[slim] Internet Radio Problem
I'm sure this is something specific to this streaming server, but I'd like to get some input on it. I'm using the original squeezebox and slimserver 6.0 on a linux box. I am able to listen to Shoutcast stations just fine. The playlist URL is: http://www.opb.org/programs/streaming/stream-radio.pls It works just fine in iTunes and Winamp. But when I try to open it on my squeezebox, it never plays. I see "OPB Radio" on the display and the music note, but nothing happens. I turned on the d_remotestream debug option and see this in the log: 2005-03-30 22:13:29.8129 Opening connection to http://www.opb.org/programs/streaming/stream-radio.pls: [www.opb.org on port 80 with path /programs/streaming/stream-radio.pls with timeout 5] 2005-03-30 22:13:29.8535 Request: GET /programs/streaming/stream-radio.pls HTTP/1.0 Host: www.opb.org User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (linux; SlimServer 6.0.0) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-03-30 22:13:29.8950 Response: HTTP/1.1 200 OK 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9078 header: Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 06:12:28 GMT 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9087 header: Server: Apache 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9095 header: Last-Modified: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:36:31 GMT 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9103 header: ETag: "4b935-61-404625af" 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9111 header: Accept-Ranges: bytes 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9118 header: Content-Length: 97 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9126 header: Connection: close 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9134 header: Content-Type: audio/x-scpls 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9251 header: 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9255 Recieved final blank line... 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9256 opened stream! 2005-03-30 22:13:29.9676 Opening connection to http://edtv.opb.org:8000/radio.mp3: [edtv.opb.org on port 8000 with path /radio.mp3 with timeout 5] 2005-03-30 22:13:30.0063 Request: GET /radio.mp3 HTTP/1.0 Host: edtv.opb.org:8000 User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (linux; SlimServer 6.0.0) Accept: */* Cache-Control: no-cache Connection: close Icy-MetaData:1 2005-03-30 22:13:30.0778 Response: HTTP/1.1 200 OK 2005-03-30 22:13:30.0904 header: Server: QuickTime Streaming Server 5.0.3.2/452.22.3 2005-03-30 22:13:30.0913 header: Content-Type: audio/mpeg 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1037 header: Cache-Control: no-cache 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1050 header: Pragma: no-cache 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1058 header: Connection: close 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1066 header: ËÃ0ÆzÃicy-metaint:24576 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1073 header: 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1076 Recieved final blank line... 2005-03-30 22:13:30.1077 opened stream! Any help would be appreciated! - Steve ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
I was referring to the person in the thread you linked who pounced on the SB2 as having inferior sound quality than the SB1. Obviously sound quality is subjective but it's almost impossible to believe that with an external DAC that he could hear much if any difference to begin with. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 11:06 PM To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality. Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I already have the SB Audio set up to 'No Limit'. Guess I'll wait for m SB2 to arrive & do some comparisons before deciding on who to encode my library. And Jason, don't be so paranoid - I didn't condemn anything. I love the product & want to get the best out of it. Natan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
Thanks for the quick response. Yes, I already have the SB Audio set up to ‘No Limit’. Guess I’ll wait for m SB2 to arrive & do some comparisons before deciding on who to encode my library. And Jason, don’t be so paranoid – I didn’t condemn anything. I love the product & want to get the best out of it. Natan ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB1 buffer size
Phil, I don't have a magic bullet for this. When I started designing the Squeezebox1 hardware in 2002, I fully realized that an enormous buffer would be desirable. However, the architecture (which was chosen based on a long list of goals including ethernet/wireless capability, ability to drive a graphic VFD, OS performance, etc) unfortunately did not have an SDRAM interface, only SRAM, which meant that a very large (several MB) buffer would not be possible. Dean and I did a great deal of testing and never saw any problems on wired ethernet under any OS. On wireless networks there were some issues at first, which were quickly eliminated, most of them anyway, with some careful tuning of the TCP stack. What we found was that in the real world there were still a few problems. I spent many weeks studying packet dumps and optimizing TCP (http://www.seanadams.com/ip2k), testing on Windows, Mac, and Linux, getting feedback from customers, and making improvements. It is no secret that a bigger buffer would be nice - in fact I think this request has been in our public bug database since its inception. Unfortunately the only way we can make the buffer larger is to make new hardware with a larger buffer, which is exactly what we've done. Optimizing streaming performance is still an active goal. PCM streaming on Squeezebox1, even with its 256K buffer capacity, works as advertised in nearly all environments, unlike my car which can only reach its advertised top speed on less than 0.01% of the road surface in the USA. I realize this is a retarded analogy and not a kind response but consider this: we are more open than any hardware company (that I know of) in terms of admitting where there's room for improvement (bugs.slimdevices.com). We view this information not as a liability, but as priceless guidance in how to make our products better. Certain issues are simply not addressable in software (802.11g support, as another example). For those issues we develop new hardware. Finally, as protection we provide a 30-day no questions asked return period. If the product doesn't work the way you want it to, or even if you just have a change of heart for some reason, we'll take it back. During those 30 days if you have some problem we will do everything we can to resolve it for you. We'd prefer to fix it, but you can send it back no matter what. This isn't a just some bullshit buying prod like on the late-night infomercials - we actually honor this policy. It protects you if the product isn't what you thought it was, it protects you if the price plummets, and it protects you if the product doesn't work. We get very few returns. I don't know what else to say - we vastly improved PCM streaming performance by adding a huge buffer, adding 802.11g wireles support, and adding lossless compression. At the same time we added a whole slew of features in SlimServer 6 which improve SLIMP3, a product which we began selling out of my garage in 2001, and of which we have not sold a single unit since 2003. I realize that these are not huge time scales in the grand scheme of things but still, I'm lucky to get free bug fixes or free feature additions for anything after six months or so. We're doing everything we can Phil. Best wishes, Sean On Mar 30, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Phil Karn wrote: Jack Coates wrote: heh... my machine is doing a lot more than yours and I never have skips. The key issue here is streaming FLAC, IMHO, exacerbated by the size of your library. My ears aren't good enough to tell the difference, so I play MP3 and a few OGGs. I wonder if you still see dropouts when transcoding? I bet that even with the increased CPU load of running the lame process, it would still come out performing better than you have now. Well yes -- I totally agree that there's a *big* difference between streaming PCM (WAV, FLAC, Ogg and AAC) and MP3. I don't have any problem streaming MP3 either. The data rate over the LAN for MP3 is so much lower than raw PCM (320 kb/s max vs about 1411 kb/s) that the Slimserver has no trouble keeping the Squeezebox's fixed-size buffer from running completely dry in MP3 mode. My playback skips occur only when I play a file format that has to be transcoded on the server to raw, high speed PCM. Then the fixed-size SB buffer drains much more quickly, and sometimes the Slimserver doesn't refill it before it empties completely. Then I hear a skip. You're right, my skips *would* almost certainly go away if I transcoded everything to MP3 over the LAN. And yes, I have enough server CPU cycles to do that in real time. But that's a *kludge*, and I shouldn't have to resort to kludges. The Squeezebox is advertised as being able to stream raw PCM over a 100 Mb/s Ethernet LAN in real time, and that's just what I want it to do. All it would take is some careful attention paid to proper task/thread structuring and prioritization within the Slimserver package. I've bought th
Re: [slim] Synching FLAC with both SB1 and SB2
JJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have an SB1 and an SB2 on order. My collection is entirely FLAC, so I > was wondering what SlimServer 6 does when it synchs FLAC streams to > multiple Squeezeboxes when they consist of both SB1's and SB2's. Does it > send PCM to the SB1's and FLAC to the SB2's or will all streams be PCM? > I have a feeling that this hasn't quite been worked out yet. I've tried to sync my SB1 to my SB2 using the xsync.pm plug-in. The only way I got it to work was by selecting flac->mp3 via lame transcoding in the server file-types settings. I expected flac->wav to work, but it didn't. (No flacs would play on either device when they were synced.) I expect that as more SB2s are delivered into the hands of SB1 owners, this topic will get raised again and again and we'll see a fix in Slimserver v 6.0.2 or so. Just a guess. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 6.0.0 crashing during scan under linux (status update)
Okay, looks like my box is much happier now that the clock is back to 366Mhz. Slimserver used to crash after about 5 minutes. Now onto a slightly different problem... with the same box. On a library of 12,000 songs the first scan ended up taking 76M of memory at about 2 hours into the scan. Is this normal? After that 2 hours of scanning slimserver.pl exited and I had an entry in /emp/slimserver.log that said... 'Insane number of Timers 8857' Any suggestions?? Mandrake 9.1 RPM Install Perl 5.8.0 P-II 366 384M RAM jess Dan Sully wrote: * Jess Askey shaped the electrons to say... slimserver runs at about 85% cpu and 36Meg of memory on the machine until it crashes. It seems to crash in different places everytime too so Im wondering if the problem is something with my CPU overheating or something. The machine is a P-II 366 overclocked to a 533 but it has always run fine doing Apache, Postgresql and Bind. Apache isn't running on it anymore. I did used to have problems with my .shn to .mp3 conversion script (PERL) in that it would consistently crash this machine as well. So, I guess I will try dropping the CPU speed down to normal and see what happens. Jess - you have kernel Ooopses, which are beyond our control. SlimServer certainly might exercise your machine more, which exposes hardware issues. The kernel trace you sent points in either a memory issue (which could be CPU related) or a disk one (the llseek). -D ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
Sean Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > BTW S/PDIF is S/PDIF - could mean optical or coax. "TOSLink" > specifically means optical, but if you just say S/PDIF it could mean > either. > Sorry, my mistake. It's coax only. I'm a newby to the DAC and digital interface world, which is why I'm using a $137 DAC. I also don't really understand electronics either. BTW, would grounding the SB2 and the DI/O chassis together do anything? If so, where would I find a good spot to tie a ground to on the SB2? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
> >> > >> Does your DAC have optical in? > >> > > > > Nope, just S/PDIF. Waddya want for a $137 DAC? > > Crap - well this is a tricky issue to debug without poking at > it with a > scope. > > BTW S/PDIF is S/PDIF - could mean optical or coax. "TOSLink" > specifically means optical, but if you just say S/PDIF it could mean > either. > I can confirm my set up has the same issue: with no analog connections to the SB2 I get nothing out of the coax... though... my receiver does seem to freak out and attempts to try different decoding (like dolby xyz). I do have an optical IN to my receiver but don't have a cable. Thanks, Phillip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
Does your DAC have optical in? Nope, just S/PDIF. Waddya want for a $137 DAC? Crap - well this is a tricky issue to debug without poking at it with a scope. BTW S/PDIF is S/PDIF - could mean optical or coax. "TOSLink" specifically means optical, but if you just say S/PDIF it could mean either. Anyway I don't have an answer OTOH but I'll think on it... ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
Sean Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Does your DAC have optical in? > Nope, just S/PDIF. Waddya want for a $137 DAC? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
On Mar 30, 2005, at 7:58 PM, Gordon Harris wrote: Sean Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: hmmm.. must have a large ground offset between the three devices. I assume you're using coax s/pdif, right? Yes, I've tried two different coax cables for the s/pdif with no change in the behavior. I've got all the audio equipment plugged into the same wall socket surge suppresser. Does your DAC have optical in? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
Sean Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > hmmm.. must have a large ground offset between the three devices. I > assume you're using coax s/pdif, right? > Yes, I've tried two different coax cables for the s/pdif with no change in the behavior. I've got all the audio equipment plugged into the same wall socket surge suppresser. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slim Devices SB2 disappointment & SB for sale.
Phil Karn wrote: ... You're right, my skips *would* almost certainly go away if I transcoded everything to MP3 over the LAN. And yes, I have enough server CPU cycles to do that in real time. But that's a *kludge*, and I shouldn't have to resort to kludges. The Squeezebox is advertised as being able to stream raw PCM over a 100 Mb/s Ethernet LAN in real time, and that's just what I want it to do. All it would take is some careful attention paid to proper task/thread structuring and prioritization within the Slimserver package. I've bought three Squeezeboxes so far, and I paid a tidy sum of money for them. Why is it somehow unreasonable to expect them to perform as advertized? --Phil No, your requests aren't unreasonable from a customer standpoint, though I can't help but think that you do seem informed enough to have thought the issues through and had an idea what to expect beforehand. I do think that Slim Devices could have done a better job of what in my day job we call "setting expectations"... that is, gently introducing reality into the discussion without dispelling too much of the glow. As I'm sure you're aware, "some careful attention paid to proper task/thread structuring and prioritization within the Slimserver package" is easier said than done. Plenty of people have recognized that it would help, but no one has produced any code. I certainly don't have the chops or time to do it. Yes, I am trotting out the typical open source defence of "if you're not happy, patch it"... well, Slimserver is open source and plenty of its functionality has been provided by non-SDI folks, so the defence certainly applies. Sure, it'd be great if you could take the entire bullet list of features and have them all implemented in a single product... any product, really... -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How do you sync 2 players
Richard M Jones wrote: Well, specifically I have an IPAQ running GSPlayer and a squeezebox. They are in different rooms and I want them to play same music. Hope someone can help sorry, that's not going to happen because they're playing from different sources -- http streamers and boxen (real or soft) can't sync. Since the ipaq can't do anything but an http stream, you're kinda out of luck unless you can find a jre for the ipaq and run softsqueeze. -- Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture... Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
hmmm.. must have a large ground offset between the three devices. I assume you're using coax s/pdif, right? On Mar 30, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Gordon Harris wrote: I have my SqueezeBox2 connected both via the analog outs to my preamp and via SPDIF to a modified art di/o. I was trying to compare the new SB2 DAC to the DI/O. I haven't gotten the q-tips out yet, so I won't comment on the comparison. What is really weird, though, is that when I disconnect the rca cables from the SB2 analog outs, I suddenly don't get anything coming out of the SPDIF connector either. I swear I'm not high, or otherwise impaired. Even leaving one channel of the rca->analog SB2 connected keeps the digital SPDIF stream flowing...doesn't matter which channel. But, disconnect them both, and the SPDIF stream goes dead. Anyone else seeing this, or am I special? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] OK, this is totally, totally weird..
I have my SqueezeBox2 connected both via the analog outs to my preamp and via SPDIF to a modified art di/o. I was trying to compare the new SB2 DAC to the DI/O. I haven't gotten the q-tips out yet, so I won't comment on the comparison. What is really weird, though, is that when I disconnect the rca cables from the SB2 analog outs, I suddenly don't get anything coming out of the SPDIF connector either. I swear I'm not high, or otherwise impaired. Even leaving one channel of the rca->analog SB2 connected keeps the digital SPDIF stream flowing...doesn't matter which channel. But, disconnect them both, and the SPDIF stream goes dead. Anyone else seeing this, or am I special? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB1 and SB2 Case interchangeable?
Good point - sorry. I just had those images lying around already so I dragged them into the compose window without really thinking about it. On Mar 30, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Jason wrote: I hate to be an ass, but did these really have to be sent out as an attachment. It easily could have been loaded to a web server and linked to this message. It just took about 20 minutes to receive this msg. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Adams Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:30 PM To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: Re: [slim] SB1 and SB2 Case interchangeable? On Mar 30, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Matt Alioto wrote: Quick question. Are the cases for the SB1 and SB2 interchangeable? I would like to buy a wired SB2 and wrap it in an orange case From a SB1. Will it fit? A very minor modification is needed. You need to snip off a plastic peg, one from the top and one from the bottom, as shown below. This is needed to accommodate the larger 320x32 display. Those particular pegs aren't needed any more - they were just for when we had separate PCBs for the 40x2 character display and the IR sensor (ie non-graphic Squeezebox1). See below: ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] SB1 and SB2 Case interchangeable?
I hate to be an ass, but did these really have to be sent out as an attachment. It easily could have been loaded to a web server and linked to this message. It just took about 20 minutes to receive this msg. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Adams > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:30 PM > To: Slim Devices Discussion > Subject: Re: [slim] SB1 and SB2 Case interchangeable? > > > On Mar 30, 2005, at 9:57 AM, Matt Alioto wrote: > > > Quick question. > > Are the cases for the SB1 and SB2 interchangeable? > > I would like to buy a wired SB2 and wrap it in an orange case > >> From a SB1. > > Will it fit? > > A very minor modification is needed. You need to snip off a > plastic peg, one from the top and one from the bottom, as > shown below. This is needed to accommodate the larger 320x32 display. > > Those particular pegs aren't needed any more - they were just > for when we had separate PCBs for the 40x2 character display > and the IR sensor (ie non-graphic Squeezebox1). See below: > > > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Free pony offer
I am planning on ordering a SqueezeBox 2 next week. Is the "free pony" discount still available, or was that a pre-release or until the end of March offer only? -- - Mike Scott - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Got my Squuezebox2
Thanks for the fast shipping and the hard work to all of you at SlimDevices - when you say free pony, I never thought I'd actually get one! I'm doing the Slim shuffle, moving my SB1, SB2 and original SlimPlayer into their new positions around my place. All in all, it's been a good day. Steve __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
Chris Glushko wrote: But, what if you have a very large music collection and use an iPod where you interchange tracks often? This would mean that for every new track you want on your ipod, you'll have to go to your flac library, decompress the file, import it into iTunes, tag it in iTunes, compress it to the format of choice and then place the file on your iPod. ...or write a script to convert flac to mp3 automatically: http://robinbowes.com/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=5 R. -- http://robinbowes.com ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] How do you sync 2 players
Well, specifically I have an IPAQ running GSPlayer and a squeezebox. They are in different rooms and I want them to play same music. Hope someone can help Rich ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] kinks in the SB2?
Phillip Kerman wrote: First, mine goes blank for no apparent reason sometimes. Blank screen. I see that too. I don't think the unit actually crashes, but it can be disconcerting. Also, I'm trying to compare the digital out into my DAC to the internal DAC but the digital out can't stay locked (I think that's it... my receiver keeps reseting like it used to between PCM and MP3). I wonder if this is could be related to the "crunchy distortion" I reported last night with my own SB2. I can't confirm it, but it very definitely sounds like the firmware in the box is starving the DAC when it has to handle the sustained, high speed burst of incoming traffic that fills up the playback buffer with raw PCM data. If the DAC is indeed being intermittently starved, perhaps this is killing the clock on the S/P-DIF output and making it difficult for your external DAC to maintain lock. Does the problem happen on all files, or only those transcoded to raw, high speed PCM? And does it persist through the entire track, or does it only happen at the beginning? The "crunchy distortion" I notice on my SB2 only occurs on raw, high speed PCM, and only until the buffer fills. When that happens and the server backs off to its "maintenance" speed of about 1.4 megabits/sec, the distortion goes away. It just occurred to me that I could try forcing the Ethernet down to 10 megabits/sec and see if the problem still occurs. If it's indeed due to DAC starvation from lack of proper CPU real-time management, this might work around the problem by limiting the peak speed of the buffer-fill burst to only 10 Mb/s. --Phil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slim Devices SB2 disappointment & SB for sale.
Jack Coates wrote: heh... my machine is doing a lot more than yours and I never have skips. The key issue here is streaming FLAC, IMHO, exacerbated by the size of your library. My ears aren't good enough to tell the difference, so I play MP3 and a few OGGs. I wonder if you still see dropouts when transcoding? I bet that even with the increased CPU load of running the lame process, it would still come out performing better than you have now. Well yes -- I totally agree that there's a *big* difference between streaming PCM (WAV, FLAC, Ogg and AAC) and MP3. I don't have any problem streaming MP3 either. The data rate over the LAN for MP3 is so much lower than raw PCM (320 kb/s max vs about 1411 kb/s) that the Slimserver has no trouble keeping the Squeezebox's fixed-size buffer from running completely dry in MP3 mode. My playback skips occur only when I play a file format that has to be transcoded on the server to raw, high speed PCM. Then the fixed-size SB buffer drains much more quickly, and sometimes the Slimserver doesn't refill it before it empties completely. Then I hear a skip. You're right, my skips *would* almost certainly go away if I transcoded everything to MP3 over the LAN. And yes, I have enough server CPU cycles to do that in real time. But that's a *kludge*, and I shouldn't have to resort to kludges. The Squeezebox is advertised as being able to stream raw PCM over a 100 Mb/s Ethernet LAN in real time, and that's just what I want it to do. All it would take is some careful attention paid to proper task/thread structuring and prioritization within the Slimserver package. I've bought three Squeezeboxes so far, and I paid a tidy sum of money for them. Why is it somehow unreasonable to expect them to perform as advertized? --Phil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox2 physical specs
For a case mod... are the mount points the same, as was with the Slimp3 and SqueezBox1? J ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Maintaining a large library of WAV files - artwork, tagging,
Kevin Pearsall wrote: tag&rename? On Mar 29, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Daryle A. Tilroe wrote: Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun wrote: Regarding using FLAC instead of WAV – I can actually hear a substantial difference between the two. I’m currently using the original Squeezebox, so I assume I’m relying on my PC to uncompress the FLAC and stream as PCM/WAV? I’m still a touch confused by all the options surrounding this. This is unpossible unless you have something misconfigured to transcode to MP3. The uncompressed FLAC and WAV are identical. As for tagging check out EAC for doing it at rip time; otherwise I use an MP3 tagger that also supports FLAC, the name escapes me right now. Nope. In case anyone cares it was 'MP3Tag': http://www.mp3tag.de/en/index.html -- Daryle A. Tilroe ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
> aac is allegedly better but I don't think the iPod > has the sound > quality to really tell the difference between aac > and mp3 at the same > bitrate. I could of course be wrong. Sound quality on the iPod isn't an issue. I agree the difference between AAC and MP3 on the ipod is most likely negligible 99 percent of the time. > > I don't know where you live, but in the U.S. hard > drives are cheap > enough that it isn't issue keeping both lossy and > lossless. Storage space isn't an issue either. > > For uploading to the iPod - I don't use iTunes, I > use gtkpod - it's > not quite as well integrated as iTunes is, but it > also doesn't care > how many computers I have set to sync with it - I > can use the music > withing gtkpod on any number of PC's, which is nice > because I can play > the iPod playlists from the iPod through the better > sound card of > whatever computer I happen to be using - and Apple's > BS of only > allowing the iPod to connect to one computer for one > user doesn't get > in my way of me playing my legally obtained music. As long as your iPod isn't set to auto sync, you won't have issues using it on another computer. And auto sync would be useless for me as I have way too much music to fit on the ipod. > > I don't know how close they are, but there is a > sourceforge project > for a flac plugin for QuickTime. There exists one > for ogg, which does > let you play ogg in iTunes - last time I used it > (year ago or so) it > had a tendency to skip a lot and iTunes didn't > understant vorbis tags. > But maybe the tag thing is resolved, and maybe the > flac plugin has > been released - it's worth looking at if you really > do want to use > iTunes for your music. I see you point, but my point is that using iTunes to manage my music in Apple lossless works well and I suffer no audio quality loss. Plus its far simpler for loading stuff onto the ipod. I don't believe in the theory that apple lossless is just going to disappear one day, so besides that are there any drawbacks of managing all my music in iTunes and storing my music in Apple Lossless besides the fact that its too convenient? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
Wonderful that an "audiophile" is so quick to condemn the product on a discussion board when he obviously has something hosed in his setup. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Vidur Apparao > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:26 PM > To: Slim Devices Discussion > Subject: Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality. > > Mike Reeve wrote: > > >Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > >>I'm hooking my SB up to a Linn > >>DAC, and even with raw WAVs it doesn't sound half as good as the CD > >>player with digital out, so I assume it's to do with the clocking. > >> > >> > > > >Hi > > > >Just in case you are running a wireless set up ... > >... have you checked (and I apologise if you have already > done so) that > >you have set Player Settings > Bitrate Limiting to No Limit? > > > >[Recall that it defaults to transcoding to 320Kbps MP3 ... > >... I forgot this once after changing my set up and had a moment of > >shock/panic until I remembered :-O] > > > > > > > My suggestion exactly. We've done bit-accuracy testing with > FLAC, so it's definitely not in the decoder on the box. My > guess is that there's > MP3 transcoding going on. > > --Vidur > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:06:14 -0800 (PST), Chris Glushko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't use Apple Lossless for the iPod. I keep all > the files in Appple Lossless on iTunes. When I want > to put something on the iPod, I just convert the files > to AAC in iTunes, transfer them and then delete the > AAC files from the computer. I keep all my music lossless flac and keep a second directory with lame encoded versions of that lossless (I just use --preset standard) aac is allegedly better but I don't think the iPod has the sound quality to really tell the difference between aac and mp3 at the same bitrate. I could of course be wrong. I don't know where you live, but in the U.S. hard drives are cheap enough that it isn't issue keeping both lossy and lossless. For uploading to the iPod - I don't use iTunes, I use gtkpod - it's not quite as well integrated as iTunes is, but it also doesn't care how many computers I have set to sync with it - I can use the music withing gtkpod on any number of PC's, which is nice because I can play the iPod playlists from the iPod through the better sound card of whatever computer I happen to be using - and Apple's BS of only allowing the iPod to connect to one computer for one user doesn't get in my way of me playing my legally obtained music. I don't know how close they are, but there is a sourceforge project for a flac plugin for QuickTime. There exists one for ogg, which does let you play ogg in iTunes - last time I used it (year ago or so) it had a tendency to skip a lot and iTunes didn't understant vorbis tags. But maybe the tag thing is resolved, and maybe the flac plugin has been released - it's worth looking at if you really do want to use iTunes for your music. -- http://mpeters.us/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
Mike Reeve wrote: Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I'm hooking my SB up to a Linn DAC, and even with raw WAVs it doesn't sound half as good as the CD player with digital out, so I assume it's to do with the clocking. Hi Just in case you are running a wireless set up ... ... have you checked (and I apologise if you have already done so) that you have set Player Settings > Bitrate Limiting to No Limit? [Recall that it defaults to transcoding to 320Kbps MP3 ... ... I forgot this once after changing my set up and had a moment of shock/panic until I remembered :-O] My suggestion exactly. We've done bit-accuracy testing with FLAC, so it's definitely not in the decoder on the box. My guess is that there's MP3 transcoding going on. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
I think what's going on here is that the supply getting to the analog audio circuitry in the SB is not sufficiently well smoothed for audio applications. I assume that the hum is 60Hz or 120Hz and is a smooth hum rather than a buzz or harsh sound. If not, these notes may not help. You need to note a couple of things. First is the power rating of the SB. Somewhere in the docs or even on the box you should find the correct voltage and power consumption and of course the connector polarity. Any third-party PSU you try should have 5V out, the correct connector and polarization, and AT LEAST the current-providing capability that the SB demands, and preferably 150% of it - presumably 2A is good. If you were originally having problems with the supplied SB PSU, this suggests one of two things: a) the smoothing in the PSU had partially failed. You can check this by trying the PSU from the SB downstairs which presumably works fine. You do not say you've tried that. If that makes no difference, then we can assume: b) some aspect of any smoothing of the analog supplies inside the SB had failed. You can check this by swapping the two SBs which you have apparently done and didn't fix it, which again points at (a). In fact, I do not know whether or not (b) is actually valid, as I don't know what goes on in the SB for supply smoothing to the analog stages. The fact that a different PSU fixes the problem suggests that this is NOT due to hum loops or interactions between the SB and the speakers. Providing a fully-smoothed audio-quality PSU of the right current and voltage will probably solve /either/ problem, even if it is the result of a smoothing failure in the SB. You want to locate a third-party supply that is designed for audio devices such as boomboxes, portable CD players, etc. The best supplies for this purpose are generally, but today not always, linear (heavy transformer inside and fixed AC input voltage) types rather than switch-mode (small, light and universal input voltage); however it can be quite hard to find linear power units with current delivery in excess of 1A, so by all means try a switch-mode if the supplier tells you it is designed to drive audio devices. Certainly you should not get the hum if you use the digital outs, but you may well get signal degradation of other kinds if there is excess ripple on the clocking and digital output circuit supplies, so this is worth fixing at source. Hope this helps, --Richard E Robert Boltman wrote: The set-up in the bedroom is producing a really annoying hum - especially as the speakers are 6 inches from my ear!! I have tried: - alternate speakers - alternate squeezebox - plugging in to headphone jack / phono sockets - pluggng squeezebox in to separate mains spurs/rings (a downstairs one and the cooker one in the kitchen) - a ground loop isolator - an alternate power supply (from a Ipaq, same rating, 5v 2A as the supplied one) None of the above made any discernable difference. I finally tried a third power supply (this time from an Iomega external zip drive) which was only rated 5v 1A. This worked! But only for 3 months... this weekend the SB started rebooting a lot (esp when selecting max brightness), then the display started flickering, then it simply would boot at all. Swapped back for the other power supply - works fine, but the hum is back. Arghhh! :-( I assume that the SB draws more than an amp and so has knackered the p/s. What do I do now? I love the SB, and it makes a great bedside alarm clock, but I just can't sleep with the hum. The hum isn't affected by the volume on the speakers, gets a lot worse if only one channel is connected (using the phonos)?!? and is really quite audible - it can be heard the other side of the room, not just when I'm lying next to it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
> iTunes. A bit of script can drive command-line > tools to convert FLAC to And for those who don't know any code? > > Also, isn't it a bit wasteful to use Apple Lossless > encoding for iPod > playback? Doesn't it result in decreased music > storage ability, longer > transfer times onto the iPod and higher rates of > battery consumption? > Can you hear the difference when playing back > through the chip-based > amplifier in the iPod, into portable headphones, in > often noisy > listening environments? I don't use Apple Lossless for the iPod. I keep all the files in Appple Lossless on iTunes. When I want to put something on the iPod, I just convert the files to AAC in iTunes, transfer them and then delete the AAC files from the computer. > I don't mean to criticize your choices, but did want > to illustrate that > there are trade-offs with either method that are > independent of the > open-source/proprietary arguments. Feel free to critcize. I'm sure most people on this list have more expertise than I. To me personally, the only benefit of FLAC in my setup is the SB2's ability to decode it natively. Otherwise, Apple Lossless seems to be the optimal choice given that I frequently change the contents of my iPod and I like using iTunes for cataloging my music. Ideally, I'd love to keep all my music in FLAC and use OGG for my portable. But that won't happen until a portable that supports OGG can compare with the iPod and I can find a music manager that I personally like more than iTunes (that happens to be compatible with the portable player, FLAC and OGG). ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm hooking my SB up to a Linn > DAC, and even with raw WAVs it doesn't sound half as good as the CD > player with digital out, so I assume it's to do with the clocking. Hi Just in case you are running a wireless set up ... ... have you checked (and I apologise if you have already done so) that you have set Player Settings > Bitrate Limiting to No Limit? [Recall that it defaults to transcoding to 320Kbps MP3 ... ... I forgot this once after changing my set up and had a moment of shock/panic until I remembered :-O] Mike ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SlimServer 6.0 on FreeBSD
Does anyone have a working startup script for SlimServer 6.0 on FreeBSD? The old one that I've been using with 5.x doesn't want to start 6.0. I end up with errors like the following: Starting slimserver. Use of uninitialized value in -e at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Utils/Prefs.pm line 123. Use of uninitialized value in -d at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/File/Path.pm line 153. fileparse(): need a valid pathname at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.6/File/Path.pm line 154 Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Plugins.pm line 20. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Plugins.pm line 20. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Common.pm line 15. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Common.pm line 15. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Settings.pm line 11. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Buttons/Settings.pm line 11. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Display/Display.pm line 14. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Display/Display.pm line 14. Compilation failed in require at /usr/local/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 205. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/slimserver/slimserver.pl line 205. But it runs find when running the same command from the command line as the slimserver user (which the startup script should be doing). -- Dan Rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.employees.org/~drich/ | "Step up to red alert!" "Are you sure, sir? | It means changing the bulb in the sign..." | - Red Dwarf (BBC) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
When I had this, it was a duff cable. Have you tried changing the cable, or is it permanently attached to the speakers? Jon. Robert Boltman wrote: Hi, Getting really frustrated now. Don't know what to do... I've got two SB1s - one in the lounge hooked up to hifi etc. the second in the bedroom connected to a pair of powered "computer" speakers, acting as a bedside table radio-alarm clock. The set-up in the bedroom is producing a really annoying hum - especially as the speakers are 6 inches from my ear!! I have tried: - alternate speakers - alternate squeezebox - plugging in to headphone jack / phono sockets - pluggng squeezebox in to separate mains spurs/rings (a downstairs one and the cooker one in the kitchen) - a ground loop isolator - an alternate power supply (from a Ipaq, same rating, 5v 2A as the supplied one) None of the above made any discernable difference. I finally tried a third power supply (this time from an Iomega external zip drive) which was only rated 5v 1A. This worked! But only for 3 months... this weekend the SB started rebooting a lot (esp when selecting max brightness), then the display started flickering, then it simply would boot at all. Swapped back for the other power supply - works fine, but the hum is back. Arghhh! :-( I assume that the SB draws more than an amp and so has knackered the p/s. What do I do now? I love the SB, and it makes a great bedside alarm clock, but I just can't sleep with the hum. The hum isn't affected by the volume on the speakers, gets a lot worse if only one channel is connected (using the phonos)?!? and is really quite audible - it can be heard the other side of the room, not just when I'm lying next to it. Hmmm. (no pun intended ;-) What do I do now?? Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. cheers Rob ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
Yeah, stand-alone DACs seem steep for this setup... Cheap a/v amp off eBay might do the trick. I can always bung it on the floor under the bed - it's not as if I need to touch/see it ever. Just as long as that doesn't humm as well!!! I'd be happy to plug passive speakers in to it if I could find half-decent small ones, but we're talking sub-sub bookshelf here to fit on the bedside table. The powered ones I've got sound really good for their size so I'm happy with them though. On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 17:19:48 -0500, Jeff Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2005-03-30-16:50:31 Robert Boltman: > > Another thought I had was to use the digital output and then an d-to-a > > - perhaps a cheap amp with digital in and a tape loop. Would that > > isolate it? > > If you use the Toslink (optical) digital output from the SB, that'd > definitely isolate it from the next component -- no electrical > connection at all, thus no ground loops or whatever other nasties. > > I'm still curious about what's causing the problem, though -- if that > particular SB1 sample is prone to noise leakage, or if there's a ground > loop (is the SB using wired ether, connected to other equipment powered > from a different hunk of your mains?) or some kind of RF pickup... > Here's where my ignorance shows, do ethernet connections routinely have > any sort of optical or transformer isolation? > > If you choose the digital-out method, the question becomes what to have > next in the stream. A standalone DAC would seem the natural thing to > have your powered speakers plugged into, but standalone DACs, as things > largely bought by highfalutin' audiophiles, might mostly be unexpectedly > expensive. A/V receivers (plenty of sales volume at the low end of the > market) have gotten shockingly cheap these days -- but that could be a > bulky rig for your bedside table, and one would usually expect to plug > passive speakers into one. I guess you were talking about using a line > out from one such, basically just to get the use of the DAC. Better > confirm that that works properly with the particular model you > consider. > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
2005-03-30-16:50:31 Robert Boltman: > Another thought I had was to use the digital output and then an d-to-a > - perhaps a cheap amp with digital in and a tape loop. Would that > isolate it? If you use the Toslink (optical) digital output from the SB, that'd definitely isolate it from the next component -- no electrical connection at all, thus no ground loops or whatever other nasties. I'm still curious about what's causing the problem, though -- if that particular SB1 sample is prone to noise leakage, or if there's a ground loop (is the SB using wired ether, connected to other equipment powered from a different hunk of your mains?) or some kind of RF pickup... Here's where my ignorance shows, do ethernet connections routinely have any sort of optical or transformer isolation? If you choose the digital-out method, the question becomes what to have next in the stream. A standalone DAC would seem the natural thing to have your powered speakers plugged into, but standalone DACs, as things largely bought by highfalutin' audiophiles, might mostly be unexpectedly expensive. A/V receivers (plenty of sales volume at the low end of the market) have gotten shockingly cheap these days -- but that could be a bulky rig for your bedside table, and one would usually expect to plug passive speakers into one. I guess you were talking about using a line out from one such, basically just to get the use of the DAC. Better confirm that that works properly with the particular model you consider. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] struggling with AlienBBC and Mplayer
Hi Neil
Thanks for replying. When I try to compile 1.0pre6 I get the following
error:
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:2309: Error: Illegal operands: There are only 32 single
precision f registers; [0-31]
make: *** [spudec.o] Error 1
I Googled it and found a few references
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-sparc64/2004-December/002465.
html
but I'll be honest, I'm not a Solaris admin or a programmer.
I'm more familiar with Linux but I'm not near the level of most of the
folks in this forum. I've tried updating binutils but that didn't make
a difference.
I ended up with 1.0pre5 cause I found it pre-built for Solaris.
Any help to solve this error would be appreciated.
Matt
Are you able to use mplayer 1.0pre6 on your system? I use it on Windows
and it works ok with the stream you tried.
Neil
Matt Alioto wrote:
> -bash-3.00# mplayer -playlist
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio2/paul_jones.rpm
> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.4.2 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
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Re: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
See this post on another audio board. Very interesting, or troubling, or ... something. http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/3341.html - Original Message - From: "Natan & Nicki Tiefenbrun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:59 PM Subject: [slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality. Julian, I read your post with great enthusiasm - I'm hooking my SB up to a Linn DAC, and even with raw WAVs it doesn't sound half as good as the CD player with digital out, so I assume it's to do with the clocking. I was wondering, with SB2, can you discern any difference between WAV & FLAC streamed from the server? I ask because I'm about to pay someone to rip my whole CD collection, and can't decide whether to go FLAC with Tags, or use directory/filename and stick with WAV. Got plenty of storage, so compression not a requirement. One other deciding factor would be the ease of converting the whole library back to mp3/aac so that I could also load my ipod etc. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
Robert Boltman wrote: Although a particular different p/s helped, two others I tried didn't and the one that was successful was under-rated. I guess I could try and find some more. If it's passing it through what sort of filter would you suggest - I've seen various products but I wondered if many of them were just hi-fi snake-oil... perhaps not. Yeah, you just don't know what's gonna work till you try it. Might try visiting RadioShack and seeing what they've got. It's an easy return anyway. I've had good luck finding wallwarts at a local thrift shop that carries a lot of electronics. They have a huge rack of P/Ss and cords. There are some reasonably priced and effective A/C line filters out there. I've heard good things about the Isobar filtering powerstrips. I use a Brickwall on my hifi, but that's overkill for this application. Another thought I had was to use the digital output and then an d-to-a - perhaps a cheap amp with digital in and a tape loop. Would that isolate it? (I could always just run speakers off the amp I suppose but I only really need very small speakers for a bedside table. This might just work. Especially promising would be the use of the optical digital out. Those cables aren't electrically conductive and should provide isolation. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
Chris Glushko wrote: But, what if you have a very large music collection and use an iPod where you interchange tracks often? This would mean that for every new track you want on your ipod, you'll have to go to your flac library, decompress the file, import it into iTunes, tag it in iTunes, compress it to the format of choice and then place the file on your iPod. Not really. There are easier ways if you are willing to jump outside of iTunes. A bit of script can drive command-line tools to convert FLAC to formats that the iPod can play. Tags need not be lost in conversion. And if you have the storage space, keep both FLAC and lossy versions. This is perhaps sub-optimal, but is not as bad as the process you've described. Also, isn't it a bit wasteful to use Apple Lossless encoding for iPod playback? Doesn't it result in decreased music storage ability, longer transfer times onto the iPod and higher rates of battery consumption? Can you hear the difference when playing back through the chip-based amplifier in the iPod, into portable headphones, in often noisy listening environments? Unfortunately, iPod and SB2 have different capabilities when it comes to lossless. iPod doesn't do FLAC at all, and SB2 doesn't do Apple Lossless natively. And any lossless format makes more sense for high fidelity playback and archival purposes than it does for use in portables. I don't mean to criticize your choices, but did want to illustrate that there are trade-offs with either method that are independent of the open-source/proprietary arguments. I'm facing the same issue myself and will probably go the double storage route until a portable player comes along the changes the equation. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/05 4:37 PM >>> > But, what if you have a very large music > collection and use an iPod where you interchange > tracks often? This would mean that for every > new track you want on your ipod, you'll have to > go to your flac library, decompress the file, import > it into iTunes, tag it in iTunes, compress it to the > format of choice and then place the file on your iPod. I transcode to mp3 in a mirrored type of directory as a nightly cron job. MP3 is good enough for portable music (for me) and it's the only format that all my music exists in. I have FLAC for CD rips, and WAV for tape and vinyl. Everything gets put to mp3 so I can listen on my Archos. I've been thinking about an ipod, but refuse to use iTunes to manage the songs on it. I have friends that have ipods and use ipodlinux and love it. > I have no problems with FLAC (and the fact that > theSB2 natively supports FLAC has me drooling), > but the ability to keep all my music in iTunes in a > lossless format keeps me using Apple Lossless (even > if I have sold my soul to the devil). LOL...that's funny. My only fear of going the ipod route is that one of the reasons for going there is I have an Alpine head unit in my car, and having the ability to control my portable music player from the head unit where I have a remote for my other passengers to fight over would be really cool. > - Chris > ps - I know someone is going to bring up the fact > that there are alternatives to the iPod, like the > iRiver. However, I've found that the iRiver for > all it can do is nowhere near as good of a portable > music player. In addition, iTunes is a great > program for cataloging your music collection. > I totally agree. There's a reason Apple hires lots of industrial designers. Their hardware is the coolest and just about the most well-designed stuff in the industry. iTunes is ok for keeping track of music. I've been thinking about using it for my mp3 collection, but can't bring myself to do it. > pss - Aren't you being a little over dramatic in > your scenario above? I highly doubt Apple > Lossless is just going to disappear one day in > the blink of an eye with nothing left on the > planet to support it. Am I? Apple has already lost one battle in the courts and promised to stay out of music. If it weren't for Michael's distractions lately, who knows? Maybe Apple vs. Apple will be the next great Groklaw debate. If there's no corporation backing iTunes or Apple Lossless, how long do you think the format would survive? I don't see too many open source projects for DRM out there... (stirring the DRM pot again...) Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox 2 audio quality.
Julian, I read your post with great enthusiasm – I’m hooking my SB up to a Linn DAC, and even with raw WAVs it doesn’t sound half as good as the CD player with digital out, so I assume it’s to do with the clocking. I was wondering, with SB2, can you discern any difference between WAV & FLAC streamed from the server? I ask because I’m about to pay someone to rip my whole CD collection, and can’t decide whether to go FLAC with Tags, or use directory/filename and stick with WAV. Got plenty of storage, so compression not a requirement. One other deciding factor would be the ease of converting the whole library back to mp3/aac so that I could also load my ipod etc. Tks Natan ===WE JUST UPDATED OUR WEBSITE WITH RECENT PHOTOS=== Natan, Nicki & Ely Tiefenbrun [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.tiefenbrun.com Yahoo Messenger IDs: natannicki, natan_work MSN Messenger ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AOL Messenger IDs: natannicki, Natan Instinet ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] alienBBC 0.94 - listen live causes crash
I think this is a problem with 0.94 and SlimServer V6. There is a new version in the pipeline, please bear with us it will be here soon. Neil hudsonk wrote: > Neil > > From that command I got a working listen live stream for the 1st time > - this surprised me enormously as it looked like you were simply > asking for more debugging options to be selected. > > I then realised that I had selected my SliMP3 and not the SB that I > had been using for my previous testing. This was the first time I had > selected a live stream to the SliMP3 so I'm now much happier in the > knowledge that I can get the stream somewhere in the house. > > But, the server continues to crash when I select a live stream for > the wireless SB. The output (after much parsing) is as follows: > > > > ParserFixup: Prepending domain to part-relative URL (yielding: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/contact_aod.shtml) > parser: link 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/contact_aod.shtml' > parser: text 'Contact us' > Playable L:http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/contact_aod.shtml T:Contact us > ParserFixup: Prepending domain to part-relative URL (yielding: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index_noframes.shtml) > parser: link 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/index_noframes.shtml' > Going to Item: 0 > PlayableAODItem: Trying to get stream for: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml > Going to parse: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml 2005-03-29 > 21:40:38.6837 Opening connection to > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml: > [www.bbc.co.uk on port 80 with > path/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml with timeout 15] 2005-03-29 > 21:40:38.7139 Request: GET /radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml > HTTP/1.0 Host: www.bbc.co.uk User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (linux; > SlimServer 6.0b3) Accept: */* > Cache-Control: no-cache > Connection: close > Icy-MetaData:1 > > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.7513 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8086 header: Accept-Ranges: bytes > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8098 header: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:36:25 GMT > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8107 header: Content-Type: text/html > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8550 header: Server: Apache/2.0.51 (Unix) > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8572 header: Set-Cookie: > BBC-UID=7422b4e90bbcb4d9ad8c76e8a1cb6d810046092df01080532bda50fb220768 > fb0iTunes%2f3%2e0%20%28linux%3b%20SlimServer%206%2e0b3%29; > expires=Sat, 28-Mar-09 20:36:25 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk; > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8593 header: Set-Cookie: > BBC-UID=7422b4e90bbcb4d9ad8c76e8a1cb6d810046092df01080532bda50fb220768 > fb0iTunes%2f3%2e0%20%28linux%3b%20SlimServer%206%2e0b3%29; > expires=Sat, 28-Mar-09 20:36:25 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk; > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8601 header: 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8605 Recieved > final blank line... 2005-03-29 21:40:38.8608 opened stream! Use of > uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at > /usr/local/SlimServer/Plugins/Alien/AlienPlayableAodItem.pm line 92. > FixUpurl: Dest = '/6music/ram/dsatg2.rpm', Orig = '' ParserFixup: > Prepending domain to part-relative URL (yielding: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ram/dsatg2.rpm) PlayableAODItem got: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ram/dsatg2.rpm Going to play: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ram/dsatg2.rpm PlayableAODItem: Trying to > get stream for: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml Going to > parse: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml > 2005-03-29 21:40:38.9791 Opening connection to > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml: > [www.bbc.co.uk on port 80 with > path/radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml with timeout 15] 2005-03-29 > 21:40:39.0129 Request: GET /radio/aod/networks/6music/live.shtml > HTTP/1.0 Host: www.bbc.co.uk User-Agent: iTunes/3.0 (linux; > SlimServer 6.0b3) Accept: */* > Cache-Control: no-cache > Connection: close > Icy-MetaData:1 > > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.0670 Response: HTTP/1.0 200 OK > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.1236 header: Accept-Ranges: bytes > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.1248 header: Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:36:25 GMT > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.1258 header: Content-Type: text/html > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2552 header: Server: Apache/2.0.51 (Unix) > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2588 header: Set-Cookie: > BBC-UID=c432c489cb4cf499bdbca6da3198d55a1668cec61050d0031baaa06ba25758 > 2b0iTunes%2f3%2e0%20%28linux%3b%20SlimServer%206%2e0b3%29; > expires=Sat, 28-Mar-09 20:36:25 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk; > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2635 header: Set-Cookie: > BBC-UID=c432c489cb4cf499bdbca6da3198d55a1668cec61050d0031baaa06ba25758 > 2b0iTunes%2f3%2e0%20%28linux%3b%20SlimServer%206%2e0b3%29; > expires=Sat, 28-Mar-09 20:36:25 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk; > 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2662 header: 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2672 Recieved > final blank line... 2005-03-29 21:40:39.2682 opened stream! Use of > uninitialized value in concatenation (.) or string at > /usr/local/SlimServer/Plugins/Alien/AlienPlayableAodItem.pm line 92. > FixUpurl: Dest = '/6music/ram/dsatg2.rpm', Orig = '' Pa
Re: [slim] struggling with AlienBBC and Mplayer
Matt Are you able to use mplayer 1.0pre6 on your system? I use it on Windows and it works ok with the stream you tried. Neil Matt Alioto wrote: > -bash-3.00# mplayer -playlist > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio2/paul_jones.rpm > MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.4.2 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
Right - to clear up some confusion - when I said phono, I meant RCA outputs - nothing to do with record players. Sorry. I've got powered, amplified computer speakers, no separate amp etc. Ron: Although a particular different p/s helped, two others I tried didn't and the one that was successful was under-rated. I guess I could try and find some more. If it's passing it through what sort of filter would you suggest - I've seen various products but I wondered if many of them were just hi-fi snake-oil... perhaps not. Another thought I had was to use the digital output and then an d-to-a - perhaps a cheap amp with digital in and a tape loop. Would that isolate it? (I could always just run speakers off the amp I suppose but I only really need very small speakers for a bedside table. On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:41:46 -0500, ron thigpen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Robert Boltman wrote: > > > Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. > > it sounds like you've already successfully debugged the problem. from > your description of the problem, it sounds like the SB P/S is generating > or passing some noise that is making it's way into the analog outs. > swapping P/S units resolved it, no? > > if this is the case, you might try one of two solutions: find an > alternate P/S with the appropriate output that doesn't pass/generate the > noise, or, on the theory that it is passing noise, try doing some > filtering of your A/C. > > --rt > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
Robert Boltman wrote: Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. it sounds like you've already successfully debugged the problem. from your description of the problem, it sounds like the SB P/S is generating or passing some noise that is making it's way into the analog outs. swapping P/S units resolved it, no? if this is the case, you might try one of two solutions: find an alternate P/S with the appropriate output that doesn't pass/generate the noise, or, on the theory that it is passing noise, try doing some filtering of your A/C. --rt ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
> What happens when Apple Computer loses any court > battle with Apple Records and is forced to either > get out > of the music business or give its music technology > to > Apple Records? > > I love Apple, but I hate their music distribution > ideas > and anything having to do with proprietary formats. > > Go FLAC, you'll never go back. Another good thing > is that if you go with flac, the decode is happening > > on the sb2. With apple lossless, the decode is > happening on the server. But, what if you have a very large music collection and use an iPod where you interchange tracks often? This would mean that for every new track you want on your ipod, you'll have to go to your flac library, decompress the file, import it into iTunes, tag it in iTunes, compress it to the format of choice and then place the file on your iPod. I have no problems with FLAC (and the fact that the SB2 natively supports FLAC has me drooling), but the ability to keep all my music in iTunes in a lossless format keeps me using Apple Lossless (even if I have sold my soul to the devil). - Chris ps - I know someone is going to bring up the fact that there are alternatives to the iPod, like the iRiver. However, I've found that the iRiver for all it can do is nowhere near as good of a portable music player. In addition, iTunes is a great program for cataloging your music collection. pss - Aren't you being a little over dramatic in your scenario above? I highly doubt Apple Lossless is just going to disappear one day in the blink of an eye with nothing left on the planet to support it. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
lossless means nothing is lost. Therefore Apple lossless would sound the same as FLAC lossless. Jay On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 16:24:07 -0500, PAUL WILLIAMSON <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/05 4:08 PM >>> > > I want to maximize my sound quality and have started converting > > everything to apple lossless - basically it seemed the best bet given > > I use itunes all the time * I suppose I could use something like > > dbpoweramp to batch reconvert to Flac but based on previous > > mailings I'm getting confused*is converting to Flac actually > > going to bring anything it terms of sound quality? Or am I getting > > as good as it gets from apple lossless on sb2? > > (when mine arrives!) > > > > graham > > What happens when Apple Computer loses any court > battle with Apple Records and is forced to either get out > of the music business or give its music technology to > Apple Records? > > I love Apple, but I hate their music distribution ideas > and anything having to do with proprietary formats. > > Go FLAC, you'll never go back. Another good thing > is that if you go with flac, the decode is happening > on the sb2. With apple lossless, the decode is > happening on the server. > > Paul > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
i've never seen a set of powered (amplifiers built in) computer speakers that have a phonograph level input. i suspect he is using the term more generically. RCA type jacks/plugs are often referred to as "phono jacks". it's a holdover from olden times. now, plugging the SB1 analog outs into the headphone outs on these speakers, that's another thing entirely. --rt momerath wrote: Do I understand correctly that you have your SB plugged into the phono inputs on your amp/receiver? If so, do you have any other input on the receiver? Aux or tape should work better. I dont know in what way record players' outputs are technically different from newer components, but they are. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've got two SB1s - one in the lounge hooked up to hifi etc. the second in the bedroom connected to a pair of powered "computer" speakers, acting as a bedside table radio-alarm clock. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Upgrade notes for 5.4.0 RPM to 6.0.0
Hi: I looked at the release notes to see if there were any issues in upgrading from 5.4.0 to 6.0.0. I know that I will have to upgrade Softsqueeze to the appropriate 2.0bx release, but are there any other steps that I should take before doing an 'rpm -Uvh'? My setup is the following: 1. Linux FC3 server running Slimserver 5.4.0 (maybe one of the nightlies 2005_01_01-1 it turns out) 2. 2 Softsqueeze installations 3. 1 SB1 4. 1 SB2 (any day now I guess) 5. Approximately 5000 FLAC music files on a NFS file server 6. Linksys WAP54g Access Point I have had good luck to date with this setup. I want to understand if I need to save any config information or anything else to make the transition easy as possible. -MA ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/05 4:08 PM >>> > I want to maximize my sound quality and have started converting > everything to apple lossless - basically it seemed the best bet given > I use itunes all the time * I suppose I could use something like > dbpoweramp to batch reconvert to Flac but based on previous > mailings I'm getting confused*is converting to Flac actually > going to bring anything it terms of sound quality? Or am I getting > as good as it gets from apple lossless on sb2? > (when mine arrives!) > > graham What happens when Apple Computer loses any court battle with Apple Records and is forced to either get out of the music business or give its music technology to Apple Records? I love Apple, but I hate their music distribution ideas and anything having to do with proprietary formats. Go FLAC, you'll never go back. Another good thing is that if you go with flac, the decode is happening on the sb2. With apple lossless, the decode is happening on the server. Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] Help - hummmm
>> Do I understand correctly that you have your SB plugged into the phono >> inputs on your amp/receiver? If so, do you have any other input on >> the receiver? Aux or tape should work better. I dont know in what >> way record players' outputs are technically different from newer >> components, but they are. > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization > Less technical than reading the wikipedia: phono inputs are amp'd to bring the input level up to the standard line level within the receiver -- this because the needle in a record player puts out a very weak signal that requires such amping. That's also why you can't plug a record player into a standard line-level in without an external phono amp, unless you don't want to hear anything. The other power supply probably killed the hum because the p/s couldn't supply enough power for the squeezebox's amp to reach full power, so it was sending out something closer to a phono-level output. Quick solution here would be to use another input. Of course, if you are NOT using the phono input...I might be stumped. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Apple lossless vs Flac
I want to maximize my sound quality and have started converting everything to apple lossless - basically it seemed the best bet given I use itunes all the time – I suppose I could use something like dbpoweramp to batch reconvert to Flac but based on previous mailings I’m getting confused…is converting to Flac actually going to bring anything it terms of sound quality? Or am I getting as good as it gets from apple lossless on sb2? (when mine arrives!) graham -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.5 - Release Date: 29/03/2005 ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] kinks in the SB2? [a little OT: audiophilia]
2005-03-30-09:48:22 Sean Adams: > I've been procrastinating upgrading my home receiver to a RSX1056 so I > can fiddle around with driving its RS232 interface through the > geekport... I guess this is my excuse. :) My apologies for another post related to the disease of audiophilia rather than directly about Slimstuff (soon's my shiny silver SB2 ships, I'll get dragged back on topic) but that won't stop me. I haven't heard this Rotel, although Rotels through the years have sounded swell and this one may sound absolutely fabulous, so this isn't to be interpreted as anything negative about the RSX1056, and it'd be swell for you to end up having the proper hardware to debug this digital-lock problem, but... when I hear of someone shopping for an AVR in that price range, I have to recommend giving a listen to the Arcams (AVR-250 and AVR-300) before making a final decision. I have an AVR-250, and it offers more than a hint of the spooky subtle-detail reproduction from digital sources provided by its fancy sibling the AV8. There's something about the way current Arcams do D/A that I like. That having been said, I can report on the downside: my AVR-250 occasionally (maybe a couple of times a week) gets a little "confused", for example after switching from a digital input to the built-in tuner no sound comes out, but switching back and forth once more fixes it. I never had this problem with a faithful Denon, but the musicality of the Arcam totally makes it worth putting up with a few minor quirks, at least to me. The Arcams can be controlled via an RS-232 port after the fashion of all that fancy-pants installer-integrated stuff; is that the RS-232 functionality you were referring to? The codes are toward the end of the manual: http://www.arcam.co.uk/downloads/DiVA%20AVR250%20handbook.pdf Anyhow, sorry for the hijack, and back to your regularly-scheduled program. For a hint of the on-topic, my AVR-250 is getting along swell fed by an SB1 and we'll see Real Soon (I hope) how it gets on with the miracle of the SB2. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lockup problem
Is your Linux box leaving any messages in /var/log? My slimserver was crashing on my MDK 9.1 box during a rescan. I will try letting it run without scanning to see if I have the same problems. In my case however, I think it may be a hardware issue. But look in /var/log/messages to see if slimserver posted anything strange. My slimserver.log always empty unless I turn on debugging flags. Dave Horoschak wrote: I've been having lockup problems since 6.0b2 and continue to have them with the 6.0 release. On a Mandrake 9.0 dedicated (Samba) file server, I installed SlimServer. Previously, the system had been up & running with a problems for about 2 years. Now that I installed SlimServer, it dsoesn't stay up for more than 24 hours. It locks up hard so that I can't Telnet in, the webserver doesn't work, etc. What's the best way of troubleshooting this problem? slimserver.log doesn't have any data in it. After a reboot, everything seems to run fine until it crashes again. Indidentally, this occurs without any Slim clients ever connecting to the server. Any thoughts? - Dave ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
momerath wrote: Do I understand correctly that you have your SB plugged into the phono inputs on your amp/receiver? If so, do you have any other input on the receiver? Aux or tape should work better. I dont know in what way record players' outputs are technically different from newer components, but they are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help - hummmm
Do I understand correctly that you have your SB plugged into the phono inputs on your amp/receiver? If so, do you have any other input on the receiver? Aux or tape should work better. I dont know in what way record players' outputs are technically different from newer components, but they are. ~Michael On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:45:32 +0100, Robert Boltman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Getting really frustrated now. Don't know what to do... > > I've got two SB1s - one in the lounge hooked up to hifi etc. the > second in the bedroom connected to a pair of powered "computer" > speakers, acting as a bedside table radio-alarm clock. > > The set-up in the bedroom is producing a really annoying hum - > especially as the speakers are 6 inches from my ear!! > > I have tried: > - alternate speakers > - alternate squeezebox > - plugging in to headphone jack / phono sockets > - pluggng squeezebox in to separate mains spurs/rings (a downstairs > one and the cooker one in the kitchen) > - a ground loop isolator > - an alternate power supply (from a Ipaq, same rating, 5v 2A as the > supplied one) > > None of the above made any discernable difference. > > I finally tried a third power supply (this time from an Iomega > external zip drive) which was only rated 5v 1A. This worked! But only > for 3 months... this weekend the SB started rebooting a lot (esp when > selecting max brightness), then the display started flickering, then > it simply would boot at all. Swapped back for the other power supply - > works fine, but the hum is back. > > Arghhh! :-( > > I assume that the SB draws more than an amp and so has knackered the p/s. > > What do I do now? I love the SB, and it makes a great bedside alarm > clock, but I just can't sleep with the hum. > > The hum isn't affected by the volume on the speakers, gets a lot worse > if only one channel is connected (using the phonos)?!? and is really > quite audible - it can be heard the other side of the room, not just > when I'm lying next to it. > > Hmmm. (no pun intended ;-) > > What do I do now?? > > Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. > > cheers > Rob > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] genre listing suggestion
James Dunn wrote: AFIK this is a change from the behaviour of 5.X; I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature. The only reason I say this is that "Rock/Pop" is a recognised genre type as far as I can tell but Slimserver now splits it up to two genre categories Rock and Pop, both containing the same tracks (same content, that is, as long as you don't use "Rock" or "Pop" only for some tracks). I'm pretty sure that 5.X kept the "Rock/Pop" genre in one piece. I'm not too hung up about this as I don't really use genres much at present. 5.x definitely behaved the same way -- I've been using this feature on my collection all along with 5.4 and 5.4.1. The change in 6.0 might be the default separator -- I think in 5.x it was ";" (at least that's the separator I'm currently using), not "/". - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] genre listing suggestion
> some of the files I have, have multiple genre listings separated by commas. > Was wondering if the "browse by genre" listings could be a little smart and > show those items as well. I.E. If I wanted to make an 80s playlist and go > to the 80s genre folder, it would also include mp3s that have the genre > "post punk,80s", "synthpop,80s", "hard rock,80s" and so forth. Hey Christine--this ability is already built into slimserver! just go to server settings -> behavior and a little ways down the page you'll see the option for multiple items in tags. In your case you'd enter that you want to use a comma as the delimiter. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] genre listing suggestion
Christine, As long as you're using 6.0, replace the "," with a "/" and you should have what you want I think. Alternatively, change the "multiple items in tags" settings (Server Settings->Behaviour) to "," and you should also get what you want. Bare in mind that this setting seems to work on all tags (or a range of them at least) so if you use "," elsewhere in tags you might get some funny results in searches. AFIK this is a change from the behaviour of 5.X; I'm not sure if this is a bug or a feature. The only reason I say this is that "Rock/Pop" is a recognised genre type as far as I can tell but Slimserver now splits it up to two genre categories Rock and Pop, both containing the same tracks (same content, that is, as long as you don't use "Rock" or "Pop" only for some tracks). I'm pretty sure that 5.X kept the "Rock/Pop" genre in one piece. I'm not too hung up about this as I don't really use genres much at present. Cheers, James -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of c_death Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:36 PM To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com Subject:[slim] genre listing suggestion This could be in the update in which will happen tonight, since the server is freshly installed but if not... some of the files I have, have multiple genre listings separated by commas. Was wondering if the "browse by genre" listings could be a little smart and show those items as well. I.E. If I wanted to make an 80s playlist and go to the 80s genre folder, it would also include mp3s that have the genre "post punk,80s", "synthpop,80s", "hard rock,80s" and so forth. thanks, --- Christine |Waiting for the Blackouts: Goth Industrial 80s Deathrock | |Darkwave Ethereal Alternative, Rock Batcave Psychobilly | |Plus what ever else that catches my fancy!| | | |http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?membername=c_death| |http://www.perkigoth.com/waitingforthe| ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help - hummmm
Hi, Getting really frustrated now. Don't know what to do... I've got two SB1s - one in the lounge hooked up to hifi etc. the second in the bedroom connected to a pair of powered "computer" speakers, acting as a bedside table radio-alarm clock. The set-up in the bedroom is producing a really annoying hum - especially as the speakers are 6 inches from my ear!! I have tried: - alternate speakers - alternate squeezebox - plugging in to headphone jack / phono sockets - pluggng squeezebox in to separate mains spurs/rings (a downstairs one and the cooker one in the kitchen) - a ground loop isolator - an alternate power supply (from a Ipaq, same rating, 5v 2A as the supplied one) None of the above made any discernable difference. I finally tried a third power supply (this time from an Iomega external zip drive) which was only rated 5v 1A. This worked! But only for 3 months... this weekend the SB started rebooting a lot (esp when selecting max brightness), then the display started flickering, then it simply would boot at all. Swapped back for the other power supply - works fine, but the hum is back. Arghhh! :-( I assume that the SB draws more than an amp and so has knackered the p/s. What do I do now? I love the SB, and it makes a great bedside alarm clock, but I just can't sleep with the hum. The hum isn't affected by the volume on the speakers, gets a lot worse if only one channel is connected (using the phonos)?!? and is really quite audible - it can be heard the other side of the room, not just when I'm lying next to it. Hmmm. (no pun intended ;-) What do I do now?? Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. cheers Rob ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SB2 startup glitches
Phil Karn wrote: Additional comment: the "crunching" during startup does *not* occur with the original SB running off the same v6.0.0 server. The problem happens only with the SB2, and only when playing FLAC or OGG, not MP3. Haven't tried other file types. Phil, I'm not able to reproduce the problem with FLAC playback on either wired or wireless SB2, but I do hear something similar to what you're describing when trying to play SlimTris while FLAC is playing. SlimTris is triggering a large number of display updates - handling the large amount of network traffic seems to effect FLAC playback. I'm still trying to track down exactly what's happening on the box. Thanks for the report. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] genre listing suggestion
This could be in the update in which will happen tonight, since the server is freshly installed but if not... some of the files I have, have multiple genre listings separated by commas. Was wondering if the "browse by genre" listings could be a little smart and show those items as well. I.E. If I wanted to make an 80s playlist and go to the 80s genre folder, it would also include mp3s that have the genre "post punk,80s", "synthpop,80s", "hard rock,80s" and so forth. thanks, --- Christine |Waiting for the Blackouts: Goth Industrial 80s Deathrock | |Darkwave Ethereal Alternative, Rock Batcave Psychobilly | |Plus what ever else that catches my fancy!| | | |http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?membername=c_death| |http://www.perkigoth.com/waitingforthe| ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Help - audible hum!
Hi, Getting really frustrated now. Don't know what to do... I've got two SB1s - one in the lounge hooked up to hifi etc. the second in the bedroom connected to a pair of powered "computer" speakers, acting as a bedside table radio-alarm clock. The set-up in the bedroom is producing a really annoying hum - especially as the speakers are 6 inches from my ear!! I have tried: - alternate speakers - alternate squeezebox - plugging in to headphone jack / phono sockets - pluggng squeezebox in to separate mains spurs/rings (a downstairs one and the cooker one in the kitchen) - a ground loop isolator - an alternate power supply (from a Ipaq, same rating, 5v 2A as the supplied one) None of the above made any discernable difference. I finally tried a third power supply (this time from an Iomega external zip drive) which was only rated 5v 1A. This worked! But only for 3 months... this weekend the SB started rebooting a lot (esp when selecting max brightness), then the display started flickering, then it simply would boot at all. Swapped back for the other power supply - works fine, but the hum is back. Arghhh! :-( I assume that the SB draws more than an amp and so has knackered the p/s. What do I do now? I love the SB, and it makes a great bedside alarm clock, but I just can't sleep with the hum. The hum isn't affected by the volume on the speakers, gets a lot worse if only one channel is connected (using the phonos)?!? and is really quite audible - it can be heard the other side of the room, not just when I'm lying next to it. Hmmm. (no pun intended ;-) What do I do now?? Thanks for any suggestions - sorry for the long windedness. cheers Rob ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Internet radio worked last night, not this morning
Christine, It seems like you might have the "Shuffle by Album" setting turned on. There was a bug with this setting and radio stations that has recently been fixed. We'll have a nightly build available from the 6.0.x tree fairly soon. In the meantime, you can try one of the following alternatives: 1) Turn off "Shuffle by Album" for radio stations. 2) Install the latest nightly build for the 6.1 tree from http://www.slimdevices.com/downloads/nightly/latest/6.0/ (we'll be cleaning up the nightly build situation soon and that URL will change). Let me know if that helps. --Vidur c_death wrote: My husband brought home a used squeeze box last night. This morning I tried to listen a squeeze box internet radio suggestion but it wouldn't connect and it would crash... I then decided to try to listen to my own stream, which worked last night but it crashes the server. this is the log file. 2005-03-30 10:02:53.8157 Recieved final blank line... 2005-03-30 10:02:53.8160 opened stream! Use of uninitialized value in array element at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Player/Playlist.pm line 442. Use of uninitialized value in array element at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Player/Playlist.pm line 442. SlimServer Version: 6.0.0 - trunk any help? --- Christine |Waiting for the Blackouts: Goth Industrial 80s Deathrock | |Darkwave Ethereal Alternative, Rock Batcave Psychobilly | |Plus what ever else that catches my fancy!| | | |http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?membername=c_death| |http://www.perkigoth.com/waitingforthe| ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Synching FLAC with both SB1 and SB2
I have an SB1 and an SB2 on order. My collection is entirely FLAC, so I was wondering what SlimServer 6 does when it synchs FLAC streams to multiple Squeezeboxes when they consist of both SB1's and SB2's. Does it send PCM to the SB1's and FLAC to the SB2's or will all streams be PCM? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Re: Feature Request: Completely random play
Dan Sully wrote: MusicMagic actually does an audio analysis of your music, if the main server hasn't seen it before. Based on that information, it can map how much an album / artist / track / genre "sounds like" another. Has anyone ever seen any open-source code that does something similar to this? I'm thinking an OS plugin that does similar stuff to musicmagic would be a fun project. - Marc ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Using linux to generate a FLAC file of a complete CD
Jason Voegele <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Saturday 26 March 2005 09:17 pm, michael wrote: >> It's worth noting that using --fast-toc will not read pregap or index >> markers from the disc. This won't matter much for your ripped files, >> but if you intend to use this as an archival backup of the original >> CD, you may want to keep those. Using --read-toc without --fast-toc >> should grab everything correctly, but it'll take a bit longer. > > Well, I know that's what the documentation says, but I'm not entirely > convinced that it's true. > > I've got some CDs that definitely have pregap markers that are picked up by > --fast-toc. Despite what 'man cdrdao' says, I believe the difference with > --fast-toc is that it simply "trusts" what the disc's actual TOC tells it > without going through a verification step. You are correct it seems. I'd always just taken the man page at face value. But sure enough, in practice --fast-toc does grab indexes correctly. > Indeed, without the --fast-toc > option, read-toc gets some things wrong. For example, using --fast-toc, ISRC > codes are picked up correctly for each track, but without the --fast-toc > option, cdrdao gives an ISRC code of all zeroes for each track. Now I've seen the zeroed ISRC from the slow read-toc, but those same tracks show no ISRC at all when read with --fast-toc. Those tracks that do show up with real values for ISRC seem to match with or without --fast-toc. At least that's what I get with the discs I've tested with. > I'm more > inclined to trust the results of --fast-toc given that it reads the *actual* > TOC from the disc. > > Now this is purely conjecture on my part based on having played around with > this on several different discs. I have not dug into the source code or > anything, so don't just take my word for it. A few quick experiments seem to have proven you correct. :) -michael -- "The Americans will always do the right thing ... after they've exhausted all the alternatives." ---Winston Churchill ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Internet radio worked last night, not this morning
My husband brought home a used squeeze box last night. This morning I tried to listen a squeeze box internet radio suggestion but it wouldn't connect and it would crash... I then decided to try to listen to my own stream, which worked last night but it crashes the server. this is the log file. 2005-03-30 10:02:53.8157 Recieved final blank line... 2005-03-30 10:02:53.8160 opened stream! Use of uninitialized value in array element at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Player/Playlist.pm line 442. Use of uninitialized value in array element at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Player/Playlist.pm line 442. SlimServer Version: 6.0.0 - trunk any help? --- Christine |Waiting for the Blackouts: Goth Industrial 80s Deathrock | |Darkwave Ethereal Alternative, Rock Batcave Psychobilly | |Plus what ever else that catches my fancy!| | | |http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/mini.cgi?membername=c_death| |http://www.perkigoth.com/waitingforthe| ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Vidur Apparao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For FLAC embedded cuesheets, we should be able to get exact seekpoints > from the STREAMINFO header. This header is easily parseable in Perl - in > fact Michael Turner recently added seekpoint parsing code to our FLAC > formatting package. For external cuesheets, however, a > time-to-byte-offset calculation is necessary. This translation is fairly > hairy as it is (it involves an initial guess based on bitrate and then > frame parsing to find the exact point), and has the potential to be slow > in Perl. That being said, our longer term solution may be to implement > the seeking code entirely in Perl - it just hasn't happened yet. So...rather than calling FLAC to transcode to support external cuesheets, why not call METAFLAC to embed the cuesheet? (just kidding..) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] overview of server settings>file types
Quoting Phillip Kerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I don't know if I totally get this section of the server settings. > > I want one wireless SB1 to play everything as MP3 (that is, transcode FLACs > to 320kpbs) > I want another SB1 wired to play everything as WAV (that is, transcode FLACs > and MP3s to raw PCM) > I want my new SB2 (wireless) to do all decoding on the client side. player settings, audio, bitrate limiting. setting to no limit will let the SB2 and wired SB1 to play at their preferred format. for SB2, this is flac. The logic isn't yet designed to have the player prefer native (WAV will convert to FLAC because FLAC is preferred to conserve bandwidth). It is planned for a later release, however. setting to 320 will limit to 320kbps mp3 for the wireless player (default if it was first connected as a wireless) > I'm confused by the settings in server settings>file types. Also, where do > I copy LAME.exe? Do I need it? lame.exe is required if you wnat to convert to mp3. copy this to a place in your PATH. this could be the same place where you have slim.exe installed, or something like c:\windows if you use it for a lot of different things. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pause via Fishbone skin in 6.0
>I noticed that after pressing pause in the Fishbone skin, the voume went down >to almost 0 (1 bar, I think). I tried pressing pause again and it went up to >about 75%. Subsequent presses toggles the volume between the two settings. > Bug #1249 raised. Phil ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Softsqueeze 5.x series question
Quoting Jim Dibb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm still on the 5.4 server. My question is, "is the softsqueeze > 'remote' supposed to be locked into position relative to the display?" > I click the horizontal or vertical arrows to get the remote display, > but if I try to reposition it, the display and remote move together. > Is this intended behavior? press and hold CTRL while you drag the remote. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Anyone receive a triple platinum SB2?
Title: Anyone receive a triple platinum SB2? I'm just wondering if they are shipping out with the black ones. When the multiple colored SB1s were being offered there was a huge backlog on them and I don't believe that as many of them shipped out as were ordered. And yes, I have a triple platinum SB2 on order! :) ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with 'release' v6 server
Quoting Andy Hawkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi all. > > I've installed v6 in preparation for my SB2 arriving (hopefully) soon. One > thing I have found, is that changing the 'Now Playing' information doesn't > appear to work correctly. > > If I set it to 'Spectrum and Remaining Time', it is actually saved as 'Small > VU and Remaining Time'. If I select some of the other options, these aren't > saved at all. > > Is this a known issue? please file a bug report http://bugs.slimdevices.com -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Problem with 'release' v6 server
Andy Hawkins wrote: Hi all. I've installed v6 in preparation for my SB2 arriving (hopefully) soon. One thing I have found, is that changing the 'Now Playing' information doesn't appear to work correctly. If I set it to 'Spectrum and Remaining Time', it is actually saved as 'Small VU and Remaining Time'. If I select some of the other options, these aren't saved at all. Is this a known issue? Andy, Please file this as a bug on http://bugs.slimdevices.com. I've found that using the Now Playing button on the remote to cycle through the options will correctly persist the mode. Thanks for the report. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB1 and SB2 Case interchangeable?
Quick question. Are the cases for the SB1 and SB2 interchangeable? I would like to buy a wired SB2 and wrap it in an orange case >From a SB1. Will it fit? Thanks The information contained in this e-mail is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also be legally privileged and/or price sensitive. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, use or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail. All e-mail sent to this address will be received by Acacia Pacific Holding's e-mail system and is subjected to archiving and review by someone other than the recipient. Acacia Pacific Holdings has taken every reasonable precaution to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We accept no liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Gordon Harris wrote: But, in terms of the need to use flac.exe to transcode individual tracks from flacs: I guess Iâm just not getting what the problem is with writing the perl code to seek to the appropriate place in a whole-disc/cue-embeded flac file. (Forgive me if Iâm speculating above my pay-grade here: Iâve never written a single line of perl code.) If a flac file has a cuesheet-metadata-block, flac version 1.1.2 allows one to use cuepoints to decode a portion of the flac file. So, rather than using the "âskip=mm:ss.ss âuntil=mm:ss.ss" command line form, one can use "âcue=n.n-n.n" to select a specific track/index range to decode. I assume that this means that flac.exe isnât having to use any sort of "time to byte-offset" calculation to seek to the appropriate section of the flac file. The cuesheet-metatdata-block includes sample offsets from the beginning of the flac audio stream for each track and index in the cuesheet metadata. Personally, Iâve never figured out how to convert a sample offset into a byte offset, but, how hard could it be? For FLAC embedded cuesheets, we should be able to get exact seekpoints from the STREAMINFO header. This header is easily parseable in Perl - in fact Michael Turner recently added seekpoint parsing code to our FLAC formatting package. For external cuesheets, however, a time-to-byte-offset calculation is necessary. This translation is fairly hairy as it is (it involves an initial guess based on bitrate and then frame parsing to find the exact point), and has the potential to be slow in Perl. That being said, our longer term solution may be to implement the seeking code entirely in Perl - it just hasn't happened yet. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] overview of server settings>file types
I don't know if I totally get this section of the server settings. I want one wireless SB1 to play everything as MP3 (that is, transcode FLACs to 320kpbs) I want another SB1 wired to play everything as WAV (that is, transcode FLACs and MP3s to raw PCM) I want my new SB2 (wireless) to do all decoding on the client side. I'm confused by the settings in server settings>file types. Also, where do I copy LAME.exe? Do I need it? Thanks, Phillip ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Vidur Apparao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I don't believe the runtime transcoding of CUEed FLAC should introduce > gaps. The SB2 generally starts decoding a track well before the previous > one has finished playing (this allows us to do, among other things, > audio transitions including crossfading). Since we use the --skip and > --until parameters to the server-based flac tool, we don't introduce any > silence because of intra-frame padding. Please tell me if you are > hearing gaps. Iâm definitely NOT hearing any gaps with the SqueezeBox2 with flaced classical music. The places where I noticed annoying gaps with my SB1 donât produce any sort of audible gap with the SB2. The SB2âs bigger buffer and the client side flac decoding seems to make all the difference. Nice going! ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
I could be wrong (I am wrong quite a bit) but I think because of the buffering the track title shows up before it actually begins playing on the box. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > PAUL WILLIAMSON > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:03 AM > To: discuss@lists.slimdevices.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/05 11:48 AM >>> > > > > I don't believe the runtime transcoding of CUEed FLAC > should introduce > > gaps. The SB2 generally starts decoding a track well before the > > previous one has finished playing (this allows us to do, > among other > > things, audio transitions including crossfading). > > Since we use the --skip and --until parameters to the server-based > > flac tool, we don't introduce any silence because of intra-frame > > padding. Please tell me if you are hearing gaps. > > > > --Vidur > > This brings up another question...does the SB2 start > displaying information on the screen before it plays the > music? I notice this is normally about a 2-5 second switch, > and when my wife notices it, she ALWAYS asks me why it > displays before playing. > > As for me, I don't care, plus I sort of understand that the > screen would be updated when it starts a new stream within > the buffer, but the audio doesn't play until the buffer in > the SB from the previous stream is gone... > > Paul > > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Slimserver V6.0 is missing some artists
Hi, On Win XP SP2 running Slimserver 6.0.0 r2781, using iTunes and specifying the location of library and music folder, I see the following bug: in iTunes I have 112 artist and SS I have 108. I checked which artists are missing: they all contains special characters as seen in iTunes: 1) Nils Petter MolvÃr 2) Andrà Previn 3) Arvo PÃrt 4) FrÃdÃric Hartmann apparently SS V6 ignores them. Rescanning the DB doesn't help. I'll open a bug report. Michel ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Music Magic plugin not working
Quoting Cherise Emerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'm using Slimserver 6.0 on Windows XP - seems fine in most respects except > for Music Magic. Both with the new release and the betas, if I check the MM > plugin and click Change I get the message' Modify RSS feeds 6: RSS Feeds > list changed', and Music Magic unchecks itself.Any ideas welcomed - I > love the MM mixes but can only import as M3u at the moment. you need to have a registered copy of MusicMagic, then you need to enable the API service from the MusicMagic preferences. run SlimServer with d_musicmagic debug flag on so that you can see if the server is able to connect to the musicmagic API or not. If it cannot connect, the plugin will show up as disabled. -kdf ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Sean Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > One thought on this: if we find that CUEd FLACs are inherently just a > pain in the butt with no advantage in terms of gaplessness, would you > accept as a solution a script to unCUE them? > As a whole-disc/cue-embeded flac fan (I guess mostly because of my time investment in the format) I can live with the current Slimserver transcoding arrangement for the time being. I donât think Iâd use any sort of track-ifying script, thank you. But, in terms of the need to use flac.exe to transcode individual tracks from flacs: I guess Iâm just not getting what the problem is with writing the perl code to seek to the appropriate place in a whole-disc/cue-embeded flac file. (Forgive me if Iâm speculating above my pay-grade here: Iâve never written a single line of perl code.) If a flac file has a cuesheet-metadata-block, flac version 1.1.2 allows one to use cuepoints to decode a portion of the flac file. So, rather than using the "âskip=mm:ss.ss âuntil=mm:ss.ss" command line form, one can use "âcue=n.n-n.n" to select a specific track/index range to decode. I assume that this means that flac.exe isnât having to use any sort of "time to byte-offset" calculation to seek to the appropriate section of the flac file. The cuesheet-metatdata-block includes sample offsets from the beginning of the flac audio stream for each track and index in the cuesheet metadata. Personally, Iâve never figured out how to convert a sample offset into a byte offset, but, how hard could it be? Sean? Vidor? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote: ... This brings up another question...does the SB2 start displaying information on the screen before it plays the music? I notice this is normally about a 2-5 second switch, and when my wife notices it, she ALWAYS asks me why it displays before playing. As for me, I don't care, plus I sort of understand that the screen would be updated when it starts a new stream within the buffer, but the audio doesn't play until the buffer in the SB from the previous stream is gone... With SB2, the display updates only when a track starts playing. Since we start streaming a track well before it starts playing, the protocol now includes a "track start" event, indicating that we've started playing a new track. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Running MusicMagic Mixer on startup
* Andrew Lee shaped the electrons to say... I'm using MusicMagic Mixer 1.1.3.2 (registered) with SlimServer 6.0 on Linux (Mandrake 9.2). Its a great combination, many thanks to everyone who worked on the integration. I currently launch MusicMagic manually in a VNC session without problems, but would prefer automatic startup and not to have the additional overhead of VNC/X/KDE running all of the time on this particular server. Is it possible to run MusicMagic on startup in the background, preferrably just running the MusicMagic services API without the rest of the MusicMagic interface? According to the Predixis guys, this is coming in a future version. I use this script as a work around myself: #!/bin/sh # start MusicMagic against xvfb. so we don't need to run a full X server. Connect via RDC cd $HOME/bin/Linux export DISPLAY=0:1 Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1024x768x16 & sleep 3 # krfb allows me to vnc into a xvfb session. krfb --display 127.0.0.1:1 & sleep 3 ./MusicMagicMixer & -D -- "Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!" ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Running MusicMagic Mixer on startup
I'm using MusicMagic Mixer 1.1.3.2 (registered) with SlimServer 6.0 on Linux (Mandrake 9.2). Its a great combination, many thanks to everyone who worked on the integration. I currently launch MusicMagic manually in a VNC session without problems, but would prefer automatic startup and not to have the additional overhead of VNC/X/KDE running all of the time on this particular server. Is it possible to run MusicMagic on startup in the background, preferrably just running the MusicMagic services API without the rest of the MusicMagic interface? Best regards, Andrew ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: SS 6.0.0 and Live365
Done, Bug # 1247 On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:35:34 -0800, Dan Sully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Roy Owen shaped the electrons to say... > > >SS crashed last night at 12:59 AM. Here is the error from the windows event > >log > > > >The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( Application ) cannot be > >found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry > >information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote > >computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this > >description; see Help and Support for details. The following > >information is part of the event: Not an ARRAY reference at C:/Program > >Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/Live365.pm line 619. > > > > Roy - can you please file a bug? > > -D > -- > berkeley db - it's mostly about the hash() > ___ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss > -- Do meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and good with Tabasco. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/30/05 11:48 AM >>> > > I don't believe the runtime transcoding of CUEed FLAC should > introduce gaps. The SB2 generally starts decoding a track well > before the previous one has finished playing (this allows us to > do, among other things, audio transitions including crossfading). > Since we use the --skip and --until parameters to the server-based > flac tool, we don't introduce any silence because of intra-frame > padding. Please tell me if you are hearing gaps. > > --Vidur This brings up another question...does the SB2 start displaying information on the screen before it plays the music? I notice this is normally about a 2-5 second switch, and when my wife notices it, she ALWAYS asks me why it displays before playing. As for me, I don't care, plus I sort of understand that the screen would be updated when it starts a new stream within the buffer, but the audio doesn't play until the buffer in the SB from the previous stream is gone... Paul ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problem with 'release' v6 server
Hi all. I've installed v6 in preparation for my SB2 arriving (hopefully) soon. One thing I have found, is that changing the 'Now Playing' information doesn't appear to work correctly. If I set it to 'Spectrum and Remaining Time', it is actually saved as 'Small VU and Remaining Time'. If I select some of the other options, these aren't saved at all. Is this a known issue? Andy ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Fishbone skin ...
Dan Sully <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mike - given the volume of email here, the only way we can keep track of > these issues is if you file a bug at http://bugs.slimdevices.com/ Done! [I hesitated to do so orginally because it seemed such low priority with regard to all the other functional developments in progress ... ... I'll be less timid about posting to bugs in future :-)] Mike ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Softsqueeze 5.x series question
I'm still on the 5.4 server. My question is, "is the softsqueeze 'remote' supposed to be locked into position relative to the display?" I click the horizontal or vertical arrows to get the remote display, but if I try to reposition it, the display and remote move together. Is this intended behavior? On a related note, when I selected a new skin (slimdevices graphic -> excession) I found it funny that you could have two functional displays at the same time, ie. selecting a new skin doesn't deselect the old one. I guess it's a feature but I found it counter-intuitive to the point that when I closed the options box, and had two displays, I killed both and started over thinking something had gone horribly wrong. Is this a bug, or just user error? ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Steinar Bjaerum wrote: Sean Adams wrote: One thought on this: if we find that CUEd FLACs are inherently just a pain in the butt with no advantage in terms of gaplessness, would you accept as a solution a script to unCUE them? If you by this mean providing a script for us CUE fans to unCUE our CUEd FLAC collections, I think it is a very bad solution. I find your current CUEd FLAC to single-track FLAC transcoding acceptable, allthough I fear it introduces annoying gaps in live or classical recordings. My understanding is that you now view FLAC as your generic streaming format between server and client for non-MP3 audio. Given server-side transcoding of CUEd FLAC -> single track FLAC, you should definitely continue your support for CUEd FLACs. I don't believe the runtime transcoding of CUEed FLAC should introduce gaps. The SB2 generally starts decoding a track well before the previous one has finished playing (this allows us to do, among other things, audio transitions including crossfading). Since we use the --skip and --until parameters to the server-based flac tool, we don't introduce any silence because of intra-frame padding. Please tell me if you are hearing gaps. --Vidur ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Fishbone skin ...
* Mike Reeve shaped the electrons to say... Just to re-raise a couple of points on the Fishbone operation/cosmetics: Mike - given the volume of email here, the only way we can keep track of these issues is if you file a bug at http://bugs.slimdevices.com/ Thanks. -D -- berkeley db - it's mostly about the hash() ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Re: Feature Request: Completely random play
* Steve shaped the electrons to say... I've had a quick look at MusicMagic Mixer and this looks suspiciously like MoodLogic (which I already pay for) Can someone who's paid for this (musicmagic) confirm whether I can just produce a random playlist or does it, like moodlogic, rely on you choosing a seed artist or genre to base the playlist on? MusicMagic actually does an audio analysis of your music, if the main server hasn't seen it before. Based on that information, it can map how much an album / artist / track / genre "sounds like" another. AFAIK, MoodLogic isn't that sophisticated. Additionally, ML only runs on Windows, while MMM runs on Windows, OSX & Linux. -D -- berkeley db - it's mostly about the hash() ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] SqueezeBox 2, Slimserver 6 and FLAC question
Sean Adams wrote: > > One thought on this: if we find that CUEd FLACs are inherently just a > pain in the butt with no advantage in terms of gaplessness, would you > accept as a solution a script to unCUE them? > If you by this mean providing a script for us CUE fans to unCUE our CUEd FLAC collections, I think it is a very bad solution. I find your current CUEd FLAC to single-track FLAC transcoding acceptable, allthough I fear it introduces annoying gaps in live or classical recordings. My understanding is that you now view FLAC as your generic streaming format between server and client for non-MP3 audio. Given server-side transcoding of CUEd FLAC -> single track FLAC, you should definitely continue your support for CUEd FLACs. Steinar ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SS 6.0.0 and Live365
* Roy Owen shaped the electrons to say... SS crashed last night at 12:59 AM. Here is the error from the windows event log The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source ( Application ) cannot be found. The local computer may not have the necessary registry information or message DLL files to display messages from a remote computer. You may be able to use the /AUXSOURCE= flag to retrieve this description; see Help and Support for details. The following information is part of the event: Not an ARRAY reference at C:/Program Files/SlimServer/server/Plugins/Live365.pm line 619. Roy - can you please file a bug? -D -- berkeley db - it's mostly about the hash() ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lockup problem
Ditto for me too. Only I'm running on Windows XP (Service Pack 2) and hadn't had enough time to devote to looking at the logs to make me feel justified in complaining. But I did want to at least chime in with another datapoint and if necessary, I can try to carve out some time to run tests as long as the wife is not trying to listen to music at the time. In my case, I have slimserver running as a service as a particular user so that it can access my large music archive shared from NSLU2 with the index information in Itunes on the PC the server is running on (a dual-Xeon with 2 gigs of RAM). With the latest release, the server would just stop responding at a random time during song playback. The display on the client would be blank and the server would not serve up web pages. I'd have to stop and restart the service to get things going again. Since I didn't have time to play with it, I rolled back to the 3/26 build which was the build I was using successfully before I upgraded to the release version. - Paul Dave Horoschak wrote: I've been having lockup problems since 6.0b2 and continue to have them with the 6.0 release. On a Mandrake 9.0 dedicated (Samba) file server, I installed SlimServer. Previously, the system had been up & running with a problems for about 2 years. Now that I installed SlimServer, it dsoesn't stay up for more than 24 hours. It locks up hard so that I can't Telnet in, the webserver doesn't work, etc. What's the best way of troubleshooting this problem? slimserver.log doesn't have any data in it. After a reboot, everything seems to run fine until it crashes again. Indidentally, this occurs without any Slim clients ever connecting to the server. Any thoughts? - Dave ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
RE: [slim] FW: New from MultiTask Computing - Trinloc DAB USB Radio
Philip Many thanks! Stephen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philip Downer Sent: 30 March 2005 17:04 To: Slim Devices Discussion Subject: RE: [slim] FW: New from MultiTask Computing - Trinloc DAB USB Radio > Sorry to not be clear, but I meant does this mean that one > does not Alien BBC as the text seems to indicate that it > integrates with the squeezebox? You do not need Alien BBC because when the device is used with the DABBAR software it streams the radio signal as mp3 data, you can then point your slimserver directly at the stream from DABBAR as if it were a standard mp3 based internet radio station. Kind Regards Philip Downer Centroidal Systems Ltd. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
