lot of retries and probably time outs with the messages not always getting through on NVIS. This means that other protocols need to be developed since PSK250 is probably no better and maybe not quite as good as 2FSK300? Another thought is it possible to use PSKmail on VHF? It would seem like a good fit for moderate distance communication, local to maybe 100 miles? Maybe even with FM and vertical polarization, which 99% of active hams already have available? Has anyone tried this in EU or other parts of the world? 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: > Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m > seems dead hr in Texas. > Russell >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Rick, well the only I have heard today was VE7SUN @12:00 UTC, 30m seems dead hr in Texas. Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! " IN GOD WE TRUST " Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Rick W wrote: From: Rick W Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:49 AM Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe calling each other on the same frequency? I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of active servers, this system could become very practical by having one program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having one program that can do what otherwise would require many different programs, would make this a very useful digital system. 73, Rick, KV9U Rein Couperus wrote: > > The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... > > This is from the wiki: > Send APRS Posit > Send APRS message > Send APRS email > Send ping > Send Link packet to server > Receive APRS message > Receive short email on APRS > Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. > Set APRS Icon > Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) > Set APRS status message > GPS connection (RS232 and USB) > > ARQ terminal mode: > Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) > Send mail via ISP > List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) > Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox > Get special info depending on your location from the web like: > - tide information > - List of APRS stations > - List of messages on findu > - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location > (EU only) > - The latest wx bulletin > - Grib files for zyGrib > - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib > > etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops > determine > what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system > operators to get your specific stuff on it. > In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, > and is updated several times a day. > Any info not on the server can be called from the web > > This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: > atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 > DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 > highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 > Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 > kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 > MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 > MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 > navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 > navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 > navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 > nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 > pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 > Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 > wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 > > Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages... . > > I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... > > 73, > > Rein PA0R > > BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... > > > - - - - - - > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > 06:02:00 > >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Not able to get much of that happening here. The only server station has been wb5con so far. I pick up some other calls but not sure what they are doing. Just saw kd4qcl and seconds later saw kd5umw de kd5wdq. Maybe calling each other on the same frequency? I am hoping that as I use it more, and we have an increasing number of active servers, this system could become very practical by having one program that can help with multiple needs. As I have said before, having one program that can do what otherwise would require many different programs, would make this a very useful digital system. 73, Rick, KV9U Rein Couperus wrote: > > The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... > > This is from the wiki: > Send APRS Posit > Send APRS message > Send APRS email > Send ping > Send Link packet to server > Receive APRS message > Receive short email on APRS > Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. > Set APRS Icon > Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) > Set APRS status message > GPS connection (RS232 and USB) > > ARQ terminal mode: > Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) > Send mail via ISP > List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) > Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox > Get special info depending on your location from the web like: > - tide information > - List of APRS stations > - List of messages on findu > - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location > (EU only) > - The latest wx bulletin > - Grib files for zyGrib > - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib > > etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops > determine > what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system > operators to get your specific stuff on it. > In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, > and is updated several times a day. > Any info not on the server can be called from the web > > This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: > atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 > DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 > highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 > Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 > kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 > MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 > MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 > navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 > navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 > navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 > nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 > pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 > Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 > wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 > > Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages > > I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... > > 73, > > Rein PA0R > > BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.34/2032 - Release Date: 03/31/09 > 06:02:00 > >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
> I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as > listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my > connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not > fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. > The latest version 0.3.3 ca already do a lot more... This is from the wiki: Send APRS Posit Send APRS message Send APRS email Send ping Send Link packet to server Receive APRS message Receive short email on APRS Receive weather (or other) bulletins automatically and store them. Set APRS Icon Set APRS Beacon Period (10, 30, 60 mins) Set APRS status message GPS connection (RS232 and USB) ARQ terminal mode: Get your mail from ISP (e.g. gmail) Send mail via ISP List, download and read files on the server (tell the sysop what you need) Telnet to any computer on the internet, e.g. your packet mailbox Get special info depending on your location from the web like: - tide information - List of APRS stations - List of messages on findu - For RV'ers a list of parking lots in a radius of 5 Miles from your location (EU only) - The latest wx bulletin - Grib files for zyGrib - Latest IAC fleetcode file for zyGrib etc, etc, etc... as PKSmail is a free decentralized system the sysops determine what info is available on the servers. You will have to bribe the system operators to get your specific stuff on it. In EU we got this organized so the same info is available on various servers, and is updated several times a day. Any info not on the server can be called from the web This is what you see when asking a files list from PI4TUE: atlantic 2009-04-01 10:12 8398 DL-wetter 2009-04-01 10:12 4042 highseas_uk 2009-04-01 10:12 10734 Kanal-Gibraltar 2009-04-01 10:12 61078 kueste 2009-04-01 10:12 1379 MMost 2009-04-01 10:12 22566 MMwest 2009-04-01 10:12 24980 navtex-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 1529 navtex-emden 2009-04-01 10:12 5547 navtex-rostock 2009-04-01 10:12 3469 nordostsee 2009-04-01 10:12 28575 pings.log 2009-04-01 11:25 226 Stationsmeldungen 2009-04-01 10:12 1513 wx-dutch 2009-04-01 10:12 958 Mostly information for our sailing friends, and in various languages I am sure your imagination is able to extend this list... 73, Rein PA0R BTW, when I send a ping on 10148.0 here I get 5 servers answering... -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Hi Toby, you may want to try 10.148, the server network there will let you connect from all over EU during the daytime. We see connects from Moscow, from the Cap Verde Islands, from south of Spain... 40 meters is bad because of QRM, the band being very narrow, and everybody is on top of each other... pactor, RTTY psk31... 30 meters is quiet and no contests 73, Rein PA0R > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: "Toby Burnett" > Gesendet: 31.03.09 23:38:15 > An: > Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? > Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, > could get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz. Would be ideal. I've never managed to > connect with the Swedish / German servers yet. Must be doing > something wrong!! Using JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never > connects. > > ---Original Message--- > > *From:*Andy obrien > *Date:* 31/03/2009 13:19:31 > *To:*digitalradio > *Subject:* [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? > > Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I > thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North > America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. > > Andy K3UK > > -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Wish someone would set up a UK server for testing purposes at least, could get on 7Mhz or 3.5Mhz. Would be ideal. I've never managed to connect with the Swedish / German servers yet. Must be doing something wrong!! Using JPSKMAIL RX is fine with Fldigi but never connects. ---Original Message--- From: Andy obrien Date: 31/03/2009 13:19:31 To: digitalradio Subject: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. Andy K3UK <>
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Hi Rick, Great that you decided to try out the java client, good to hear that you had some success as well. Yes, any server that receives a ping will respond. I see that WB5CON did answer your pings and that you were able to link and connect to that server. I also see that you were able to list the files at the server, wasn't many files there (only pings.log) but the listing worked :-) The server saying "Hi KV9U, pse update your record" is an indication that it lacks information about you (how to get your email for instance). You can enter settings through the options and then upload them to the server when connected. You can then access your pop email account, send email etc. You can also do stuff without updating any info on the server, browsing the web, getting camp sites, weather and much more. Much of what you can do with the java client is in the fast start pdf that came with it, you may also have a look at the wiki where much of the information about the linux client is applicable, that info is available here: http://pskmail.wikispaces.com/operation As you said the java client is not 100% complete yet and the TTY mode will be added, its on a list of things to implement :-) 73 de Per, sm0rwo From: Rick W To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:23:49 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: > Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a > server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to. >
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Rick, Thanks for you responce to my mail. Russell NC5O Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! " IN GOD WE TRUST " Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W wrote: From: Rick W Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 2:23 PM I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: > Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a > server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to. >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
I am not that knowledgeable about PSKmail yet, but from what I understand, if I go to the APRS tab and use the Ping button, any server stations on frequency that can hear me will respond back. So far, the only station that has ever responded has been WB5CON. At this moment, of the seven listed USA servers (includes Alaska), only WB5CON, KD5WDQ, and KD4QCL may be active based on the PSKmail server web status. WB5CON is about 750 miles from my location and on 30 meters that is about right for daytime propagation. The other callsign I have seen that I think is attempting to connect, or is connecting to WB5CON, is KD5UMW from TX. I am not completely understanding what you can do with PSKmail such as listing files, etc. Not much happens when I connect but maybe my connection is not good enough? I realize that the Windows version is not fully operational at this time, but it gives you a taste of the system. The peer to peer feature of PSKmail is not available so you would have to connect with a server only. The ability to connect to a peer is vital from my perspective since I am primarily interested in the public service/emergency capabilities of these kinds of systems. Otherwise, you need multiple systems for e-mail, peer to peer, local servers, etc. and it is rare to find enough hams who are willing to do this. Our local group is trying to piggyback off a "resurgence" of SSB activity here in the northern midwest U.S. to see if we can get interest in digital VHF FM using vertical polarization with Domino EX or any digital modes for that matter. If it proves possible to get some interest, we might be able to expose new hams to other alternatives. Only a tiny number have the slightest interest, but you have to start somewhere. 73, Rick, KV9U Russell Blair wrote: > Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a > server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to. >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Tnx Stelios... that is very good news, I was not aware of the Xvfb server. Some reading necssary. Most pskmail servers are indeed run headless, and remote controlled via VNC. Once they are running they need no maintenance, and the GUI uses resources which are unnecessary for the function they perform... Tnx again, some more experimenting to do :) Rein PA0R > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: "Stelios Bounanos" > Gesendet: 31.03.09 19:45:04 > An: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > CC: Rein Couperus > Betreff: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? > >>>>> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus > >>>>> said: > > > Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a > > LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) > > Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it > non-straightforward to use in "server mode". But it's possible > with a "fake" X server such as Xvfb. Excerpt from Xvfb(1): > > Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware > and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using > virtual memory. > > Here's how you'd use it with fldigi: > > ssh remote-host > Xvfb -ac :99 & > fldigi -display :99 & > > Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script > wrapper for this, xvfb-run: > > xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 > > This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's > xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other > client): > > ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 > > You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so > that the pskmail server can be run locally. > > I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using > VNC. If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may > find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use > the above method to simplify the setup somewhat. A "headless" fldigi > can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server > on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board. > > Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us > know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail. The main > thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia > parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses > these modems. > > > 73, > Stelios, M0GLD. > > > > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > > > Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
> On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:50:11 +0200, Rein Couperus > said: > Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a > LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) Fldigi needs an X11 display (on Linux/FreeBSD), which makes it non-straightforward to use in "server mode". But it's possible with a "fake" X server such as Xvfb. Excerpt from Xvfb(1): Xvfb is an X server that can run on machines with no display hardware and no physical input devices. It emulates a dumb framebuffer using virtual memory. Here's how you'd use it with fldigi: ssh remote-host Xvfb -ac :99 & fldigi -display :99 & Debian (and I expect Ubuntu as well) has a convenient shell script wrapper for this, xvfb-run: xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 This ssh command runs fldigi on a remote host and also forwards fldigi's xml-rpc port so that you can then control it with fldigi-shell (or other client): ssh -L 7362:localhost:7362 remote-host xvfb-run fldigi -display :99 You could in addition forward port 7322 to tunnel the ARQ connection so that the pskmail server can be run locally. I'm guessing that you manage the remote pskmail server and fldigi using VNC. If that's only because you need to interact with fldigi, you may find that the xml-rpc interface has all you need, and that you can use the above method to simplify the setup somewhat. A "headless" fldigi can be very useful; for example you could run a fldigi/pskmail server on a Marvell SheevaPlug or a Beagle Board. Take a look at the xml-rpc methods (fldigi --xmlrpc-list) and let us know if there's anything that could be added for pskmail. The main thing that's missing right now is functions to change RTTY and Olivia parameters (I plan to add them RSN), but I don't think pskmail uses these modems. 73, Stelios, M0GLD.
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Rick, I saw your call wile I was listening on 10.148 PSK250 is that a server your. I'm looking for a call to try to connect to. Russell Yesterday is HISTORY. Tomorrow is a MYSTERY. Today is a GIFT! Thats why its called the PRESENT! " IN GOD WE TRUST " Russell Blair (NC5O) Skype-Russell.Blair Hell Field #300 DRCC #55 30m Dig-group #693 --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Rick W wrote: From: Rick W Subject: Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 11:02 AM Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as that becomes available. If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on standby and be activated for an emergency situation. You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for consistent results. 73, Rick, KV9U Andy obrien wrote: > Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I > thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North > America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. > > Andy K3UK > >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Since so few hams need to install servers, perhaps this could be one of the rare exceptions where some of us might consider actually dedicating a computer to Linux, for this special application? Most hams here in the U.S. would likely be accessing the server with a MS Windows based OS as that becomes available. If PSKmail became popular, we might need a fair number of servers, although some could be on standby. If I understand PSKmail correctly, it is possible to set up ad hoc servers as needed. You do not have the centralized politics that is done by design with other systems. Individuals and groups use their independent judgment when and where placement is made for a server. For example, some servers could be on standby and be activated for an emergency situation. You could also use MF and NVIS type operation that is not done much with other systems although it may require a better protocol than PSK for consistent results. 73, Rick, KV9U Andy obrien wrote: > Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I > thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North > America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. > > Andy K3UK > >
Re: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server?
Yes, the server is linux only at the moment. Ultimate goal is to use a LAMP server without a GUI in future, but fldigi needs the GUI :) We may also port the server to java some time, but we have to do it step by step. BTW, it is quite easy to install a server on UBUNTU, The installation proces has been automated. Most of the trouble is to get the fldigi/trx combination running, the rest is easy. 73, Rein PA0R > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: "Andy obrien" > Gesendet: 31.03.09 14:19:31 > An: digitalradio > Betreff: [digitalradio] PSKMail Windows server? > Is the software for the PSKMAIL sever side Linux based only ? I > thought it would be useful if we had half-dozen more servers in North > America but having to run Linux may dissuade some. > > Andy K3UK > > > > > Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at > http://www.obriensweb.com/sked > > > Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- http://pa0r.blogspirit.com Announce your digital presence via our Interactive Sked Page at http://www.obriensweb.com/sked Recommended software: Winwarbler, FLDIGI, DM780, or Multipsk Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:digitalradio-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: digitalradio-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
