Re: [tdf-discuss] outdated LibreOffice Portable (MS Windows)
Hello, Edmund Laugasson wrote on Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:12:02 +0300: Would like to mention that by going to https://www.libreoffice.org/download/portable-versions/ there is still v6.1.0 but already second version 6.1.2 is out. Does anyone have an information - will be there newer versions for portable MS Windows version? At the same time I would like to say big thanks of allowing us to use up-to-date AppImage version in Linux. thanks for pointing out! John from PortableApps has created 6.1.2 and it will be available on our mirrors soon. :-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[tdf-discuss] 2014 annual report
Hello, within the next couple of days, I will start the selection of content for our annual report, which - for the first time - will be published in English and German in parallel, and be shorter than the previous one, to have an easy-to-handout document for events, tradeshows and marketing purposes. To have enough time to work on both versions in parallel, I have to close down the data collection rather soon, but no later than immediately after FOSDEM. So, in case there's something exciting you want to share from your 2014 projects, please don't hesitate to add some keywords or even complete paragraphs to http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/annualreport After I have started collecting information, it will be much harder, if not impossible, to fit new items in. Submissions in English, French and German are possible. Any help is very much welcome - help us show our community, supporters and donors what we have done and achieved! Thanks a lot for your help! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Impossible to unsubscribe
Hello, adept techlists - kazar wrote on 2014-12-22 at 16:49: Wow, formatting got completely screwed up between Thunderbird on my end and the listserv on the other. I hope this is more clear: just briefly, am already on vacation - sorry for the troubles, you have been manually unsubscribed now. For details, see https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/969 Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Happy Birthday, TDF!
Dear community, allow me some personal words on this very special day: Happy Birthday, Document Foundation! It's unbelievable that it's already been two years. Two years to the day, The Document Foundation (TDF) was created as a stable, safe, secure, independent and longlasting entity, by the community, for the community, with strong values and ideals. Two years later, the LibreOffice community is one of the most vivid, valued and recognized free software projects, with truly wonderful and fantastic friends and contributors around the world, and has grown way beyond our dreams. I would like to personally thank all of you for making possible what looked impossible two years ago - you all truly rock, and all of you made TDF what it is today. I'm very proud and truly honoured to be part of this project, and to have been given a chance to shape it from the very beginning. It has been an interesting, exciting and unforgettable time for me, and I am looking forward to the next years, because a bright future is ahead of us. The new board, who will be on duty from tomorrow on, I wish all the very best for guiding TDF through the next two years. I am more than confident that we have wonderfully experienced, engaged and highly motivated contributors, who will take the right decisions at the right time to the very best of our community. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF freelance job openings
Hello, I wanted to remind all of you that TDF currently has freelance job openings posted, seeking: (1) an administrative assistant (2) a web graphics designer All details as well as the deadlines are available at http://blog.documentfoundation.org/category/freelance-job-openings/ Yours, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] This site is experiencing technical difficulties
Hello, Tae Wong wrote on 2013-10-15 20:18: Every time you try to visit wiki a message says that “This site is experiencing technical difficulties”. that was due to a load problem on the server. See http://www.mail-archive.com/website@global.libreoffice.org/msg11770.html for details. Sorry for the inconveniences, Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference - Registration is now open
Dear community, in less than four weeks, the LibreOffice Conference 2013 will take place in Milan, Italy. LibOCon is the global and annual event for the whole LibreOffice community and ecosystem, with creators, adopters and users meeting and gathering, exchanging ideas and thoughts. After the Call for Papers has been finished, we are currently working hard to prepare the schedule out of those many great proposals we have received. In order to help the organizers with their plannings, we today ask you to register if you want to take part in this year's conference. This helps us in estimating the amount of attendants and ensuring that enough capacities are available for everyone. We also need this information to send you last-minute updates via e-mail. Registering is easy - just send an e-mail to confere...@libreoffice.org and state: 1. your first and last name 2. your e-mail address 3. your organization/affiliation, if applicable 4. your IRC nickname, if you want Participation at the conference will cost 10 € per person, payable directly at the venue, which helps the local organizers in producing required material. Looking forward to seeing you in Milan! On behalf of the community Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Add a Remember me check-box to the wiki log-in page!
Hello, Tae Wong wrote on 2013-07-08 13:36: Please add a Remember me check-box to the wiki log-in page so that you will never get logged out! Note that you want to subscribe to this mailing list. thanks for your feedback! I'll add the website list to the discussion. I've disabled password storing on purpose, as this usually leads to people leaving open their accounts and others abusing them, like in internet cafés. However, maybe I'm just too paranoid and touchy here. ;-) What do others think? Is this is a good feature to enable? Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] dialling in via Google Hangouts
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2013-05-16 13:16: Yep - I'd love to migrate us to a google hangout; we should get some quality webcam hardware for everyone to make that easier. from a technical POV, also a good headset comes in handy, to avoid the echoe... Otherwise, sure, why not combine both elements, classical phone and Google Hangouts. Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fostering project internal communication
Hello, sorry for spamming all the lists, but in the light of recent events and discussions, I'd like to make all of you aware of an important mailing list, that so far has not been used as extensively as it should be, which led to some frustration and communication issues. As part of our mission to foster the project internal communication, I'd like to tell you about our so called projects mailing list, which Sophie initiated quite a while ago, and which should be used for communication amongst the various projects - e.g. design and marketing, development and marketing, UX and development, and the like. The list's intention is not to be a gossip list where everything should be thrown at, but to make all affected projects aware of important changes. Philosophy: Low traffic, but important topics. Some examples are: Change of version numbers, a new slogan, design changes, new products. In other words: Everything that has an impact on other areas of working than the one where the change originally comes from. If one team decides LibreOffice will now be called different, and has a shiny new colour, surely marketing should know in time. Well, a bit of a made up example, but you get the point... ;-) We have seen some unpleasant events in the past, that based on my experience, are mostly due to the lack of communication, or due to miscommunication. To avoid that in the future, I'd like to call out to everyone of you, if you are active in one of the subprojects, to also join this mailing list by sending an empty e-mail to projects+subscr...@global.libreoffice.org and following the instructions mailed back. At least one or two representatives from *each* project should join this list, to act as a gateway. I will soon follow up further with some details and topics that have reached me the past weeks, and how we could solve them. Again, sorry for spamming, and have a great weekend! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Seeking for list moderators
Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either "moderate through", or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] still feedback needed for TDF annual report
Hello, this is just a nice reminder that if you have some time over the weekend, and some good material for our annual report, feel free to send it in. Being sick the past couple of days, I didn't start writing yet, but am still collecting material, so you would be just in time. ;-) Thanks, and have a nice weekend, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] feedback needed for TDF annual report
Hello, one of the legal requirements of running a foundation is to send in an annual report. In fact, it's two reports: One financial report, which mostly Thorsten takes care of (thanks so much!), and one activity report, which is mostly on my desk at the moment. We need to list all activities we have done, all milestones achieved, and hand that over to the authorities, to show that we have been doing what's outlined in our statutes, and that we were active and not just collected money. ;-) This report is due end of April, and to be in time and have some reserve for changes and translations, the board wants to approve it end of March (!) already. It must be formally approved by the board. I will look at the announce mailing list as well as the blog, but the more material I receive, the better it is. So, today, I would like to ask everyone in the community for feedback: - What major achievements have you done? - What events did you participate in? - Did you get new contributors, donors, supporters? - Did you participate in any third-party projects on behalf of LibreOffice? - What were your highlights of the previous year? In a nutshell: We are about to write a review of our first year as foundation. The good news is, we have been very active. ;-) The report will be public, so please only send in information that is meant for the general public. It does not need to be too technical, so rather than telling "we have implemented function XYZ, improved API functions ABC" and so on, make it understandable for a wide audience. So we can collect all documents in one place, please send your feedback directly to i...@documentfoundation.org (I am not subscribed to all mailing lists). Images, videos, slides and other materials are highly welcome as well. You would *really* help me a lot if you could send already some written text I can work with, but if that's not possible, some keywords are ok as well. 2012 was an exciting and very successful year for TDF, so let's present this to the public - thank you for your cooperation on this! Thanks a lot! Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Dual licensing of patches and code
Hi Jim, Jim Jagielski wrote on 2013-03-06 16:05: I have a patch which is written for LibreOffice. However, I want to provide that patch to LO under both LGPLv3 AND ALv2. Based *solely* on the fact that it is dual-licensed and nothing else, is such a patch acceptable. as our licensing page states, in order to contribute to LibreOffice and be part of our community, we require a dual-license of MPL/LGPLv3+ for contributions, which gives everyone the benefit of the strong rights these licenses grant. From time to time, depending on the specific case and the quality of the code, we may use and merge other licensed pieces of code with compatible licenses. We examine each case, depending on its merits. And this is not a theoretical question. I have been approached by people and companies stating that they wish to help LO but want to provide their code patches also under ALv2 (for internal legal reasons) and have been told that TDF and LO refuses to accept such code/patches/etc *simply* because it is dual/triple/quadruple licensed under the ALv2 In theory, code under a triple license is just as acceptable. In practice, however, TDF has hundreds of affiliated developers working as a team together, doing the actual code review and acceptance work. There is a spectrum of developer opinion on your nurturing of a competing project. Many core developers may be less inclined to invest their time into significant, active assistance: mentoring, reviewing, finding code pointers, merging, back porting, and so on, for functionality that will not provide a distinctive value for LibreOffice. So, while there may be many possible acceptable variations of inbound license and contributions, there are likely relational consequences of those choices that are hard to quantify. Having said that, all developers who want to contribute constructively to LibreOffice are welcome in our community, and we have a high degree of flexibility to fulfill their genuine needs. The best thing to do is just to point them to our developers list. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Dual licensing of patches and code
Hello Jim, while it is hard to understand the problem, in principle, with using any combination of licenses in addition to the project's preferred LGPLv3/MPLv2 dual license, do you have a patch or proposal for a patch submitted to the dev mailing list that we can look at? Best, Florian Jim Jagielski wrote on 2013-03-06 16:05: Thanks for the reply, but the policy doesn't answer my specific question. I have a patch which is written for LibreOffice. However, I want to provide that patch to LO under both LGPLv3 AND ALv2. Based *solely* on the fact that it is dual-licensed and nothing else, is such a patch acceptable. Dropping OpenOffice since they have already indicated that the answer for them is YES. And this is not a theoretical question. I have been approached by people and companies stating that they wish to help LO but want to provide their code patches also under ALv2 (for internal legal reasons) and have been told that TDF and LO refuses to accept such code/patches/etc *simply* because it is dual/triple/quadruple licensed under the ALv2. tia. On Mar 5, 2013, at 3:08 PM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hello Jim, thank you for your e-mail. You'll find TDF's policy on this subject here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/License_Policy Best, Florian Jim Jagielski wrote on 2013-03-05 18:32: -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Dual licensing of patches and code
Hello Jim, thank you for your e-mail. You'll find TDF's policy on this subject here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/License_Policy Best, Florian Jim Jagielski wrote on 2013-03-05 18:32: On Mar 5, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: So far, I've rec'd an answer from AOO... I'd appreciate an answer from TDF as well. On Mar 4, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: BTW, Please be sure that I'm on the CC list, so I get any and all responses :) On Mar 4, 2013, at 8:08 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Hello there. This Email is being directed to the 2 controlling bodies of the Apache OpenOffice Project and LibreOffice (TDF). You will notice that I am sending this from my non-ASF account. Recently, at various conferences, I have been approached by numerous people, both 100% volunteer as well as more "corporate" affiliated, wondering if it was OK for them to submit code, patches and fixes to both AOO and LO at the same time. In general, these people have code that directly patches LO but they also want to dual-license the code such that it can also be consumed by AOO even if it requires work and modification for it to be committed to, and folded into, the AOO repo. My response has always been that as the orig author of their code/patches/whatever, they can license their contributions as they see fit. However, I have been told that they have rec'd word that such dual-licensed code would not be accepted by, or acceptable to, either the AOO project and/or LO and/or TDF and/or the ASF. Therefore, I am asking for official confirmation from both projects and both entities that both projectsSo are fully OK with accepting code/patches/etc that are licensed in such a way as to be 100% consumable by both projects. For example, if I have a code patch which is dual-licensed both under LGPLv3 and ALv2, that such a patch would be acceptable to both LO and AOO. Thank you. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] renaming @documentfoundation.org mailing lists
Hello, quite a while ago, we have renamed the @libreoffice.org mailing lists to @global.libreoffice.org for technical reasons. I'd now like to do the same for the @documentfoundation.org mailing lists, namely - announce - board-discuss - discuss - mirrors - moderators - test The reason behind is that I'd like to split up our mail system into two instances for reasons of load balancing and security. One should contain all private mailing lists as well as e-mail accounts, the other one should contain all public mailing lists. The fact that all our communication tools are on one system at the moment is quite unfortunate. At @documentfoundation.org, we not only host public mailing lists, but also e-mail accounts. One way to achieve the distinction on the server side is to create a forwarding/transport in the mail system, but I'm not a friend of that, it has a few drawbacks. The other option is to rename the list part, and - like we did with libreoffice.org before - use @global.documentfoundation.org in the future, so each subdomain can be attached to its own MX record (mail server). Before doing such a change that affects many users, I wanted to ask about your opinion. From a technical point of view, it is IMHO the best solution. Agreeably, it is a bit annoying to update all the website elements and links, and we can do the rename with enough time in advance, but would you generally support this approach? Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Re: [tdf-members] TDF Budget as of 2013-02-19
Hello, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2013-02-19 15:27: I know you have talked about the budget for a long time, but ... What about budget for travel costs, fairs etc., what about budget for the next conference or so? Or is this with the marketing request? for travel refunds, we mostly ask SPI to step in. They collect money for the LibreOffice project, like many other associations do, and offer to fund travel for many events. It's at their sole discretion, since it's their money, but it works very well. They have collected roughly between 25.000 and 30.000 USD for the LibreOffice project at the moment, so foreseeing a travel refund item at TDF is no real necessity. Florian
[board-discuss] Re: TDF Budget as of 2013-02-19
Hello, a quick update: I managed to extract numbers from ConCardis, it's 3.809,38 € currently. As this doesn't change the budget heavily, I'll not send out a new PDF, the rough numbers stay the same anyways. Florian
[tdf-discuss] TDF Budget as of 2013-02-19
Hello, for tomorrow's BoD call, one action item is to approve the first iteration of our 2013 budget. First iteration means that this will be the budget we will work with for the next few months. Of course we can adjust later on, but we should stick to the parameters. Sadly, our credit card provider's interface is offline at the moment, so I cannot extract the pending payments (which, from a gut feeling, must be somewhere between 1.000 and 3.000 €). Anyways, here is the up-to-date budget, including all requests: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Tdfbudget2013.pdf Please file your wishes and requests no later than 24 hours from now on, writing to board-disc...@documentfoundation.org, so it can be considered for tomorrow's board call, taking place at 1600 UTC. Of course, you are all welcome to join the call, since this is a public one. All details are available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings As to the budget itself, I am thinking of enhancing the reserve to 20.000 €. We are doing more, which raises the risk, so some safety reserve can't harm. However, I'm undecided on that yet. For the infra side, I will recalculate the request, just to be sure, and will also proof-read other items. If you spot any mistake in the budget, or have any concrete request, please, again, file your wishes and requests no later than 24 hours from now on, writing to board-disc...@documentfoundation.org, so it can be considered for tomorrow's board call. Thanks, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Happy Birthday, Document Foundation!
Hello everyone, exactly one year ago, February 17th 2012, The Document Foundation was established as a charitable Foundation under German law (gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts). So far, it has proven to be the ideal entity for reflecting the LibreOffice's community needs. I am proud and honoured to be part of this project, part of this community, and part of TDF. I would like to thank all of you who have contributed to the success of our common goal - all developers, marketeers, localizers, administrators, designers, testers, donors, adopters, users and everyone else involved. You have made possible what the community has been dreaming of for a decade, and we all can be excited about the future! Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Reminder: FOSDEM travel requests
Hello, I'd like to file the FOSDEM travel requests late next week, so I'd just like to remind all of you to send your requests to treasu...@documentfoundation.org soon. For details, see my last e-mail at http://www.mail-archive.com/projects@global.libreoffice.org/msg00826.html Thanks, and have a nice weekend, Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] L10n QA budget request
Hi, Sophie Gautier wrote on 2013-01-29 20:10: Request --- One month/man. The request have to be completed by Petr or YiFan because I can't find the mail again (sorry) but last we discussed this I recall for one month/man to achieve the localization capabilities of Moztrap. for proper planning, is there any rough cost estimation? "one month/man" is a bit vague... ;-) Florian
Re: [board-discuss] Development Budget Request
Hi, Thorsten Behrens wrote on 2013-01-29 18:25: We looked into some offers, and it seems e.g. Hetzner's EX4 is economical in terms of spec/price ratio http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex4 , and goes for 49.00 € / month including VAT. [..] In total, the request would be, for 2013, a budget of ** 8.000,00 € ** for this setup (plan is to start with one EX4 and then ramp it up, thus we don't incur the full cost in the first months). Is a Gigabit connection required for the machines? I doubt, but wanted to clarify, since that would add 39 € per month per machine. Plus, dues the above sum take into account the fee of a Windows Server license for those machines? Since we cannot bootstrap this on our own (i.e. cannot install a separatedly bought Windows license), and virtualization is not desired, we need to take Hetzner's offer here, which costs 15 € per month for web edition and 25 € per month for standard edition. Florian
[board-discuss] Reminder: BoD call tomorrow
Hello, despite busy times with the 4.0 release, we have a regular board meeting scheduled for tomorrow, Wednesday, 1600 UTC. Dial-in details and editable agenda are available at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint
[tdf-discuss] FOSDEM travel refunds
Hello, earlier this year, the board has approved a budget for FOSDEM travel refunds. If you have attended FOSDEM, and want to get reimbursed, please send the receipts to treasu...@documentfoundation.org (do NOT reply to this list!), alongside the required form. Hotel costs and transportation costs can be refunded, while other expenses like food can usually not be refunded. Exceptions can be granted only in rare occasions on a case-by-case basis. The instructions as well as the required forms are available in our wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Policies/Refunding, section "Refunding via SPI". While it looks rather formal, please don't be shy. ;-) TDF is happy to support its volunteers, and FOSDEM is considered an important event, so you are welcome to apply for refunding. If you have questions, feel free to poke the treasurer alias. Florian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] 2013 budget draft - TDF Budget as of 2013-01-14
Hello, between Christmas and New Year, I have been working on the budget for 2013. The good news is that since our fundraising campaign in October, we have received approximately 60.000 € (!) in donations, which is just amazing, and the average donation rate per month shifted from 2.500 € to about 10.000-15.000 €. Congratulations to everyone involved, you all can be very proud of that! A few comments to this very first draft of the budget, that we would like to refine together with you. - All counters are reset to zero, which is why at a first glance, the available money looks less than last year. In the December budget, only one monthly rate for our infrastructure was left, while for 2013, full 12 months are planned in. - The item of domain names was previously left uncounted, but I calculated our annual fees yesterday, and added that value. - This budget only plans in the TDF Berlin account money, not the donations SPI collected for the LibreOffice project. The most recent SPI treasurer's report I could find is linked in the header of the budget. - Travel fundings usually occur via SPI, not via the TDF Berlin account, which is why we did not plan them in as fixed item in this budget. - The safety reserve is based on my gut feeling. It might make sense to top that up to 20.000 € to be prepared for unexpected spendings, but for the moment, I'd like to leave it at 15.000 €. - This budget does not yet foresee any reserves for 2014, which we should collect already early on, since nobody knows how the donation flow will continue. - The budget can always only factor in the amount we definitely do have. For planning of long-term projects, it might make sense to have a "prospective budget" soon, to know what - given the donation flow stays as it currently is - we have available in e.g. June. However, keep in mind that budgets can never ever be on prospective amounts, but must fit to what we definitely have available for spending. - The values outside the yellow frame are planned in and/or booked already, and the budget requests we have received so far are in the yellow, framed box. The latter are the items we need to plan and discuss about. To give a better overview, I have uploaded the current budget draft to our wiki at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Tdfbudget2013.pdf Any feedback welcome, and thanks a lot to everyone for their contributions! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Booking FOSDEM hotel
Hello, for those of you attending FOSDEM, be advised to book your hotel in time. :-) The "traditional" FOSDEM hotel is the Astrid at Place du Samedi. Based on my experience, it helps to book via HRS, as they have pretty good conditions, and direct hotel booking might be more expensive. Remember that our DevRoom is on Sunday this year, so it might be advisable to return on Monday, at least if you have a longer travel... Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Last call: Hackfest travel refunds
Hello, this is a last call to send your travel refund requests for the Munich Hackfest to treasu...@documentfoundation.org as soon as possible. I'd like to initiate payments early next year, so participants have their money in time. If you have questions, feel free to poke me directly offlist. ;-) Thanks, and have a good start into the new year, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Personal wishes at the end of the year
Dear friends,
Dear community,
the end of the year 2012 is approaching with large steps, and in most
countries around the globe, whether they celebrate Christmas or not, the
holiday season has just begun. People meeting with old friends, their
families, their beloved ones, thinking about what has happened in the
past twelve months, and looking forward to what is to come the next 365
days.
For the LibreOffice community, The Document Foundation and also me
personally, the current year has been an extraordinarily exciting one.
One year ago, we weren't sure whether our plan to set up TDF in Berlin
the way we wanted it to be - independent, meritocratic, open and
transparent - would work out, or whether we had to redecide for another
country. Shortly before Christmas, we received several concerns we had
to address, but as all of you know, luckily everything went well, and on
February 17th, The Document Foundation was finally incorporated in
Berlin, marking not only a milestone in the history of free office
suites, but also, I dare to say, in the history of foundations under
German law ("Stiftung").
Since the creation of our very own legal entity, the LibreOffice project
has seen a massive boost in activity once again. Individuals,
governments and corporations from around the world have a rapidly
growing interest in what we do, how we do, and how we govern ourselves.
The LibreOffice community has been invited to dozens of events around
the world, giving speeches, talking to major stakeholders, and, most
important, fascinated more and more people to become a part of our
community. This October, we have gathered in Berlin and celebrated a
wonderful conference at the physical hometown of The Document
Foundation, which to me marked the highlight of this year.
I am very proud for being part of this community. Exciting times are
behind us, and even more exciting times are ahead. When we started TDF
more than two years ago, one of our strongest wishes was to keep this
spirit and this momentum we have seen during the very first days - and
today, I feel this spirit and this momentum have even grown further and
continue to drive us day by day.
I would like to thank all of you personally for what you have
contributed to LibreOffice, The Document Foundation and free and open
source software at large. I am honoured to be part of the free office
community since summer 2004, and still, I am fascinated day by day to
see this activity all over the world, people dedicating their heart and
their passion to work on our common goal. In all those years, I not only
met fantastic colleagues, but even more, true friends.
We can all be proud and thankful for what we have achieved, and can
anticipate the year 2013 with confidence, as great times are ahead - the
best is yet to come.
I wish all of you a wonderful holiday season, lots of time to spend with
your beloved ones, time to recreate your soul and to relax, and time for
those things in life that are truly important. Have a wonderful start
into the new year, with lots of joy, health, success and luck, to
achieve your goals and make your dreams come true.
On behalf of millions of LibreOffice users worldwide, and very
personally, thank you very much for everything you do, and looking
forward to be working with you in the next year!
Merry Christmas, and a Happy New Year!
Florian
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Hello, thank you very much, and welcome to the lists! :-) One quick note: I have modified your proposal in one aspect - I removed the phone numbers. I wasn't sure whether you are comfortable having those in public. The rest of the proposal is, of course, unmodified. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Hackfest travel refund
Hello everyone, as I've just managed to arrange the travel refunds for the Conference, it's now time to take care of the Hackfest. ;-) In case you want to apply for a travel refund for the Hackfest, please send 1. your travel receipt 2. your hotel receipt 3. the form at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:SPI_reimbursement_request.pdf (*please* ask your bank what needs to be filled in, most likely *not* your normal bank data!) to treasu...@documentfoundation.org for consideration. In total, the board has approved 3.000 € for the Hackfest, and is happy to consider valid travel requests. If possible, please send your requests in before Christmas, so we can close this in 2012. :-) Thanks a lot, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference 2013 Proposals
Following our public call for locations, [1] The Document Foundation has received the following two proposals for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2013, in alphabetical order: * Milan, Italy Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [2] * Montreal, Canada Read the original proposal in PDF format here. [3] The Document Foundation would like to thank all proponents for their support, which is truly appreciated! Soon, we will start a public vote to determine the location of the 2013 Conference. In the meantime, we invite the community to discuss with the proponents on our discuss mailing list [4] any questions they have. Thanks again, and looking forward to seeing you in 2013! [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation [2] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/milan2013.pdf [3] http://documentfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/montreal2013.pdf [4] http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss@documentfoundation.org/info.html -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF Budget as of 2012-12-06
TDF Budget as of 2012-12-06 This is a non-binding draft. ConCardis is subject to conversion rates and fees. Empty fields declare either no spending, or amount already booked. For SPI, incl. AB fees, see http://lists.spi-inc.org/pipermail/spi-general/2012-September/003100.html Incoming Bank account 83.447,62 € Credit card account 311,69 € PayPal 299,10 € Flattr 177,51 € ConCardis (not taken into account) Outgoing one-time fees LibOCon videos -1.600,00 € Private BoD decision -1.350,00 € Outgoing recurring fees, extrapolated to the rest of the year Servers and bandwith -750,50 € Mail forwarding service -178,50 € ConCardis fees -73,50 € SIP line -50,70 € Tax advisory (est.) -1.500,00 € Authority fees -150,00 € Authority fees reserve -621,47 € INCOMING TOTAL 84.235,92 € OUTGOING TOTAL -6.274,67 € TOTAL BALANCE 77.961,25 € SAFETY RESERVE -15.000,00 € BUDGET 62.961,25 € -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Reminder: Public board call this Wednesday
Hello, this is just a short reminder that next Wednesday, November 28th, at 1600 UTC, the next public Board of Directors call takes place. Dial-in details are available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings#Dial-in_Details The agenda, where you can add items you want to talk about, is available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings#Agenda The call is public, and the community is invited to take part. Looking forward to hearing you, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Jabber: flo...@jabber.org | SIP: flo...@iptel.org The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
Hi, Florian Monfort wrote on 2012-10-12 18:00: I understand your point, but don't you have the feeling that every "big thing" happens in October ? CeBIT is in March, OSCON is in July, several Brazilian Conferences are IMHO in September. All of them are big things. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [board-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
Hi, Florian Monfort wrote on 2012-10-12 17:20: What I think we should do : switch to a date in the year when we know there will be nothing else. We can't keep on confronting the others and keep on dealing with the fact that so many people are already busy. Making sure we can gather everyone from as much places as possible. WHat do you think ? I fear this is nearly impossible. I do see the problem, but we are a global community, and I don't know of a single month where nowhere in the world there's an important conference taking place. At the beginning of the year, I started to compile an event calendar, and it was cluttered every week with events and tradeshows... Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
Hi, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2012-10-12 16:00: Unfortunately, the response so far has been rather silent. Therefore, I propose we extend the deadline, normally ending next Monday, by one and a half months, effectively December 1st, 2013, 23:59 UTC seems I've seen Back to the Future recently... ;-) Of course, that should read December 1st, 2012, 23:59 UTC Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] extending CfL deadline for LibOCon 2013
Hello, as most of you know, there is currently a Call for Locations running for the LibreOffice Conference 2013: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation Unfortunately, the response so far has been rather silent. Therefore, I propose we extend the deadline, normally ending next Monday, by one and a half months, effectively December 1st, 2013, 23:59 UTC Any objections to that? We should also use the extended phase to ask the local communities to send in their proposals. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference - registration deadline ends tomorrow
Hello everyone, just about one more week, and this years' LibreOffice Conference takes place in Berlin. I would like to remind you that the *deadline* for the registration ends tomorrow, Monday, October 8th, 2012, at 21:59 UTC If you want to attend the conference, and didn't register so far, we urge you to do so within the deadline at http://conference.libreoffice.org/registration The LibreOffice Conference 2012 takes places in a public building of German ministries, and without proper registration, you can *not* enter the event. So, in your own interest, please ensure you meet the deadline. In case you do not want to attend the conference yet, I'd like to advertise a bit more. :) Our program committee has invested lots of time to make this conference an unforgettable, noteworthy event, and we are proud to have a program with a vivid mixture of development, community, marketing, infrastructure and many other working areas of the LibreOffice project: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LiboCon2012.pdf Last but not least, this is your chance to meet the faces behind the LibreOffice community: developers, marketeers, admins, localizers, documentation writers, designers and many, many more. We'll all have a great time in Berlin, and want you to be a part of it! Taking place at the conference center of the Federal Ministry of Economics and Technology (BMWi), and sponsored by leading players Canonical, Google and SerNet, it is not only the annual gathering of the worldwide community, but also meeting point for governmental and corporate adopters and innovators. Looking forward to meeting you in Berlin! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Conference 2013 Call for Locations
Hello, this message is to remind you that the Call for Locations for the LibreOffice Conference 2013 will end in two weeks, on October 15th, 23:59 UTC. All details can be found in the original announcement [1] as well as in our wiki page. [2] We are looking forward to proposals where to host the next conference, so spread the word in your local communities. :-) LibreOffice is a global, worldwide project, and we are looking forward to have the conference at new and exciting places, organized by local communities. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask! Florian [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/announce@documentfoundation.org/msg00117.html [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF to present at Berlin Foundation day in November
Hello, good news everyone: I just received the word that TDF can present the Foundation at the Berlin Foundation day on November 16th! More details to follow soon - stay tuned! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] credit card payment
Hello, good news, everyone! I just received the credentials for our new service, so we can accept direct credit card payments in the future. In other words, anyone who wants to donate will be able to do so in the future with his credit card, without using any service like PayPal. It might take some while until I've implemented this (it has a few hundred pages of documentation...), but I am sure we'll all benefit from that. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version
Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-09-17 10:38: I disagree. The German text will be the sole one with legal validity, in NZ or elsewhere. And it will be the only text to be evaluated. There is no easy way out of that in case of litigation but that's an established legal practice. If this was a NZ based entity the same would apply: the text would have to be read in NZ legal english. indeed. That's why we try to make the English version be as close to the German as possible. It's similar for various entities (KDE and FSFE do the same), and even for software licenses (e.g. the LGPL). Only the original version is binding, and translations should be as close as possible to eliminate language barriers. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version
Hi, Marc Paré wrote on 2012-09-16 16:13: Yes, the exercise is not to make the document "sound good", but to fix grammatical/spelling errors in EN, establish a proper form (i.e. title form should be uniform throughout the text) as well as make the document sensible. This, all keeping true to the DE document which supersedes it legally. I agree that there are at least some layout issues and typos that can easily be fixed, plus maybe some more. If the small team looking at the document is still not satisfactory, we should wait till we have a member(s) who is/are familiar with the German legal system to help. No problem about a small but dedicated team - just want to avoid double work. :) The issue is that some terms are simply different in the various legal systems. Like a "Foundation" is not the same in every language - a UK or US Foundation are IMHO rather different to a German "Stiftung". At the same time, legally spoken, our "members" are not members, but the "board of trustees". There are several things to keep in mind when editing the current version, which has been translated with the focus on legal correctness. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Reminder: Next BoD Call on Wednesday
Hello, as usual, a short reminder, that our next Board of Directors call will take place next Wednesday, September 19th, at 1500 UTC. Dial-in details and the agenda you are free to edit are available at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings If you cannot attend, please remember to appoint your deputy in time. Looking forward to talk with you, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: TDF Statutes -- check over the EN version
Hi, Marc Paré wrote on 2012-09-16 08:19: The TDF/LibreOffice global websites use International language as its international language base. The documents will not be a legal document, but a translation of a legal document. The TDF is registered in Germany and the legal documents are in DE. the documents in their current form have been translated by a lawyer together with a native speaker. So, from my POV, we should definitely be very careful in changing words, and involving someone understanding the German legal system can't harm (I can't volunteer, I desperately lack time). Otherwise, I fear, we change the document according to "sounds good", but screw up the meaning :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Election of the TDF Membership Committee - List of Candidates
Dear Community, as previously announced, [1] all members of The Document Foundation are called to vote on a new Membership Committee. Members of The Document Foundation as of 2012-07-01 [2] are eligible to vote in the elections. The nomination period is now over, and we have received the following candidacies, in order of receipt: - David Emmerich Jourdain - Sophie Gautier - Fridrich Štrba - Simon Phipps - Leif Lodahl - Jean Weber - Eike Rathke - Cor Nouws - Florian Reisinger If you nominated yourself for elections, or have been nominated by someone else, and are not mentioned in the above list, please get in touch with us as soon as possible at electi...@documentfoundation.org From all candidates, we also need full name, e-mail, corporate affiliation (if any), and a description of your reasons for wanting to serve as a committee member. If you didn't send in any of these so far, please do so as soon as possible to electi...@documentfoundation.org We'll soon reach out to all of you with further details. As previously announced, [1] the actual election period will start at 2012-09-09 00:00 UTC and end at 2012-09-16 23:59 UTC. We are looking forward to the elections, and would like to thank you for your work, engagement and dedication for The Document Foundation! On behalf of the Board of Directors Florian Effenberger [1] http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00107.html [2] http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] TDF Budget for 2012 as of 2012-09-01
TDF Budget for 2012 as of 2012-09-01 This is a non-binding draft. Empty fields declare either no spending, or amount already booked. For SPI donations, including Advisory Board fees, see http://www.spi-inc.org/meetings/minutes/2012/2012-08-09/ Incoming Bank account40.819,57 € PayPal 983,75 € Flattr 4,84 € INCOMING TOTAL 41.808,16 € Outgoing recurring fees, extrapolated to the rest of the year Servers and bandwith-2.692,00 € Mail forwarding service -714,00 € SIP line-203,20 € Domain names-678,22 € Tax advisory (est.) -1.500,00 € Authoritiy fees -150,00 € Authority fees reserve -621,47 € OUTGOING TOTAL -6.558,89 € TOTAL BALANCE 35.249,27 € SAFETY RESERVE -15.000,00 € BUDGET 20.249,27 € -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Summary of open administrative tasks
Hello,
attached is a summary of open tasks that are somewhat urgent. We can
discuss them during the next board call:
Task: Finally investing the capital stock
Status: We have some better offers than before, and should check them,
and then finally invest the money.
Responsible: Offers in my inbox, any help appreciated.
Task: Writing policies for @libreoffice.org mail forwarders
Rationale: Technically, offering those mail forwarders is no problem,
but legally, we need those policies, because otherwise it might even
risk criminal (!) charges
Status: I have a presentation in my inbox that deals with the issue, any
help appreciated to put that into a text.
Task: Write community bylaws ("Community-Satzung")
Task: Write rules of procedure ("Geschäftsordnung")
Rationale: Both are required per the statutes.
Status: We had some drafts, but unfortunately, none of these really fit
the requirements (they doubled contents from the statutes etc.). Any
support welcome. No German language required. ;-)
Task: Work on rules for money investment ("Anlagerichtlinie")
Rationale: Not required per se, but of course pretty much appreciated,
if we make our thoughts with money investment public.
Status: We have a page that can serve as template, any support appreciated.
Sorry for being so nitpicking about those boring formal tasks, but those
are either required, our we committed ourselves to them by our statutes. :)
Florian
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Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon 2013 Call for Locations
Hi, Michael Meeks wrote on 2012-08-14 10:26: Nice; that sounds great - some annual conferences try to announce the next venue at the conference itself - it gives lots of time for planning I suppose. I wanted to do so, but we're a bit late for that. However, I just looked at the calendar, and I assume that two months should be enough for applying; we can always extend the deadline later on if needed. So, I will use October 15th, which is just one day before the Conference, so we can at least present to proposals then. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Reply settings on this list have changed
Hi, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote on 2012-08-13 15:21: - what was the final push to do this change*right now*? - what were the thoughts to do the change*this way*? - what was the criteria of balancing the effects between change and no change (not the ones*this* behaviour or*that* behaviour)? that's easy. I right now work basically full time for TDF, but I really have to work on my "real" life. Spending hours per day on TDF doesn't allow too much other real life, so a change here is needed. Urgently. I didn't have any free weekend for months. When I tried to involve others, especially developers, I (too) often heard the argument that they don't follow the lists because of their respective configuration. However, if you don't want to burn me, we *urgently* need to get more people involved, since my day only has 24 hours, and I also need to work on some some other things besides TDF. It simply is a try if people now, that the change has been done, indeed would jump on the lists, or if this was a false argument. Discussion lead to nowhere, and even now, we receive very contrary feedback - some people hate the change, others are in full favor of it. So, indeed, discussing it over and over again doesn't change anything, and IMHO, the best way to give it a try is by doing it. Call it selfish, but if you spend hours a day working on TDF matters, and you hear the argument that people would do much more if the lists were configured the right way - would you give it a try? Discussing does not help me in any way... Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Reply settings on this list have changed
Hello, this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled). So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were automatically sent directly to the list. In the past, this lead to two major problems: 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list, where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only. 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find out... Therefore, I have applied a change: Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or - preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will direct replies directly to the list. This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel here. Those seeking for details should have a look at http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually exclusive to each other. In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and again, I beg for your understanding. Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately switch back to the old behaviour. Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm somehow sitting between two chairs here. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibOCon 2013 Call for Locations
Hello, while we are still in preparations for 2012, back earlier this year, we announced [1] that end of August we would start the Call for Locations for the upcoming year. I would re-use the text from http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation, since that seems to fit. My proposal is that the CfL ends end of the year, December 31st, with announcing the final location sometime in February, which should leave plenty of time for preparations. Any objections that I start so? Florian [1] http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/01/08/libreoffice-conference-2012-and-2013-call-for-locations/ -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] removing mailing list prefixes?
Hello, looking at the feedback so far, I think we'll better put that topic on hold. Proposals are indeed very diverse, and it looks like we do less damage by adding a maybe unneeded prefix, rather than removing it and creating chaos. ;-) Thanks for your feedback, everyone! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [tdf-moderators] Re: removing mailing list prefixes?
Hi Marc, Marc Paré wrote on 2012-08-06 08:12: Perhaps we should be looking at it from another view point --> we can most likely assume that the majority of our users have some working knowledge, or, less knowledge of filtering emails. Users joining the more specialized mail lists may have a little more knowledge, but, in general, our users (IMO) have lower levels of knowledge of working/managing email filtering systems.. thanks for that proposal, indeed! This is something we indeed could do, and I'd like to enhance the idea bit: How about writing to all the mailing lists (global/English ones for a start), sending a short link to a poll, where all list participants could cast their vote? I can imagine that on developer, infrastructure and other lists the suffix could be omitted, while on users and discuss lists it is more likely needed. In order to find that out, we could simply ask the subscribers. Do you think that makes sense, or is it too much spamming? Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] removing mailing list prefixes?
Hi, M. Fioretti wrote on 2012-08-02 11:09: This would be helpful in several ways, like DKIM and other e-mail >signing tools don't break, plus it looks much better in the mail >overview. Florian, may you provide concrete examples or links to read to know more? I'm curious, because I had never heard of this problem. in fact, while thinking again about it, I stumbled across a mistake in my asumption: If we leave the footers intact (which we really should), then DKIM will break anyways, as the message content has been modified. The problem with DKIM (and PGP, S/MIME and the like) is that the message content is signed, i.e. normally at least the message body and the message prefix, sometimes also more header fields, like sender, date, time and the like. In DKIM you can configure what to sign. If the message content is modified, e.g. by adding footers, or by prefixing the subject, those signatures usually break, as the message has been modified. So, while the problem as explained is existing, the solution is not only to remove prefixes... :) Mea culpa. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] removing mailing list prefixes?
Hi, Mike Hall wrote on 2012-08-02 08:04: If the subject line has to change to accommodate DKIM, it would be good to retain automatically generated text so the list can still be clearly identified. of course, it's only about the subject - the footer, with links to the archive and how to unsubscribe, will remain intact. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] removing mailing list prefixes?
Hi, M. Fioretti wrote on 2012-08-02 11:15: According to this page it does: http://legroom.net/howto/thunderbird Thunderbird does, GMail doesn't. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] removing mailing list prefixes?
Hello, today, a discussion started on the certification mailing list whether we want to get rid of those mailing list prefixes in the subject, like [libreoffice-announce], [libreoffice-conference] or [tdf-discuss]. This would be helpful in several ways, like DKIM and other e-mail signing tools don't break, plus it looks much better in the mail overview. However, this depends on how people filter their e-mail. Filtering on the subject line is a *real* bad idea, rather use the List-Post or List-Id header. However, some mail clients don't support that. So, my question is: Are there mailing lists where we could get rid of this prefix? What do people think? I would imagine that for the users list, removing the prefix is a bad idea, while for other lists, it could work pretty well. Thoughts? Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board (Vorstandsvorsitzender) Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Gemeinnützige rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] FYI, LibreOffice membership
Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-05-20 10:54: Good post indeed, thanks! I think there will be some active members of the community in the Netherlands/Flanders too, that maybe didn't apply for membership until now. Will pass the message there too. just stumbled across a small problem - the message links to the old bylaws, which are not really valid anymore (IMHO, there is an executive director mentioned and so on). The edited ones, reflecting what's in the statutes and reality, are in the works - busy times. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] AskLibO blitzes
Hi, Marc Paré wrote on 2012-05-20 06:39: Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz? I think that's a brilliant idea! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] FYI, LibreOffice membership
Hi, Marc Paré wrote on 2012-05-20 06:57: Do you find yourself contributing to LibreOffice's lists and helping users in various ways? If you do, or, if you would like to do this in a constructive way, you may qualify to become a member of the TDF Community membership family. thanks for posting - will spread your mail on the social networks! Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Hackfest date
Hello, this is another reminder to cast your vote for the Hackfest, since we would like to fix and announce the date soon. The available options are listed in this poll: http://www.doodle.com/sz6eehwtn57f765a Looking forward to hacking with you, Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] @libreoffice.org addresses
Hello, just a short follow-up on that. Initially, I planned to hand out @libreoffice.org mail addressess to all TDF members in the month of May, but unfortunately, due to lots of administrative tasks, this will be delayed. Legally, we are required to have some service agreements, stating that we do spam & virus filtering, that addresses may be revoked at any time, that there is no service guarantee and so on - drafting those needs some time, and right now, I simply miss that. Having those is mandatory, since deleting spam messages without informing people beforehand might be considered a criminal act. (sic) I hope to be able to provide those addresses in the near future, please stay tuned. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibOCon date
Hello, since I received some inquiries about that via e-mail, here's a quick pre-notification: The public part of the LibreOffice Conference 2012 will take place October 17th to 19th, 2012 in Berlin, Germany More details on the schedule, the call for papers, the venue, sponsorhip options and additional events will be published soon in an official announcement. In addition to the three public days, one internal day for community meetings will be scheduled as well, most likely on October 20th. Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Hackfest Munich 2012
Good news, everyone! The LiMux office of the city of Munich invited us for a second LibreOffice Hackfest in Bavaria's capital this autumn. To determine the best weekend, please cast your vote in our poll at http://www.doodle.com/sz6eehwtn57f765a The final date will be announced as soon as we know the time of the LibreOffice Conference in Berlin, to avoid collisions. Note that the Hackfest runs from Friday evening to Sunday lunchtime, but we have only listed the respective Saturdays. Happy hacking! ;-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger, Chairman of the Board Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] tax update
Hello, TDF has now received their tax number from the tax department. In addition, and more important, we have also received the preliminary confirmation of our public benefit. This is important to issue donation confirmations, and in order to not have to pay taxes on incoming donations. The preliminary status is normal - a "final" confirmation cannot be issued before at least one or even more years of accountings are done, so it can be verified that we have been using the donations in compliance with our statutes. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Reminder: LibOCon voting
Hello, this is just a short reminder that you have time until this Sunday to verify your votes and challenge the voting for the location of the next LibreOffice Conference. Thorsten has sent out details on this a few days ago, please refer to his e-mail for all information and deadlines. For your convenience, here's the link again to verify your token: https://elections.documentfoundation.org/votes.php?election_id=2 In case we receive no objections, the preliminary result - the city of Berlin - will be announced as final result on Monday. Looking forward to a fantastic conference, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Fwd: LOADays 2012
Hello, unfortunately, I won't find time, so I forward it with approval of Toshaan. Should someone of you be interested, ping him directly. Thanks, Florian Original Message Subject:LOADays 2012 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 02:15:56 +0100 From: Toshaan Bharvani To: Florian Effenberger Florian, We did meet on the GUUG Linux Kongress in 2010. You spoke about OpenOffice and remote deployments. I was just thinking that with the current development of LibreOffice, it might be good from somebody of the LibreOffice community to join our conference and give a talk about LibreOffice from a system administrators point of view, similar to your remote deployment talk. Steps to submit your talk : *CFP URL:* http://cfp.loadays.org/submission/LOAD2012/ * Create an account, if you do no have one * Check your email and click on the link to activate your account * submit a talk by clicking on the “Create Event” button *Remarks relating to submissions in the CFP system :* * Please post your biography in your user description * Please remember to post an abstract, a short summary of your presentation for people to directly understand what the presentation is about and a full description of your presentation. The committee will evaluate your submission based upon the full description. * Please chose an Event Type. There are normal presentation slots of 1 hours, tutorial slots (2 hours or more) and open space slots (1 hour). * If you have any notes for the committee to take into account when reviewing your submission, please fill them in the submission notes, this field is not public In case you need extra information or have a question, you can always mail to i...@loadays.org <mailto:i...@loadays.org> Kind Regards, LOADays Team, Toshaan. -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Lots of things to do - an overview
Hello, I took the freedom to compile a list of things that we have to do in the near future. Not everything is a lot of work, and not all items are crucial, but it should give you an overview on how many tasks the BoD has to at least oversee the next weeks: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Tasks I'd like to use this as a basis for the call on Wednesday, and hope we can distribute those tasks equally amongst all BoD members. Agreeably, it's a lot of work, but that's the beginning, so it is quite normal that structures have to grow until things run smoothly. :) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany
Thanks a lot! ;) Marc Paré wrote on 2012-02-20 11:59: Congratulations to all who made this possible! Great news indeed! -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany
The Document Foundation officially incorporated in Berlin, Germany New entity has been legally created on February 17th, 2012 German Stiftung to provide strong and enduring rights for the LibreOffice community Berlin, February 20th, 2012. The Document Foundation today announces that it has been officially incorporated in the state of Berlin, Germany. The legal form of the entity is a German "rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts", a form based on the governance model the LibreOffice community has chosen. On Friday afternoon, February 17th, the incorporation certificate, signed by the state secretary, has been handed over by the authorities. With this legal act, the entity officially came to life and is legally recognized. A picture shortly after the reception of the incorporation certificate, and a copy of the certificate itself, is available at http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/incorporation2.png The legally binding German version of the statutes are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/satzung.pdf For convenience, an English translation of the statutes, which is not legally binding, is available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/statutes.pdf "We are proud of having achieved this major milestone. During the last months, we have been working extensively to incorporate the bylaws into legally binding statutes, to provide a stable and safe basis for our future" said Thorsten Behrens, Deputy Chairman of the Board of the new Foundation. He adds: "Our primary focus was on the membership element. Those who are approved members have inalienable, strong rights, embedded into the statutes. Since we have been aiming to be a German Stiftung, those rights are guaranteed by law, and enforced by the authorities. The Document Foundation is the legal affirmation of the community spirit - an entity by the community, for the community, and an entity independent from any single vendor." Michael (Mike) Schinagl, a Berlin-based lawyer who has been working on the incorporation process, explained: "The creation of such a Foundation is unique in the history of free software. There are not many, if any, entities that guarantee such strong rights to active contributors. Embedding those into legal language was a tremendous task, but one that was very worthwile. The Foundation and its statutes provide the ideal grounds for a free office ecosystem, including users, developers, marketeers, adopters, service providers and many, many more, and they can serve as an example for other communities with similar goals." The donor is the German nonprofit association Freies Office Deutschland e.V., formerly OpenOffice.org Deutschland e.V., which acted as interim legal entity from the very beginning. Thomas Krumbein, its Chairman, is grateful: "Our sincere thanks goes out to the Berlin authorities for their helpful cooperation in the past months, and for their flexibility and enormous support in achieving the community’s goals. Berlin has definitely made a landmark decision by approving The Document Foundation. Freies Office Deutschland e.V. is proud to be the donor of this important entity, and we look forward to working together with the new Foundation to the benefit of all users and contributors." André Schnabel, Chairman of the Membership Committee, stated the Foundation’s openness: "I am sure we will see the community prospering and growing even more, now that the legal entity has been created. Finally, after nearly 12 years, the community has created a Foundation that ideally fits to its needs, that is vendor-neutral, that provides safety, builds trust, and that sends out a strong sign of stability to all stakeholders. I would like to repeat our honest invitation to everyone interested in the future of free office suites, to join The Document Foundation, no matter if you are an individual volunteer, employee of a software vendor or support our activities with help from local non-profit organizations." The home of The Document Foundation is at http://www.documentfoundation.org LibreOffice, the free office suite, has its home at http://www.libreoffice.org Note to editors: A "Stiftung" is a German Foundation established with an endowment and supported by state authorities. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_%28non-profit%29#Germany for more details. In addition, "bürgerlichen Rechts" indicates it is a fully independent Foundation with long-term intent and independent finances. Media Contacts for The Document Foundation Florian Effenberger (based near Munich, Germany, UTC+1) Phone: +49 8341 99660880 Mobile: +49 151 14424108 E-mail: flo...@documentfoundation.org Skype: floeff Olivier Hallot (based in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, UTC-3) Mobile: +55 21 88228812 E-mail: olivier.hal...@documentfoundation.org Charles H. Schulz (based in Paris, France, UTC+1) Mob
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Conference: Voting reminder
Dear members, this is a voting reminder to cast your vote for the location of the LibreOffice Conference 2012. You can vote until this Sunday, 2012-02-19 23:59:59 (UTC). In alphabetical order, the proposals are: * the city of Berlin, Germany http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/libocon2012_berlin_proposal.pdf * the city of Zaragoza, Spain http://tdfsc.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/libocon2012_zaragoza_proposal.pdf You should have received a message with your personal voting token to the e-mail address we have on file. In case you did not receive this, please check your junk/spam folder, and if you don't find the message there, please write to i...@documentfoundation.org as soon as possible. Thank you for voting, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Moving forward on the partner NGOs
Hello, Charles-H.Schulz wrote on 2012-01-18 12:47: I'd like to move forward on the topic of partner NGOs and the Document Foundation. We have so far two wiki pages, one which is rather broader than the topic: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/PartnershipProgram and this one, which I just added to: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Partnering_with_NGOs it seems response has been exactly zero. :-( Did you get any feedback from the NGOs? Does it make sense to ping the NGOs affected again directly, to get their first round of feedback, and then discuss with the BoD? Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] missing meeting minutes
Hello, unfortunately, there are some missing meeting minutes in the BoD calls wiki page at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/BoD_Meetings Can those responsible for taking minutes please upload them? Currently missing are: * 2012-02-08 * 2012-01-25 * 2011-12-14 Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Ways to collect Money for Attendance at Conferences / Hackfests etc.
Hi Andreas, Andreas Mantke wrote on 2012-02-06 20:25: I came in a discussion with a core member of another OpenSource community (Plone) across the topic of collecting money for members that want to attend at a Conference or a Sprint (we call that Hackfest) and give there a presentation or work with others on a topic. She told me that the member runs a ChipIn then and regularly get the needed travel expenses. thanks a lot for this proposal! Indeed, I plan to run another round of fundraising after the foundation has been incorporated, with naming specific donation goals: travel funding, infrastructure, buildbots, merchandise etc. From a tax perspective, it looks as if it should be no problem, since funds are transferred to PayPal afterwards. Do you know if the ChipIn take some fee from the incoming donations, or if they are passed on 1:1? Apart from that - what would be the real benefit of using ChipIn, compared to e.g. letting people directly donate to our PayPal and bank account, with a progress meter shown on the page? ChipIn seems to automatically adjust the progress meter, while we would have to do it manually - but besides, any other advantages? Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] confcall issues gone?
Hello, Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-02-08 23:15: I*have* to use skype, and it is a sort of lottery, one day is great, the other not so... depends where I pick the broadband, solar flares, tropical weather, and so on:-) what I would recommend is to use either SkypeOut to dial to one of the regular numbers, or Google Voice. Both is rather cheap, and probably more reliable than the Skype dialin. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] confcall issues gone?
Hello, I just wanted to ask all those who participated in today's confcall: Do I assume correctly that the issues are gone? No echoes, no noise, dial-in works? Anyone made a different experience? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, sorry to be so pushing here, but if possible by any means, I'd like to start voting this week, since we're really late already. So, if nobody objects with serious concerns and a concrete (!) proposal what to change and who (!!) does the work, I'd like to stick for 2012 with a member voting, and evaluate in time a different option for the 2013 vote. I hope nobody feels excluded by that, and we can all live with this. After all, we're learning every day, and constructive discussions can lead to enhancements for the future. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Andreas Mantke wrote on 2012-02-05 13:42: We can discuss that for the next round; maybe there are better solutions / proposals. My question is only, why we open up the discussion now (and not after the voting). The BoD had discussed the topic and decided about it in public. Everyone had the oportunity to bring up his arguments before the decision. I do share this. While I totally agree that there are many valid views on that topic, discussing that now, after the public BoD confcall, and the public discussion on this list, is a bit strange. It feels like the whole discussion we had done is totally senseless, since we now open the discussion again. Most of us are volunteers, and rediscussing things again and again burns a lot of time... So, my proposal would indeed be to stick what we had decided (we all, since everyone had a chance to join the discussion and the call), and discuss options for 2013, where we can change the model, of course. I meant the job for the receiver of the mails (Florian?). I won't volunteer for the job to read all of this mails, decide to give the voting rights and put the mail- writer into a list or the environment for voting. That's a really nice job and the proposal should also contain the proposal for volunteering for the job ;-) Exactly. Receiving mails, verifying they are not fraud, writing back that how those people can vote, adding them to the voting system, it is a lot of work, and I surely can't do it. And don't forget, we run out of time, people have to vote soon, so the organizers can start preparing... Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, just quickly from FOSDEM, more details later on. ;) Jesús Corrius wrote on 2012-02-03 14:08: We had a huge problem in the OpenOffice.org Conference 2007 in Barcelona as more than 1000 people registered for the conference and at the end there were no more than 250 people appeared. We lost a lot of money because of that and on a personal basis after more than one year of the conference I was still clearing the mess up. Yes, I am still angry ;) We should have a registration that e.g. charges 5 € or 10 € and includes a t-shirt with it. We had that for e.g. Orvieto and Budapest, and IMHO it worked quite well. 2. If you are not a member of the TDF but you also want to vote, send a message to someone (Florian maybe? :P) and you will be invited. Honestly, unless someone hires a secretary for me :) I really cannot handle this. I am already swamped with messages like insane, and handling that is just not doable in my time... sorry :/ Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hello Jesús, Jesús Corrius wrote on 2012-02-03 10:54: I don't think the joking votes are that important in this particular case. We have two very serious proposals and I am sure we'll have a great LibOCon 2012 wherever we hold it. The two places are not that distant so I don't think it makes a lot of difference one place or the other one from a practical point of view (I am sure the travel costs are similar if you don't live in any of the countries). So even if people who don't plan to attend start voting massively for one of the places, where's the problem? I am open for discussion, of course, but I wonder that you seem to have a different opinion now, since the BoD has voted on this during the last call. ;-) So, the point was that we want to avoid to have many people voting who will not join, but rather have those making the decision who want to join. I recall back from my OOo days the problems we had with getting numbers, and in this case, we even had some accounts we could verify, due to the web site logon. At least I do not feel comfortable with having some bot from $country voting instead of the community - and it's technically not that easy to avoid that. Just look at the bot problems in the wiki, they even manage captchas and mail confirmations. My proposal was to send out the invitation to subscribers of some mailing lists, but this is also problematic, since then we would also exclude other people who make valid contributions and who we simply could not track. I am happy to hear others thoughts on that, but for the future, I'd ask everyone to jump in the time the discussion is being opened, and not one week later. This introduces delays and much more work. We have open BoD calls and we have open discussions, so we can decide in time - and not reopen discussions over and over again. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi Javier, Javier Sola wrote on 2012-02-03 02:07: I hope that the board understands that this is no longer an issue of voting for a conference location. The "we can exclude you whenever we want" message being sent to contributors is rather strong. Is this issue important enough that it deserves this precedent? how do you come to say "we can exclude you whenever we want"? Neither can we, nor do we intend do. The point, as stated, is that in the last years, we had many joke votings, and we would like to find a system where eligible people, i.e. those contributing and most likely attending the conference, can vote. What would you propose? I rather let our members choose, than any botnet that finds the voting form... Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-01-31 16:32: Do I remember well that we have/had the idea to choose the organisers one year before? As to give them the opportunity to learn from the current years organisers experience.. (Not that I think, looking at the proposals, that experience is really lacking ;-) ) Could these bids open the possibility to do that right now ? Would of course have as consequence that one of the teams would need to 'conserve' their enthusiasm and commitment for another year ... we have discussed that in the past, with various arguments, but in the end decided to have the 2013 application to end in August, before this years' conference. The rationale behind that is that 1. the 2013 organizers can cooperate with the 2012 organizers and 2. the 2013 organizers have some more time to work on organizing their event. I'm happy to shift the application deadline, in case people agree, but my latest status is we want to have it the way it currently is. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hello, as you might have spotted, today we issued the proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference. Berlin and Zaragoza (in alphabetical order) have sent in their applications and are therefore candidates for this years' location. All details can be found at http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2012/01/28/libocon-2012-proposals/ I'd like to officially open the discussion here. Anyone interested can ask the organizers questions, and organizers are free to sent in additional details. The official voting will be opened soon, probably during next week already. To see what we, the BoD and many former organizers, deemed necessary and important for proponents, read our official Call for Locations at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation and feel free to check all applications on the details you consider most important. I personally, since being on the BoD, but also in the team of the Berlin proposal, will try to stay out of the discussion as much as possible, so I can wear a neutral hat here. I will jump in as moderator, of course, if needed. Looking forward to a fair and and exciting vote, and a very special conference! Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Stefan Weigel wrote on 2012-01-25 18:45: Ok. So this is going to be a TDF conference. Accepted. ;-) TDF members decide about it, others are invited as guests. Accepted. ;-) no, that's the wrong assumption. :) It is a conference for all interested parties, for the large community, for everyone. It is called "LibreOffice Conference" on purpose. :-) However, we in the past had large practical problems with many people voting who did not intend to go at all - "joke voters". So we had a hard time providing mechanisms to avoid joke votings. My first idea was to invite people from all the mailing lists, but in today's BoD call the concern was raised, that by that, we would effectively also miss several people, as it's no clear border to draw. What about those not on a list, but actively contributing in the wiki? Thus, for 2012, we decided to only allow members to vote, and at the same time encourage contributors to become members. I guess any solution has drawbacks, so I hope we could find some sensible one. If there is a "one size fits it all" solution, I am happy to hear it, of course. :-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hello, we just discussed about that in the BoD call, and agreed to only let members vote. After all, it's their TDF and their money being used for the conference, and anyone who is fairly active should become a member soon. I am in favor of including as many active people as possible, but the issue indeed is that when we have a wider voting scope than members, it will be hard to draw a line between "all the world" and "contributors". We will always miss someone eligible, whereas for members, it is clear. Hard choice, but I hope you all support the decision. The proceeding will be as follows: - I plan to publish the proposals by the end of this week and send them to the announce@ list - The proponents were not fully aware that details will be all made public, so they were allowed to remove confidential information (like private phone numbers) they did not want to have in public - All other additions, like giving out more details that became clear later, should be solely done on the discuss@documentfoundation.org mailing list. Proponents and the community are invited to discuss the proposals, ask questions and send in enhancements - Voting will start soon thereafter. All TDF members will get their voting credentials by e-mail to their registered e-mail address, and will have then one week of time to cast their vote Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Olivier Hallot wrote on 2012-01-24 15:48: Voting is a measure of traceable membership participation/activity. Otherwise we can get spammed on untraceable votes to send us where we don't want LibCon to happen. by that, we would exclude a large amount of developers, and I am sure want to have them on the list. While it might be indeed something to attract more people applying for membership, I think excluding them from all votings (rather than only elections, which is what membership is about), does not feel right - but I am happy to hear some more thoughts, since we seem to have mixed feelings here. ;) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Jonathan Aquilina wrote on 2012-01-24 12:49: Would this help any facilitating the votes? http://doodle.com/ maybe, but I am not so keen in having so large votes on an ad-financed platform. Maybe we can use an own survey system. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-01-24 11:06: - another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would exclude "joke" votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many eligible people. This is what I would prefer. I think this would exclude a fair amount of contributors. Many of e.g. the code contributors are not members, but indeed do a very valueable work. Excluding them from voting sounds wrong. Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-01-24 11:20: Just a guess: A minimum of five postings to any of our mailinglists up to this day? Counting the postings is rather tedious. I would simply extract the recipient list of several mailing lists and then appeal at them to being fair and vote only if they intend to join. I rather take the risk of have some "joke" votings from those who are subscribed to our discussion lists, rather than excluding a group of very valued contributors. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-24 10:57: First when I saw this thread I expected a BoD-vote. I guess that would be the wrong direction. The conference is for the communit at large, so the community should decide. In theory, that means opening up a public link so anyone can vote. However, in the past, we sometimes had cases of people abusing that, massively voting for one location, while they are neither engaged in our community, nor intended to go to the conference. So, I'd like to find some sensible mechanism to involve as many people as possible, without opening the door for misuse of the voting. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, Charles-H. Schulz wrote on 2012-01-23 09:44: Moreover, because we end up with two proposals, we might not even have to vote (since we have one proposal for each year) and we only need to "prioritize" them. both proposal IMHO run for 2012, so we indeed should have a vote on who will be the host for this year. ;-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hello, Florian Effenberger wrote on 2012-01-23 08:07: we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference - thank you very much for your applications! I just was privately contacted by a third proponent. They tell that due to internet connectivity issues during the weekend, they were not able to retrieve the CfL, and thus not be able to create a proposal in time. Their question is, whether they can work on it today and send it in. My *personal* opinion is that it would be unfair to others to extend the deadline, so I would propose them to send in for 2013 instead. Everyone had a fair chance and the deadline was well known - but I'd like to hear your thoughts on that. Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hi, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol wrote on 2012-01-23 08:14: - A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary. Is it a big technical and/or manpowering effort to do it in that way? not really, if we can agree on a sane set of mailing lists. ;-) E.g. I'd use announce@, discuss@, and maybe one or two more lists (probably the developer list makes sense). Getting subscribers from all over 100 lists is a rather tedious task. ;-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibOCon proposals
Hello, we have received two proposals for this years' LibreOffice Conference - thank you very much for your applications! My proposal for the voting process is as follows: - I would like to make the proposals public immediately, by uploading them to the wiki, and sending out a short notice to announce@tdf - For the timeline of a week or so, the community can ask direct questions to the proponents, should something be unclear in their proposals - After that, we will initiate the voting - For voting, I propose to use a simple majority vote, i.e. the proposal having more votes will host the conference - The candidate not succeeding this year can propose for 2013, but it will not automatically be preferred there (since we already called for 2013 proposals as well) - Where I'm a bit undetermined is the voting scheme itself - One option is to allow every subscriber to the announce@ lists to vote (after e-mail confirmation in the voting system itself), - another one is to allow only TDF members to vote. The latter one would exclude "joke" votings like we have seen them in the past, but exclude many eligible people. - A third option would be to send out a voting invitation to everyone subscribe to a set of mailing lists (e.g. discuss@, announce@ and so on), but send them a private token. That way, only active people in the project could vote, but TDF membership would not be necessary. What do you think? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Conference Call for Location
Hello, I just wanted to remind all of you that the Call for Location for hosting the conference this year ends in a bit more than one week, next Sunday, January 22nd, 23:59 UTC. More details can be found in our wiki at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation Looking forward to hear your proposals! ;-) Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [tdf-discuss] Italian user list seems to be broken or in busy state: what's the matter?
Hi, Carlo Strata wrote on 2012-01-12 14:18: Remote MTA bilbo.documentfoundation.org: SMTP diagnostic: 550 5.7.1: Recipient address rejected: Mail appears to be spam or forged and is rejected due to policy. Using cached results - retrying too fast. penalty: 30 seconds x 0 retries. Whati do you think about? this means that the mailserver trying to deliver messages has been put on several (external, non-TDF) blacklists, probably for sending out spam. It is mainly your provider's duty to fix this problem. We need to rely on blacklists for spam filtering. In cases where your provider cannot help you, we can -temporarily- whitelist the sending server. So, first is to ping your provider and tell him he seems to be blacklisted due to spamming. In case that does not help, the next time you receive such a message, please send a direct note to postmas...@documentfoundation.org, with the date and time of the original message, and we will investigate. Sorry for any inconveniences, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] Italian user list seems to be broken or in busy state: what's the matter?
Hello Carlo, Carlo Strata wrote on 2012-01-12 13:34: Italian user list (us...@it.libreoffice.org) seems to be broken or in some "busy state": what's the matter? It may be since about January the 4th. I don't know if this is the only one in this state (italian or other languages). Could someone check it or them and fix the trouble? Thank you very much! I just checked, and the list seems to work fine. Not many messages coming in, but the last one was from January 11th, sent by you: http://www.mail-archive.com/users@it.libreoffice.org/msg00451.html Florian -- Florian Effenberger Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [tdf-discuss] testing Google Hangouts
Hi, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote on 2012-01-10 05:40: I don't know. I just tried Jitsi at office and it seemed to work well. My SysAdmin has said to me that Jitsi is only a SIP client. ok, then I'll have a look. SIP behind NAT is just a pain. :/ It got better these days, due to SIP Proxies or SIP ALG mechanisms in routers, but still is a problem for many... Florian -- Florian Effenberger Board of Directors at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
