Re: [slim] switched to wireless -- now squeezebox reboots at random
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 23:21:23 -0800, Ralph Edington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I can tell, Squeezebox is COMPLETELY and TOTALLY WORTHLESS for the advertised purpose of wireless music. Maybe you got a bad unit. Did you try contacting customer support? -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
I had similar problems which were solved by using 64 bit WEP instead of 128 bit. I would like to report my very recent bad wireless experience and ask a question... I just switched over from wired mode to wireless. I bought a Linksys WRT45G (v2.2, firmware 3.03.6) and used all the defaults. Using WEP 128-bit. DHCP addressing. Signal strength on the sbox a good 90%. No wireless phones in the house, and the microwave, when on, didn't seem to cause any problems. After a smooth hookup and looking like it was working fine, I immediately encountered the problem of spontaneous squeezebox reboots. I probably saw half-dozen reboots in the first two hours. I saw the problem where there were multiple back-to-back reboots, the reconnect countdown getting to 10 before stopping and rebooting again. Bummer. I read a lot of old threads about this problem, but I didn't see any sure-fire solutions. Was there a consensus on the cause/solution of this reboot problem? One thread seemed to indicate that static IP addressing helped, but another reported that that didn't solve it. What's the final upshot on this problem? I've now set the router to B-only and static addressing in the meantime, and it seemed to help, but I haven't ran it for that many hours yet. Thanks, RE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roy Owen Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:45 AM To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] Good wireless experience I too would like to report a good experience with wireless SB. I have 2 wireless SB's (mind you they are on their own WAP) and have no interference from microwave or 'phone. In fact both of my WAP's are on the default channel 6. I do not stream lossless but I do stream mps with no additional compression. I can now play my mp3's or internet radio anywhere in my house. On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 19:08:29 -0700, Daryle A. Tilroe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stream MP3, not lossless, which obviously greatly reduces the bandwidth requirements. The wireless performance of my Squeezebox outperformed my expectations. Yes, it should probably be clarified and emphasized to the newcomers and/or lurkers on the list that the debate over wireless performance and suitability applies only to streaming lossless PCM audio. If you stream (or convert and stream) MP3 the SB has proven to be quite robust. Virtually flawless in my experience. -- Daryle A. Tilroe ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss -- Do meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with Tabasco. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Gnome Panel Applet
cool, should have a beta by the weekend, just in the process of cleaning up the files/README etc., and doing some testing/tweaking. Michael Peters wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:16:21 +, Al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also is there anyone interested in testing it when I`ve got something to show? I'd be more than willing to test such an applet. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Changing the function of press-and-hold Pause
Is it possible to change the function of the Pause button on the remote control? Currently press-and-hold Pause stops the playback immediately, I would like it to stop after the current track finishes. I can always press the Power button to get it to stop immediately. Oh, and looking through the documentation I see: Press-and-Hold the PLAY button if you have Moodlogic and Squeezebox will create a playlist based on the currently displayed Song, Genre or Artist. - this should now read MusicMagic or Moodlogic ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] switched to wireless -- now squeezebox reboots at random
Ralph Edington wrote: I would have expected Slim Devices, or any competent designer of wireless electronics, to have provided a reasonable workaround -- dropouts, anything -- but REBOOTING, frequently and randomly, is absolutely, positively unforgivable. Have you contacted [EMAIL PROTECTED] It sounds to me like you might have bad hardware. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Need advice on housing 30K of songs
I have 40k at MP3 128-320kbs very quick on iTunes (1 hr scan). Slim server takes 1 1/2 hrs to scan. Backup solution firewire drive that I copy to once a week and take into the office to use there. The copying of this much data will take a good few hours but this solution work quite well. Make sure you have an SATA drive or SCSI on IDE you could multiply the iTune times by a factor of 2-4. Re DVD guess it depends if he wants the convenience of all the music easily accessible in one place or the quality and cost. If money is no object a big box with loads of scsi drives and lossless compression would be the best solution. Regards, Carl Maskelyne PaperPak Systems IT Manager Mobile Telephone : 07971 659494 Attends website : www.attends.co.uk This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt from disclosure, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Emails sent from PaperPak that contain commercially sensitive data should not be disclosed to third parties that may benefit from this knowledge. This e-mail and attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving PaperPak however the company will not be liable for any losses as a result of any viruses being passed on. From: Dave Strickler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2005 03:36 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: Re: [slim] Need advice on housing 30K of songs I have put over 8k sounds under iTunes and saw sluggishness as the XML database that it had to keep up was getting quite large. I imagine your 30k of songs will push it to the limit, but I don't know for sure. Advice: Get a fast hard drive and lots of RAM for use as the O/S tries to cache the writes. Dave Strickler Mailwise LLC 617 267-0044 x810 www.mailwise.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/24/2005 7:47:01 PM Can anyone give me any tips on dealing with 30k or so worth of songs? I have a client who has a HUGE CD collection and wants to take the cream of the crop and put them on a 250gig or 300gig HD for his listening pleasure. I'm hoping the 6.0 release will ease up the time it takes to search and generate large playlists. Is there any danger of filling the disc that contains the music library, yes we're using iTunes, completely? Does the slimserver need space to store data? Will I need to even use the iTunes library with 6.0? It seems like the slimserver will have its own db of songs, no? Thanks, Chris ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss This message has been certified virus-free by MailWise Filter - The real-time, intelligent, e-mail firewall used to scan inbound and outbound messages for SPAM, Viruses and Content. For more info visit: http://www.mailwise.com image001.gif___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Remote streaming with Netgear router?
Toby, I have exactly the same setup. Are you using the router as a modem as well? Also do you know how to access the web interface? Is you PC already connected wirelessly? Drop me a mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will give you the additional instructions that you need. Regards, Carl Maskelyne PaperPak Systems IT Manager Mobile Telephone : 07971 659494 Attends website : www.attends.co.uk This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt from disclosure, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Emails sent from PaperPak that contain commercially sensitive data should not be disclosed to third parties that may benefit from this knowledge. This e-mail and attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving PaperPak however the company will not be liable for any losses as a result of any viruses being passed on. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2005 09:12 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Remote streaming with Netgear router? Hi I've been scouring the archives as well as Google but can't seem to find what I'm looking for, which is a step by step guide for total newbies as to how to set up remote streaming from a computer attached to a Netgear router. The Slimserver software is running from a PC connected wirelessly to a Netgear DG834G router. I know I need to go into the Netgear admin page and change some settings, but as a newbie to this it's all Greek to me. I have no idea what I'm doing in there! It's simple enough to get the /stream.mp3 going, but I can't get the Slimserver software to recognise it as a player, so the play controls on the Slimserver page are blanked out. Would someone be so kind as to point me towards a very basic step by step guide on configuring the router so that it will work with remote streaming? Eternally grateful! thanks toby ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.0a1 Installation
Chris O'Shannassy wrote: Hi; Hopefully this can just be chalked up to my extremely limited knowledge of perl slimserver, but the alpha version of six isn't working for me. I've currently just extracted the files under my home account (don't want to mess with my functioning version) and am getting the following message when trying to start the server: It sounds like you need to install Compress::Zlib from CPAN ... ./slimserver.pl --daemon Can't locate auto/Compress/Zlib/autosplit.ix in @INC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Wireless Rebooting (formerly My NOT goodwirelessexperience)
Hey Ralph, Is the machine running slim server by any chance wireless? In my experience, the squeezebox handles wireless dropouts without much problem but will reboot if the server losses network connectivity. My server is not wireless but the CAT5 that is plugged into it is missing the little retaining clip (keep forgetting to replace the cable) and so my kids sometime knock it out when running around. When this happens I see the SB reboot. Just a thought... ~c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:discuss- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Edington Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:42 PM To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: RE: [slim] Wireless Rebooting (formerly My NOT goodwirelessexperience) OK, so channels 5 and 11 have proved worthless for preventing the reboot problem. I'm starting to get ticked off a little. I mean, the big question is, why does the squeezebox have to friggin' REBOOT, for Bob's sake!??!!?!? Can't it handle wireless interference with some graceful dropouts or something? This wireless reboot problem is RIDICULOUS! How on earth is the rest of the world dealing with this? Like I say, it's not like I'm running some obscure equipment in a weird environment. This is about the most basic setup I can think of for wireless SB!! OK, had to blow off a little steam there. But I'M STILL LOOKING FOR ANSWERS!!! RE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of kdf Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 4:05 PM To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: RE: [slim] Wireless Rebooting (formerly My NOT good wirelessexperience) Quoting Ralph Edington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the suggestions: -- I will try MAC filtering instead of WEP if the problem persists. I only have two wireless devices right now, so it's no big deal. -- That's good to know about the double-reboot. Makes me feel a little better. -- As far as interoperability, I don't care who's certified or not, but if Squeezebox can't interoperate (i.e. WORK!) with a Linksys WRT54G, which is arguably one of the more popular access points/routers, then that's a much bigger problem -- for Slim Devices -- than my little complaint. I'll keep plugging. If anyone has any more info, I'd sure appreciate it. I ran my squeezeboxen off a WRT54G using wifi-box firmware just fine for months. I've since conected an older Dlink 802.11B ap so that the ibook can use full G bandwidth. That's working fine too. the only exception is that if I've unplugged teh sb for a few days then it can take a bit longer than the initial 20 second timeout to find the wireless network. I've always used 128-bit WEP, and currently MAC filtering. If I had anything specific to offer for debugging help, I would, but maybe this will give you hope that it CAN work. I did have some trouble with channel conflicts with neighbours at one point. channging channels licked that one quickly. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Forum Style rather than Lists
Another solution is to use Gmail for your mailing lists. It has a unique interface that closely resembles the flat-threaded forum style that seems most popular (I prefer branching threads personally). Its also much faster than most web applications owing to its use of javascript moderated xml transactions (no page reloads). If you need an invite, I have 50 to spare. My question is simple - why can't we have a forum in this style, rather than email lists?? I'm sure there's a good reason! It's just that I prefer the roku-style of forum, as I find them much easier to use and browse. http://forums.slimdevices.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox?
Quoting Steinar Bjaerum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At head-fi.org I came across this thread: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106249 Any comments, Sean? he already left comments in the very thread you have linked here. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:discuss- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kdf Sent: 25. februar 2005 18:34 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: RE: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox? Quoting Steinar Bjaerum [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At head-fi.org I came across this thread: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106249 Any comments, Sean? he already left comments in the very thread you have linked here. -kdf Yes, but there is no conclusion whether it is possible to get bit-correct output without phase inversion. Sean says he is going to look at ASAP. I am curious about what he found out. Steinar ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.0a1 Installation
Quoting Chris O'Shannassy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi; Hopefully this can just be chalked up to my extremely limited knowledge of perl slimserver, but the alpha version of six isn't working for me. I've currently just extracted the files under my home account (don't want to mess with my functioning version) and am getting the following message when trying to start the server: ./slimserver.pl --daemon Can't locate auto/Compress/Zlib/autosplit.ix in @INC (@INC contains: /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23 /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/arch/5.8.5/i686-linux /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/arch/5.8.5/i686-linux/auto /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/arch/5.8/i686-linux /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/arch/5.8/i686-linux/auto /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/arch/i686-linux /etc/perl /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.5 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.2/i686-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux .) at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/AutoLoader.pm line 160. at /home/gzisper/SlimServer_v2005-02-23/CPAN/Compress/Zlib.pm line 16 Is there something blatant that I'm missing or is this a bug? Or at least a requirement for more info in the installation.txt file? what system are you running on? Does having 4 different versions of Perl installed not cause you other problems elsewhere? -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Forum Style rather than Lists
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:26:44 -0600, momerath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another solution is to use Gmail for your mailing lists. It has a unique interface that closely resembles the flat-threaded forum style that seems most popular (I prefer branching threads personally). Its also much faster than most web applications owing to its use of javascript moderated xml transactions (no page reloads). If you need an invite, I have 50 to spare. I second the gmail suggestion - it's actually a faster way to use lists than a mail client on my hard disk. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] My NOT good wireless experience
Michael Peters wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 18:20:40 -0800, Phillip Kerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought cracking WEP was relatively easy too. It's not cake to crack - it takes collecting data for as long as a month or so in order to have enough to do it. Sure, it can be done, but it's a whole lot easier to just find one of the many unprotected networks. Given typical SB data rates and usage patterns, I don't believe it would take very long to have enough data to compromise a WEP key in this application. The cracking tools are fairly idiot-proof. That said, WEP + MAC-filtering is the best you can currently do, and it's probably worth doing. One possible alternative would be to make the SB wireless network unroutable (ie. no gateway for Internet access). That would make the network a very unattractive target. In this case, you might want a second NIC in your slimserver if that box also needs external access. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wireless Rebooting (formerly My NOT goodwirelessexperience)
Quoting Michael Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:23:14 -0500, Christopher Jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My server is not wireless but the CAT5 that is plugged into it is missing the little retaining clip (keep forgetting to replace the cable) You can replace just the end as well - don't need to replace the entire cable. Duct Tape! sheesh ;) -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:34:03 +0100, Steinar Bjaerum [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am thinking about playing an uncompressed WAV, recording the signal at the digital output and comparing the recording with the original WAV. Be careful when you are doing so - a lot of sound cards will resample digital input. AC97 cards do, for example (or so I've been told) I believe M-Audio Audiophile 2496 does not, I don't know about their other models. Again, that is what I've been told. I have not done any testing myself, mp3 at 192VBR is good enough for me (though I do archive lossless in flac). -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Slimbox-Newbie with questions
Hi all! I just received my Squeezebox yesterday, and so far I love it! First of all a bit about my configuration: SlimServer 6.0a 2005-02-25, generic tarball server machine: Dual 1.6 GHz Athlon MP, 1 GB RAM The Squeezebox is bridged into my WLAN via an AirPort Express :) Music playback works flawlessly and the quality is well above my expectations even over analog, however I've run into a few useability glitches: 1) The daytime screensaver does not work all that well. The seconds get updated in irregular intervals of 2-4 seconds only, sometimes it goes a second backwards even. 2a) The way the text input for the search (via remote) works seems a little strange to me. Sometimes I press (example) the ABC key once, and before I can press it a second time the A gets accepted, it moves to the next char and my second press (which should have made the A into a B) spawns a B or two after the A. I tried changing the Text Entry Timing - it did not affect that problem. Essentially the system behaves as if the timeout was zero in these cases. Tends to happen from third letter onwards - maybe the timeout counts total entry time instead of entry time for current letter by mistake? 2b) When the jump-to-next-letter timeout kicks in the cursor will move one position to the right and display ='. If I now press the same letter key on the remote again it is overwritten, as it should be. (i. e. M - timeout - O - timeout - N gives [MON]) When the key I press is not identical to the one pressed before the timeout the arrow stays intact and the letter will be put after it. (M - timeout - A gives [M=D], thus putting an arrow in the middle of the search string. Pressing M - A works of course if there is no timeout, but the SlimServer seems to throw these in at random. These two issues combined make sure I can't type 5 letters without doubling back, much less blind. I use this kind of text input a lot on my cell - would be great if it worked. 3) When I press and hold one of the volume keys on the remote the display will flicker back and forth between the volume bar and whatever was there before (e. g. now playing) Seems to me some kind of timing is royally screwed up here. Just for testing I tried the Windows server on my workstation - no problems in 6.x or 5.4. Then I downgraded to 5.4 on linux - problems persist. So it's either something on the linux machine (too fast, too slow, bug in my perl version) or in the linux version of SlimServer. 4) On an unrelated note: I have a lot of Japanese tracks tagged in Japanese. (in whatever flavour of unicode foobar2000 uses for ID3v2) The tags display on the 6.0 server (nice!) but not on the Squeezebox, which was to be expected. Are there any Japanese font hacks? Failing that any hack that would allow the Squeezebox to use something in the vein of ALBUM_TRANSCRIBED, TITLE_TRANSCRIBED if the original tags can't be rendered? I need the romanized version anyway, for generating file and folder names. Sorry this post got so long, I hope you're still with me. I'll go poke the source for a bit now, but I don't know much perl :) Any comments, tips and pointers appreciated. C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] help with native WMA
Vidur Apparao wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The native WMA to wav streaming does not seem to work at all for me. On both my Squeezebox and on SoftSqueeze (on the same machine as the SlimServer), SlimServer gives me the following error: Opening stream failed with error code 0x80070003 When I try to play an album of wma files, the player interface just skips from file to file and wont play anything. I cant find any similar error in the message board archives or any similar problem. Does anyone have any idea what might be going on? I am running WinXPSP2, and WMP 10. The wma files have no DRM range from ~96 kbps to rather high VBR. Any help? Error 80070003 Path not found error I'm actually wondering if your problem isn't a format/codec issue, but a path encoding or parsing error somewhere along the way to wmadec. What's an example path to one of your WMA files? Are there any Windows shortcuts involved? Also, if you can run with the --d_source debugging flag, the log should show you the command line sent to wmadec. That'll tell us whether the path is getting mangled before getting to wmadec. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox?
Hi, I use an audio synthesis dax decade with my squeezebox. I must first point out that I'm extremely happy with the replay however a few weeks ago I invited some friends round to have a listen to the squeezebox and compare it to a couple of dedicated transports. The other transports were from dpa and Arcam both of which were judged (subjectively) to be better than the squeezebox by all present. Not a very scientific test I know but I agreed with the consensus and to my ears it wasn't a small margin. Now in the ultimate scheme of things a squeezebox / dac combo will blow a lot cd players away even some seriously expensive ones however I believe that it's jitter performance - especially with flac's is less than great. I say this because my dac (the aforementioned dax decade) has 2 methods of locking onto the digital signal - one which can lock onto low quality / high jitter signals and one that will lock onto better quality / low jitter signals. This is denoted by the display of lock or xlock in the dac's display. Without fail if I play flacs I only get a lock however if I play mp3's either native or transcoded from flacs I get the higher quality xlock. What's going on, I'm not sure but it seems to me that there is more performance within the squeezebox than is currently accessible. I'm currently looking into the possibility of improving the clock within the squeezebox which may help things. Of course for 200 quid it's a fantastic bit of kit but I don't think it's going to replace a true high end transport just yet. For me however the convenience of having my entire music library on hand far outweigh what at the end of the day is a 30%ish difference in quality. Cheers Julian. -Original Message- From: Michael Peters [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 February 2005 19:14 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox? On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:34:03 +0100, Steinar Bjaerum [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am thinking about playing an uncompressed WAV, recording the signal at the digital output and comparing the recording with the original WAV. Be careful when you are doing so - a lot of sound cards will resample digital input. AC97 cards do, for example (or so I've been told) I believe M-Audio Audiophile 2496 does not, I don't know about their other models. Again, that is what I've been told. I have not done any testing myself, mp3 at 192VBR is good enough for me (though I do archive lossless in flac). -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] switched to wireless -- now squeezebox reboots at random
Unfortunately this is probably a user error. I've had my wirelessboxsince the middle of November andthere have been maybe 3 times that ithad a blip (a couple of seconds) then restarted from where it left off. I love thisunitas now I have no need for my Sony 300 disc changer (Willing to sell this if anyone is interested). Here's what I'm using: Compaq 7110US with 1.3Ghz processor, 1 Gig ram and the music on an extra 160 Gig hard drive Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless router sharing internet and squeezebox. No problems with microwave or cordless phones. Maybe I'm lucky but the setup seems flawless Mark Graham ---Original Message--- From: Slim Devices Discussion Date: 02/25/05 01:21:40 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: [slim] switched to wireless -- now squeezebox reboots at random I turned off WEP and the SB is still rebooting at random. I don't know where to turn from here.I've tried every channel, turned off WEP, reverted to a B-only network, I have strong signal strength, no cordless phones, no microwaves, I've turned off dynamic IP addressing -- I don't know what else to do. As far as I can tell, Squeezebox is COMPLETELY and TOTALLY WORTHLESS for the advertised purpose of "wireless music". I would have expected Slim Devices, or any competent designer of wireless electronics, to have provided a reasonable workaround -- dropouts, anything -- but REBOOTING, frequently and randomly, is absolutely, positively unforgivable. I strongly suspect that the "6 to 8 weeks" lead time on new wireless squeezeboxs is due to the fact that Slim D. finally figured out that they are utter pieces of shit, and are working feverishly to prepare a new batch for shipment, before they lose too many more customers -- like me. I will henceforth be plugging my portable MP3 jukebox into my home theater system, until I can find a better solution.I will not be purchasing another squeezebox, nor recommending them to anyone -- in fact I will be recommending that people stay far, far away.At least my MP3 jukebox can keep an accurate count of how many songs are in my MP3 library. It's been a brief and pointless affair.I can't even begin to tell you how disappointed I am.All I really wanted was an MP3 jukebox with a nice display, that had remote control functionality.Slim and the SB just don't cut it, with their alpha-level open source software and flaky hardware. Looking forward to the Samsung HT-P50 so my MP3 jukebox can be directly accessed and controlled through my home theater system. Flame away all you want. I don't care. I won't be reading the e-mail threads any more, since I no longer consider myself a Squeezebox or Slim Devices fan. Oh, and by the way, I have a slightly used "wireless" squeezebox for sale, if anyone's stupid enough to purchase it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.0a1 Installation
Hi; Your comments are true enough, and I've now installed this extra module, and am up and running. Hey, at least I know a _little_ more about perl now A couple of comments on the installation though: I was already running perl 5.8.5, the installation requirements for slimserver were only asking for = 5.6 so I figured I was good. Maybe any extra Perl modules which aren't part of a basic perl install should be included in the slimserver archive? Mmm, okay I just looked and they already are, just not for my version of perl. Okay not sure on the solution to that one. And kdf: I'm running gentoo linux, and no it's never caused problems before, but I only really have one version of Perl (5.8.5), it was just some sloppy housekeeping on my part (directories for the older versions still there but without full versions of perl inside them). Thanks Chris Jason Holtzapple wrote: Chris O'Shannassy wrote: Hi; Hopefully this can just be chalked up to my extremely limited knowledge of perl slimserver, but the alpha version of six isn't working for me. I've currently just extracted the files under my home account (don't want to mess with my functioning version) and am getting the following message when trying to start the server: It sounds like you need to install Compress::Zlib from CPAN ... ./slimserver.pl --daemon Can't locate auto/Compress/Zlib/autosplit.ix in @INC ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need advice on housing 30K of songs
You're not copying the whole collection across each week are you? Just syncing the two? (rsync or something else...) It should only take a few hours the first time, after that it'll depend on how much has changed but I'd be surprised if it took more than a few minutes. Chris Carl Maskelyne wrote: I have 40k at MP3 128-320kbs very quick on iTunes (1 hr scan). Slim server takes 1 1/2 hrs to scan. Backup solution firewire drive that I copy to once a week and take into the office to use there. The copying of this much data will take a good few hours but this solution work quite well. Make sure you have an SATA drive or SCSI on IDE you could multiply the iTune times by a factor of 2-4. Re DVD guess it depends if he wants the convenience of all the music easily accessible in one place or the quality and cost. If money is no object a big box with loads of scsi drives and lossless compression would be the best solution. Regards, Carl Maskelyne** PaperPak Systems IT Manager Mobile Telephone : 07971 659494 Attends website : www.attends.co.uk This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. The information contained in this e-mail may be subject to public disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Unless the information is legally exempt from disclosure, the confidentiality of this e-mail and your reply cannot be guaranteed. Emails sent from PaperPak that contain commercially sensitive data should not be disclosed to third parties that may benefit from this knowledge. This e-mail and attachments have been scanned for viruses prior to leaving PaperPak however the company will not be liable for any losses as a result of any viruses being passed on. *From:* Dave Strickler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* 25 February 2005 03:36 *To:* discuss@lists.slimdevices.com *Subject:* Re: [slim] Need advice on housing 30K of songs I have put over 8k sounds under iTunes and saw sluggishness as the XML database that it had to keep up was getting quite large. I imagine your 30k of songs will push it to the limit, but I don't know for sure. Advice: Get a fast hard drive and lots of RAM for use as the O/S tries to cache the writes. Dave Strickler Mailwise LLC 617 267-0044 x810 www.mailwise.com http://www.mailwise.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2/24/2005 7:47:01 PM Can anyone give me any tips on dealing with 30k or so worth of songs? I have a client who has a HUGE CD collection and wants to take the cream of the crop and put them on a 250gig or 300gig HD for his listening pleasure. I'm hoping the 6.0 release will ease up the time it takes to search and generate large playlists. Is there any danger of filling the disc that contains the music library, yes we're using iTunes, completely? Does the slimserver need space to store data? Will I need to even use the iTunes library with 6.0? It seems like the slimserver will have its own db of songs, no? Thanks, Chris ___ Discuss mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com_ _http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss_ This message has been certified virus-free by MailWise Filter - The real-time, intelligent, e-mail firewall used to scan inbound and outbound messages for SPAM, Viruses and Content. For more info visit: http://www.mailwise.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:19:28 -0600, Michael Alletto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they really charge for it? ...and have a look at the Java interface. They did not even change the name on the screenshot... http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Slimbox-Newbie with questions
While I don't know that I am much help with the rest of your post, the on thing that I would point out is that the version you are running (6.0a) is considered alpha at best. Not that it doesn't work well, but it is not ready for production release. You may consider dropping back to the current production release and see if this fixes your usability problems I'd prefer to be able to use the stable version, but with no unicode support on the server and no browse music folder option on the box I wouldn't be able to listen to my Japanese tracks at all. FWIW, I tried 5.4.0 and it's exactly the same. My very limited perl reading skills showed that the timer that jumps to the next letter is basically an alarm that triggers at a certain absolute time, not some predefined seconds from now. Considering that the clock display on the device is off by 3 seconds at times the other issues don't surprise me. According to the code it should be impossible to get a = in the middle of a Input.Text string... I get them anyway. Will test some more tomorrow. Anyway, thanks for the welcome! C. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:19:28 -0600, Michael Alletto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they really charge for it? Yes - if they provide the source to their customers (which they do if it is perl) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -qi slimserver |grep License Size: 21244838 License: GPL [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ That means anyone can modify it (or not) and sell it - as long as they comply with the GPL - which means they make the source available to anyone they distribute it to. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
I think if they are distributing the code outside their organization (whether selling it or allowing download), they have to make their source available upon request (by anyone). Even if they only have to make it available to customers, it must be supplied under the GPL, which would allow those customers to pass it on. So if they actually made any useful modifications to slimserver, we can all benefit from them regardless of whether we are customers. I think they only have available to make it available to those that they have distributed the product to (customers), but I'm not positive. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
... it definitively looks like slimserver. check this out http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_mp3beamer.html and softsqueeze screenshot on their product page http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html it seems that MP3Beamer is using slimserver as the core streaming server. Even port 9000 is used. I did not find any hint or link to slimserver and slimserver is not mentioned on their page. Is that allowed? Walt Michael Alletto wrote: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4933903950.html Scroll down to the pictures of the web interface. Does it look like slimserver to anyone else? And they are charging $70 for the software only. If they are really using slimserver but modified can they really charge for it? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.0a1 Installation
* Chris O'Shannassy shaped the electrons to say... Okay and if anybody is interested, I also had similar problems with the DBI module, (and then the 1.38 version of the DBI module which I installed was too old, it needed the 1.46 version) Anyway, it's all working now. (Hopefully, just need to wander over the squeezebox and check) Chris - we try and include binary modules for the popular operating systems, including Windows, OSX 10.2 and 10.3, RedHat, Debian and a more recent SuSE. Unfortunately Gentoo is more of a moving target, moreso because the user can (has to?) compile perl themselves, so although the major number (5.8) will be the same, the architecture specific part: i686-linux, i686-linux-multi, i686-linux-thread, etc can change with many variations. -D -- You know, for kids. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
So, probably a few things to do here: #1: someone should set up a web page (linked from SlimDevices.com, so it hits the search engines quickly) that talks about this product by name and how it is based on SlimServer, which is freely available. Hopefully some of the consumers that are considering the software-only purchase and do a bit of research will find the page and realize they might be wasting money. #2: someone should ask them if the source is included with purchase, since it's just a reskin of SlimServer anyway. Either they'll deny it, acknowledge it, or ignore it -- but we need to know which before action can be taken or judgement can be made. I will say this: hopefully they'll use the resources to improve it, then release the improvements back to the SlimServer project. After all, that's what this whole GPL thing is all about. :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Michael Herger wrote: ...and have a look at the Java interface. They did not even change the name on the screenshot... http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html wow! my original softsqueeze interface. I did a big comedy double-take when I clicked that link ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Linux box to stream music, interface look familiar?
Incidentally, I just emailed the folks at LinuxDevices suggesting that they would be doing their readers a service by noting that the MP3Beamer software appears to be based on SlimServer, a GPLd project available for free (after validating it with the MP3Tunes people, of course). :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox?
See my comments/suggestions in that thread. Jefemeister says it's correct except for inverted amplitude. I haven't confirmed this yet - AFAICT we have the DSP configured correctly, but if it is wrong, it's easy to fix by tweaking the volume function. On Feb 25, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Steinar Bjaerum wrote: At head-fi.org I came across this thread: http://www4.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106249 Any comments, Sean? Steinar From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steinar Bjaerum Sent: 25. februar 2005 16:34 To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Bit-correct digital out on Squeezebox? Hi. Has anyone verified that the digital out on Squeezebox (with fixed digital output level) is bit-correct? I am thinking about playing an uncompressed WAV, recording the signal at the digital output and comparing the recording with the original WAV. Is such a test part of Slimdevices test procedure? If the output is bit-correct, the Squeezebox could serve as a high-end transport when connected to an external DAC (Assuming the DAC is robust with respect to jitter.) Steinar ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] openSong with duration 0
Quoting Andreas Huster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm trying to play a .wav file from slimserver running on RedHat 9 to Windows Media player on another computer. This fails with the following entry in the log: 2005-02-25 21:54:39.2391 openSong on: file:///home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav 2005-02-25 21:54:39.2407 Got /home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav from file url file:///home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav 2005-02-25 21:54:39.2422 extracted: /home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav from file:///home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav 2005-02-25 21:54:39.2445 openSong: getting duration 0, size 0, endian and offset for file:///home/huster/music/Mozart/test.wav 2005-02-25 21:54:39.2454 openSong: not bothering opening file with zero size or duration If I first convert the file to test.mp3, the slimserver will play it without a hitch. I noticed that in the Song Info screen on the web interface, the slimserver already knows that the .mp3 file has a valid duration and the .wav file has duration 0. So, is this a problem with my .wav file or is it a problem with my slim server? How can I debug this? Do you have other WAV files that work? What version of the server are you using? if you are using the 6.0 alpha, and importing your data from itunes, musicmagic or moodlogic, a duration of zero is a possible problem. updating to a nightly build should solve that particular issue. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] switched to wireless -- now squeezebox reboots at random
If this is user error, I'd like to be the first to have someone show me where I've erred. At the SB will play for hours w/o a problem; other times (and almost exclusively when when playing Internet Radio) it will reboot and recommence playing. It's extremely annoying. My wife will not bother anymore using the SB; I put up with it and fumble for solutions like changing the router (was using Sonicwall SOHO2 router/firewall with Linksys WAP11; now using a TrendNet TEW-435BRM), changing the wireless channel, changing the WEP encryption, changing from SS as service to SS as application. etc. Indeed, changing to the Trendnet all-in-1 applicance resolved a problem I has in being able to have the SB download the genre list from Live365. So short of my anticipated move from my current 13 story apartment to a house in the country next month, where we'll see if has to do with the microwaves, cordless phones, other WIFI networks in the same building (I currently count 2 plus my own that I can detect), I too am at a loss for how this problem can be resolved. Just to reiterate, it in my case it seems related to playing internet radio through the wireless SB; ripped CDs seems to never or virtually never have this problem. Of course, should some enlightened soul be able to guide me in the right direction, I'll post the "success story" on these pages. Regards, J. Kennedy Switzerland 23b.jpg___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
