Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Tyler, sorry, I can't help you according to Intel-MACs. We only used the Notebooks provided by our university computing center. So we only had to deal with three different hardware-types. Our first idea was to use Live-DVDs and create one broad LiveDVD for all workshops or an individual LiveDVD-Image for each workshop. This wasn't practical, because it would have been necessary to burn a big bunchof DVDs. The other problem we had to deal with was, that one type of notebooks we used were IBM tablet-PCs - without any DVD-drive. So it came out that the best solution might be to configure a big Server to work as an tftp-boot machine and boot all the Workshop-Images via PXE. It was very impressive how good it worked. We used a custom PXE-boot prompt where the participants were asked to choose there Workshop and the chosen individual Workshop-image booted via Net. One very good side effect was that it was possible to provide the individual workshop-images days before the conference to the workshop leaders as iso-Image. So they had the possibility to check if the Image works exactly as expected. Updating and building a new image took about half an hour. Of course you need a good network as requirement. Our Server just had 1GBit-Port available. The Notebooks were connected via 100MBit. It was o.k. to boot 20 Notebooks parallel - this was enough for our maximum of two parallel workshops. The boot of all systems took about 5 min (not the best you can get but o.k.). After the boot the network traffic wasn't a problem. Another side-effect was that we were able to have a Internet-Cafe also using PXE-boot. The visitors could use the normal prepared @-Cafe-Image or boot one of the Workshop-Images to have a closer look after they participated at a workshop, ... For future conferences I'd recommend the following equipment: - - 1 workshop-server, able to spit 10 GBit - - each workshop room connected with 1GBit (up to ~5 parallel workshops possible) - - each notebook connected with 100MBit (up to 20 notebooks/workshop possible) Very nice scenario - I'd like to see this working. Marco P.S. of course the best side effect was, that we didn't have to install anything on the notebooks. We wanted to have a M$-free conference. And our university computing centre told us not to modify the Windows-Installations on the notebooks :-P By the way also the session-notebooks were only equipped with OS-Software (Ubuntu/OpenOffice/...) and the speakers could handle that. The FOSSGIS 2008 was definitely free as Freibier in Freiburg ;-) Especially if you keep that participating the conference is for free (you have to register - about 500 did) only the workshops cost about 80EUR each. Tyler Mitchell (OSGeo) schrieb: On 9-Oct-08, at 12:04 AM, Marco Lechner wrote: At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. Marco, Slightly off-topic, but I'm curious if (and how) you provided PXE-boot for Intel-based Macs, since they don't PXE. Do you know if anyone did it? I've heard of people using Slax or systemrescuedisk to help get the net boot process running, but I haven't tried it yet. Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkj5sPIACgkQRTmqCdK7E6pAogCg0ZLQ+rHRd8cgmOs3x+oOEmAH YQ8AoNz3Ba0+nHWnxewgbeEgzAPgn2JT =Sdpr -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Marco Lechner n:Lechner;Marco org;quoted-printable:Uni Freiburg;Institut f=C3=BCr Physische Geographie adr:;;Werthmannstr. 4;Freiburg;;79085;Deutschland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+49 (0)761/203-3548 tel;fax:+49 (0)761/203-3596 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
On 9-Oct-08, at 12:04 AM, Marco Lechner wrote: At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live- images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. Marco, Slightly off-topic, but I'm curious if (and how) you provided PXE- boot for Intel-based Macs, since they don't PXE. Do you know if anyone did it? I've heard of people using Slax or systemrescuedisk to help get the net boot process running, but I haven't tried it yet. Tyler ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Hi LiveDVD-Builder, I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will (hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry only in german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on this page: http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which applications we already integrated in a liveimage. Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version (preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 (http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/). We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the big variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible all) of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, Geoserver, ...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians live-helper system. I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect. Marco Mark Leslie schrieb: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? begin:vcard fn:Marco Lechner n:Lechner;Marco org;quoted-printable:Uni Freiburg;Institut f=C3=BCr Physische Geographie adr:;;Werthmannstr. 4;Freiburg;;79085;Deutschland email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] tel;work:+49 (0)761/203-3548 tel;fax:+49 (0)761/203-3596 x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Marco, I'm very excited to hear about what seems to be a very successful use of your LiveCD efforts. For FOSS4G2009, we have been discussing whether we should use the LiveDVD as the basis for workshops. (The other high contender will be osgeo4win, based on windows, as many workshop attendees will be familiar with windows) From the distribution building point of view, I'm keen to collaborate with what you have been doing. Could you please join us on this list to continue discussions: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-grass-general If you haven't already found it, we are using this wiki as our working document: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc Marco Lechner wrote: Hi LiveDVD-Builder, I'm very happy that the concept of live-images also hit FOSS4G-conference. FOSSGIS e.V. (formerly known as GAV e.V.), who will (hopefully) be the institutional form of local chapter DACH soon, startet using live-images about 2 years ago. At the german language conference FOSSGIS in April we used live-images to provide all the workshop-notebooks using PXE-boot with individual liveimages booting at the beginning of a workshop. A list of the held workshops (sorry only in german, but the projectnames are uni anyway) can be found on this page: http://fossgis.osgeo.net/wiki/Workshops_2008 and show which applications we already integrated in a liveimage. Right now our flagship is GISlivePE, a LiveDVD providing very recent developer snapshots of QGIS and GRASS. Our most recent PE-version (preview edition) produced for the Intergeo 2008 (http://www.intergeo.de/2008_en/englisch/index.php) got the developer snapshots from 09/24/2008. (For download see http://www.gav-ev.de/gislive/download/). We are already thinking about a VE (variety edition) to provide the big variety of FOSS GIS-Software and Data including most (if possible all) of the OSGeo projects and may be some more (josm, openJUMP, Geoserver, ...) on a more stable basis - we are using Debians live-helper system. I think providing (may be including localisations and editions) livesystems under the roof of OSGeo could have a very good PR-effect. Marco Mark Leslie schrieb: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 09:09 +0800, Tim Bowden wrote: I've put a proposed Live DVD BOF time on the wiki. Thoughts? And I've just changed the time. Now on for Wed 15.30 - 16.00. We will do an irc hookup for anyone who wants to join in from elsewhere. If anyone really wants to be in but can't make that time, please yell as we can change. Regards, Tim Bowden Tim Bowden On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 15:27 +0200, Gavin Fleming wrote: A LiveCD BOF is a good idea - you can start planning it here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_BOF_Sessions A few of the workshops and labs will be using liveCD or liveUSB. Is anyone keen to produce a few hundred CDs of one or more of the liveCD versions out there to distribute at the conference? Gavin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Becchi Sent: 10 September 2008 02:40 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD Tim Bowden wrote: Is the liveCD issue worth a BOF in Cape Town? I'm happy to coordinate if there is sufficient interest. Proly irc hookup for those not there. Thoughts? good idea Tim. None from Ominiverdi will be there fisically but we can try to be on IRC. ciao Lorenzo ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Cameron, would be a great start. from our part we need to know if Luca (doktoreas) is available, he's the liveCd Man. btw, Bruce, encouraging comments, thank you if Luca has time it would be great to keep you two in touch and fix the problem. this is what we were looking for ciao Lorenzo Cameron Shorter wrote: I have a meeting clash, I suggest the following time instead: Friday 4pm Sydney, 8am Europe http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2008month=9day=12hour=6min=0sec=0p1=240p2=215 Cameron Shorter wrote: I'm very excited to hear Markus and Lorenzo correct me and tell me that GeoFOSS packaging is live and well. And yes, we would be delighted to work with you, building upon your work rather than starting again from scratch. The success of a packaging project will come from a strong community. We have been planning to create a simple live CD (based upon Debian or Ubuntu) for the Java stack - something that we think we could achieve. But if there are others working on this as well, together we could make something more ambitious for foss4g2008. Who is interested and what timezones are we in? LISAsoft is in Sydney, Australia. Markus and Lorenzo are in Europe? How about we meet on IRC #osgeo on Friday: 5pm Sydney, 9am in Europe? http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2008month=9day=12hour=7min=0sec=0p1=240p2=215 If this doesn't suit, suggest another time. Markus Neteler wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Cameron Shorter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to Mark's comments, Our intent is to try and compliment and work with existing packaging efforts rather than compete with them. From our digging around, it seems that prior LiveCD efforts are not being maintained any more. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). I take liberty to correct you: http://grass.osgeo.org/download/cdrom.php at least also - slaxGIS - ArcheOS and the aforementioned Ominiverdi CDROM are up to date. We are focusing initially on packaging the java stack as we felt this could benefit the most from a little attention, While this is fine, the title of your LiveCD should reflect this to minimize confusion. FOSS4G LiveCD sounds like all included incl C/C++ stack to me. Best Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Hi all, Camptocamp recently made a liveCD too, with MapGuide OS inside, which is based on Ubuntu Hardy. See for instance Gwenael's post about making it available to all via the OSGeo website [1] I think we would be ready to give a helping hand to the community effort of gathering interesting pieces of software together on a liveCD/DVD. Whether we could make it for Foss4G 2008 is another question ;-) I'll try to be on IRC to talk about that ... very soon now ! Cheers, F. [1] http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/mapguide-internals/2008-September/002750.html Cameron Shorter wrote: Who is interested and what timezones are we in? LISAsoft is in Sydney, Australia. Markus and Lorenzo are in Europe? How about we meet on IRC #osgeo on Friday: 5pm Sydney, 9am in Europe? http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2008month=9day=12hour=7min=0sec=0p1=240p2=215 -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FOSS4G-LiveCD-tp1057559p1084361.html Sent from the OSGeo Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Mark Leslie wrote: Alex Mandel wrote: Mark Leslie wrote: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? How does this LiveCD differ from the Ominiverde one put out in August? +1 that you post it somewhere. Alex And no sooner have I replied than I've found the list of software on the Ominiverdi product, so now I can comment. Our livecd is starting with a focus on the java stack, mostly because that's where more of our experience lies. I certainly hope java is just the starting point, but time will tell. I'm curious if the two efforts could be done in tandem to offer a full selection. What distro did you base your LiveCD on? The Ominiverdi is based on Xubuntu which I imagine is using the repo versions of many packages (easy to maintain and upgrade) and being as it came out last month seems recent enough to me. If that could be combined with the Java stack I think that would be extremely useful and help to keep the Debian/Ubuntu packages up to date. Java always seems to be a little behind. I'm excited to take it for a spin later this month, Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
RE: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
A LiveCD BOF is a good idea - you can start planning it here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_BOF_Sessions A few of the workshops and labs will be using liveCD or liveUSB. Is anyone keen to produce a few hundred CDs of one or more of the liveCD versions out there to distribute at the conference? Gavin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorenzo Becchi Sent: 10 September 2008 02:40 PM To: OSGeo Discussions Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD Tim Bowden wrote: Is the liveCD issue worth a BOF in Cape Town? I'm happy to coordinate if there is sufficient interest. Proly irc hookup for those not there. Thoughts? good idea Tim. None from Ominiverdi will be there fisically but we can try to be on IRC. ciao Lorenzo ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
I'm very excited to hear Markus and Lorenzo correct me and tell me that GeoFOSS packaging is live and well. And yes, we would be delighted to work with you, building upon your work rather than starting again from scratch. The success of a packaging project will come from a strong community. We have been planning to create a simple live CD (based upon Debian or Ubuntu) for the Java stack - something that we think we could achieve. But if there are others working on this as well, together we could make something more ambitious for foss4g2008. Who is interested and what timezones are we in? LISAsoft is in Sydney, Australia. Markus and Lorenzo are in Europe? How about we meet on IRC #osgeo on Friday: 5pm Sydney, 9am in Europe? http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2008month=9day=12hour=7min=0sec=0p1=240p2=215 If this doesn't suit, suggest another time. Markus Neteler wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:27 AM, Cameron Shorter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding to Mark's comments, Our intent is to try and compliment and work with existing packaging efforts rather than compete with them. From our digging around, it seems that prior LiveCD efforts are not being maintained any more. (Please correct me if I'm wrong). I take liberty to correct you: http://grass.osgeo.org/download/cdrom.php at least also - slaxGIS - ArcheOS and the aforementioned Ominiverdi CDROM are up to date. We are focusing initially on packaging the java stack as we felt this could benefit the most from a little attention, While this is fine, the title of your LiveCD should reflect this to minimize confusion. FOSS4G LiveCD sounds like all included incl C/C++ stack to me. Best Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Cameron Shorter Geospatial Systems Architect Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050 Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254 Think Globally, Fix Locally Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source http://www.lisasoft.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
2008/9/10 Cameron Shorter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: We have been planning to create a simple live CD (based upon Debian or Ubuntu) for the Java stack - something that we think we could achieve. just a ping: Knoppix had a quite nice compaction, fitting one dvd worth of data into one CD. slow boot, but a awesome amount of software. I don't know how things are going in the live-cd/dvd arena, but this could be well worth a look. -- Paulo Marcondes = PU1/PU2PIX -22.915 -42.224 = GG86jc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Hi Cameron, all, On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Cameron Shorter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm very excited to hear Markus and Lorenzo correct me and tell me that GeoFOSS packaging is live and well. And yes, we would be delighted to work with you, building upon your work rather than starting again from scratch. The success of a packaging project will come from a strong community. We have been planning to create a simple live CD (based upon Debian or Ubuntu) for the Java stack - something that we think we could achieve. But if there are others working on this as well, together we could make something more ambitious for foss4g2008. Who is interested and what timezones are we in? LISAsoft is in Sydney, Australia. Markus and Lorenzo are in Europe? Yes. I'll be in Cape Town but have to take the plane on 4 Oct. How about we meet on IRC #osgeo on Friday: 5pm Sydney, 9am in Europe? Not sure if I am already operative then :) but no problem, I have never made a LiveCD myself... So please keep this timing if it suites most. Ah, I now see the 4th suggested: me = plane, but n.prob. Markus ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Mark Leslie wrote: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? How does this LiveCD differ from the Ominiverde one put out in August? +1 that you post it somewhere. Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G LiveCD
Alex Mandel wrote: Mark Leslie wrote: Greetings, We at LISAsoft are in the process of setting up a Live CD. While the ultimate goal is a 'comprehensive' version by FOSS4G2009, we're starting with a fairly short java-centric stack of software in order to get the details worked out and get something out the door soon. Our goal is to have a cut available next week, with something polished by the 22nd, hopefully leaving enough time before Capetown for anyone interested to get some copies burned. So I suppose my first question is, is anybody interested in having a copy of this CD? Is there somewhere appropriate we could upload an image? How does this LiveCD differ from the Ominiverde one put out in August? +1 that you post it somewhere. Alex ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss The short (and not terribly useful) answer is: it's more recent :) I have hope that this will become a very demo-oriented product, incorporating tutorials and documentation from the various projects so that it can be run off-line and still be useful. My target is mostly for conferences and workshops, since that's when I really feel the need for something like this, but hopefully it will be more broadly applicable. I haven't used Ominiverdi's cd, so I can't really comment on the contents. Cameron is setting me up with access to the OSGeo downloads site, so once we have a cut I'll be posting it there. -- Mark Leslie Geospatial Software Architect LISAsoft - Ph: +61 2 8570 5000 Fax: +61 2 8570 5099 Mob: +61 Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf 19-21 Pirrama Rd Pyrmont NSW 2009 - LISAsoft is part of the A2end Group of Companies http://www.ardec.com.au http://www.lisasoft.com http://www.terrapages.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
