Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
Hi Marc, 2010/12/3 Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com Le 2010-12-02 11:27, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Why ship an installer, when it is preferred to use the package manager from your Linux distribution? For Mandriva (on the console) do the following: - go to the directory that has all the rpm packages - su - (enter password) - urpmi *.rpm That installs all packages in the necessary order, you don't have to do anything else. As alternative, it should also be possible to use the gui: (I did not test this, but it should be easily doable) - Use konqueror / nautilus / dolphin or any other file manager, change into the folder, that has all your rpms you want to install - Mark all the files you want to install - Do a right click and choose Open with Software installer - Enter your root password in the popup - Installation should be done automatically. [...] Sigrid I had actually not installed any of the language packs as I just assumed that they would work. But now that I am trying to add them I downloaded the appropriate packs of English UK and French, unpacked them and installed them. But the language don't show in the language setting in the Tools-Options. They are all for 64-bit version. Do you have a 64-bit system? 32-bit versions can be found here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86/ http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86/64-bit versions are here: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/3.3.0-beta3/rpm/x86_64/ I don't expect a 64-bit version to work on a 32-bit system. After you installed the language packs, you should be able to go to Tools Options Language Settings Languages and select there the language for your software interface, and the locale setting that suit you best (affects the decimal delimiter and default currency in Calc). The spellcheck should then also work for the selected language. That those things can take effect, you have to close LibO (including the quickstarter - if you use it) and start LibO again. Did you try this? Sigrid -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] HC issue
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.comwrote: hey guys i think i have a solution to the high contrast issue with a dark desktop theme. how come we aren't using the app selection menu from OOo? it works just fine in regards to a dark colored background. attached there are the images. one in white is the LO with a dark theme, and white app selection menu. if you high light over the text it will appear if not it vanishes into the menu due to the text being white. the other image is the OOo app selection which works just fine in regards to a dark theme. Jonathan, I didn't get any attachments. It's possible they were stripped by the list manager - Can you upload them to an image host and share the links? Thanks, -- Kevin Vermeer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] HC issue
Kevin i stumbled upon this totally by accident this is the OOo menu upon start up. it works perfectly with my dark colored theme i have. http://imagebin.ca/view/jXXsCVUY.html could what OOo has be a temporary place holder till we can get something sorted out? This fix doesn't have to make it into 3.3 but i till think this is something that should get fixed before it falls by the way side and gets forgotten. here is the LO menu with my dark theme. http://imagebin.ca/view/Zj-k0jb.html if there is an easy hack to fixing this just let me know i'm willing to contribute to the project. On 12/03/2010 02:36 PM, Kevin Vermeer wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.comwrote: hey guys i think i have a solution to the high contrast issue with a dark desktop theme. how come we aren't using the app selection menu from OOo? it works just fine in regards to a dark colored background. attached there are the images. one in white is the LO with a dark theme, and white app selection menu. if you high light over the text it will appear if not it vanishes into the menu due to the text being white. the other image is the OOo app selection which works just fine in regards to a dark theme. Jonathan, I didn't get any attachments. It's possible they were stripped by the list manager - Can you upload them to an image host and share the links? Thanks, -- Kevin Vermeer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi all, Charles-H. Schulz wrote (01-12-10 17:45) Le Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:17:16 -0200, Olivier Hallotolivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org a écrit : Some thoughts and questions from my personal experience: 1) I am a bit concerned of the definition of project: It looks like TDF will foster several software projects, which is fine for me, but then (may be I am a bit biased by OOo structure), how do we manage NLC, L10n, Marketing and other projects? Does software development include all these activities? Well, indeed you think like we're still on the Collabnet infrastructure :-) . I think we would refer to teams for L10N, marketing, etc, not projects. I was rather referring to different types of software when talking about software projects. OK, then the words Project(s) have to be replaced by Team(s) for these cases.[1] 3) About disputes: It seems that the disputes will be settled inside TDF by the BoD, then the Chairman. Question: Is it advisable, for the sake of transparency, to let the members decide as the upper instance? What do you mean? that they can pick either one of them? I guess Olivier means that one can lay an appeal at the members. 4) On conflict of interest, I personnaly prefer 20% figure instead of 30%. So it would be two instead of three members. It's possible I think... any further thoughts? Sounds better to me, yes. (No objections to the 30% for the ESC) 7) If a Member stops contributing, such that the merit criteria are no longer met, membership status will be revoked after a certain period of time. Does it means that a founding member of the TDF will be revoked if he/she does not participate on a xxx period of time? Shall we give them a honorary membership (dangerous). Honorary membership is indeed a dangerous path. But on the other hand, any member can regain its membership status after three months of continued contributions , so it's only a temporary and easily remediable issue in the scenario you're describing... Does a 'founding member' has a special status? The draft writes The Document Foundation may have trustees (founders; employees; officers; directors; and the various members of but does not explain anything about 'founders'. Regards, Cor 1] I have a track-changed odt with those comments, and some other comments I'll mention in other mails, and will send that to Charles. -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi all, I really like the remarks/ideas made by Florian. And if I got it right, most of it already is on the wiki. Few comments from my side: Florian Effenberger wrote (02-12-10 16:53) - Board of Directors: Shall we limit the number of deputies per seat to one, making it mandatory that one deputy can only be there for one seat? At the moment, it's quite openly formulated... I would not think that is really needed. - Is it safe to make four officers on a paid/remunerated basis necessary? If we have to hire four people at the beginning, it will be quite expensive... I'm not at all against paying people for their work, but at least for a transitional phase at the beginning, this might get complicated without money. Of course, the BoD can and will only hire people if there is money (I hope ;-) ) - As the BoD can appoint and nominate officers, shall we make clear the way how voting goes? Leave it to their own like, I would say. - Instead of trademark ownership as BoD duty, we should use management of trademark ownership. Otherwise, it might look like, as if the BoD was the TM owner, but actually the foundation is. +1 - Under which conditions can seats in the advisory board be re-appointed? I guess we should make this more clear. Let the companies that appoint a representative in the AB do it their way, IMO. - Regarding the conflict of interest: If we have some day lots of people employed directly by the Foundation, shall the conflict of interest rule also apply to them, i.e. only a percentage of TDF-employed people are eligible to sit in the board? I see pros and cons for that, no dedicated opinion right now. - Is it on purpose that no Officer may be in the board? It would better be avoided to have a situation where one (officer) is his/her own employer (member BoD) - 90 days is rather long for informing about elections. Maybe 45 or 60 days are enough? Is ok for me. That being said, thanks a lot for the great work, I really like it - even if my mail is rather long, no major changes included. :-) +1 And again, sorry for stepping in so late! No need never to apologise for you, Florian. (And apart from that, there are always people even later, that do not make apologies at all :-p ) Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hiho, Michael Meeks wrote (03-12-10 15:41) I added my comments in [MMEEKS: foo !] type brackets as David has done himself; directly into the wiki; there were a few things that didn't belong in there though: Firstly - I'm really hopeful reading this; it seems we're getting somewhere rather good with these bylaws, and I'm nearly happy :-) which in itself is a great achievement :-p I also really liked the Membership section preamble, most helpful; I guess we also need some spiel about the relative dislike of formal 'Roles' in the project in the Member's Roles. I don't see the need for that, and find it somehow misplaced in apiece with more then 3000 words explaining roles and responsibilities. I do not believe we should specify exactly four paid employees - I suggest we specify the two [ though even those I think are No problem to let the number four out, rather specify the roles. implementation details ], and do not mandate that they -must- be paid. Hmm, if one has to conduct the work that the BoD wants to be done in the way the BoD /ED says it has to be done, I'dd rather have them paid (is employed) then being volunteers. With regard to Sponors - GNOME had the practise of allowing like minded non-profits (such as Debian / SPI, the FSF etc.) to join the advisory board without paying fees - and they have had a very positive effect over the lifetime of that project. I suggest we add a similar section. I find this an interesting suggestion, but would rather investigate it the next year or so, seeing how our AB works, who are are core affiliates etc. Then of course there is the voting, which is still rather complex: On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 00:37 +0100, Bernhard Dippold wrote: ... the nine candidates having won the highest number of votes are deemed to have been elected ... If all nine Directors are elected at once, how should the renewal by half each year work? Quite - I'd really like everyone to be elected at once - it simplifies the work of the MC, and the structure of the community. I don't know that we expanded on the role of deputies in the document either incidentally - but hopefully they are another asset for ensuring continuity ... Ah, this interesting long standing subject :-) Having read the various ideas/comments, I support the idea of ... All seats are voted for each year in combination with no limit to the number of times one serves on the BoD. (If there is a limit to the number of times, I would vote for a different scheme, length.) Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi COr, Cor Nouws wrote on 2010-12-03 17.07: - Is it on purpose that no Officer may be in the board? It would better be avoided to have a situation where one (officer) is his/her own employer (member BoD) sure, I see that issue. However, I would take a different approach: Let a director also be a member of the BoD (and the 30% rule of members-per-employer kick in), but generally avoid decisions where people decide on their own doings, salaries and the like - that is definitely a conflict of interest and might be even not allowed by law. For the example above, where we have a good developer where it makes sense having him in the board and as officer, we can do so, don't lose his great contributions, but also avoid a conflict of interest. I clearly see the issues, but on the other hand I want to avoid we lose good people in the foundation's bodies just because of a something bad might happen clause. If we have good people, let them engage themselves. Sure, you don't need to be a member of any board or have any role to engage yourselfe, but when it comes to certain things, board membership makes things much easier. Taking the developer example: A good developer with good oversight might be very helpful in shaping the board's strategy. Florian -- Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi Charles, all, Charles-H. Schulz wrote (29-11-10 18:23) Here is the latest version of the bylaws: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws I have - some small edits, to make text more clear (IMO) - some suggestions for smaller improvements: - Chairperson and Chairman are used both for the same role. I would suggest to use Chairperson only. - I would not state that Each Sponsor's representative is appointed for a term of one (1) year but leave it to the Sponsors considerations. - for the elections of the BoD, at one place it reads that it is done by the ESC and CH, but at other places, it reads that ESC and CH can have a role in it. I would just say that they *do* have a role in it. - the word 'plaintiff' is of course right, but I guess rather unknown to non-native English speakers. Could it be simple replaces by 'accuser' or 'complainer' ? Will sent all in an .odt. Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
I see several issues in the discussion about installers - and I only just joined the list! Let's list 'em... 1. You are assuming everyone will be running Linux. They won't. 2. You assume they all have a packaged Linux distro. They won't. 3. You presume they can all grab tar's themselves. They can't. 4. You assume they will all download the package. They won't. Installers are needed because (1) you can adapt an installer to manage installation on all the systems people *will* be using, such as Windows XP, Vista, Win7 and - for some - either 32-bit or 64-bit versions; Linux using Debian-based or other installers and (2) those who have no standard installer system included; Android users and even Apple users (3) who want something that installs like an app does; even, despite the undoubted acrimony, Solaris users. Finally (4), there will be those users who buy a preconfigured or even standard virtualised system from a supplier and want both the supplier provided system and the discs to fix any problems - and for that you want a packaged product with installer and repair system to put on disc. While an installer may not be the top priority, it is undoubtedly a very important feature that needs to be present to reach the widest number of users. Mark On 03/12/2010 04:13, Sophie Gautier wrote: For years I only had a connexion in cyber cafes, so I dowloaded the tars on an external device (or sometimes several) and installed at home on my computer. I don't see what you're talking about, your distro has all what you need to install the downloaded archives and manage dependencies. The only issue that I see still existing currently is the size of the download. When you have a very slow and expensive connexion, it makes LibO very difficult to get and distribute. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hello, late, but I found it just right now. Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spudssonic4sp...@gmail.com wrote: productivity software for home and office Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 The essential office suite for home and business. For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing texts e.g.) like: LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, everywhere and with indivudial style) LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or office LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks and so on or: LibreOffice - it's just for You Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 02:41 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hi, :-) On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 02:08, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: What there is not, that I can see, is a way for the general membership to remove the board, or a particular member of the board, beyond the annual elections. Consider the following situation: The ESC makes a decision regarding the code that the BOD disagrees with and exercises their rights under the ByLaws to place the ESC under administration. Telling the ESC to either conform to the board's wishes or to disband and allow the BOD to appoint a new ESC. ... There should be a way for the membership, which through their vote is after all the source of authority exercised by the BOD, to step in and remove the board. Firstly - this would be IMO an extraordinary circumstance of course, and whatever mechanism one would put in place _must_ present a rather high hurdle in order to trigger application. Without offering any specific details on mechanics for the moment, what I'm thinking of is a way for the general membership to call for an early election of the board in such an extraordinary situation. i don't think I'd want a mechanism to go as far as discharging the BoD, Hello David, but maybe there could be a mechanism by which community members could call for a ballot to be cast on a motion put forward by concerned activists (kind of like organizing a petition)? This mechanism would then provisionally block implementation of the contentious decision until the vote has been held. The outcome of the vote would be binding. Actually I would not be in favor of this approach. I would not want to go down a path of general membership binding initiatives, the BOD, IMO, is the body to make decisions in all normal circumstances. So, this would be a highly circumscribed process with only one of two possible outcomes: There is an early election of board members or there is not. Does that help to clarify my thinking here? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
- Original Message From: Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:18:16 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package. I see several issues in the discussion about installers - and I only just joined the list! Let's list 'em... 1. You are assuming everyone will be running Linux. They won't. 2. You assume they all have a packaged Linux distro. They won't. Only the latest discussion has focused around Linux. It hasn't been the only OS discussed or assumed. 3. You presume they can all grab tar's themselves. They can't. 4. You assume they will all download the package. They won't. That should always be an option, regardless of whether people avail themselves of it. Installers are needed because (1) you can adapt an installer to manage installation on all the systems people *will* be using, such as Windows XP, Vista, Win7 and - for some - either 32-bit or 64-bit versions; Linux using Debian-based or other installers and (2) those who have no standard installer system included; Android users and even Apple users (3) who want something that installs like an app does; even, despite the undoubted acrimony, Solaris users. Finally (4), there will be those users who buy a preconfigured or even standard virtualised system from a supplier and want both the supplier provided system and the discs to fix any problems - and for that you want a packaged product with installer and repair system to put on disc. While an installer may not be the top priority, it is undoubtedly a very important feature that needs to be present to reach the widest number of users. An Installer only helps on Windows. Solaris has a packaging system; nearly all Unixes have a packaging system. Linux Distros have their own packaging systems. Fortunately, TDF/LO can focus on providing 3 Linux packages: debian, rpm, slackware, source tarball Nearly every Linux distro will provide its own package according to its own packaging system; but those above will meet everyone else. Most non-Developer Linux Users only install what is in or is compatible with the packaging system their distro uses. Mac also has a packaging system which is pretty much a zip file with all the relevant files contained therein. (Not really, that's just a good simplified description.) All Mac targeted software is installed that way - the exception likely being the OS and its relations (e.g. drivers). That is simply the Mac-way and Mac users will expect that. iOS and Android are not being targetted (from what I can tell) and LO/OOo would be far too big for them right now any how. They also each have a standard method of installation - the AppStore and Android MarketPlace. So again, no separate installer is necessary there. So, really the _only_ platform an installer is really necessary on is Windows, which is the _only_ platform without a standard packaging system or installation method. Yes, Windows has the Microsoft Windows Installer System (MSI files), but it's still never had a standard installation method. Ben -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Updated draft of the Community Bylaws
Hi Drew, drew wrote (03-12-10 19:08) What there is not, that I can see, is a way for the general membership to remove the board, or a particular member of the board, beyond the annual elections. [...] Without offering any specific details on mechanics for the moment, what I'm thinking of is a way for the general membership to call for an early election of the board in such an extraordinary situation. Any thoughts from others on this point? Thanks a lot for this comment. Though I expect the change that your example becomes reality is pretty small, I think the proposed possibility for the members to call on the BoD on their responsibility, should be a part of the by-laws. Regards, Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
2010/12/3 Johannes A. Bodwing jo...@arcor.de Hello, late, but I found it just right now. Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spudssonic4sp...@gmail.com wrote: productivity software for home and office Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 The essential office suite for home and business. For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing texts e.g.) like: LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, everywhere and with indivudial style) Este suena bien LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real Un poco mas pequeño LibreOffice - make your ideas real LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or office LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks and so on or: LibreOffice - it's just for You Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.
On 12/02/2010 11:57 AM, BRM wrote: - Original Message From: Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com I remember that optical disks started to replace floppies in about 1995 because Win-95 came either way. Win-98 was CD only. I will admit that DVD burners didn't become affordable until about 2005, but most of what I built in 2000 through 2004 had either a CD burner and a DVD read only, or from 2003 on combo drives, CD burn, DVD read only. But my point here is that 2004 and older machines are horribly obsolete today, and the vast majority of them have been scrapped! Also most of these old clunkers are only found in the more technologically advanced countries, because the 3rd world countries didn't start to get computers in any significant numbers until after the time of the old floppy based machines. FYI - there are a lot of organizations that take any computer they can - regardless of age - and refurb it and ship it to 3rd world countries so that some people can simply _have_ a computer. Doesn't matter that it's 10 or 15 years old - as long as it runs and runs well. They'll find a configuration that will run on it. Granted, most of such computer do meet the trash can; but they are out there and should not be discounted. :-) All of my systems, with the exception of my laptop, came from organisations (schools, businesses, etc) that were told that they needed to upgrade their hardware to run the latest greatest WinXYZ OS. A little cleanup, add some memory on occasion a larger hard drive, load linux, done. My old obsoletes run just fine in many cases run considerably better than out-of-the-box low level system. Most are 2.4Ghz/1-4Gib. Only issue is that the price of old memory can sometimes be prohibitive. As for shipping to 3rd world countries... I take at least 2-3 recycled systems each year give them to local students/families that can't afford a system. Of course I also include OOo will include LO once stable. No need to ship to 3rd world countries... there are plenty of kids/families/senior centers, etc., (and I live in a pretty wealthy area) local that are happy to get them. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
Another topic ignored? Maybe a mailing list isn't the right tool... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-is-LO-OOo-so-slow-loading-a-spreadsheet-tp2006665p2014877.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
On Fri Dec 03 2010 15:39:35 GMT-0800 (PST) plino wrote: Another topic ignored? Maybe a mailing list isn't the right tool... Maybe the right list would help. Try the users list, us...@libreoffice.org or ask the developers, libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org . Since I have no means for testing MSO I can not confirm or deny your statements. I am quite sure that OOo/LibO could use a lot of work to improve things. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
Maybe the right list would help. Try the users list, [hidden email] or ask the developers, [hidden email] . That is exactly my point. In a forum,anyone could answer. In a mailing list I have to subscribe to ALL and guess on which the subject fits better. I think this is a general discussion on LO and ODF optimization. Not something I would consider a User question or a Dev problem... Since I have no means for testing MSO I can not confirm or deny your statements. I am quite sure that OOo/LibO could use a lot of work to improve things. You can test Gnumeric which is also FLOSS and confirm the difference in loading times... Of course the actual times depend on your system. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Why-is-LO-OOo-so-slow-loading-a-spreadsheet-tp2006665p2015230.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Why is LO/OOo so slow loading a spreadsheet?
On Fri Dec 03 2010 16:19:49 GMT-0800 (PST) plino wrote: Maybe the right list would help. Try the users list, [hidden email] or ask the developers, [hidden email] . That is exactly my point. In a forum,anyone could answer. In a mailing list I have to subscribe to ALL and guess on which the subject fits better. I think this is a general discussion on LO and ODF optimization. Not something I would consider a User question or a Dev problem... The forums that I visit also have things broken down by what it applies to. You would get better/more answers by posting to a forum that way as well. I look at most all new post but from what I have seen not everyone does, and see this type of reply on the forums as well. Since I have no means for testing MSO I can not confirm or deny your statements. I am quite sure that OOo/LibO could use a lot of work to improve things. You can test Gnumeric which is also FLOSS and confirm the difference in loading times... Of course the actual times depend on your system. Send me a copy of the file used and I will gladly run it and see what I times I come up with. I have two Ubuntu machines and an XP laptop that I can run it one. Andy -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Vision/Mission
Hi Johannes, Omar On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Omar Paz omarp...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/12/3 Johannes A. Bodwing jo...@arcor.de Hello, late, but I found it just right now. Hi, :-) On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 12:20, Sonic4Spudssonic4sp...@gmail.com wrote: productivity software for home and office Corel calls Word Perfect Office X5 The essential office suite for home and business. Maybe that is why I haven't seen Word Perfect installed on a machine locally (State Of Ohio US) since 1998. The users I know think MSO when they see the words essential office suite. For LO I think, it has to hook up into the real working of users; that means what users realy do with Office-Software (realize ideas, writing texts e.g.) like: LibreOffice is The (Software)Collection to create your ideas (everytime, everywhere and with indivudial style) Este suena bien LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to make your ideas real Un poco mas pequeño LibreOffice - make your ideas real LibreOffice - The (Software)Collection to realize your ideas in home or office LibreOffice - Software for fine Workings in Text and Graphik LibreOffice - Fine Software to improve your Work LibreOffice - One more step to better Texts and Graphiks and so on or: LibreOffice - it's just for You IMO, this is one hits closer to home for American users. They like things that are designed just for them individually, in reality or implied. Americans are a possessive bunch. That is why their is so much hardware, software and websites named in the possessive. Think... Me, My, Mine. I am sure you have noticed MS goes overboard with My... My... My... Like: LibreOffice - Designed For You or maybe Ubuntu style: LibreOffice - Designed For People Go LibO ;) lpcoch Johannes -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org discuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%252bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bh...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Archive: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
