Re: [slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[kdf]

Quoting crapulent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> what about avatars?  Has this been asked and answered?

ok, what about them?
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what about avatars?  Has this been asked and answered?


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[slim] Slight Pause as Songs Begin

[indianajones]

this is driving me crazy. when a song starts, it will play for a few
seconds, then there will be about a 1 second pause, then it will begin
again. i've noticed that it doesn't happen at all with mp3 files but
happens EVERY time and with every song with Apple Lossless files. I've
had the SB for about 2 months now and it has been flawless until this
started about a week and a half ago. please help.


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Re: [slim] Re: 6.0 occassional high CPU usage for extended periods

[Healy]

I've been having 99% CPU usage for long periods of time since switching 
to 6.0.  Currently using
the 4/7 nightly with the same issues.  On start up it pegs at 99% CPU 
for about 75 mins.
I have 26,000 songs on the server.   I've removed all the plugins 
except for:

Datetime Screensaver
Rescan Music Library
Shoutcast
Save Playlist
iTunes
It still seems to peg out
Server is AMD 1.6ghz w/ 1.0gb ram, Debian Linux
Nothing else running except for sshd and basic init
functions.

On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:42 AM, Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:
Charles Stanton wrote:
(We'll try this again).
I am using the 3/23 nighly and from time to time on start-up, 
slim.exe
will max out (96 - 99%) the CPU for 30 minutes or more before 
settling
down.  No new music has been added.  I don't think it should be
re-scanning.

Generally it settles down within 5 minutes or so.
The library is about 9K songs.  The computer is PIII 933 MHz, 512 
RAM, W2K Pro.
It is dedicated to the slimserver and musicmagic, which is also 
running.
I had something similar but possibly unrelated.  For the last week 
and a half
I have been running the compiled 3/14 nightly under WinXPProSP1.  
Tonight I noticed the service had gone "rogue" and was using all 
available cycles.  This was after a week of uptime and nowhere near
a rescan and nothing was even playing.  I just killed the service and 
upgraded to 3/24.  We shall see if it crops up again.
OK It did it again and much faster (less than 36 hours); also I don't
think I even fired up the player.  I currently suspect the RSS plugin.
I turned it off and will wait a few days and see.
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[slim] Does SB2 support WPA2 (AES encryption) ?

[rephlex]

Just got my SB2 wireless and I can't get it to talk to my Linksys WRT54G
unless I change my router from the more secure AES encryption to TKIP.
SB2 works fine on TKIP but I'd like to continue running my wireless
network on AES. If SB2 doesn't support WPA2 will it support it in the
future ?

During setup I was a little stumped that the digital out didn't work
unless I also had the analog hooked up to my receiver. Is there a
reason why the digital out shuts down when there is no analog
connection on the SB2 ?

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Re: [slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[kdf]

Quoting crapulent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

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> My hair is grey, didn't think I was an old fuddy duddy, but I like the
> email.  Oh well, time marches on, forums replace mailing lists.

not replaced.  in addition to.  those who prefer to have it the way it is,
nothing changes except for some noise disappearing in favour of a more
appropriate home.  anything posted to the general discussion forum gets
mirrored to the discuss list. Anything posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] gets posted 
to the
general discussion forum.

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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[crapulent]

My hair is grey, didn't think I was an old fuddy duddy, but I like the
email.  Oh well, time marches on, forums replace mailing lists.


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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Mitch Harding]

Did you look thoroughly through the packaging?  I didn't notice my
pony until I saw these messages.  Then I looked in the very bottom of
the packaging, and found my pony tucked away.

On Apr 8, 2005 10:15 PM, Denny Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm kinda bummed...  I didn't get a pony with mine (other than the
> discount that is :-)
> 
> Denny
> 
> 
> > Are they all black or do platinum owners get blonde ponies?
> >
> > [image: http://home.comcast.net/~audi-fan/pics/pony.jpg]
> >
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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Denny Page]

I'm kinda bummed...  I didn't get a pony with mine (other than the 
discount that is :-)

Denny

Are they all black or do platinum owners get blonde ponies?
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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - PleaseRead!

[quick_snack]

This is very, very, very nice. Thanx to you all for the hard work the
last days.


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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Thomas B. Malsbury]

Are we talking about the ponies or the twins?

Sorry couldn't resist.


> You have tried looking into their eyes and squeezing their bodies,
> right?  I hadn't seen that before and laughed for 5 minutes straight.
>
> Robert
>
> Jeff Coffler wrote:
>
>> I got three black SqueezeBox 2's, and I received three different color
>> ponies.
>>
>> My 3yr old twin boys promptly took them all.  They're very picky about
>> the toys daddy gets to play with. :-(
>>
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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Jeff Coffler]

"Robert Wallace" asked:
You have tried looking into their eyes and squeezing their bodies, right? 
I hadn't seen that before and laughed for 5 minutes straight.
Oh yeah.  I liked that too.  That's why I was disappointed when my kids took 
all three for their own.  The two of them wouldn't even leave *ONE* for 
daddy. :-)

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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Robert Wallace]

You have tried looking into their eyes and squeezing their bodies, 
right?  I hadn't seen that before and laughed for 5 minutes straight.

Robert
Jeff Coffler wrote:
I got three black SqueezeBox 2's, and I received three different color 
ponies.

My 3yr old twin boys promptly took them all.  They're very picky about 
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Re: [slim] The Art of Skinning

[Jack Coates]

JJZolx wrote:
One other forum I'd like to see eventually created is one in which
skinning could be discussed.
I did some searches and found surprisingly little discussion regarding
skinning on either the discuss list or the developers list.  This
doesn't strike me as a developer topic, as the developers seem to have
bigger fish to fry, so no surprises there.  But I would have expected
more semi-skilled users like myself to have an interest in developing
more ergonomic interfaces.  Perhaps the user community just isn't large
enough yet.  Or perhaps the facilites for creating more interesting
skins aren't yet a part of the server.
There've been a number of interesting alphas produced... if they make it 
to the usable state and the author is okay with it, they go into the server.

I'll be playing around some with creating something I'd like to use -
using more JavaScript if possible for dynamic display of information. 
Things like clicking on an icon next to an album and seeing all of the
available tracks within the window (rather than going back to the
server and having it shoot down a new page), then having icons within
the window to play or queue the track.  Or the ability within the
now-playing and playlist to view detailed track information.

Go for it! Check out ExBrowse2, it does a lot of nice stuff in DHTML. 
People have also written Flash-based skins and a XUL-based skin.

At the risk of rekindling the flame war over forum vs. list, I think
just stop talking right there and you'll avoid rekindling anything.
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[slim] Re: Slim Devices SB2 disappointment & SB for sale.

[spblat]

My server is a P2/450 running Fedora Core 3. My SB2 is connected via
100Mbps ethernet. I have had *zero* playback problems with my DTS
encoded .wav files. I can't tell you how cool it is to be able to play
any DTS track I want, as easily as choosing an MP3.

Server load is 0.60 (I don't worry about playback problems until it
rises to 1.5 or higher).  And I'm not just playing DTS on my SB2; I'm
also simultaneously supporting a second client, a winamp player with
on-the-fly re-encoding to 128kbps.

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Re: [slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[Jeff Coffler]

I got three black SqueezeBox 2's, and I received three different color 
ponies.

My 3yr old twin boys promptly took them all.  They're very picky about the 
toys daddy gets to play with. :-(

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Re: [slim] MusicMagic quirks and a question

[Charles Stanton]

ok, so I'll see.  but the other point I wanted to make is that
eventually it does work. I should have also added that i have mm set
to run as a service w/ a 3rd party tool (apptoservice), with the idea
being that if/when the computer is rebooted both mm and ss come back
up with no user intervention at all. eventually i do get it to work
reliably, it is just quirky to set up - and can take a few or more
frustrating tries with no apparent rhyme of reason to it. ( i install
sb/ss for people and this has been very appealling to the
non-computer-savvy type customer who just want to use it and not touch
anything else).  i just wish it would be easier

On Apr 8, 2005 7:58 PM, kdf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Charles Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > thanks.  so i should run the debug to see what is happening?  if i do,
> > what should i do with the debug output?
> 
> was just fyi.  in case it ever comes in handy.
> 
> > One further question - my experience has been if the api is not there
> > at all (either the api service is not started in musicmagic or
> > musicmagic is not started up at all), then the option to use or not
> > use musicmagic on the main server settings page is not even there.  So
> > by this logic, ss is seeing that the api is there, no?  so i don't
> > understand why telling ss to use mm would not take.
> 
> nor I.  I've not actually seen that problem myself.  I've certainly seen it 
> take
> a while after starting the API before the server will get a response, but that
> only affects the plugins setting.  When first enabling the plugin, the use
> musicmagic setting will be reset to not use.  Nothing that I can think of 
> would
> stop that from changing when chosen, aside from some corruption in the http
> communications.
> 
> d_prefs or d_http might give you some look into what is happening at the 
> time. I
> can't really suggest what you would do with what you see, aside from posting 
> it
> or supplying the info to SlimDevices support.
> 
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[slim] Unwanted 'synchronisation'

[relen]

So, I'm running SS6.0.1 on an RH7.2 system. I have one hardware SB1 and
two SoftSqueeze 2.0b3s, one on a Mac G4 iBook and the other on an XP
machine.

I call up a song on the SB1 using the remote and play it (a FLAC file
as it happens, so it is being transcoded). While it's playing, I launch
Firefox on the iBook and open the server page. As the screen draws, the
music on the SB1 stops. After a short while (10-20 secs) it starts
again. However there are now hiccups in the playback (lasting 0.5-3
secs or so), more or less in sync with the redraws of the RH pane
(which is displaying the data for the SB1). I call up a different track
from the server window and click play on it to force the SB1 to play it,
which it does. With hiccups.

I close the server's browser window and the hiccups cease. Soon, the
time/date screensaver starts to run on the SB1.

I open the SSQ2 on the iBook, bringing up the horizontal remote window
as the vertical one partially overlays the display window (er...
nevermind) and select a different album and play a track from it (also
FLAC), by using the on-screen remote. It plays fine. I quit the SSQ2
and go back to the SB1 and wake it up. The display comes up showing not
the album that's still playing, but the one I was playing on the SSQ2! I
can navigate to the album that is actually playing and the track that
first appears is the one that's playing. I turn off the iBook and the
SB1.

Now I go upstairs and activate the SSQ2 on the Windows machine, where
it is on-screen but "powered down". I click Power, then Play and then
click Bright to bring the display back (the several idiosyncrasies of
my WinXP SSQ2 are a topic for another time). The thing is displaying
the track I called up on the SSQ2 on the Ibook! And it plays it when I
press Play!

Needless to say, I have anything that smacks of synchronisation turned
OFF, or I wouldn't be posting this. 

As I write this, I'm listening to a different album on the WinXP SSQ2.
Between two tracks, there's a brief snatch of something else. Is it...
the track I was playing downstairs earlier?  

Play intro to "The Twilight Zone" and fade...

Observations?
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Re: [slim] MusicMagic quirks and a question

[kdf]

Quoting Charles Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> thanks.  so i should run the debug to see what is happening?  if i do,
> what should i do with the debug output?

was just fyi.  in case it ever comes in handy.

> One further question - my experience has been if the api is not there
> at all (either the api service is not started in musicmagic or
> musicmagic is not started up at all), then the option to use or not
> use musicmagic on the main server settings page is not even there.  So
> by this logic, ss is seeing that the api is there, no?  so i don't
> understand why telling ss to use mm would not take.

nor I.  I've not actually seen that problem myself.  I've certainly seen it take
a while after starting the API before the server will get a response, but that
only affects the plugins setting.  When first enabling the plugin, the use
musicmagic setting will be reset to not use.  Nothing that I can think of would
stop that from changing when chosen, aside from some corruption in the http
communications.

d_prefs or d_http might give you some look into what is happening at the time. I
can't really suggest what you would do with what you see, aside from posting it
or supplying the info to SlimDevices support.

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[slim] The Art of Skinning

[JJZolx]

One other forum I'd like to see eventually created is one in which
skinning could be discussed.

I did some searches and found surprisingly little discussion regarding
skinning on either the discuss list or the developers list.  This
doesn't strike me as a developer topic, as the developers seem to have
bigger fish to fry, so no surprises there.  But I would have expected
more semi-skilled users like myself to have an interest in developing
more ergonomic interfaces.  Perhaps the user community just isn't large
enough yet.  Or perhaps the facilites for creating more interesting
skins aren't yet a part of the server.

I'll be playing around some with creating something I'd like to use -
using more JavaScript if possible for dynamic display of information. 
Things like clicking on an icon next to an album and seeing all of the
available tracks within the window (rather than going back to the
server and having it shoot down a new page), then having icons within
the window to play or queue the track.  Or the ability within the
now-playing and playlist to view detailed track information.

At the risk of rekindling the flame war over forum vs. list, I think
the forums should go a long way toward fostering discussion among end
users and enthusiasts rather than primarily being a Slim Devices
support medium.  Given the great product and the great development team
I'm pretty excited about the possibilities.


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Re: [slim] Re: Rhapsody on Slim

[Charles Stanton]

i throw in my 2 cents.. i also think it is a great plugin, but found
it high maintenance and stopped using it.  if it worked reliably i
agree wholeheartedly with  njabesyder...(there could be sales push
directly to the rhapsody crowd)...

On Apr 8, 2005 7:23 PM, jabesnyder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> The only reason I bought squeezebox was for Rhapsody.  The "(almost) any
> song, any time, no need to buy or rip or find MP3s" aspect is incredibly
> appealing.  Everyone who has seen the squeezebox at my home is most
> impressed with this feature, over any other.  It's just a bit buggy,
> and I can't update SlimServer.  Slim Devices, PLEASE formally support
> Rhapsody / RealSlim ASAP.  Timing is everything - you lose your
> Rhapsody customers now, you might have a tough time getting them back!
> 
> I'll personally sell boxes for you for free, and I'm sure others will
> too if you can just get RealSlim working again.  Anyone in the same
> boat as me please let these guys know - I'm sure the business case is
> there.
> 
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Re: [slim] MusicMagic quirks and a question

[Charles Stanton]

thanks.  so i should run the debug to see what is happening?  if i do,
what should i do with the debug output?

One further question - my experience has been if the api is not there
at all (either the api service is not started in musicmagic or
musicmagic is not started up at all), then the option to use or not
use musicmagic on the main server settings page is not even there.  So
by this logic, ss is seeing that the api is there, no?  so i don't
understand why telling ss to use mm would not take.

On Apr 8, 2005 7:37 PM, kdf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Quoting Charles Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > I noticed some odd behaviour when setting up the MusicMagic plugin.
> > 6.0x 4/8/nightly on XP Pro.  Basically Slimserver does not accept the
> > following settings except after repeated attempts (its as if it was
> > reluctant...):
> >
> > On the main server settings page, I will click use MusicMagic.  Things
> > work during that instance of the server running.  Next time I start
> > the service (either by rebooting or restarting the service under
> > computer management), it reverts back 'do not use musicmagic.'  So I
> > tell it to 'use musicmagic' again - and same behaviour.  On the third
> > or fourth attempt, it took.  This behaviour is repeatable -- it put
> > Slimserver on another machine (also XP Pro) and the same thing
> > happened.
> 
> c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe --d_plugins
> the musicmagic integration will only work if the server can get a valid 
> response
> from the musicmagic api.  the above command from a command prompt will run
> slimserver showing all plugin debug output.
> 
> >
> > A similar pattern on the plugin settings.   I'll check for slimserver
> > to use musicmagic and it simply will not register on the first few
> > attempts.   After clicking change it comes back unchecked.   After
> > numerous attempts, it will be OK, but it is not predicable or terribly
> > reliable.   I also noticed that the musicmagic plugin generally seems
> > to work better (that is Slimserver recognizes it better) if 'load
> > plugins on the fly' is set.
> >
> > My question is:  how do you create musicmagic mixes from the players 
> > display?
> 
> when you see the m icon in the top right, press and hold play.  you will then
> just into the mixer, or be given a choice of mixers if more than one option is
> available.
> 
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[slim] Thanks for the Pony!

[jmpage2]

Are they all black or do platinum owners get blonde ponies?

[image: http://home.comcast.net/~audi-fan/pics/pony.jpg]


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Re: [slim] MusicMagic quirks and a question

[kdf]

Quoting Charles Stanton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I noticed some odd behaviour when setting up the MusicMagic plugin.
> 6.0x 4/8/nightly on XP Pro.  Basically Slimserver does not accept the
> following settings except after repeated attempts (its as if it was
> reluctant...):
>
> On the main server settings page, I will click use MusicMagic.  Things
> work during that instance of the server running.  Next time I start
> the service (either by rebooting or restarting the service under
> computer management), it reverts back 'do not use musicmagic.'  So I
> tell it to 'use musicmagic' again - and same behaviour.  On the third
> or fourth attempt, it took.  This behaviour is repeatable -- it put
> Slimserver on another machine (also XP Pro) and the same thing
> happened.

c:\program files\slimserver\server\slim.exe --d_plugins
the musicmagic integration will only work if the server can get a valid response
from the musicmagic api.  the above command from a command prompt will run
slimserver showing all plugin debug output.

>
> A similar pattern on the plugin settings.   I'll check for slimserver
> to use musicmagic and it simply will not register on the first few
> attempts.   After clicking change it comes back unchecked.   After
> numerous attempts, it will be OK, but it is not predicable or terribly
> reliable.   I also noticed that the musicmagic plugin generally seems
> to work better (that is Slimserver recognizes it better) if 'load
> plugins on the fly' is set.
>
> My question is:  how do you create musicmagic mixes from the players display?

when you see the m icon in the top right, press and hold play.  you will then
just into the mixer, or be given a choice of mixers if more than one option is
available.

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[slim] Re: Re: AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Dan Sully]

* Patrick Delamere shaped the electrons to say...
Good point! :-)
I didn't realise there were more Slim forums.  I just had a quick look on
the Slimdevices website.  Sorry!
The additional ones were just launched today.
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[slim] Re: base, treble is stuck

[daveblazer]

ahhh thank u


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RE: [slim] Re: AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Patrick Delamere]

Good point! :-)

I didn't realise there were more Slim forums.  I just had a quick look on
the Slimdevices website.  Sorry!

Patrick

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Subject: [slim] Re: AlienBBC 0.97 Observations...(1 possible bug)

* Triode shaped the electrons to say...

> Alien 0.97 is intendended to make mms / asx streams play as they would for
> slimserver on windows. [essentially just provides an alternative to
wmadec]

If this thread could be moved over to the plugins Forum/list.. :)

Thanks.

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[slim] MusicMagic quirks and a question

[Charles Stanton]

I noticed some odd behaviour when setting up the MusicMagic plugin. 
6.0x 4/8/nightly on XP Pro.  Basically Slimserver does not accept the
following settings except after repeated attempts (its as if it was
reluctant...):

On the main server settings page, I will click use MusicMagic.  Things
work during that instance of the server running.  Next time I start
the service (either by rebooting or restarting the service under
computer management), it reverts back 'do not use musicmagic.'  So I
tell it to 'use musicmagic' again - and same behaviour.  On the third
or fourth attempt, it took.  This behaviour is repeatable -- it put
Slimserver on another machine (also XP Pro) and the same thing
happened.

A similar pattern on the plugin settings.   I'll check for slimserver
to use musicmagic and it simply will not register on the first few
attempts.   After clicking change it comes back unchecked.   After
numerous attempts, it will be OK, but it is not predicable or terribly
reliable.   I also noticed that the musicmagic plugin generally seems
to work better (that is Slimserver recognizes it better) if 'load
plugins on the fly' is set.

My question is:  how do you create musicmagic mixes from the players display?  

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[slim] Re: Rhapsody on Slim

[jabesnyder]

The only reason I bought squeezebox was for Rhapsody.  The "(almost) any
song, any time, no need to buy or rip or find MP3s" aspect is incredibly
appealing.  Everyone who has seen the squeezebox at my home is most
impressed with this feature, over any other.  It's just a bit buggy,
and I can't update SlimServer.  Slim Devices, PLEASE formally support
Rhapsody / RealSlim ASAP.  Timing is everything - you lose your
Rhapsody customers now, you might have a tough time getting them back!

I'll personally sell boxes for you for free, and I'm sure others will
too if you can just get RealSlim working again.  Anyone in the same
boat as me please let these guys know - I'm sure the business case is
there.


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RE: [slim] AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Patrick Delamere]

Great, that’s resolved all my
issues.  I’ve backed out my change.  I didn’t realise that the
AlienStream playlists folder was no longer in use.

 

Thanks!   :-)

 

Patrick

 









From:
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Observations...(1 possible bug)



 



Patrick,





 





Alien 0.97 is intendended to make mms / asx streams play as
they would for slimserver on windows. [essentially just provides an
alternative to wmadec]





 





It uses the slimserver parser for asx parsing (rather than
mplayer).  If there are limitations to which playlists you can play please
post them and we can see what changes to the slim asx parser are required -
this will be generic to windows linux etc





 





Given the above - could you try saving your playlist as a
normal slim playlist rather than an AlienStream one and play it as if it is a
local list.





 





- Original Message - 







From: Patrick Delamere 





To: 'Slim Devices Discussion' 





Sent: Friday, April 08,
2005 11:58 PM





Subject: [slim] AlienBBC
0.97 Observations...(1 possible bug)





 



Hi,

 

Just finished installing Slimserver 6.0.1and AlienBBC 0.97
(SuSE Linux 9.2).  Having installed AlienBBC 0.97, some things appear to
have stopped working……….

 


 Initially, I couldn’t get
 my playlists in my AlienStream folder to play, as all I was getting was
 “AlienBBC: Attempt to play non
 URL: /var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/wdr5-wm32.asx”.
  Playing the supplied BBC streams was not a problem.  To solve
 this, I changed some code in the AlienBBC "Plugin.pm" file.
 


 

By adding the ! into the “If” statement below, I was able to force
AlienBBC to recognise my playlists in the AlienStream playlist folder as being
remote streams and play them.

 

After changing the line below, the
supplied BBC Streams did stop working, so it wasn’t 100%, but at least my
own playlists work now, which is what I mostly use AlienBBC for anyway. 
Would be nice to have both working though………  :-)

 

   
if (!Slim::Music::Info::isRemoteURL($stream))

   
{

   
$::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC - Playing: $name ($stream)\n");

   
Slim::Control::Command::execute($client, ['playlist', 'play', $stream, $name]);

   
}

  
 else

   
{

   
$::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC: Attempt to play non URL:
$stream\n");

   
}

 


 I was no longer able to play my
 .smil files despite making the above change.  The only way to get
 these to work was to remove all the content inside, except the URL itself,
 and then change the file extension to either .rm or .ram.  See my log
 output below: 


 

2005-04-08 23:13:42.9688 unk file type for
/var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.smil  (before)

2005-04-08 23:13:42.9297 rtsppl file type for
/var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.ram  (after)

 

   
I assume that “unk” stands for unknown file type.

 


 AlienBBC is no longer as
 forgiving as before with my badly formed ASX files!  ;-)
 


Before AlienBBC 0.97, I just used to
put the stream URL into a file and just call it .asx.  To get these working, I have had to change my files to
look as follows:

 



  Cadena
Ser

  

   


  



 

Before, all that was in the file was
mms://a874.l784138873.c7841.e.lm.akamaistream.net/D/874/7841/v0001/reflector:38873.

 

 

Clearly I have broken something by making the code change
above, but for me, it pretty much does everything I want it to, so it’s
no problem for me, although a proper fix would be nice.  :-)

 

Are the problems described just with my system, or is this a
potential bug in AlienBBC 0.97?  If there is a way of getting the above
working without my code change, please let me know!

 

Thanks,

 

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Re: [slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[Jack Coates]

JJZolx wrote:
Dumb question, but how do you know when a rescan has finished, and
should you avoid browsing while rescanning?

When the grey bar on the left says "X albums containing Y songs by Z 
artists". It's okay to use it while it's scanning.

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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[Dan Sully]

* JJZolx shaped the electrons to say...
Dumb question, but how do you know when a rescan has finished, and
should you avoid browsing while rescanning?
Browsing while rescanning is ok. There's a line at the top which will say
"SlimServer is currently scanning your library.."
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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[JJZolx]

Dumb question, but how do you know when a rescan has finished, and
should you avoid browsing while rescanning?


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[slim] Re: AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Dan Sully]

* Triode shaped the electrons to say...
Alien 0.97 is intendended to make mms / asx streams play as they would for
slimserver on windows. [essentially just provides an alternative to wmadec]
If this thread could be moved over to the plugins Forum/list.. :)
Thanks.
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Re: [slim] AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Triode]

Patrick,
 
Alien 0.97 is intendended to make mms / asx streams 
play as they would for slimserver on windows. [essentially just provides an 
alternative to wmadec]
 
It uses the slimserver parser for asx parsing 
(rather than mplayer).  If there are limitations to which playlists you can 
play please post them and we can see what changes to the slim asx parser are 
required - this will be generic to windows linux etc
 
Given the above - could you try saving your 
playlist as a normal slim playlist rather than an AlienStream one and play it as 
if it is a local list.
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  Patrick Delamere 
  To: 'Slim Devices Discussion' 
  
  Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 11:58 
  PM
  Subject: [slim] AlienBBC 0.97 
  Observations...(1 possible bug)
  
  
  Hi,
   
  Just finished installing 
  Slimserver 6.0.1and AlienBBC 0.97 (SuSE Linux 9.2).  Having installed 
  AlienBBC 0.97, some things appear to have stopped 
  working……….
   
  
Initially, I 
couldn’t get my playlists in my AlienStream folder to play, as all I was 
getting was “AlienBBC: Attempt to play 
non URL: /var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/wdr5-wm32.asx”. 
 Playing the supplied BBC streams was not a problem.  To solve 
this, I changed some code in the AlienBBC "Plugin.pm" 
file. 
   
  By adding the ! into the “If” statement below, I was 
  able to force AlienBBC to recognise my playlists in the AlienStream playlist 
  folder as being remote streams and play them.
   
  After changing the line below, the 
  supplied BBC Streams did stop working, so it wasn’t 100%, but at least my own 
  playlists work now, which is what I mostly use AlienBBC for anyway.  
  Would be nice to have both working though………  
  :-)
   
      
  if (!Slim::Music::Info::isRemoteURL($stream))
      
  {
      
  $::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC - Playing: $name 
  ($stream)\n");
      
  Slim::Control::Command::execute($client, ['playlist', 'play', $stream, 
  $name]);
      
  }
     
   else
      
  {
      
  $::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC: Attempt to play non URL: 
  $stream\n");
      
  }
   
  
I was no longer 
able to play my .smil files despite making the above change.  The only 
way to get these to work was to remove all the content inside, except the 
URL itself, and then change the file extension to either .rm or .ram.  
See my log output below: 
   
  2005-04-08 23:13:42.9688 unk file type for 
  /var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.smil  (before)
  2005-04-08 23:13:42.9297 rtsppl file type for 
  /var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.ram  (after)
   
      
  I assume that “unk” stands for unknown file type.
   
  
AlienBBC is no 
longer as forgiving as before with my badly formed ASX files!  
;-) 
  Before AlienBBC 0.97, I just used 
  to put the stream URL into a file and just call it .asx.  To get these working, I have had to change my files to 
  look as follows:
   
  
    Cadena 
  Ser
    
  
      
  
    
  
  
   
  Before, all that was in the file 
  was 
  mms://a874.l784138873.c7841.e.lm.akamaistream.net/D/874/7841/v0001/reflector:38873.
   
   
  Clearly I have broken something by 
  making the code change above, but for me, it pretty much does everything I 
  want it to, so it’s no problem for me, although a proper fix would be 
  nice.  :-)
   
  Are the problems described just 
  with my system, or is this a potential bug in AlienBBC 0.97?  If there is 
  a way of getting the above working without my code change, please let me 
  know!
   
  Thanks,
   
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[slim] Re: Rescan / Wipe Cache, where is the cache?

[JJZolx]

dsully Wrote: 
> A rescan doesn't clear any data - just picks up new data. Old data is
> lazily removed as stated before. 6.1 will probably do active deletion.
Here's an idea for the interface then.  I think it would probably be a
good idea to keep the ability to do a "fast" rescan for those who are
just adding new albums and only want the new data picked up.

But consolidate the operations on the same page and explain it a little
better.  Get rid of the "Wipe Cache" on the Performance page and add a
checkbox above the current "Rescan" button.  Label it something like
"Perform a complete rescan from scratch".  Add more informative text
explaining that when this option is selected the operation can be much
slower, but that it should be used if any tagging information on
existing tracks has been changed since the last scan.


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[slim] Re: SQL

[BKDotCom]

dsully Wrote: 
> 
> On the new Wiki - 
> 
> http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?MySQL
> 
> should be enough to get you going.
> should be, yes... but:
what privs does my slim user need?
Is MySQL 3.23.58  sufficient?

when I start up slimserver it removes
-  dbusername
-  dbpassword
-  dbsource
from the prefs and loads up the prexisting db


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[slim] AlienBBC 0.97 Observations.......(1 possible bug)

[Patrick Delamere]

Hi,

 

Just finished installing Slimserver 6.0.1and AlienBBC 0.97
(SuSE Linux 9.2).  Having installed AlienBBC 0.97, some things appear to
have stopped working……….

 


 Initially, I couldn’t get
 my playlists in my AlienStream folder to play, as all I was getting was “AlienBBC: Attempt to play non URL:
 /var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/wdr5-wm32.asx”.  Playing
 the supplied BBC streams was not a problem.  To solve this, I changed
 some code in the AlienBBC "Plugin.pm" file.


 

By adding the ! into the “If” statement below, I was able to force
AlienBBC to recognise my playlists in the AlienStream playlist folder as being
remote streams and play them.

 

After changing the line below, the
supplied BBC Streams did stop working, so it wasn’t 100%, but at least my
own playlists work now, which is what I mostly use AlienBBC for anyway. 
Would be nice to have both working though………  :-)

 

   
if (!Slim::Music::Info::isRemoteURL($stream))

   
{

   
$::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC - Playing: $name ($stream)\n");

   
Slim::Control::Command::execute($client, ['playlist', 'play', $stream, $name]);

   
}

  
 else

   
{

   
$::d_plugins && msg("AlienBBC: Attempt to play non URL:
$stream\n");

    }

 


 I was no longer able to play my
 .smil files despite making the above change.  The only way to get
 these to work was to remove all the content inside, except the URL itself,
 and then change the file extension to either .rm or .ram.  See my log
 output below:


 

2005-04-08 23:13:42.9688 unk file type for
/var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.smil  (before)

2005-04-08 23:13:42.9297 rtsppl file type for
/var/slimserver/playlists/AlienStream/WDR5.ram  (after)

 

    I
assume that “unk” stands for unknown file type.

 


 AlienBBC is no longer as
 forgiving as before with my badly formed ASX files!  ;-)


Before AlienBBC 0.97, I just used to
put the stream URL into a file and just call it .asx.  To get these working, I have had to change my files to look
as follows:

 



  Cadena
Ser

  

   


  



 

Before, all that was in the file was
mms://a874.l784138873.c7841.e.lm.akamaistream.net/D/874/7841/v0001/reflector:38873.

 

 

Clearly I have broken something by making the code change
above, but for me, it pretty much does everything I want it to, so it’s
no problem for me, although a proper fix would be nice.  :-)

 

Are the problems described just with my system, or is this a
potential bug in AlienBBC 0.97?  If there is a way of getting the above
working without my code change, please let me know!

 

Thanks,

 

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RE: [slim] base, treble is stuck

[kdf]

Quoting Patrick Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> True also for fishbone on FC3 6.01 - (not that it really matters to me)
>
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>
> runing ss 6.0.1 on mandrake and bass and treble is stuck cant change it
> any thoughts
>

bass and treble are not yet supported for SB2 or Softsqueeze 2.
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1305
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Re: [slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[kdf]

Quoting XC90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> One last note... maybe it matters, maybe not.
>
> When I first installed SlimServer 6.0.1 it started scanning when I
> started the server. About 5 minutes after that, I shut down the machine
> to take it back to my "server room." It was at that point that I started
> the server a second time and have had, what is going on, 4 hours of
> scanning (mind you, 5.4 or 5.1 [I forget which I had] performed the
> exact same feat with the exact same library in 20-30 min's).
>
> Might the database have gotten corrupted that first time when it shut
> down if, as you mention, it tries to fill out the database that first
> run? Is there a way to wipe the database (which file do I delete?) and
> start it fresh?

server settings->performance->wipe cache
 or
delete ~/Library/Caches/SlimServer/slimserversql.db and restart server

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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

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* XC90 shaped the electrons to say...
Well, it just stopped indexing at over 4 hours, and... the interface
could not be any slower. I like to navigate browsing by the file
system's "Music Folder" and this is just the slowest thing I could ever imagine.
Going back and forth betwen a folder that has 582 Artists takes at
least 15-20 seconds. My olde SlimServer (whether it was 5.4 or 5.1)
used to take about 2. I cannot believe the slow down with this 6.0.1.
Has anyone else noticed this after upgrading? I'm talking about
browding by the file system here.
Browsing by Music Folder is a somewhat intensive process. Do you have "Sort
by Filename" turned on or off in the Settings page?
Some more information is needed too - How many directories are at your top 
level?
What type of machine is this? CPU? Memory?
What is the speed of Browse Artist, etc compared to Browse Music Folder?
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RE: [slim] base, treble is stuck

[Patrick Dixon]

True also for fishbone on FC3 6.01 - (not that it really matters to me)

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runing ss 6.0.1 on mandrake and bass and treble is stuck cant change it
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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[XC90]

OMG, OMG.

Well, it just stopped indexing at over 4 hours, and... the interface
could not be any slower. I like to navigate browsing by the file
system's "Music Folder" and this is just the slowest thing I could ever
imagine.

Going back and forth betwen a folder that has 582 Artists takes at
least 15-20 seconds. My olde SlimServer (whether it was 5.4 or 5.1)
used to take about 2. I cannot believe the slow down with this 6.0.1.
Has anyone else noticed this after upgrading? I'm talking about
browding by the file system here.

Looks like I'd better do a search for uninstalling 6.0.1 and giving 5.4
a try.
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RE: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - PleaseRead!

[Patrick Dixon]

I can't quite believe you guys.  Just how many of there are you and how many
minutes do you sleep each day?

I'll head for the 'new' forum in the morning when my head's a bit clearer of
the alcohol fumes.

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Ditto!

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RE: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Patrick Dixon]

Sorry Richard, but that's about the extent of my knowledge. :-(

I can only suggest that you do a search for slimserversql.db and
slimserver.db and the ../usr/local/slimserver.. stuff to see where it's put
them and go from there.

It sounds like you did all the right things (unlike me), so I'm not sure
quite where it's gone wrong for you.

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly


Hmmm... I read a discussion about that earlier, and I've never run
Version 6 as root. In this case I installed the new version over the old
one using the Upgrade option which should uninstall the old version
first. My understanding is that the install script should create the
user slimserver and give it ownership of the relevant bits. I took care
not to run the new version as root - I used:
./slimserver --user slimserver
to avoid that; so that when it was run 'first time' it wouldn't create
files and permissions that were awkward. This is the same as the
procedure I used upgrading from 5.4.1 to 6.0.0.

My suspicion is that the ownership of something has changed and I need
to delete some files and let the app recreate them, but which and where
I know not...

Thanks for your helpful comments, though, because if I hadn't run it as
root before, I certainly have now! I just need to know what and where
are the files to delete etc!

--Richard E

Patrick Dixon wrote:
> I'm NOT a Linux expert (!) but I had a similar problem when I first tried
on
> FC3.  I think you've probably installed as root and then started
slimserver
> as root when the slimserver daemon script didn't work as part of the
> install.  As a result slimserver is using /root/ as the home directory and
> has put slimserversql.db and slimserver.db in /root/, and various other
> stuff under /root/usr/local/slimserver...
>
> You probably need to kill these and their locations in a config file
> somewhere (sorry not sure where), and then restart slimserver as a normal
> user (preferably slimserver:slimserver), whereupon it will create them
> somewhere more appropriate.
>
> HTH, Patrick

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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[XC90]

One last note... maybe it matters, maybe not.

When I first installed SlimServer 6.0.1 it started scanning when I
started the server. About 5 minutes after that, I shut down the machine
to take it back to my "server room." It was at that point that I started
the server a second time and have had, what is going on, 4 hours of
scanning (mind you, 5.4 or 5.1 [I forget which I had] performed the
exact same feat with the exact same library in 20-30 min's).

Might the database have gotten corrupted that first time when it shut
down if, as you mention, it tries to fill out the database that first
run? Is there a way to wipe the database (which file do I delete?) and
start it fresh?

Thanks again,
XC

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Re: [slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[kdf]

Quoting XC90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> kdf Wrote:
> >
> > initial scan needs to fill out the database which takes more time than
> > 5.4.  32k
> > is a lot, so I really couln't say how long.  3 hours does seem a bit
> > long, but
> > there are a lot of factors to consider.  I'm also not sure how you saw
> > an
> > updated count on 5.4.x since that message you see now was also there in
> > 5.4.x.
> >
> > if you want to see an updated count, use the player and go into
> > settings->information->library information->tracks
> >
> > -kdf
>
>
> Hi there,
> Thanks for working this through with me. Additional info:
>
> a) Perhaps it was 5.1, but there was no such message on the "Home" page
> that says what 6.0.1 is saying know. Why do I say this? Because there is
> no message on the "Home" page of 6.0.1... nothing... nada. Just a big
> blanks, light gray bar at the top. The only time it says the above
> message is when I click into "Browse Artists," "Browse Albums," etc.
> Than and only then, on that certain page, does it give the message.

That message in the grey bar is suposed to be there while scanning is taking
place. Are you using iTunes?  how about checking teh debugging with d_info,
then open http://serverIP:9000/log.txt

>
> b) Is there a way to see the track info on the web server part? I do
> not implement the "Settings" on the player and it is in another room
> altogether from where I'm working.
>
only by using the log, mentioned above.

-kdf
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Re: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Michael Herger]

[..]
My suspicion is that the ownership of something has changed and I need  
to delete some files and let the app recreate them, but which and where  
I know not...
Give /usr/local/slimserver/Cache/.slimserversql.db a try.
Thanks for your helpful comments, though, because if I hadn't run it as  
root before, I certainly have now! I just need to know what and where  
are the files to delete etc!

--Richard E
Patrick Dixon wrote:
I'm NOT a Linux expert (!) but I had a similar problem when I first  
tried on
FC3.  I think you've probably installed as root and then started  
slimserver
as root when the slimserver daemon script didn't work as part of the
install.  As a result slimserver is using /root/ as the home directory  
and
has put slimserversql.db and slimserver.db in /root/, and various other
stuff under /root/usr/local/slimserver...
 You probably need to kill these and their locations in a config file
somewhere (sorry not sure where), and then restart slimserver as a  
normal
user (preferably slimserver:slimserver), whereupon it will create them
somewhere more appropriate.
 HTH, Patrick
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Re: [slim] New trunk - 6.1 db choice?

[Michael Herger]

Paul
[..]
When installing the noarch RPM, is there a way to
opt for no SQLlite, or will I have to manually go
disable it?  Maybe there could be an option
to not start SQLlite if it's already disabled?
I just started fooling with the MySQL integration,
but I'm stoked about being able to move to
just one database.  Not having SQLlite start
would be great.
AFAIK you won't have to do anything. Once you've changed the necessary  
three lines in .slimserver.prefs you're fine. That file is normally not  
touched during updates. Your MySQL parameters should stay there.

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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[XC90]

kdf Wrote: 
> 
> initial scan needs to fill out the database which takes more time than
> 5.4.  32k
> is a lot, so I really couln't say how long.  3 hours does seem a bit
> long, but
> there are a lot of factors to consider.  I'm also not sure how you saw
> an
> updated count on 5.4.x since that message you see now was also there in
> 5.4.x.
> 
> if you want to see an updated count, use the player and go into
> settings->information->library information->tracks
> 
> -kdf


Hi there,
Thanks for working this through with me. Additional info:

a) Perhaps it was 5.1, but there was no such message on the "Home" page
that says what 6.0.1 is saying know. Why do I say this? Because there is
no message on the "Home" page of 6.0.1... nothing... nada. Just a big
blanks, light gray bar at the top. The only time it says the above
message is when I click into "Browse Artists," "Browse Albums," etc.
Than and only then, on that certain page, does it give the message.

b) Is there a way to see the track info on the web server part? I do
not implement the "Settings" on the player and it is in another room
altogether from where I'm working.

Thank you,
XC


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[slim] Re: SqueezeNetwork dumb question

[daveblazer]

do we know when it will


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RE: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - PleaseRead!

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Ditto! 

> -Original Message-
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> Awesome  I'll see you all in HTTP land.
> 
> Unsubscribing...
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
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> To: "Slim Devices Discuss" 
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:22 PM
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> 
> 
> > It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / 
> email interface 
> > has been needed. We've been working hard the past few days 
> to bring up 
> > a solution that works for everyone.
> >
> > Here's the breakdown:
> >
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> >
> > The discuss list is now split up into the following forums, 
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[slim] Re: Rescan / Wipe Cache, where is the cache?

[Dan Sully]

* JJZolx shaped the electrons to say...
So is the "Wipe Cache" operation just as lazy, or is that "more
active"?  There seems to be a large amount of confusion here,
especially with all the scanning bugs that 6.0 introduced.
The wipe cache is active. There are bugs with it right now - but should be
solved by simply restarting your server.
Like the OP, I'm curious about what/where this "cache" is - Is this
just the album database information, or is there actually a seperate
disk-based cache used to display info in the interface?  If separate,
is that cache cleared when the server is rebooted, or is it persistant?
Cache is a misnomer, left over from the 5.4 series. It should really be
called "Wipe Database".
When we perform a "Rescan" are we clearing old data from the database or not?
A rescan doesn't clear any data - just picks up new data. Old data is lazily
removed as stated before. 6.1 will probably do active deletion.
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[slim] base, treble is stuck

[daveblazer]

runing ss 6.0.1 on mandrake and bass and treble is stuck cant change it
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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[XC90]

A lot are sound effect clips.

It used to take 20-30 min's with 5.4. Is there *supposed* to be update
text on the "Home" page for 6.0.1?
XC


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[slim] Re: Rescan / Wipe Cache, where is the cache?

[JJZolx]

dsully Wrote: 
> SlimServer (currently) takes a lazy approach to purging removed files -
> if you browse to that item, all the way down to the track level, SS
> will put them on the remove list.
> 
> We're planning on making this a more active task in the future, but
> need to balance it with low memory and cpu usage
So is the "Wipe Cache" operation just as lazy, or is that "more
active"?  There seems to be a large amount of confusion here,
especially with all the scanning bugs that 6.0 introduced.

Like the OP, I'm curious about what/where this "cache" is - Is this
just the album database information, or is there actually a seperate
disk-based cache used to display info in the interface?  If separate,
is that cache cleared when the server is rebooted, or is it persistant?
When we perform a "Rescan" are we clearing old data from the database
or not?


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Re: [slim] New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[kdf]

Quoting XC90 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Hello,
> My OS X 10.3 boot drive finally crashed, so I bought a new drive and
> installed OS X 10.3.8 onto it. Having been running 5.4.x for over a
> year, I decided now was the time to upgrade tp 6.0.1.
>
> The problem I'm having with 6.0.1 is that it's been 3 hours since it's
> been trying to scan 32,000 tracks. Is this normal? I used to be able to
> see progress at the "Home" menu on 5.4 by hitting reload and reading the
> text at the top; but with 6.0.1 there is no text on the "Home" menu top
> saying "X number of tracks on X albums by X artists." So, there's
> nothing to update. The only thing I see when clicking on "Browse
> Artists" (for example) os:
>
> "Note: SlimServer is still scanning your music library, so some items
> may not appear in this area yet."
>
> But, c'mon... 3 hours worth? What's the deal? Is this thing even really
> still scanning anyway (without that reload text I can't tell).

initial scan needs to fill out the database which takes more time than 5.4.  32k
is a lot, so I really couln't say how long.  3 hours does seem a bit long, but
there are a lot of factors to consider.  I'm also not sure how you saw an
updated count on 5.4.x since that message you see now was also there in 5.4.x.

if you want to see an updated count, use the player and go into
settings->information->library information->tracks

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[slim] Re: New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[daveblazer]

wow that's alot of songs i have slimserver on linux and it takes 20 to
30 mins for 11,000 songs with pictures


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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[JohnnyLightOn]

Thank god - I can participate again!

See ya all on the forums (or the list, as the case may be).  :)


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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

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Dan Sully wrote:
Will these be available on gmane?
cheers
It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a 
solution
that works for everyone.

Here's the breakdown:
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The discuss list is now split up into the following forums, and their
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[slim] New to 6.x: Scan Time?

[XC90]

Hello,
My OS X 10.3 boot drive finally crashed, so I bought a new drive and
installed OS X 10.3.8 onto it. Having been running 5.4.x for over a
year, I decided now was the time to upgrade tp 6.0.1.

The problem I'm having with 6.0.1 is that it's been 3 hours since it's
been trying to scan 32,000 tracks. Is this normal? I used to be able to
see progress at the "Home" menu on 5.4 by hitting reload and reading the
text at the top; but with 6.0.1 there is no text on the "Home" menu top
saying "X number of tracks on X albums by X artists." So, there's
nothing to update. The only thing I see when clicking on "Browse
Artists" (for example) os:

"Note: SlimServer is still scanning your music library, so some items
may not appear in this area yet."

But, c'mon... 3 hours worth? What's the deal? Is this thing even really
still scanning anyway (without that reload text I can't tell).

Thanks,
XC

* P.S. I have searched the Forum, but don't see anything in particular
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Daniel Cohen]

On 8/4/05 at 9:40 pm +0100, Philip Meyer wrote
 >I guess it's too late to suggest splitting off Windows and Mac-specific
lists as well?
That would possibly be nice - I have no interest in Mac-specific content.
However, how does a user know if something is Mac-specific?  Is 
there enough Mac traffic to require its own list (forum)?

I'd hate it if people posted things to a Mac-specific list if they 
weren't actually Mac specific problems.  For that reason, I'm not 
sure it's all that wise to have a specific unix list.  Perhaps it 
would be better to have a specific windows list, as that would be 
the biggest group of users.
I tend to agree. Also, The Unix/Linux list should possibly include 
Mac. There are differences, of course, but most Mac problems have 
been Unixy in nature.

Do we have to sign up separately to the email lists if we want them?
Though, at the moment, I think that, while I was happy with one big 
email ist, if I have to subscribe to many, I may as well change to 
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Re: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Richard Elen]

Hmmm... I read a discussion about that earlier, and I've never run 
Version 6 as root. In this case I installed the new version over the old 
one using the Upgrade option which should uninstall the old version 
first. My understanding is that the install script should create the 
user slimserver and give it ownership of the relevant bits. I took care 
not to run the new version as root - I used:
./slimserver --user slimserver
to avoid that; so that when it was run 'first time' it wouldn't create 
files and permissions that were awkward. This is the same as the 
procedure I used upgrading from 5.4.1 to 6.0.0.

My suspicion is that the ownership of something has changed and I need 
to delete some files and let the app recreate them, but which and where 
I know not...

Thanks for your helpful comments, though, because if I hadn't run it as 
root before, I certainly have now! I just need to know what and where 
are the files to delete etc!

--Richard E
Patrick Dixon wrote:
I'm NOT a Linux expert (!) but I had a similar problem when I first tried on
FC3.  I think you've probably installed as root and then started slimserver
as root when the slimserver daemon script didn't work as part of the
install.  As a result slimserver is using /root/ as the home directory and
has put slimserversql.db and slimserver.db in /root/, and various other
stuff under /root/usr/local/slimserver...
You probably need to kill these and their locations in a config file
somewhere (sorry not sure where), and then restart slimserver as a normal
user (preferably slimserver:slimserver), whereupon it will create them
somewhere more appropriate.
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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* Nick Silberstein shaped the electrons to say...
I'm probably missing this somewhere, but is there a moderated / 
low-traffic (pick one or both ;) list that will announce new and updated 
plugins, new slimserver releases, press releases (ie new product), and 
the like?  I do see the 3rd Party Plugins list/forum, however, I am 
fairly sure that will mainly consist of support queries, and would not 
contain any info on new slimserver or product releases, etc.
There isn't currently - but that's a very good idea. I'll toss it around 
the office.
Could this perhaps be integrated into the Slimserver product -- "Update 
plugin -> Check for new plugins, Slimserver updates, etc."?
Right now the plugins are scattered about various home pages of the people
developing them. At some point in the future (near?), we'd like to have a
centralized database, along the lines of Winamp Plugins.
Once that happens - the feature you suggest will be more feasible.
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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* Philip Meyer shaped the electrons to say...
What happened to the other forum site that was being developed?  At least
that had some resemblence of a threaded approach.
The Gossamer Forum software was not as flexible as we would have liked it to
be without a decent amount of coding going into it.
You can change your display mode to Threaded or Hybrid views in the user 
preferences.
It looks like some attempt has been made to split old mailing list messages
into message topics in the forum.  I can see lots of root messages that
have the same title, but aren't grouped.  And messages that are in the same
grouping aren't displayed threaded.
Will this improve as new messages are posted - ie. is just an artifact of
the transit period?  I'd hate it if email messages aren't threaded properly
because people post new messages in the forum, rather than replies to
specific posts.
Yes - I made an attempt at moving some of the messages into their 
appropriate
new lists/forums. It is an artifact of the transit period.
The mail gateway attempts to find a References: header first, and then goes
by Subject: for the threading integration.
Gee, what a day.  First I hear that EZTree was closed, then Slim Devices
had moved to forums, then find that EZTree has appeared to re-open as DIME.
My day seems to be recovering ;)
Not moved - just added. :)
-D
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Nick Silberstein]

Dan Sully wrote:
It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a 
solution
that works for everyone.
I find myself sticking to the discuss list to find out about if there 
are cool new features available for my Squeezebox (i.e., Rss Plugin, 
AlienBBC, etc), while I'm really not interested in the majority of posts 
(with the audiophile back and forth being my least favorite -- any email 
containing the string 'jitter' is drawn and quartered, flogged, then 
automatically shot back at the sender in a burst of flesh-colored confetti).

I'm probably missing this somewhere, but is there a moderated / 
low-traffic (pick one or both ;) list that will announce new and updated 
plugins, new slimserver releases, press releases (ie new product), and 
the like?  I do see the 3rd Party Plugins list/forum, however, I am 
fairly sure that will mainly consist of support queries, and would not 
contain any info on new slimserver or product releases, etc.

Could this perhaps be integrated into the Slimserver product -- "Update 
plugin -> Check for new plugins, Slimserver updates, etc."?

Best regards,
Nick
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[slim] Re: Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* ron thigpen shaped the electrons to say...
Oh, one more question:
Will the gmane NNTP integration continue?
Yes - the developers & discuss lists are still being sent to gmane.
Someone will need to set up the other lists - not sure if we did that
initially, or someone from gmane did.
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Philip Meyer]

>We'll be tweaking the forums as needed. Please let us know if you have any 
>questions.
What happened to the other forum site that was being developed?  At least that 
had some resemblence of a threaded approach.

It looks like some attempt has been made to split old mailing list messages 
into message topics in the forum.  I can see lots of root messages that have 
the same title, but aren't grouped.  And messages that are in the same grouping 
aren't displayed threaded.

Will this improve as new messages are posted - ie. is just an artifact of the 
transit period?  I'd hate it if email messages aren't threaded properly because 
people post new messages in the forum, rather than replies to specific posts.

All in all, most people should be satisfied though.

Gee, what a day.  First I hear that EZTree was closed, then Slim Devices had 
moved to forums, then find that EZTree has appeared to re-open as DIME.  My day 
seems to be recovering ;)

Phil

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[ron thigpen]

Dan Sully wrote:
Yes - we can do that. There's been a test email list since at least two 
years ago. :)
Cool, thanks.
Oh, one more question:
Will the gmane NNTP integration continue?
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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[BKDotCom]

Thanks!
I know there were lots of dissenting opinions for the email/vs web..

It was very hard (in my opinion of course) to be a casual participant
in the old list-only forums.

Just maybe I'll be more active now.

Thanks bunches


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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* ron thigpen shaped the electrons to say...
Dan, would it make sense to set up a "Test" forum?
Might be nice to have a place to test out the gateway/username 
integration without spilling noise into the general forums.
Yes - we can do that. There's been a test email list since at least two 
years ago. :)
-D
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[ron thigpen]

Dan Sully wrote:
New Web Forums are up at http://forums.slimdevices.com/ - using vBulletin.
The discuss list is now split up into the following forums, and their
corresponding mail lists:
Dan, would it make sense to set up a "Test" forum?
Might be nice to have a place to test out the gateway/username 
integration without spilling noise into the general forums.

Thanks,
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[Philip Meyer]

>Awesome  I'll see you all in HTTP land.
>
I doubt it.  You might see some newbies though :-)

Phil

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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Philip Meyer]

>I guess it's too late to suggest splitting off Windows and Mac-specific 
>lists as well?
>
That would possibly be nice - I have no interest in Mac-specific content.

However, how does a user know if something is Mac-specific?  Is there enough 
Mac traffic to require its own list (forum)?

I'd hate it if people posted things to a Mac-specific list if they weren't 
actually Mac specific problems.  For that reason, I'm not sure it's all that 
wise to have a specific unix list.  Perhaps it would be better to have a 
specific windows list, as that would be the biggest group of users.

Phil

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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* Max shaped the electrons to say...
I can't subscribe as your registration image generator is broken:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatetruecolor() in 
/www/forums.slimdevices.com/image.php on line 102
This has been removed for now until I can fix it.
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[Max]

I can't subscribe as your registration image generator is broken:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatetruecolor() in 
/www/forums.slimdevices.com/image.php on line 102

Max
Dan Sully wrote:
It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a 
solution
that works for everyone.
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[JJ]

Awesome  I'll see you all in HTTP land.
Unsubscribing...

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Sully" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Slim Devices Discuss" 
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:22 PM
Subject: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please 
Read!


It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface 
has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a 
solution
that works for everyone.

Here's the breakdown:
New Web Forums are up at http://forums.slimdevices.com/ - using 
vBulletin.

The discuss list is now split up into the following forums, and their
corresponding mail lists:
==
* General Discussion - discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss

* Linux / Unix Issues - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix

* 3rd Party Plugins (AlienBBC, etc) - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins

* Developers - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/developers

* Audiophiles - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles

* Ripping / Encoding / Transcoding / Tagging - 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Mail list subscription: 
http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping

==
The gateway between the mail lists and the web forums runs every 5 
minutes -
so if you see a delay, that's where it's coming from.

Mail sent from the mail lists will appear on the forums as "Your Name" 
with
"Guest" underneath. If you sign up for a forums account, and your email 
is
the same as on the mail lists, that "Guest" tag will go away.

Mail sent from the forums will appear on the mail lists as "Your Name"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - with a Reply-To: set to the 
mail list.

==
We'll be tweaking the forums as needed. Please let us know if you have 
any questions.

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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* Marc Sherman shaped the electrons to say...
I guess it's too late to suggest splitting off Windows and Mac-specific lists as well?
That was brought up in our discussion, and may happen in the future.
We didn't want to fragment the lists too much from the start.
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[slim] Re: Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

* ron thigpen shaped the electrons to say...
Looks like there is a bug in the vBulletin setup.  Registration images 
are not being generated, but are required, effectively blocking 
registration.

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatetruecolor() in 
/www/forums.slimdevices.com/image.php on line 102
Removed for now. It was working last night. I guess the gremlins got to it.
-D
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Re: [slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Marc Sherman]

Dan Sully wrote:
It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a 
solution
that works for everyone.

Here's the breakdown:
[snip]
* Linux / Unix Issues - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess it's too late to suggest splitting off Windows and Mac-specific 
lists as well?

- Marc
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[ron thigpen]

Dan Sully wrote:
We'll be tweaking the forums as needed. Please let us know if you have 
any questions.
Looks like there is a bug in the vBulletin setup.  Registration images 
are not being generated, but are required, effectively blocking 
registration.

Fatal error: Call to undefined function: imagecreatetruecolor() in 
/www/forums.slimdevices.com/image.php on line 102

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[slim] Announce: New Forums - and email list gateway - Please Read!

[Dan Sully]

It's been obvious for some time that a better forums / email interface has
been needed. We've been working hard the past few days to bring up a solution
that works for everyone.
Here's the breakdown:
New Web Forums are up at http://forums.slimdevices.com/ - using vBulletin.
The discuss list is now split up into the following forums, and their
corresponding mail lists:
==
* General Discussion - discuss@lists.slimdevices.com
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
* Linux / Unix Issues - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/unix
* 3rd Party Plugins (AlienBBC, etc) - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/plugins
* Developers - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/developers
* Audiophiles - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
* Ripping / Encoding / Transcoding / Tagging - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Mail list subscription: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/ripping
==
The gateway between the mail lists and the web forums runs every 5 minutes -
so if you see a delay, that's where it's coming from.
Mail sent from the mail lists will appear on the forums as "Your Name" with
"Guest" underneath. If you sign up for a forums account, and your email is
the same as on the mail lists, that "Guest" tag will go away.
Mail sent from the forums will appear on the mail lists as "Your Name"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - with a Reply-To: set to the mail list.
==
We'll be tweaking the forums as needed. Please let us know if you have any 
questions.
Thanks 
   
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[dsully]

To subscribe to this forum as a mail list, instead of reading it on the
web, go to: http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss

Email to the list will be gatewayed to these forums, and vice-versa.


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Re: [slim] SS 6.0 and RSS plugin

[Dave Cohen]

I believe at last I have this fixed.  Bug 1339 is tracking the issue:



For details as to the cause, and for a version of the Plugin which
solves the problem, see the bug.

Please let me know if this does not in fact solve the problem.

Thanks Roy for the help tracking this down.

-Dave


On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 04:59:47PM -0500, Roy Owen wrote:
> In the course of debugging a different problem I ran acros the
> following in the log file
> 
> 2005-04-01 16:45:42.5880 current rss feed not set\n2005-04-01
> 16:45:42.5990 Backtrace:
> 
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[slim] New trunk - 6.1 db choice?

[PAUL WILLIAMSON]

How have the last two nightlies of 6.1 been for 
people?  I'm just wondering, because my counts 
(artists, genres, albums, etc.) have gotten better 
than even on the stable from 6.0.1 release a few 
days ago.  I'm amazed at how fast the scanning 
has gotten in the last couple weeks, and with the 
addition of what Dan has sent to incorporate 
changes in my slimserver.conf file to add support 
for MySQL, I'm quite happy.

Now, on to my other question...

When installing the noarch RPM, is there a way to 
opt for no SQLlite, or will I have to manually go 
disable it?  Maybe there could be an option 
to not start SQLlite if it's already disabled?
I just started fooling with the MySQL integration, 
but I'm stoked about being able to move to 
just one database.  Not having SQLlite start 
would be great.

Is this a candidate for http://bugs.slimdevices.com ?

Thanks,
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RE: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Patrick Dixon]

I'm NOT a Linux expert (!) but I had a similar problem when I first tried on
FC3.  I think you've probably installed as root and then started slimserver
as root when the slimserver daemon script didn't work as part of the
install.  As a result slimserver is using /root/ as the home directory and
has put slimserversql.db and slimserver.db in /root/, and various other
stuff under /root/usr/local/slimserver...

You probably need to kill these and their locations in a config file
somewhere (sorry not sure where), and then restart slimserver as a normal
user (preferably slimserver:slimserver), whereupon it will create them
somewhere more appropriate.

HTH, Patrick

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Sent: 08 April 2005 19:35
To: Slim Devices Discussion
Subject: Re: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly


The server started up fine when run as root.
Permissions issue?
--Richard E

Richard Elen wrote:
> DBD::SQLite:: db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at
> dbdimp.c line 401 at
> /var/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 68, <$fh>
> line 21.

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[slim] AlienBBC Problem

[Jeremy Baynham]

Yes there is only one socketwrapper.exe, and I have tried manually 
replacing it with the one in the 6.0.1 zip download, but to no avail...
- Original Message -
Hum - I would have expected error messages from socketwrapper for the 
alien case. Could you do a search on your machine to ensure you only 
have one version of socketwrapper.exe (the one that came with 6.0) ?

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Re: [slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Richard Elen]

The server started up fine when run as root.
Permissions issue?
--Richard E
Richard Elen wrote:
DBD::SQLite:: db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at 
dbdimp.c line 401 at 
/var/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 68, <$fh> 
line 21.
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

[Neil Cameron]

That didn't work.
It is more complicated by the fact that SlimServer and the Sourecforge 
download appear to install themselves in totally different directories.  The 
latter in c:\program files\softsqueeze, and the latter in c:\documents and 
settings\application data\Sun\java\etc etc etc.
Although the latter has since disappeared!

-- 
Neil


"Richard Titmuss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Neil Cameron wrote:
>
>>I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.
>>
>>Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
>>installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - but 
>>when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?
>>
>>
> I have checked both the slimserver 6.0.1 and 6.1 releases, and they do 
> include Softsqueeze 2.0b3. I wonder if it is a caching problem with java 
> web start. You could try opening the Java Control Panel (in you WinXP 
> Control Panel), and deleting the temporary internet files.
>
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

[Neil Cameron]

Aaah.  Very clever - they are also autowierded in postings.
So how do I get you these logs?

-- 
Neil


"Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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>I forgot that email addresses are wierded - mine is 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -- 
> Neil
>
>
> "Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Richard
>>
>> I've tried to post these (long) error logs three times; the go, but don't 
>> turn up on the Forum.
>> Can you email your email address to me so I can send them to you?
>>
>> -- 
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
>>> installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - 
>>> but when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "Richard Titmuss" 
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
>>> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Neil Cameron wrote:

>Still having a real probem with this as of 6 April Nightly...
>
 The Audio Buffer Underrun errors are mostly harmless, it depends on 
 when they happen. Does the visualizer still work when the audio has 
 stopped?

 If the visualizer stops then this indicates a problem with the mp3 
 decoder or stream from the server. Could you capture 'player' debug, if 
 possible noting where the audio stopped.

 If the visualizer keeps running, then it indicates a problem getting 
 the audio data to the sound card. Could you capture 'javasound' debug, 
 note this is very verbose.

 Thanks,
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Re: [slim] AlienBBC Problem

[Triode]

Hum - I would have expected error messages from socketwrapper for the alien 
case.
Could you do a search on your machine to ensure you only have one version of socketwrapper.exe (the one that came with 6.0) ?
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 7:54 AM
Subject: [slim] AlienBBC Problem


OK, can hear the stream, trace is now:
>>>
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7451 db:f6:c3:00:8d:48: Switching to mode stop from 
playout-play
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7478 db:f6:c3:00:8d:48 New play mode: stop
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7506 Stopping and clearing out old chunks for client 
db:f6:c3:00:8d:48
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7670 Resetting song queue
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7689 Song queue is now 0
2005-04-08 07:46:56.7844 db:f6:c3:00:8d:48: Current playmode: stop
2005-04-08 07:46:56.8005 Adding song index 0 to song queue
2005-04-08 07:46:56.8023 Song queue is now 0,0
2005-04-08 07:46:56.8381 Trying to open protocol stream for 
mms://vruk.wm.llnwd.net/vruk_vr_hi
2005-04-08 07:46:56.8402 Looking for handler for protocol mms
2005-04-08 07:46:56.8420 Found handler for protocol mms
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1117 checking formats for: wma-aif-*-*
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1149 Checking to see if wma-aif-*-* is enabled
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1164enabled
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1219 checking formats for: wma-wav-*-*
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1237 Checking to see if wma-wav-*-* is enabled
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1253enabled
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1267   Found command: [wmadec] -r 44100 -b 16 -n 2 $FILE$
2005-04-08 07:46:57.1437 Matched Format: wav Type: wma Command: [wmadec] -r 
44100 -b 16 -n 2 $FILE$
2005-04-08 07:46:57.2543 Backtrace:
  frame 0: Slim::Utils::Prefs::clientGet (/PerlApp/Slim/Player/Protocols/MMS.pm 
line 43)
  frame 1: Slim::Player::Protocols::MMS::new (/PerlApp/Slim/Player/Source.pm 
line 1844)
  frame 2: Slim::Player::Source::openRemoteStream (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm 
line 477)
  frame 3: Slim::Utils::Scan::readList (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 207)
  frame 4: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList_run (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 
147)
  frame 5: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList (/PerlApp/Slim/Control/Command.pm line 
943)
  frame 6: Slim::Control::Command::execute (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 662)
  frame 7: Slim::Web::HTTP::processURL (/PerlApp/Slim/Web/HTTP.pm line 530)
  frame 8: Slim::Web::HTTP::processHTTP (/PerlApp/Slim/Networking/Select.pm 
line 115)
  frame 9: Slim::Networking::Select::select (slimserver.pl line 619)
  frame 10: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 40)
  frame 11: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc line 1204)
  frame 12: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0)
  frame 13: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)
2005-04-08 07:46:57.2584 Using command for conversion: "C:\Program 
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\wmadec.exe" -r 44100 -b 16 -n 2 "mms://vruk.wm.llnwd.net/vruk_vr_hi"
2005-04-08 07:46:57.2838 Launching process with command: "C:\Program 
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\socketwrapper.exe" -o 4440 -c "\"C:\Program 
Files\SlimServer\server\Bin\MSWin32-x86-multi-thread\wmadec.exe\" -r 44100 -b 16 -n 2 \"mms://vruk.wm.llnwd.net/vruk_vr_hi\""
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9090 Backtrace:

  frame 0: Slim::Player::Source::playmode (/PerlApp/Slim/Player/Source.pm line 
730)
  frame 1: Slim::Player::Source::jumpto (/PerlApp/Slim/Control/Command.pm line 
1684)
  frame 2: Slim::Control::Command::load_done (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 
459)
  frame 3: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList_done (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 
362)
  frame 4: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList_run (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scheduler.pm 
line 95)
  frame 5: Slim::Utils::Scheduler::run_tasks (slimserver.pl line 603)
  frame 6: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 40)
  frame 7: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc line 1204)
  frame 8: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0)
  frame 9: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9119 db:f6:c3:00:8d:48: Switching to mode stop from stop
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9137  Already in playmode stop : ignoring mode change
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9155 Adding song index 0 to song queue
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9173 Clearing out song queue first
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9192 Song queue is now 0
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9213 Backtrace:
  frame 0: Slim::Player::Source::playmode (/PerlApp/Slim/Player/Source.pm line 
760)
  frame 1: Slim::Player::Source::jumpto (/PerlApp/Slim/Control/Command.pm line 
1684)
  frame 2: Slim::Control::Command::load_done (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 
459)
  frame 3: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList_done (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 
362)
  frame 4: Slim::Utils::Scan::addToList_run (/PerlApp/Slim/Utils/Scheduler.pm 
line 95)
  frame 5: Slim::Utils::Scheduler::run_tasks (slimserver.pl line 603)
  frame 6: main::idle (slimserver.pl line 40)
  frame 7: PerlSvc::Startup (perlsvc line 1204)
  frame 8: PerlSvc::_startup (slimserver.pl line 0)
  frame 9: (eval) (slimserver.pl line 0)
2005-04-08 07:46:57.9243 db:f6:c3:00:8d:48: Switching to mode play from stop
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[slim] SS6.0.1-1, RH7.2, db do failed, readonly

[Richard Elen]

Hi... Had a look in the archives but couldn't find this one, apologies 
if it's already been discussed.

Just upgraded from "6.0.1" (which said "6.0.0" on the server page) to 
"6.0.1-1", the Linux RPM on the download page 8 Apr.

I'm running RH7.2 and installed using rpm -Uvh over the previous.
On starting it using
./slimserver.pl --user slimserver
(I have to do this due to init file problems at present)
I get the now-familiar XML::parser message; but now rather later I get this:
DBD::SQLite:: db do failed: attempt to write a readonly database(1) at 
dbdimp.c line 401 at 
/var/local/slimserver/Slim/DataStores/DBI/DataModel.pm line 68, <$fh> 
line 21.

- and of course it no longer works.
Do I need to trash the database and if so where is it?
Or something else?
Thanks,
--Richard E
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

[Neil Cameron]

I forgot that email addresses are wierded - mine is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-- 
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"Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Richard
>
> I've tried to post these (long) error logs three times; the go, but don't 
> turn up on the Forum.
> Can you email your email address to me so I can send them to you?
>
> -- 
> Neil
>
>
> "Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.
>>
>> Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
>> installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - 
>> but when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?
>>
>> -- 
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "Richard Titmuss" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in 
>> message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Neil Cameron wrote:
>>>
Still having a real probem with this as of 6 April Nightly...

>>> The Audio Buffer Underrun errors are mostly harmless, it depends on when 
>>> they happen. Does the visualizer still work when the audio has stopped?
>>>
>>> If the visualizer stops then this indicates a problem with the mp3 
>>> decoder or stream from the server. Could you capture 'player' debug, if 
>>> possible noting where the audio stopped.
>>>
>>> If the visualizer keeps running, then it indicates a problem getting the 
>>> audio data to the sound card. Could you capture 'javasound' debug, note 
>>> this is very verbose.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard 



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Re: [slim] Problems with alienBBC + mplayer + playlist

[Triode]

Which version of slimserver is this on?
There is definately a problem around this area with 0.95 and 0.97 on 6.0+, but I thought the old version worked OK on 5.4 - are you 
on 6.0?
- Original Message - 
From: "Bram Vermeer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" 
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:48 AM
Subject: [slim] Problems with alienBBC + mplayer + playlist


I have some problems accessing url's in alienBBC (version 0.94)
I have put some streaming stations in a playlist, like
rtsp://195.37.152.241/broadcast/multikulti
and
rtsp://stream1.rbb-online.de/broadcast/fritz-live.ra
The last url is recognized correctly by Slimserver, but url's without a suffix give a problem. Slim tries to get a playlist with 
urls like:
rtsp://195.37.152.241/broadcast/multikulti

The Slim complaint is:
cannot connect to http daemon to get playlist
at /usr/local/slimserver/Slim/Utils/Scan.pm line 480.
Which is logical, because it's not a playlist url.
I tried to make some changes in custom-types.conf, to change the type from 
'playlist' into 'audio', but unsuccessfully.
Am I doing something wrong?
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Re: [slim] SoftSqueeze Audio Buffer Underrun

[Neil Cameron]

Richard

I've tried to post these (long) error logs three times; the go, but don't 
turn up on the Forum.
Can you email your email address to me so I can send them to you?

-- 
Neil


"Neil Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> I've just upgraded to 6.1 and am trying it now.
>
> Meanwhile, can you help with the 2b2 versus 2b3 problem?  I keep 
> installing 2b3, or so I think, and the opening flash Window says 2b3 - but 
> when I go to look it always says 2b2.  How is that?
>
> -- 
> Neil
>
>
> "Richard Titmuss" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Neil Cameron wrote:
>>
>>>Still having a real probem with this as of 6 April Nightly...
>>>
>> The Audio Buffer Underrun errors are mostly harmless, it depends on when 
>> they happen. Does the visualizer still work when the audio has stopped?
>>
>> If the visualizer stops then this indicates a problem with the mp3 
>> decoder or stream from the server. Could you capture 'player' debug, if 
>> possible noting where the audio stopped.
>>
>> If the visualizer keeps running, then it indicates a problem getting the 
>> audio data to the sound card. Could you capture 'javasound' debug, note 
>> this is very verbose.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard 



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[slim] Re: Rescan / Wipe Cache, where is the cache?

[Dan Sully]

* Max shaped the electrons to say...
I've just found the same thing.  I renamed some of my albums (both 
folder and tags) then did a rescan.  I now have both the old and new 
names appearing in SlimServer.
SlimServer (currently) takes a lazy approach to purging removed files - if
you browse to that item, all the way down to the track level, SS will put
them on the remove list.
We're planning on making this a more active task in the future, but need to
balance it with low memory and cpu usage 

-D
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[slim] Re: Mac OSX Slimserver listing many songs twice

[Dan Sully]

* Joe Hickey shaped the electrons to say...
Yep, all the music is on an external drive called iTunes (I've stuck 
aliases to it in both users' home folders where the iTunes folder 
usually goes so we all see the same library).
I'll try trashing the .db file this evening.
Ok - I would recommend not setting a Music Folder in the SlimServer 
settings as well.
So SlimServer should find the iTunes XML file, and then see that the Music
Folder is on an external drive.
-D
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[slim] Squeezebox 2 Display Problem Question

[Gerald B. Cox]

Yes, actually the problem can be seen when the unit is powered on after being
unplugged and the initial boot sequence starts.  Has anyone seen this?

> does it disappear if you power the sb2 off and back on? if so it may
> be the same issue I saw.


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Re: [slim] SB2 Platinums???

[Max]

I guess that mean that I've got at least two weeks to wait for my SB2 in 
the UK.  Don't suppose you'd consider bribes, would you?  :-)

Max
dean blackketter wrote:
We're expecting delivery of the platinum cases in the next couple days. 
 Assembly and test adds a little time.  My guess is that we'll be done 
with our backlog of Platinums next week.
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Re: [slim] Classifying music

[Steve Bernard, Jr]

On Apr 8, 2005 9:24 AM, Max wrote:
> Are there any helpful resources out there that would help me in the
> daunting task of classifying all my newly-ripped music?  I'm using EAC
> to rip to FLAC, so I currently have the cddb genres set for most of my
> music.  However, these tend to be distinctly variable (Alanis Morissette
> = folk, for example).  I therefore need to go through and sanitize
> everything, but in many cases I really don't have any idea what genre to
> use.  I want to be able to use genre's to tell SlimServer to play music
> at random of a certain style, but working out what to call Pink Floyd,
> Royksopp, Mark Knopfler etc is really quite difficult!

I have an awful lot of trouble with this subject, myself, which is
basically because I only find music classification to be helpful in
the very broadest of terms, or for very specific matters.  The last
thing I want to do is have to worry about where the line is between
folk and country, or jazz and fusion, or indie pop and indie rock, or
trance and goa, etc, when I'm just trying to get all of my music
tagged and set up on the SlimServer.  I don't want to ever be in a
position of, "Now where is that artist?  Are they hard rock or are
they metal?"

Consequently, I currently run with 4 genres: Xmas, Classical, Spoken
Word/Comedy, and General.  This is not really a great setup, all
things considered, but the basic concept is that everything in General
I'm more or less happy to hear mixed in with or in sequence with
anything else, whereas I want the other three classifications not to
encroach on my usual listening habits unless I select them
specifically.

Now, if I wanted to look for an online resource for getting the genre
for specific acts, I'd head on over to http://www.allmusic.com/  They
have a pretty reasonable breakdown of top-level genres for Popular
Music and Classical Music (although 'Cajun' having its own top-level
all to itself is a bit puzzling), and there are countless Styles and
sub-Styles under each genre.  So Pink Floyd, for example, is in the
main top-level genre 'Rock' and with styles like Prog-Rock/Art Rock,
Psychedelic, British Psychedelia, Hard Rock, etc.  These are all
correct to varying degrees over the course of the band's career.

One option is to use SlimServer's ability to separate multiple items
in tags by adding both the top-level genre and one or more of the
styles which you think are appropriate.  So you can have several
artists that all show up under 'Jazz', but they also show up
separately under 'Bop', 'Fusion', 'Swing', or whatever.

In my case I use a plus sign for a tag separator, so (back to Pink
Floyd) I could tag the songs on 'Piper at the Gates of Dawn' as 'Rock
+ Psychedlic' and tag the songs on Atom Heart Mother as 'Rock +
Prog-Rock/Art Rock'. That way all of my Pink Floyd albums show up
under the Rock genre in Slimserver, but they also show up under their
respective places in the other genres.

I'm actually liking this line of reasoning enough that I might do
this, myself.  It'd be hell on my portable player, though, which
doesn't understand separators.

You also asked about MoodLogic and MusicMagic.  These are programs
that will scan your music library and internally make decisions about
which kinds of music go together.  So after it scans you can select a
song or artist or genre and have the program make you a custom
playlist of songs it has determined are a good stylistic match.  I
haven't used MoodLogic much, but in toying with MusicMagic, I know
there's also a feature where you can select a bunch of songs manually
and label them all as a certain 'mood', and MusicMagic can use these
connections to figure out based on what data it has what other things
it thinks belongs in that mood.  It's all pretty neat, but it's no
real solution for creating genre tags, if that's what you're after.

-Steve
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