[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Aylwin

WARNING: Off topic.

Congratulations to all the new parents out there!  Double that if it's
your first!  I have a 2 month old myself.  Our third child.

I can surely identify with wanting more SB2's.  The recent reduction in
price and the discount on international shipping is very tempting
indeed.  Still, I know I'm going to get hammered by customs when it
gets here so I'm holding out.  I got my first SB2 through a friend in
the US who happened to be coming for a business trip.  Now, I'm waiting
for anyone else I know who may be coming over...

By the way, I've been watching Slim Devices since the SliMP3.  At the
time, it wasn't practical for me to get one.  Now, with the SB2 and
it's wireless capability it was time.  Although I'm a new customer,
Slim Devices has appeared to be a solid company for the past 5 years. 
I wish them the very best for the next 5!


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Re: [slim] 404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone

2005-08-03 Thread kdf


On 3-Aug-05, at 10:39 PM, Stewart Loving-Gibbard wrote:



Weird.

When I run Firefox 1.0.6, I get the 404 error about browse.html. 
Neither of these suggestions about flushing the cache fixes the 
problem. (I just
flush Cache and History. I do not flush Saved Form Information, Saved 
Passwords, or Cookies.)




try using the pulldown to pick a different browse mode.  that will 
reset the cookie, if that's the problem.


-kdf

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[slim] Re: Feature request - guessing tags

2005-08-03 Thread buzd

Hate to be a pain, but is my logic so mucked up that this doesn't even
merit a response?

(Even though that probably sounds like it, I'm not trying to be pushy
or annoying, but if I missed something obvious, I'd appreciate someone
pointing it out).

I appreciate your comments.

Thanks,
ashton


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Re: [slim] 404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone

2005-08-03 Thread Stewart Loving-Gibbard


Weird.

When I run Firefox 1.0.6, I get the 404 error about browse.html. Neither 
of these suggestions about flushing the cache fixes the problem. (I just
flush Cache and History. I do not flush Saved Form Information, Saved 
Passwords, or Cookies.)


When I run IE 6.0.2900.2180, I don't have the 404 problem.

Stew



IE

kdf wrote:


On 3-Aug-05, at 5:26 PM, Bill Moseley wrote:


Both in v6.1.1 and with svn I get

404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone


browse.html no longer exists, do a shift reload or empty the browser cache.
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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

kdf Wrote: 
> On 3-Aug-05, at 8:06 PM, datdude wrote:
> >>
> >
> > The docs are available on the dowload of slimserver or are they
> online
> > here somwhere?
> >
> they are included in the download.  access is via the web interface.
> 
> a copy of those docs hasn't yet made it into the wiki 
> (wiki.slimdevices.com) but the Plugin API and SlimProto can be found 
> there.
> 
> -kdf

cool, I will forward this onto JRiver.  I know nothing will happen but
hopefully they will see that there is an interest in combining these 2
tpyes of products.


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Re: [slim] FPC Cable for Display

2005-08-03 Thread Robert Zimmerman

Hi,

I'm looking to mount take one apart and mount the display outside 
cabinetry since all my other equipment is hidden behind cabinets.  I 
use an Intellicontrol Remote system and want to tie it all together, 
yet be able to read the display from across the room.


So, looking for same info and source in the US.

Thanks,
Rob




Hello,

I am planning to rehouse my Squeezebox in a new case to match my
Copland gear and to do this I need to have a much longer cable between
the main board and the display board. These are currently connected by
a very short FPC cable, so I have some questions for some of the more
experienced hardware modders on the fora.

what is the spec of this cable (pitch, number of connectors) and where
can I source a longer one (in the UK if possible)? Also what is the
maximum length it can be and will I need to alter the power supply
arrangements to compensate for the longer cable?

thanks in advance

Paul


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Re: [slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread kdf


On 3-Aug-05, at 8:06 PM, datdude wrote:




The docs are available on the dowload of slimserver or are they online
here somwhere?


they are included in the download.  access is via the web interface.

a copy of those docs hasn't yet made it into the wiki 
(wiki.slimdevices.com) but the Plugin API and SlimProto can be found 
there.


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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

kdf Wrote: 
> On 3-Aug-05, at 7:41 PM, datdude wrote:
> >
> > hmm not a bad idea.  I own an unlimited of MMM.  Would I simply use
> the
> > squeezebox as the default player and then hit play.  Anthing that is
> in
> > the primary screen would play?  Still not what I am looking for but
> > cool none the less.
> >
> Musicmagic is mainly for organisation, but also allows you to play back
> 
> using several player types, slimserver being one.  I think you have to
> 
> start musicmagic with --slim in the command line and then slimserver 
> will appear as a player in the musicmagic custom options, as well as 
> when you right  click on the play button.  It should even detect 
> multiple players and list them so that you can pick one. Anything you 
> mix into the bottom window should then be sent as a playlist to 
> slimserver.
> 
> in theory, jRiver could do the same thing if someone wanted to write 
> the plugin.  The docs for the CLI are very good and are included in the
> 
> help section of slimserver, under technical information.  Pass that 
> around the jriver forum and you will double the odds that someone will
> 
> be interested and able to spend the time.
> 
> -kdf

The docs are available on the dowload of slimserver or are they online
here somwhere?

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Re: [slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread kdf


On 3-Aug-05, at 7:41 PM, datdude wrote:


hmm not a bad idea.  I own an unlimited of MMM.  Would I simply use the
squeezebox as the default player and then hit play.  Anthing that is in
the primary screen would play?  Still not what I am looking for but
cool none the less.

Musicmagic is mainly for organisation, but also allows you to play back 
using several player types, slimserver being one.  I think you have to 
start musicmagic with --slim in the command line and then slimserver 
will appear as a player in the musicmagic custom options, as well as 
when you right  click on the play button.  It should even detect 
multiple players and list them so that you can pick one. Anything you 
mix into the bottom window should then be sent as a playlist to 
slimserver.


in theory, jRiver could do the same thing if someone wanted to write 
the plugin.  The docs for the CLI are very good and are included in the 
help section of slimserver, under technical information.  Pass that 
around the jriver forum and you will double the odds that someone will 
be interested and able to spend the time.


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[slim] mDNS broadcasts on all IP addresses

2005-08-03 Thread slimbls

Hi, slimserver newbie here...I have a suse 9.2 linux system that's my
firewall and media server (please, no bottle tossing this way).

After I installed slimserver (6.1.1) I asked it very nicely to only use
my internal ethernet, but I'm still seeing UDP packets from myself on
port 5353 to 224.0.0.251.

How can I nicely tell mDNS to not broadcast on my external ethernet
adapter besides a couple of lines in iptables?

Thanks!

Benn


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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

kdf Wrote: 
> On 3-Aug-05, at 6:50 PM, datdude wrote:
> 
> >
> > radish Wrote:
> >> It does. The API is open, the source is even open. Anyone who feels
> 
> >> like
> >> it can write a plugin for J River to control slimserver, or even
> some
> >> kind of virtual soundcard driver to bypass slimserver altogether
> >> (though that would be a much more significant undertaking).
> >
> > Would this be difficult becuase i am no programmer.  I have not seen
> > any other media player attempt this with te squeezebox that is, so
> it's
> > probably not easy.
> >
> Try musicmagic. they use the Command Line Interface of slimserver to 
> send playlists to slimserver.
> -kdf


hmm not a bad idea.  I own an unlimited of MMM.  Would I simply use the
squeezebox as the default player and then hit play.  Anthing that is in
the primary screen would play?  Still not what I am looking for but
cool none the less.


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Re: [slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread kdf


On 3-Aug-05, at 6:50 PM, datdude wrote:



radish Wrote:
It does. The API is open, the source is even open. Anyone who feels 
like

it can write a plugin for J River to control slimserver, or even some
kind of virtual soundcard driver to bypass slimserver altogether
(though that would be a much more significant undertaking).


Would this be difficult becuase i am no programmer.  I have not seen
any other media player attempt this with te squeezebox that is, so it's
probably not easy.

Try musicmagic. they use the Command Line Interface of slimserver to 
send playlists to slimserver.

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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

m1abrams Wrote: 
> I am not sure why one would want to do this?  Is J River that great? 
> Why would you want a bulky laptop around to listen to music?  I have
> used Winamp, and use to like it until it started falling behind it
> updating its software, and is currently abandoned.  I use foobar for my
> local computer listening needs, however I would never want to use it for
> an interface for my SB.
> 
> Give Slimserver a try, you might be surpised at how good it is. It has
> a very nice DB for storing, sorting, and filtering your music.  
> 
> I am a geek at heart, hell I have 10 running computers in my home.  1
> HTPC, however I use the SB to listen to music over the HTPC because it
> is simplier, less obtrusive, better UI.
> 
> To eash his own, however I would bet money that most SB users would not
> have a need for such an integration.  YOur are correct that existing SB users 
> don't need this but peopel
wanting other ways such as aportable light laptop.  In my house Icould
by at least 4 SB's and hwere ever I am at working on something
whatever, I can bring my laptop with me and play to that squeezebox. 
Im sure there are many ohters that would love to do this.

And yes J. River MediaCenter is that good.  It's the best desktop music
player out there period.  check it out, you might like it alot. 

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/


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Re: [slim] 404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone

2005-08-03 Thread kdf


On 3-Aug-05, at 5:26 PM, Bill Moseley wrote:


Both in v6.1.1 and with svn I get

404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone

browse.html no longer exists, do a shift reload or empty the browser 
cache.

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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread JJZolx

radish Wrote: 
> It does. The API is open, the source is even open. Anyone who feels like
> it can write a plugin for J River to control slimserver
I can't see too many folks being interested in going that route. 
Running the 50+MB SlimServer only so that some other media player can
send it basic playback commands makes almost no sense.

If there were some kind of lighter weight server or maybe a device
driver for controlling a Squeezebox, then it might be attractive.


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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread m1abrams

I am not sure why one would want to do this?  Is J River that great? 
Why would you want a bulky laptop around to listen to music?  I have
used Winamp, and use to like it until it started falling behind it
updating its software, and is currently abandoned.  I use foobar for my
local computer listening needs, however I would never want to use it for
an interface for my SB.

Give Slimserver a try, you might be surpised at how good it is. It has
a very nice DB for storing, sorting, and filtering your music.  

I am a geek at heart, hell I have 10 running computers in my home.  1
HTPC, however I use the SB to listen to music over the HTPC because it
is simplier, less obtrusive, better UI.

To eash his own, however I would bet money that most SB users would not
have a need for such an integration.


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Re: [slim] fixed modified tags

2005-08-03 Thread Ben Sandee
On 8/3/05, Jack Coates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought that browsing down to the file level was supposed to clean up
> a changed tag in the database? I've tried that, and tried a rescan
> without wipe. Is a wipe necessary to get it to re-read the tag?

Jack,

It seems likely to me that this behavior was changed as a result of
the big browse folder/filesystem speed improvements.  It would seem
that browsing to a specific file should still do what you suggest
though and it could do so without causing significant performance
degradation.

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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

radish Wrote: 
> It does. The API is open, the source is even open. Anyone who feels like
> it can write a plugin for J River to control slimserver, or even some
> kind of virtual soundcard driver to bypass slimserver altogether
> (though that would be a much more significant undertaking).

Would this be difficult becuase i am no programmer.  I have not seen
any other media player attempt this with te squeezebox that is, so it's
probably not easy.


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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread radish

> If the squeezebox could allow desktop players such as winamp or J. River
> media center direct integration to it's hardware acting as a sound
> card(so too speak) to that software, then I would be in heaven and so
> would alot of other laptop users.

It does. The API is open, the source is even open. Anyone who feels
like it can write a plugin for J River to control slimserver, or even
some kind of virtual soundcard driver to bypass slimserver altogether
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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread datdude

jmpage2 Wrote: 
> How is it that the Squeezebox is limited to a browser?  Many folks drive
> it with the IR remote control (no computer at all needed).  Another
> option that has been pointed out is that you can use a PDA/phone as an
> interface for driving it.  I would say that the fact that a dedicated
> PC not being required for control is in fact a major selling point of
> devices like Squeezebox.
> 
> It sounds like what you are after is something that will simply
> transport the audio stream from your laptop music application of choice
> to your stereo.  If that's what you are after then the SB is probably
> not for you (as it seems you are married to the interface software you
> use for your music collection).
> 
> The only real options would be some patch cords or a wireless X11 type
> device.  The fidelity for any of these options (including apple
> airtunes) is probably quite mediocre, this is an area in which SB2
> excels (deliverying very high quality audio reproduction from the host
> server FLAC or MP3 audio files).
> 
> You hint that a simple hardware solution for handling an audio stream
> from a windows PC would be "huge".  If you are really convinced of that
> then you should work on bringing such a product to market as it seems
> that the demand for such a product is actually quite small (I don't
> even get the impression that Apple is doing so well with airtunes).
> 
> Another option you have is simply to build a small dedicated PC with a
> very good soundcard and a network interface.  Connect it to the stereo
> system and then drive the PC desktop/interface of your choice remotely
> using something like the excellent freeware VNC.


OK so the squuezebox was originally designed for people who don't want
to use their computer directly for music.  I get that.  However for
someone who has a laptop that is supposed to be wireless, having to
plug it in to my stereo defeats the purpose of it.  I could use a
squeezebox for this accept that it's desktop functionality is tied to
it's limited browser functions.  I noted this is a previouse post on
this thread that I can't drag songs from J. River media player to the
slimserver.  Can't be done from a browser so it is limited in that
respect.  If the squeezebox could allow desktop players such as winamp
or J. River media center direct integration to it's hardware acting as
a sound card(so too speak) to that software, then I would be in heaven
and so would alot of other laptop users.

I am not trying to bag on the squeezebox.  It may seem that way for
people who use it here but Im just trying to say that it could extend
its functionality to a whole nother set of users and potential buyers.


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[slim] Re: fixed modified tags

2005-08-03 Thread Jack Coates

Jack Coates wrote:
I thought that browsing down to the file level was supposed to clean up 
a changed tag in the database? I've tried that, and tried a rescan 
without wipe. Is a wipe necessary to get it to re-read the tag?


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[slim] fixed modified tags

2005-08-03 Thread Jack Coates
I thought that browsing down to the file level was supposed to clean up 
a changed tag in the database? I've tried that, and tried a rescan 
without wipe. Is a wipe necessary to get it to re-read the tag?

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Re: [slim] out of memory! (was:Segmentation fault: Had to create DBI::_dbistate unexpectedly)

2005-08-03 Thread Bill Moseley
Well, the server started once.  I killed it and now I can't restart:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SlimServer_v6.1.1$ ./start.sh 
Out of memory!
Failed to start server -- no pid file 
(/home/moseley/SlimServer_v6.1.1/server.pid) found

I actually did the unthinkable and rebooted just to see if anything
was really odd.  There goes a year of uptime.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/SlimServer_v6.1.1$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:905892 253648 652244  0  12664 117048
-/+ buffers/cache: 123936 781956
Swap:   498004  0 498004


Here's my start script:

#!/bin/sh

CWD=$(pwd)
PIDFILE=$CWD/server.pid

./slimserver.pl --daemon \
--audiodir  $HOME/music \
--playlistdir   $HOME/playlists \
--logfile   $CWD/server.log \
--pidfile   $PIDFILE \
"$@"

if [ ! -e $PIDFILE ]; then
echo "Failed to start server -- no pid file ($PIDFILE) found"
exit 0;
fi

PID=$(cat $PIDFILE)
echo "Started with pid $PID"


RUNNING=$(pidof slimserver)
echo "running pid is $RUNNING"





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[slim] 404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone

2005-08-03 Thread Bill Moseley
Both in v6.1.1 and with svn I get

404 Not Found: browse.html - With Fishbone



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Re: [slim] Segmentation fault: Had to create DBI::_dbistate unexpectedly

2005-08-03 Thread Bill Moseley
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 02:45:13PM -0400, Jacob Potter wrote:
> On 8/2/05, Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > This is on Debian Sid and I have not updated any packages for a few
> > weeks (thank to summer) so I can't think of anything that's changed
> > lately.  But again, slimserver had been running for quite some time.
> > 
> 
> The same thing is happening to me. Just remove Slimserver's DBI.pm
> (under server/CPAN), so that it'll use your system's DBI module
> instead.

That works for v6.1.1.  With CVS still getting:

--- !perl/YAML::Error
code: YAML_PARSE_ERR_TEXT_AFTER_INDICATOR
msg: No text allowed after indicator
line: 326
document: 1
...
 at /home/moseley/slim_svn/server/Slim/Utils/Prefs.pm line 909

I tried moving YAML/ and YAML.pm, but didn't help.  Maybe it's a
problem with a yaml file?  But where?


Anyone know how to tell svn to not update DBI*?



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RE: [slim] Best Performance - recommendations? -- no, but I can tellyou what *isn't* working for me..

2005-08-03 Thread Matt Alioto
OK here goes..
Setup. 
2 SB2's wired and 1 SB1 wireless
Cisco AP-350
Dell 3024 Sw
Sun Enterprise 3000 - 6 250Mhz Ultra Sparc - 3 gig mem.
10 73 gig scsi Seagate barracuda 16meg cache, Soft Raid 5.
600gig MP3 store/250gigs Mp3 - 40,000 songs
perl 5.8.5
lame 3.96.1
Slimserver 7-31 nightly
Solaris 10
90% of hardware was "in stock" before I got into Slim.

Up til the 6.1 release the web interface was pretty slow and browsing
folders was also very painful especially when entering a directory with
a large number of subdirectories. However I had not had any problems
with drop outs with the exception of some wireless issues that were
taken care of.

With the latest releases the response from the SqueeezeBoxen is almost
instantaneous and the Web UI is also greatly accelerated.  Granted if I
go apesh*t with the remote it will eventually choke for a second or 5
but after that it goes back to normal and zips through the menus with
the exception of Playlist and maybe search but I can't say for sure
cause I don't use search.  I'm at work right now streaming from home at
64K, SSH'd to the server and FTPing a 215meg Mp3 to the same volume that
my MP3's are stored and it has only dropped once for a few
seconds(network issue). At work I'm on a single T-1 that is shared by
300 other people and at home I have a basic 384/1.5 DSL. At home I can't
remember ever having a drop out where the server was at fault.
I often sync all 3 players as well as playing different streams on each
player.  I also stream to work pretty much 24hours a day and its always
nice to come to work in the morning at hear that the music is still
playing day after day. Also faithful alarm clock. Except for that one
morning with the new release, playlist problem, now I make sure(at
night) that the alarm still works after upgrading. 


Process stats current
When just streaming to one player remotely (xmms) -> 1.1%
When streaming to one player with WebUI open 2-5%
When rescanning 15-20% - players are slow to respond but no drop outs.
LAME is at about 4-5% when streaming remotely.

   PID USERNAME  SIZE   RSS STATE  PRI NICE  TIME  CPU PROCESS/NLWP
 13097 root 4128K 3008K sleep   200   0:10:03 5.0% lame/1
 13106 wr4208928K 3320K sleep   430   0:02:42 2.8% sshd/1
 11058 root   76M   72M sleep   590  15:22:09 1.1%
slimserver.pl/1
 13107 wr4203288K 1976K sleep   590   0:00:16 0.3% sftp-server/1
 13136 wr4204768K 4440K cpu10   590   0:00:03 0.2% prstat/1
 13130 wr4208160K 2824K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% sshd/1
   461 root 8440K 3496K sleep   590   0:17:59 0.0% dtgreet/1
   416 root   12M 6904K sleep   590   0:16:55 0.0% Xsun/1
   105 root 4272K 2944K sleep   590   0:03:46 0.0% nscd/25
 10931 root 3632K 2120K sleep   590   0:01:05 0.0% nmbd/1
   182 root 2296K 1056K sleep  100-   0:05:53 0.0% xntpd/1
 7 root 8384K 1408K sleep   590   0:03:56 0.0% svc.startd/12
   380 root 1992K  192K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% smcboot/1
   322 root 3808K 2016K sleep   590   0:00:06 0.0% syslogd/13
   214 root 2120K  664K sleep   590   0:00:01 0.0% ttymon/1
99 root 2520K8K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% syseventd/15
   199 daemon   2584K  272K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% rpcbind/1
   109 daemon   4296K 1840K sleep   590   0:00:09 0.0% kcfd/3
   213 root 4992K  952K sleep   590   0:01:03 0.0% inetd/4
   215 root 2080K  144K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% ttymon/1
   202 daemon   2840K  272K sleep   590   0:00:00 0.0% statd/1
Total: 56 processes, 160 lwps, load averages: 0.41, 0.41, 0.40


> 
> Ah, a topic near to my heart.
> 
> I'm running a dual P3 800 mhz Linux box. 512 MB RAM. 750 GB RAID 5
array
> (4 x 250 GB drives, PATA), 3Ware 4-port RAID controller. I have about
> 300 GB of MP3s in the SlimServer library. 2 Slimp3s, 1 Squeezebox 1,
> although it's the Slimp3s getting active duty.
> 
> The server does some very light email chores and file serving, but its
> primary task is to run Slimserver. Which it struggles with. Which
still
> surprises the heck out of me.
> 
> Doing a search or active use of the web interface will often interrupt
> music playing. The web interface can take 10-20 seconds to respond or
> get to the next tab, although it's usually 2-5 seconds.
> 
> Until browsing was fixed in the 6.1.x releases, it could take 50
seconds
> to get from one directory to enclosed directories using the remote and
> display. Sometimes, the player display would actually blank out. Now,
> it's better, but each button press still takes .5 - 5 seconds to
> respond, usually .5-1.5 seconds. It's still aggravating, regardless.
> 
> I can't shake the feeling that if the server were multi-threaded that
> these problems would be completely absent. One thread to make sure the
> players didn't go dry, one to handle navigation via the remote, one to
> handle the web server, etc. Part of me keeps hoping SlimDevices has a
> master plan 

[slim] Re: Best Performance - recommendations?

2005-08-03 Thread radish

I don't know if I qualify as "large", but this is my current status:

Your music library contains 750 albums with 9298 songs by 3275 artists

That's mainly FLAC or Vorbis (a few mp3s) taking around 130GB total.
Slimserver (6.1.1) is running on XP Pro/SP2, on a 1.3GHz athlon with
512mb and Seagate Barracuda disks (no RAID, PATA). The box is pretty
much idle apart from SS. Performance when browsing is fine, the
occasional UI pause of less than a second (for instance when going into
Browse Artists) but I can live with that. Interruptions are rare (I'm
not sure I've seen once since upgrading the server) but to be honest I
don't really stretch it - we rarely use more than one player at a time.


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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread tgoldstone

Well it will be pretty easy to test the sleep timer and autodisplay on
my system. I will test it after I get home from work tonight.  The web
UI and powerOffBrightness control programming is almost done and should
hopefully be finished by this weekend...


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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread MeSue

To all: Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately, none of them worked.
Finally I just did a clean install and it worked the way it did before
— once! The second time it lit up after the sleep timer ended.
Arrrg! Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I'm quite sure that for
several days last week, the thing stayed off all night when I used the
sleep timer.

The only other thing I changed was that I went from 6.1.1 to 6.1.2 a
couple days ago. The reason was because when I would pause and resume,
playback would stop after the current track instead of going to the
next track. Maybe there was a change in this behavior from 6.1.1 to
6.1.2?


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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Steven Moore

Good to hear.

Steven Moore

On 3 Aug 2005, at 17:20, seanadams wrote:


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Re: [slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread Simon Still
maybe i've got a lot of crap sitting around from installing various
versions but i have a =[fishbone(2)] skin and various others such as
[moser(2)] which don't work properly.
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[slim] Re: Can I play songs not in my library?

2005-08-03 Thread cckanne

Hi.

I could fix my problem by temporarily creating a DB entry for the
ad-hoc files. I do not know whether this is good practice, but I did it
by calling Slim::Music::Info::setTitle/setBitrate for my local file URIs
from my plugin. After replaying the messages, I delete the entry. Seems
to work.

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Re: [slim] Best Performance - recommendations? -- no, but I can tell you what *isn't* working for me..

2005-08-03 Thread Stewart Loving-Gibbard

>>>The larger the music library gets, the worse the performance. It's
>>>getting to a stage where it really isn't good enough to run - when for
>>>example two people run searches on the music library, all three players
>>>will stall.

Ah, a topic near to my heart.

I'm running a dual P3 800 mhz Linux box. 512 MB RAM. 750 GB RAID 5 array 
(4 x 250 GB drives, PATA), 3Ware 4-port RAID controller. I have about 
300 GB of MP3s in the SlimServer library. 2 Slimp3s, 1 Squeezebox 1, 
although it's the Slimp3s getting active duty.


The server does some very light email chores and file serving, but its 
primary task is to run Slimserver. Which it struggles with. Which still 
surprises the heck out of me.


Doing a search or active use of the web interface will often interrupt 
music playing. The web interface can take 10-20 seconds to respond or 
get to the next tab, although it's usually 2-5 seconds.


Until browsing was fixed in the 6.1.x releases, it could take 50 seconds
to get from one directory to enclosed directories using the remote and 
display. Sometimes, the player display would actually blank out. Now, 
it's better, but each button press still takes .5 - 5 seconds to 
respond, usually .5-1.5 seconds. It's still aggravating, regardless.


I can't shake the feeling that if the server were multi-threaded that 
these problems would be completely absent. One thread to make sure the 
players didn't go dry, one to handle navigation via the remote, one to 
handle the web server, etc. Part of me keeps hoping SlimDevices has a 
master plan to fix all this. Python, Java? A tidy C++ core maybe? I'm 
not holding my breath.


In the meantime, I'm going to throw an absurd amount of hardware at this 
problem. I'm putting together a dual Xeon 3ghz server, likely with a 
Areca SATA RAID 5. (The performance of the 3ware RAID cards has always 
been underwhelming, Perl proc hogs aside. The Areca/Tekrams I have 
running elsewhere seem far, far better.)


I'd be curious if anyone out there with a "large" library (I'll let you 
define what that means) is getting good or even snappy performance with 
their setup? Care to brag?


Stew

Mitch Harding wrote:

If disk IO is the limiting factor, I'd consider a RAID array.  With
drive prices, RAID 5 is affordable and gives you both improved disk
access times plus data security.

On 7/29/05, Jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


thomas wrote:


Hello,

I have two original Slimp3s and one of the second generation wired
players. All three run from one Slimp3 server. The server has about
60GB of music. Often, there is more than one person viewing the web
interface. The players are only ever controlled from the web interface,
nobody has access to the hardware players or remotes.

The larger the music library gets, the worse the performance. It's
getting to a stage where it really isn't good enough to run - when for
example two people run searches on the music library, all three players
will stall.

I know the server is designed with single users in mind, but there must
be a way of increasing performance. Originally I ran the server on a
Windows box, but have found performance slightly better when running on
Mac OS X. The Mac box I have is only a dual-1Ghz G4.

What hardware and OS is recommended for best performance? I don't mind
spending some money on getting it right, but am reluctant to unless I
have a pretty good idea of what sort of improvement I can expect and
what hardware and OS is likely to perform best.


Unless you're transcoding on-the-fly, I'd look first at the hard drive
speed and RAM. I suspect since you're using a somewhat older Mac (early
2002, yes?), that the drive isn't all it can be. The stock 512MB of RAM
that came with the dual processor units should be enough, though PC133
isn't screaming fast.

Western Digital, and others, have IDE drives with integrated 8MB caches.
They're affordable and perform very well compared to a 2MB cache version.

Personally, I use Linux (Fedora Core 1) to host SlimServer and three
players. My library is pretty "medium" in size, 3,000 songs at ~11GB.
2.4GHz Celeron with 512MB RAM and one of the WD 8MB drives, cost me
about $300.

Jim

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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Philip Meyer
>-- Financially?  Well, they just lowered the price on their fairly-new
>Squeezebox2.  There are plenty of possibilities for this, a few being: 
>
Another possible reason is perhaps there's a new model on the way, which they 
want to price similar to the original SB2 price.

Pure speculation, of course!

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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread tgoldstone

MeSue Wrote: 
> The worst is that the sleep timer no longer works like it did before I
> installed AutoDisplay. I used to set the sleep timer, manually turn the
> brightness off, and it would stay dark until I manually turned
> brightness up. Now as soon as the sleep timer ends the display comes
> back on and wakes me up. Yes, even after deleting the plugin!
> 
> Please… How do I completely eliminate it? I am literally losing sleep
> over this.

I don't believe that the autodisplay would alter any other brightness
behavior.  The only thing that it does is essentially press the
brightness button for you until the brightness is set to 0.  Without
looking at the code for the sleep timer I would guess that it always
reset the brightness setting after it triggered.


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Re: [slim] Re: SB2 Remote control clashing

2005-08-03 Thread Daryle A. Tilroe

Dave Edwards wrote:


Daryle,

I couldn't agree more - the lack of JVC codes is causing big problems
when controlling my home entertainment system.
...
trick. I would really like to see this fixed quickly, as I didn't expect
a step backwards in this area when I bought my otherwise excellent SB2.


My feelings exactly.  Having a working feature broken, particularly one
that I used all the time, is very frustrating.  Want to split the costs
on kidnapping Sean and forcing him to fix it? ;-)

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[slim] Re: SB2 Remote control clashing

2005-08-03 Thread Dave Edwards

Daryle,

I couldn't agree more - the lack of JVC codes is causing big problems
when controlling my home entertainment system.

No discrete power commands means that I now have to press numerous
buttons on my Pronto to turn all my devices on / off. The default.map
workaround only works when the server is active.

Previously, one press of the global on / global off button would do the
trick. I would really like to see this fixed quickly, as I didn't expect
a step backwards in this area when I bought my otherwise excellent SB2.

Dave


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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Todd Fields
--- T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Trust me, toys are more important for the parents than the
> baby.

So true.  Our toys may be more expensive but at least we don't
outgrow them in two months 





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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Jim Dibb
Actually, I fully agree.

On 8/3/05, T <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Or in this case maybe 10 or 20 less toys for the baby. :)
> 
> Trust me, toys are more important for the parents than the baby.
> 
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[slim] Re: The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!

2005-08-03 Thread jmpage2

Interesting that this has come up (I'm late to the party).  I've often
thought that something like this would be handy, the ability to quickly
modify the now playing list after auditioning a track.


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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread fcm4711

Hi MeSue

> It shouldn't matter what that setting is because I have brightness
adjustment set to manually adjust instead of automatic.

That's not entirely true (as far as I know). The 'brightness when off'
setting is still used when a player is turned off.

You can try that yourself. Turn your player off and then using the web
interface change the settings for 'brightness when off'. You will see
the changes on your player. But if you change the settings for
'brightness when on' you won't see a change until you turn your player
on.

If this doesn't help - Try the 'Forget this player' option.

Felix


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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread T

Or in this case maybe 10 or 20 less toys for the baby. :)


Trust me, toys are more important for the parents than the baby.

Tom


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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Jim Dibb
Or in this case maybe 10 or 20 less toys for the baby. :)
(Just had my second 10 wks. ago).

On 8/3/05, Todd Fields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I know how you feel.  Ever since they reduced the wired SG2 to
> $199 and sent the $20 coupon in the mail I've had to do
> everything I can to restrain myself from buying one because my
> wife would kill me.  (New baby on the way so I guess every new
> toy I buy for myself is one less new toy for the baby.)
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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread jmpage2

datdude Wrote: 
> Oh I understand. I think you don't realise my situation then.  Yes the
> squeezebox is a hardware mediaplayer but it is tied to its
> limited(browser) software mediaplayer.  I'll let me previous posts
> stand as why the squeezebox 'could' be usefull in a completely
> different way!  Apple sees this but there needs to be a better solution
> on windows.

How is it that the Squeezebox is limited to a browser?  Many folks
drive it with the IR remote control (no computer at all needed). 
Another option that has been pointed out is that you can use a
PDA/phone as an interface for driving it.  I would say that the fact
that a dedicated PC not being required for control is in fact a major
selling point of devices like Squeezebox.

It sounds like what you are after is something that will simply
transport the audio stream from your laptop music application of choice
to your stereo.  If that's what you are after then the SB is probably
not for you (as it seems you are married to the interface software you
use for your music collection).

The only real options would be some patch cords or a wireless X11 type
device.  The fidelity for any of these options (including apple
airtunes) is probably quite mediocre, this is an area in which SB2
excels (deliverying very high quality audio reproduction from the host
server FLAC or MP3 audio files).

You hint that a simple hardware solution for handling an audio stream
from a windows PC would be "huge".  If you are really convinced of that
then you should work on bringing such a product to market as it seems
that the demand for such things is small.

Another option you have is simply to build a small dedicated PC with a
very good soundcard and a network interface.  Connect it to the stereo
system and then drive the PC desktop/interface of your choice remotely
using something like the excellent freeware VNC.


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Re: [slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Todd Fields
--- m1abrams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I will be purchasing as many as the wife will allow, however
> that right
> now is just one :(

I know how you feel.  Ever since they reduced the wired SG2 to
$199 and sent the $20 coupon in the mail I've had to do
everything I can to restrain myself from buying one because my
wife would kill me.  (New baby on the way so I guess every new
toy I buy for myself is one less new toy for the baby.)

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Re: [slim] Podcast PlugIn {was} Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread ron thigpen

kdf wrote:

Quoting ron thigpen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Downloads a local copy of the RSS enclosure (audio file)


well, not being a podcast listener, I'm not 100% certain.  However, I believe
all are right except the above.  The enclosures are certainly cached, but I'm
not sure what the extent of 'local copy' it creates.  I haven't noticed any
specific code to store as a local copy for later, or for use as sources for
other devices.


Interesting.  The way I see it, there are basically two modes that SS 
might use in support of podcasts:


1) Interactive with Remotely Hosted Content: (Remote Hosted)

Works basically as I described.  Keeps only podcast URLs, allows 
browsing of content as described by RSS hosted at those URLs, works by 
streaming audio data to the player either directly or through a cache on 
the server.


2) Review of Locally Cached Content: (Local Copy)

Some s/w (could be SS but maybe/probably something else) provides most 
of the standard podcast functionality: browsing available podcasts, 
keeping lists of chosen podcasts, scheduled and interactive content 
fetching, library maintenance of fetched content, etc.  SS content 
playback works much like it does for any other media file on the server: 
scan directory/filename/tags for metadata, present browse/search UI for 
SB and web, do playback.


The Remote Hosted method is good for instant gratification playback of 
available content that is live at the moment.  Metadata issues are 
solved by just using the RSS data.  No library issues.  Working now.  Slick.


The Local Copy method is good in that it works on a model familiar to 
portable device podcast listeners: schedule content pickups and the 
content, newer and older, becomes available on your device.  And for 
content that isn't as time sensitive (ex: jazz radio vs. today's 
headlines) Local Copy gives more flexibility in when you listen.  It 
also makes the files available for computer and portable playback and 
leverages existing content for non-iTunes users.  It may also be kinder 
to the hosting parties as well, as most of these are likely using simple 
HTTP servers and not streaming servers.


When I first started thinking about this, I was definitely in a Local 
Copy mindset.  Just an artifact of understanding the plumbing in RSS, 
that I'm already using standalone podcast software, and being something 
of a content packrat.


Two different operating modes that offer different benefits.

I guess the questions are:

Which design do folks prefer?
How to best support each of these in backend and UI?
If both modes are supported is there a way to unify the UI?

Some users may not know or care if there is a local copy.  Others will 
want to avoid a scheduled download, listen to half of a program on the 
SB, then copy it onto a portable to finish on the go.  It would be very 
cool if these various modes were supported and well integrated.


For instance, how cool would it be if the Podcast PlugIn cached a copy 
of the content and added it to the library, then exposed it in the UI 
organized under Podcasts --> StreamName --> ProgramTitle/Date.


And if SS was picking up other Local Copy podcast media and 
differentiating them on scan, then a unified display suddenly becomes 
very possible.


I'm thinking I'll play with the Podcast PlugIn for a bit and share my 
reactions with all this in mind.  I'll also look into how well SS is 
dealing with Podcast enclosures that I've just been dumping into a 
subdirectory of the SS music folder.  Some have been showing up, but 
I'll want to check their tagging vs. how they show up in the SS UI, 
consistency of tagging between podcast providers, etc.  Should be 
interesting.


Maybe someone else will post more on the PlugIn and the how the iTunes 
integration is working for them.


Cheers,

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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread MeSue

>>you can set the brightness adjustments to manual only. That should
disable any automatic changes, such as when the screensaver engages.<<

Yes, that's exactly what I have it on. And it worked before installing
this plugin but doesn't work now, even though I've deleted the plugin.

>>If the plugin isn't listed in the Server Settings page anymore then
it is successfully removed.<<

Then it is removed, but it must have permanently altered something so
that manual brightness no longer works properly.

>>What is your brightness setting when the player is turned off? It
should be set to 0.<<

It shouldn't matter what that setting is because I have brightness
adjustment set to manually adjust instead of automatic.

I'll probably just do another clean install.


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[slim] SqueezeBox G Anomaly

2005-08-03 Thread Roy Owen
I have just encountered an interesting anomaly on my SBG.  Firstly
I've created an SSH tunnel work to my Slimserver pc at home.  If I
actually run Slimserver on work PC the display on my SBG is fine. 
However if I stop the SlimServer and start the SSH tunnel the left most
column of pixels has some pixels that are "inverted".  In other
words when the display is supposed blank they are lit and if the
display is lit they are dark.  If I reboot the SBG everything is
fine until I stop the tunnel and re-establish it.  It is always
the same group of six pixels,and in the same pattern.  I'm
assuming that some extraneous data is being sent to the SBG.  Any
ideas, and is it going to harm my beloved SBG?

Thanks,
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Re: [slim] Podcast PlugIn {was} Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting ron thigpen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


> Downloads a local copy of the RSS enclosure (audio file)

well, not being a podcast listener, I'm not 100% certain.  However, I believe
all are right except the above.  The enclosures are certainly cached, but I'm
not sure what the extent of 'local copy' it creates.  I haven't noticed any
specific code to store as a local copy for later, or for use as sources for
other devices.

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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Fifer

> I'm sure our friends in the UK can elaborate (or correct me), but in the
> UK all companies, public or private, must be registered at Companies
> House, and submit financial statements. Those statements are available
> to the public. I used to enjoy reading the financial statements for all
> the F1 teams.
Not really true. Public companies and private limited companies do.
Private unlimited companies, of which there are many, only have to
share their accounts with the Inland Revenue and Customs & Excise
AFAIAA.


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[slim] Podcast PlugIn {was} Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread ron thigpen

kdf wrote:

> Slimserver also includes a podcast browser, which you can point to your
> favourite broadcasts.

I haven't messed around with this but am a bit unclear on how this 
works.  Please correct what's wrong in the following:


The SS/SB Podcast Plugin:

Allows management of Favorite Podcast (RSS URL) Lists

Browses the podcast URLs and then presents the RSS/XML contained 
metadata in the SB UI.


Allows selection of individual podcasts thru the SB UI.

Downloads a local copy of the RSS enclosure (audio file)

Plays this back.

Is this right?

--rt

Once selected

> ITunes podcasts are presented as a special
> playlist in slimserver, directly accessible via the web interface and 
through

> 'browse music' in the player interface.
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Re: [slim] Re: Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread ron thigpen

radish wrote:

Of course you could always go for a portable player which isn't as
restricted as the ipod and plays open formats like FLAC out of the box.


yep.  and for my next h/w rev i'll be looking at exactly that.

of course other features (in-car integration, photo pod, etc.) might 
prove to be worth dealing with this issue.


and then there's the fact that FLAC might not be a great portable 
format.  files are large.  and probably larger than they need to be 
given how portables are used:  sub-audiophile earphones, noisy 
environments, etc.  and large files affect battery life as they involve 
more disk spinning.  so that's a trade-off.


we'll see.

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[slim] Re: Lots of 'No Artist - No Album' entries appeared

2005-08-03 Thread adhawkins

This isn't due to untagged files. This (appears) to be due to a 'dummy'
file that's a result of the .cue file being created for a single CD
FLAC (that is correctly tagged, and shows up correctly in the list of
tracks / artists / albums).

Andy


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Re: [slim] Re: Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread Jacob Potter
On 8/3/05, radish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course you could always go for a portable player which isn't as
> restricted as the ipod and plays open formats like FLAC out of the box.

To be fair, almost none of the current players do play FLAC. The iPod
isn't exactly "restricted".


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Re: [slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting MeSue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>

> Please… How do I completely eliminate it? I am literally losing sleep
> over this.

check player settings->display

you can set the brightness adjustments to manual only. That should disable any
automatic changes, such as when the screensaver engages.

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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread fcm4711

Hi MeSue

Sorry to hear my plugin doesn't let you sleep.

Deleting the plugin should be enough to eliminate it. Are you sure you
deleted all copies of it? Also renaming it is not good enough. I once
had a plugin renamed and installing a new copy gave me very strange
results.

If the plugin isn't listed in the Server Settings page anymore then it
is successfully removed.

There are three brightness settings per player for on, off and idle.
What is your brightness setting when the player is turned off? It
should be set to 0.

Felix


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[slim] Re: Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread radish

Of course you could always go for a portable player which isn't as
restricted as the ipod and plays open formats like FLAC out of the box.


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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread JayNYC

Sean, thank you.


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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread m1abrams

I would also like to add.

Slimdevices has been a pretty standup company for the consumer.

One revision to the hardware was an upgrade to the VFD display to give
it graphical abilities.  They did NOT have to offer to current owners
an upgrade path to the better display, but DID and even gave us a
rebate if we shipped back the old display.  Not many companies would
touch that level of support and upgrade.

They show through action that they truly want their customers to be
happy with the product they bought.  And want you to buy more :)

I will be purchasing as many as the wife will allow, however that right
now is just one :(


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Re: [slim] Re: Squeezebox/Slim Server Mismatch

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Could anyone tell me if the 'Use MusicMagic' setting on the Server
> Settings page is necessary to be able to generate MM mixes from the
> Squeezebox as I thought this was controlled through the Plugins
> section, the MM logo on my player has disappeared now this setting is
> disabled.

It is absolutely required.  If you are not 'using' musicmagic, then there is
simply no facility to generate teh mixes triggered by the MM links. What is
controlled via the plugins section is the enable or disable. Disabling is an
optimisation. If you know you dont have musicmagic, you can disable
specifically and prevent the server from asting 5 seconds to check, or waste a
section of the plugins page to show the musicmagic port setting.

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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread seanadams

I am happy to comment on some not-really-secret details for those who
are curious, but first:  THIS IS NOT AN OFFER TO BUY OR SELL
SECURITIES. AS A MATTER OF POLICY AND LAW WE DO NOT DISCUSS INVESTMENT
OPPORTUNITIES PUBLICLY. FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY IF YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS.

Some info:

- Slim Devices is a five year old, privately held, California C corp
headquartered in Mountain View, CA.

- We have not raised venture capital, only relatively small tranches of
"angel money" from customers and friends (accredited investors per
SEC).

- The founders are in control of the company now and for the forseeable
future.

- We are in great shape, and we've been in this market longer than
anyone. As others have pointed out, you don't otherwise get to your
fourth hardware revision.

- We are not disappearing any time soon. 


I hope that answers most of the questions. This is the extent of what
I'm comfortable sharing publicly.


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Re: [slim] Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread ron thigpen

mgerbasio wrote:

After a lot of thought and delay between XM and an ipod I decided the
ipod would be better for me. I know nothing about itunes and don't plan
to buy music online, but I do want to use the podcasts. My entire music
collection is in flac. 


I've done a lot of reading on this forum but I'm still lost. What type
of integration is possible between the slimserver software, itunes and
flac encoded files? It looks like I need to transcode to mp3, I'm in
the process of doing it now, and point itunes to the mp3 files and keep
the slimserver pointed to the flac files. Basically I'd be looking at
keeping two separate music folders, one mp3 and one flac without
sharing anything between the two. Is that correct?

What about podcasts, how can I listen to those on my squeezebox? Is
there anything that I'm missing about integrating slimserver and
itunes? Would I have gained anything if I went with Apple Loosless over
flac; doubt I would since I wanted a open codec.


OK. One thing at a time.

FLAC: As you note, FLAC won't play back directly on the iPod.  You'll 
need to transcode to something that will, most likely MP3.  You can do 
this in a bulk process ahead of time, or on-the-fly as you transfer 
files to the iPod (using something like Anapod + plugin).   On-the-fly 
will require new software, and _much_ more time to load files.  On the 
other hand, it will save storage space.


iPod Software: You'll need software to manage the contents of your iPod. 
  Options here include iTunes, ephPod and Anapod, and perhaps others.


iTunes is free and highly featured.  It does the iTunesMusicStore thing, 
which you may or may not like (requires conversion to use iTMS content 
w/SB).  It does the podCasting thing, but there are other options for 
this as well.  It's kind of bulky and wants to do everything for you, 
most of it not directly iPod related: console music player, ripper, 
encoder, library management, etc.  There is an iTunes-to-Slimserver 
integration, but if you are splitting your library for MP3 and FLAC I 
don't think you'll want to use it.  You would have to load up both FLAC 
and MP3 in iTunes and then deal with the mixed format library in both 
interfaces.


EphPod: Free.  Basic iPod management.  Does the two-way copy thing. 
Does everything I need.


Anapod:  Windows integrated interfaces.  On-the-fly transcoding support. 
 $25.  Probably worth it if you like these features.


Podcasts:  Plenty of third party software, some quite good that allows 
you to browse and pick podcasts, schedule and manage downloads, and 
mangage the resulting nest of files.


For SS/SB integration, just put the podcast files themselves in the 
music path that SB sees.  You'll pick them up on scanning.  Library 
entries are as good as the tags on the files.


For iPod integration, upload/sync to iPod as usual.  The only real rough 
spot is tagging.  Metadata for podcasts is generally in the XML of the 
feed, with audio file tagging optional and spotty.  You may need to 
insert a manual step here to tag the downloads.  I use iPodder, and it 
seems to work OK for most feeds.  It may be tagging on the fly for me 
from the XML metadata, probably not, haven't checked.  Some feeds are 
showing up in my New Music lists, with correct metadata.  Not sure what 
iTunes does.  Hopefully a standard tagging scheme will emerge.


It might be cool if SS recognized a podcast directory distinctly from 
the music directory.  This would allow a few good usability points. 
Scanning could occur more often for just this directory as it should be 
smaller and new stuff is expected more often.  Scans could add a little 
metadata flag to the SS database indicating that these are podcasts. 
Which would in turn make it possible for the SB and web UI to allow for 
independent browsing of just these files.


If you don't mind the roughness in the Podcasting area, my 
recommendation for you would be to maintain a library with a format 
split, point SS to the FLAC and your iPod s/w to the MP3.  Use some 
other podcasting software to manage those feeds and pull in content to 
the SS and iPod.


If you like iTunes and it works smoothly for your podcasting needs then 
you might want to use that for the iPod side of the house and just don't 
turn on the SS/iTunes integration.


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RE: [slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread Matt Alioto
RE: [slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

Have you tried the pill or a contraceptive jelly.
Sorry couldn't resist.
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[slim] Re: Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread Patrick Dixon

The one that works with the AlienBBC page?


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Re: [slim] Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting mgerbasio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


>  What type
> of integration is possible between the slimserver software, itunes and
> flac encoded files? It looks like I need to transcode to mp3, I'm in

> What about podcasts, how can I listen to those on my squeezebox? Is


Itunes does not understand flac, Squeezebox 2 and slimserver does. Squeezebox
will transcode to wav for playback, but SB2 will play flac natively. 
Slimserver also includes a podcast browser, which you can point to your
favourite broadcasts.  iTunes integration allows you to load metadata about
your tracks into slimserver.  Since you have entirely FLAC files, this part is
useless to you.  As is the loading of playlists, which you will not be able to
create in iTunes, since it doesn't (and probably will never, thanks to their
'open' minds) understand flac.  ITunes podcasts are presented as a special
playlist in slimserver, directly accessible via the web interface and through
'browse music' in the player interface.

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Re: [slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting Simon Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> when i try Fishbone2, for example, i dont seem to have graphics for
> any of the buttons in the player or to select tracks.

what, exactly, is fishbone2?

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Re: [slim] Re: Modified Fishbone Skins

2005-08-03 Thread kdf
Quoting Patrick Dixon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> Just trying the fawn version of the modified skin and it looks like the
> AlienBBC page doesn't get the same style.
>
> This is on 2005-08-02 nightly.

That's up to alienbbc, since the plugins provide the templates. the plugin needs
to call teh standard page header, or provide its own links to teh new
stylesheets.

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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Bruce Hartley

This is true, all "Limited" companies have to submit basic accounting
statements to companies house.


http://www.companieshouse.co.uk/

These are then publicy available.


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[slim] Re: Feature request: Brightness timer

2005-08-03 Thread MeSue

Me again. Since finding the problem with the sleep timer, I have tried
removing this plugin, but no matter what I do, it still overrides my
manual brightness adjustments. I tried unchecking the box for the
plugin in the Server Settings page. Didn't work. Then I re-enabled the
plug-in, made sure it was set to off, and then disabled it. Didn't
work. Finally, I deleted the AudoDisplay.pm file from the plugins
folder and restarted SlimServer. Still, it messes with my brightness
settings! The worst is that the sleep timer no longer works like it did
before I installed AutoDisplay. I used to set the sleep timer, manually
turn the brightness off, and it would stay dark until I manually turned
brightness up. Now as soon as the sleep timer ends the display comes
back on and wakes me up. Yes, even after deleting the plugin!

Please… How do I completely eliminate it? I am literally losing sleep
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[slim] Re: CDs with 'hidden' tracks - suggestion

2005-08-03 Thread Jeff52

bflatmajor Wrote: 
> I'm just now starting to deal with this issue also. What I've done is to
> create a .wav file within EAC, then edit that file using eac to remove
> everything except the hidden track. So far, it works. 
> 
> 
> B

To save the step of having to edit the .wav file, you could use the EAC
feature Action - Copy Range to rip that portion of the track which
contains audio.


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[slim] Re: Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread m1abrams

Actually the latest versions of slimserver has a PodCast plugin, I have
not used it much but it may work for you.

I personally like iPods, however hate iTunes.  This may be an option
for you,if you are using windows..
http://www.redchairsoftware.com/anapod/


Since you are using FLAC, then you probably do not want to integrate
iTunes with Slimserver.  I have never used iTunes integration so am not
sure what it provides.

Also on Podcasts, I hate the name they gave them because it implies you
need an iPod to use them (not true).  Their are many apps out there for
getting podcasts beyond iTunes, iTunes just integrates nicely with your
iPod.


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[slim] Totally confused about iTunes with SlimServer

2005-08-03 Thread mgerbasio

Hi,
I've been using the squeezebox (I & II) without a problem, the server
(v6.1) running on Linux and I use the Linux machine to run the server
and store the music files. Absolutely one of the best toys I've ever
bought. 

After a lot of thought and delay between XM and an ipod I decided the
ipod would be better for me. I know nothing about itunes and don't plan
to buy music online, but I do want to use the podcasts. My entire music
collection is in flac. 

I've done a lot of reading on this forum but I'm still lost. What type
of integration is possible between the slimserver software, itunes and
flac encoded files? It looks like I need to transcode to mp3, I'm in
the process of doing it now, and point itunes to the mp3 files and keep
the slimserver pointed to the flac files. Basically I'd be looking at
keeping two separate music folders, one mp3 and one flac without
sharing anything between the two. Is that correct?

What about podcasts, how can I listen to those on my squeezebox? Is
there anything that I'm missing about integrating slimserver and
itunes? Would I have gained anything if I went with Apple Loosless over
flac; doubt I would since I wanted a open codec.

Thanks.
Regards-Michael G.


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[slim] Re: CDs with 'hidden' tracks - suggestion

2005-08-03 Thread bflatmajor

I'm just now starting to deal with this issue also. What I've done is to
create a .wav file within EAC, then edit that file using eac to remove
everything except the hidden track. So far, it works. 


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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread superbad

OT

I'm sure our friends in the UK can elaborate (or correct me), but in
the UK all companies, public or private, must be registered at
Companies House, and submit financial statements. Those statements are
available to the public. I used to enjoy reading the financial
statements for all the F1 teams.

I like the openness of that system.


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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread oreillymj

I notice that the orignal poster has not been back to give any reason
for their request. Unless he/she can give a legitimate reason for
requesting this info, I think this thread should be ignored.

It seems to just be a way of creating FUD.


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[slim] Solutions needed for party/jukebox

2005-08-03 Thread chris

Hi there,

I've scratched my head about this a few times, and was wondering if
anyone had any ideas.

I like to use my SB at parties - it's great to give control of the
music to your guests without they mixing cd's/cases up, and generally
abusing your valuable music. Setting long playlists and acting like a
free jukebox is fantasic.

My problem is that navigation with the remote isn't simple for someone
not used to the server (too easy to stop what's currently playing, or
erase the current playlist).

My workaround has been to use the 'touch' skin on a laptop - but it's
not ideal (as I don't have a touch screen!).

The ideal solution for me would be a small application that did simple
things very well - pause, skip track, previous track and allowed people
to search easily by artist/track and add to the current playlist.
Nothing more required - and no ability to screw around with settings,
erase the playlist etc.

What's everyone elses take on this? How do you manage? Perhaps all your
friends already have SBs :)

Thanks,
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[slim] Re: Modified Fishbone Skins

2005-08-03 Thread Patrick Dixon

Just trying the fawn version of the modified skin and it looks like the
AlienBBC page doesn't get the same style.

This is on 2005-08-02 nightly.


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[slim] Re: Squeezebox/Slim Server Mismatch

2005-08-03 Thread Guy

I've been trying lots of different stuff and I have made a bit of
progress.  After the hard reset the Squeezebox is displaying what I
would expect and appears to be agreeing with the Slim Server.  If I
browse by album or by artist then everything appears to be fine.  If I
browse by genre then Röyksopp is listed twice.  The last thing I tried
was to turn off the 'Use MusicMagic' setting on the Server Settings
page this has solved the problem completely.  SO if MusicMagic is used
for genre and title inforamtion it seems to cause duplicate database
entries.

Could anyone tell me if the 'Use MusicMagic' setting on the Server
Settings page is necessary to be able to generate MM mixes from the
Squeezebox as I thought this was controlled through the Plugins
section, the MM logo on my player has disappeared now this setting is
disabled.


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[slim] Re: Where can I buy a Squeezebox locally?

2005-08-03 Thread m1abrams

datdude Wrote: 
> Oh I understand. I think you don't realise my situation then.  Yes the
> squeezebox is a hardware mediaplayer but it is tied to its
> limited(browser) software mediaplayer.  I'll let me previous posts
> stand as why the squeezebox 'could' be usefull in a completely
> different way!  Apple sees this but there needs to be a better solution
> on windows.

No it is not tied to the "limited browser" (which by the way a browser
based interface has capabilities beyond what a dedicated client app
could have).  Example, any PDA that has a network becomes a rather nice
Graphically remote control for your Squeezebox with only the use of a
skin (no extra coding needed).

But the point is when I am using my Squeezebox and I imagine most other
people here, I never even use the browser software.  I occasionally use
my PDA with the browser, but for the most part I do not have a need for
that.

Also have you tested the "limited" browser portion of the Slimserver?


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[slim] Other Squeezebox Forum Discussions

2005-08-03 Thread Dave D

There's an active Squeezebox2 thread over at av123 if anyone wants to
chime in.  Seems like the recent discussion is about how convenient (or
not) it is to browse or search music folders.

http://forum.av123.com/showthread.php?threadid=9445

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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Dave D

whizkid Wrote: 
> Most companies, public or private, give some sense of their company and
> market strength. Perception is too often not reality in the tech biz.

"Most companies?"  Please name some examples of small private companies
who have posted financials, or any REAL information about their
financial state which can be proven to be truthful. Slim Devices has no
obligation whatsoever to divulge *anything* about their financial state
to *anyone* but their own private investors.  (And you know what?  I
hope they don't!  I sure wouldn't, and never on a forum.)

whizkid Wrote: 
> As for "if they drop dead tomorrow you still have a functioning system".
> True, but for how long? Right up until the next standard or needed
> feature requrires hardware/firmware changes and at that very moment you
> become stranded.

They could close their doors right now.  I'll have a functioning
system, which does everything I want to do, until the hardware dies or
until Slimserver stops functioning with Windows XP (or whatever comes
later).  I can write some Perl and I have tons of folks around in this
forum, willing to help me figure it out.  I'm willing to bet I would
not be "stranded" for years, even with no other products to choose
from.  And judging from the fact that a co-worker has had a SliMP3 for
several years and has only recently upgraded Slimserver in that time,
I'm not too worried.

I don't know why I'm even replying to this silly thread.


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[slim] Re-scan problems

2005-08-03 Thread spieler

Since I upgraded to slimserver 6.1.1 I have problems with scanning on
both re-scan and clear library and re-scan. I have only 500 albums and
about 5300 tracks but it takes at least 45 - 60 mins to scan compared
with around 15-20 on earlier versions.

My squeezebox is hard-wired to the router and never loses contact with
the slimserver in normal use. However when scanning it constantly loses
contact and it is impossible to scan and play at the same time. Even
when not playing it still loses contact constantly. 

When I look in task manager slimserver cycles rapidly between 60% and
97% CPU usage when playing and scanning and 60 and 85% when just
scanning. I have tried disabling the plugins I added in case it made a
difference but it doesn't.

It is a basic Dell windows box with a Celeron 2.6 processor and 256mb
Ram. Any ideas? Can anyone help me set up debugging so I can provide
more info?

Cheers
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Re: [slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread Jacob Potter
It's been my experience that switching skins isn't as reliable as it
could be. Try doing a shift-reload in your browser after changing the
setting, or  loading the skin directly with
http://:9000/SkinName/.

They're all maintained when changes happen to the interface. I believe
the only ones with any substantial recent development are Fishbone,
ExBrowse2, and Default2 (the latter two are mine). The *2 skins have
reliability problems sometimes, which I'm working on, but when they
work they're pretty awesome if I do say so myself. :)

Are there any particular skins that are outright broken?

- Jacob

On 8/3/05, Simon Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only skins i've used are Fishbone and the default.  There's a big
> list of skins in the latest slimserver release (i don't use betas or
> nightlies) but it appears quite a few of them don't work properly -
> when i try Fishbone2, for example, i dont seem to have graphics for
> any of the buttons in the player or to select tracks.
> 
> If these skins aren't working they should be removed from a release -
> this is meant to be a consumer product which means in production
> software functionality should work or not be there.
> 
> Personally I'd like to see some work on Fishbone (which i think is
> underway).  Bigger buttons to select tracks and 'striping' to improve
> readability in the the lefthand pane.  Many of the other skins now
> seem superfluous - does anyone here use anything other than default,
> handheld or Fishbone?
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RE: [slim] CDs with 'hidden' tracks - suggestion

2005-08-03 Thread Craig, James (IT)
On CDs like this I have used MP3Cut to split the tracks into 2 separate
MP3s

OK, it's not the 'original CD experience' but neither is skipping the
silence...

James


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[slim] CDs with 'hidden' tracks - suggestion

2005-08-03 Thread GrahameP

Hi,

Only got my SB2 this week, but very impressed so far.

One option I would like to see (if feasible) is the ability to skip
over more than 10 seconds (configurable) of silence in a track to
remove the huge amounts of silence used to 'hide' an extra song at the
end of the last track in many albums.  The idea would be that if during
the track there was a period of silence exceeding the configured limit
then the server would scan forward to the next non-silence portion of
the track and stream from there, or the next track if nothing found.

Cheers,
Grahame.


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RE: [slim] Lots of 'No Artist - No Album' entries appeared

2005-08-03 Thread Dan Goodinson
My library also has a single track with no artist and no album track.
It's due to the inclusion of a windows media format file that is part of
my GF's music collection.  So far as I know, there isn't a way to tag
this format.

I'd also suspect that there is no way to tag .wav files, either.  If
there are no tags, then (I believe) SS will not be able to provide
information such as artist/album or whatever.

If you don't want to have this stuff showing up in your library, you can
probably configure SS to ignore any track with a .wav extension.  If you
did this, then wiped the cache and re-scanned, SS will not include .wav
files and it should clear the problem.  The downside is that it will not
include ANY wav files - none AT ALL.  So if you require SB to actually
play the wav files (which it looks like you might, based on your
description), then I don't think there would be a way round it.

As far as I can tell, it is normal to have tracks listed in this way if
the music format does not support tagging (such as with .wav).

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Subject: [slim] Lots of 'No Artist - No Album' entries appeared


I've recently noticed that I have a lot of tracks with 'No Artist' and
'No Album'. If I look at one of these tracks, it's relating to a file
called 'dummy.wav' in the directory where I have FLAC files stored (1
FLAC file per album).

In these directories, I now have files called flacname.cue, and these
refer to a file called dummy.wav

Can anyone tell me if this is expected behaviour, or a bug?

Thanks

Andy

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[slim] Skins - many don't seem to work.

2005-08-03 Thread Simon Still
The only skins i've used are Fishbone and the default.  There's a big
list of skins in the latest slimserver release (i don't use betas or
nightlies) but it appears quite a few of them don't work properly -
when i try Fishbone2, for example, i dont seem to have graphics for
any of the buttons in the player or to select tracks.

If these skins aren't working they should be removed from a release -
this is meant to be a consumer product which means in production
software functionality should work or not be there.

Personally I'd like to see some work on Fishbone (which i think is
underway).  Bigger buttons to select tracks and 'striping' to improve
readability in the the lefthand pane.  Many of the other skins now
seem superfluous - does anyone here use anything other than default,
handheld or Fishbone?
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[slim] Re: Player stopping rather than pausing when switched off

2005-08-03 Thread Aylwin

Earlier, I said I don't mind either way.  I've changed my mind.  Now
that I've thought about it, I'd like the SB2 to pause when the power is
switched off. BUT, only if it starts playing again automatically when
the power is turned on again.  To me, if I press the power off in
middle of whatever the SB2 was doing, it would be nice if it reverts to
the original state once the power is switched on again.  This will allow
single button (press once) operation on the remote control which even my
2-year old can handle.


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RE: [slim] itunes playlists

2005-08-03 Thread Craig, James (IT)
Have you checked the --d_itunes & --d_info output to see if this smart
playlist is being scanned or not?
>From what you describe it sounds like SlimServer is not scanning the
up-to-date iTunes Library - is any other new music appearing in
SlimServer that you've added to iTunes? 

I believe that SS 6.2 supports playlist only scanning from iTunes but I
have not tested this yet
(I also don't really see the point unless it's incredibly fast) but note
that the iTunes scanner is brand new in 6.2 and issues like this are
entirely possible - a couple of days ago it wasn't working at all.

However the latest 6.1.2 is working fine with iTunes.

James


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[slim] Lots of 'No Artist - No Album' entries appeared

2005-08-03 Thread Andy Hawkins
I've recently noticed that I have a lot of tracks with 'No Artist' and 'No
Album'. If I look at one of these tracks, it's relating to a file called
'dummy.wav' in the directory where I have FLAC files stored (1 FLAC file per
album).

In these directories, I now have files called flacname.cue, and these refer
to a file called dummy.wav

Can anyone tell me if this is expected behaviour, or a bug?

Thanks

Andy

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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread Aylwin

That's correct. Public companies are required by law to submit financial
statements.  Naturally, they need to answer to their stockholders.  And
this information is available to the public.  Private companies only
have to answer to the government (taxes).  How much of this financial
information is available to the public probably depends on the country
(or state?).

Personally, I see no sense in asking Slim Devices about their financial
condition in a public forum.  Regardless of what the real condition may
be, why on earth would ANY company say anything other than "We're doing
fine"?  Whether you're raking in lots of money or on the brink of
bankrupcy it doesn't do any good by saying so.

If you're a potential investor, contact them directly.  If you're a
customer, there have already been explanations why there's no need to
worry.  If you're simply curious, well, they're doing fine. :)


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[slim] Re: Financial condition of Slim Devices, Inc. ?

2005-08-03 Thread WSLam

The most important thing we can do is to make sure we do our own share
of 'marketing'. I'd assume we all here love our SB2 and how it has
changed the way we listen to music. But given the SD is still a pretty
small company, they can't really afford marketing like Sonos. If we all
do our share to spread the word, I think that is the best thing we can
do to make sure any diaster to happen down the road. We, the people who
gave it a fair try, know the SB2 is a wonderful product. But if you go
to say audioasylum.com, you will see people who are so stuck up and
insist in using a noisy PC as their music server (running some fancy
ASIO sound card)... they just don't see the beauty and simplicity of
the SB2... we need to do our share to make sure words get spread out. 

I am going to give a demo to a group of friends tonight. =)


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SB2 | Linn CD12 | Unidisk 1.1 | TacT RCS2.0s | EMM Labs DCC2 | Mark
Levinson No.33H | Revel Ultima Salon
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[slim] Re: Clients home page limit options

2005-08-03 Thread spectre51

Is there a way to make it so someone can't edit someone else's playlist?


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