Re: [slim] Re: SlimServer and uPnP again
On 11/29/06, GungHo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: netim3;158436 Wrote: > Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the > software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the > software UPnP compatible. True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they will sell ! there's actually a respectable number of people who say they're using it with softsqueeze only. You can also stream to any media player that takes mp3 streams. -- "I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Suggestion
i completely agree. i think the whole forum needs a big redesign, but thats a great one to start. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream ripping
i appreciate the input... considering the amount of people i'm sure would love such a thing, i'm surprised at the lack of response to the thread. how would u suggest i go about hooking a 3rd party developer? am i in the wrong forum? i have no idea how to recruit someone to the idea. and streamripper btw, already has the options in it saying where to write files, and how... i wouldn't have them put directly into SS if thats what you meant, i would have them picked up via automated scan by SS which a lot of people do. i don't see the priv issue being a big deal, if you can get streamripper to work independently. if you can do that, (and SR already exists as perl code), then all i'm asking for really is a scheduling app for SR that comes wrapped in a SS plugin. in fact, i bet the "alarm" wakeup code (already in SS) would be very similar. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29958 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB1 VU Meters in Slim Server 6.5
sterling1989 wrote: I own a SB2 and a SB1. The problem is that since I upgraded, I cannot get Analog VU Meters to show up on my SB1. I usually have the VU meters set as my "Now Playing" screensaver but now all the SB1 says is: Squeezebox 2 Required That message is true. the VU is a firmware-based graphic and therefore does indeed require an SB2. There is a bug filed for removing scrensaver items that don't work for the selected player, but a fix hasn't been implemented to date. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Tough Problem Running Multiple Softsqueeze Instances
I've been using slim server and softsqueeze as a poor-man's whole house audio system for about 6 months or so. I had been running three instances of Softsqueeze headless and slim server on one old pentium 3 machine sitting in my basement. I recently built a machine from mostly spare parts to replace the old pentium. This machine has an on-board sound card. I first got everything working using just the on-board card. One instance of Softsqueeze running headless and slim server. So far, so good. However, when I installed the second card, the name of the audio mixer is exactly the same as the on-board card. In my case, that's "C-Media Wave Device". Now, if I use that name in the command line to start softsqueeze, all I get is "[SlimTCP-1] WARN softsqueeze - Lost contact with Slim Server" in an infinate loop. Softsqueeze does seem to work if I use the GUI, although it won't play though the second sound-card, no matter what audio mixer I pick. If I look at the name in the Sounds and Audio Devices utility in the control panel, it also shows two of the exact same named devices, although it did put a "(2)" after the second one in the list. If I change the default audio device in the control panel to the second card - "C-Media Wave Device (2)", then softsqueeze will play through the second card, but not the on-board card no matter what mixer I pick. It's like it can't tell the difference, so it just uses the windows default sound device. Any one know of another way to address the audio device in the -Daudio.mixer flag? The other option I thought of was to rename the device in the registry - but that makes me a bit nervous. Any other ideas? -- moodymail moodymail's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30161 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB1 VU Meters in Slim Server 6.5
I recently upgraded my Slim Server to version 6.5. I had been running Slim Server 6.21. After working through all the tagging problems, I have just one issue. I own a SB2 and a SB1. The problem is that since I upgraded, I cannot get Analog VU Meters to show up on my SB1. I usually have the VU meters set as my "Now Playing" screensaver but now all the SB1 says is: Squeezebox 2 Required Any way to have this work? It works fine obviously on the SB2. It would be nice to have Analog VU meters work on both the SB1 and SB2 that are using the same Slim Server. -- sterling1989 sterling1989's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4922 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30160 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter: Will it allow DSP (e.g. room correction) purely in digital domain?
Aha, thanks for the links, I knew those threads were out there somewhere. However, one thing that's still unclear to me: Is the Transporter's hardware capable of doing this (i.e. is it just a matter of a firmware update)? I know one of the posters makes that assumption based on Sean Adams' post, but it isn't obvious to me that this conclusion necessarily follows from the statement he made. If Slim Devices says, "Yes, the hardware will allow for it, and yes, a firmware upgrade to do this is in the foreseeable future," I'll order a Transporter tomorrow. Otherwise I will wait, because with my room, I really need something that will do this. -- Mike Anderson 'FREE RADICAL RADIO!' (http://nvo.com/cd) Hours of free radical MP3s. Mike Anderson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30124 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Suggestion
A 'Suggestions' forum. Ideas for SlimServer, new products, the web site, documentation, whatever. There's a fair amount of this in General, plus some in Beta and even Developers. Just seems like a logical division to me. Instead of an endless, very general, 20 page "What do you want in SlimServer 7.0" thread, it would be encouraged to discuss the pros and cons of each idea. A lot of suggestions (enhancement requests) can go into bugzilla, but that isn't really the place to discuss them, and you'll never get much of a dialog going even if it were. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30159 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5 Internet Radio - Connection Timed Out
OK, darndest thing but here's what I did to resolve my Internet Radio streaming problems. 1) Held down the left button on the remote until it brought me to the setup. (I was going to get its IP and try to sniff the traffic; I was that desperate.) 2) It was at this point I saw the Connect to Squeeze Network and I though "I wonder if that works?" so I tried it. A couple of seconds later...absolutely no display on my SB3. 3) Checked the Slimserver and saw the software was still running. Oh bad things were running through my head at this point. 4) Unplugged the power from my SB3, waited 10 seconds and then plugged it back in. 5) SB3 came back to life but this time logged into the Squeeze Network. I tried a couple of different stations and things seemed to work well. 6) I logged out of the Squeeze Network and verified I could see my Slimserver. 7) Tried streaming Internet Radio and low and behold I could now stream Shoutcast, Live Music Archive, etc. So in the end a power reset of the SB3 seemed to cure my problems; at least as far as I can deduce. -- Linzer -- Linzer Linzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=27617 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Removing favorites?
thanks! filler to meet minimum posting reqs -- grimholtz 'Get PasswordMaker' (https://passwordmaker.org/) 'Get FoxyProxy' (http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org/) 'Read one of my books' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1861005202/102-7541338-1644948) grimholtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5235 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30122 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimServer and uPnP again
netim3;158436 Wrote: > Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the > software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the > software UPnP compatible. True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they will sell ! netim3;158436 Wrote: > Have you looked at Telcanto as a solution for controling your system? I > use it with a library of 1,000 albums and a multi-room setup (6 rooms), > and also use it to access AlienBBC. That looks nice but what it lacks is a profesional approax for controling the rest of the A/V system that you only get from a good 2 way universal remote ! -- GungHo GungHo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8696 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30089 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: WTB: SB2 wireless black
Anyone? I'll take an SB3, too. -- Kyle Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30097 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] v6.5 SBII skipping, pops
Hi, I have a SBI and SBII connected to a linux box running v6.5. The SBI is connected via ethernet and working fine; the SBII is connected via 802.11b wlan. Using flac encoded music. I have a good signal to the SBII (71%) and never had problems. I haven't used the SBII in a while and when I started to play music recently, I had a lot of pops, skipping (actually it sounds like the music starts and stops). I'm using the optical output. So I figured it has to be the wireless, for whatever reason, is acting up. I ran a cable to the box and I'm still have the same problem. The SBI is working fine on the same network. SBII is updated to the latest firmware loaded with 6.5. Any idea what might be causing the problem or what I can look for to find out why playback isn't clean? TIA. Regards-Michael G. -- mgerbasio mgerbasio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=926 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30155 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Strange BBC Issue
First, AlienBBC is not part of Slimserver as such, so you can't log a bug in the slimdevices bugzilla. Back to solving the problem. For AlienBBC can you do a log with d_source and d_plugins enabled as well. Has AlienBBC worked for you with 6.5.0 ? What version of AlienBBC are you using ? Does the problem happen just with BBC 5Live, can you listen to other BBC live stations ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30154 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Michael Herger;158470 Wrote: > > Nothing i can do... Just connected to Power and Line-Out. > > Check antenna cables to your tuner (remove them for a test). I had > terrible hum before I added a filter. Did you have this humming problem the first time with the Transporter? -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
MelonMonkey;158486 Wrote: > > I'm running with a real Squeezebox now. I thanked the Slim support > team for handling the situation with UPS. UPS says they delivered the > original package yet I received nothing. They had no signature because > they said it was left at the front of the house. Nice job. In 2003 my > car was stolen from the driveway while I slept. They thought they should > trust the neighborhood with a US$340 package while no one was home > (that's the price with shipping). UPS seems to have a "if it is worth stealing, leave it on the step; if it is worthless, leave a yellow card and make them come get it" rule. How they know what is worthless/worthwhile I never have figured out. > > I also wasn't accessing the web server from the same system. I've > tested using a third system, a PowerBook G4 (my main workhorse), both > with Camino and Safari and wired plus wireless connection. I no longer > run Firefox as it's a huge bloated memory pig and so full of bugs that > it's practically useless on a Mac. Well it has less bugs than IE, but yes, it sucks tons of RAM, especially if you leave it running for a while and even more so if pages auto-refresh. (Even 2.0 seems to leak those...) > > I have no doubt most of the time spent by the CPU is with the sql > queries and I didn't mean to imply that the blame rested on the > shoulders of the Perl implementation. But to call Perl fast has to be > taken in context. Sure, it can be considered adequate in terms of a > scripting/interpreted language, but look at the broader picture which > includes compiled languages like C. Execution times of 100x faster for > the same piece of code would not be uncommon. Whether speeding up > portions or all of the current Perl modules would help the web serving > performance drammatically is anyone's guess (I suppose anyone touching > that code can comment with better hypothesis). But having some portions > compiled would certainly not adversely affect runtime speed. Be careful: Perl -is- compiled. It just has a very fast compiler. (It is compiled to bytecode, which is actually pretty efficient.) In cases were Perl shines (like pattern matching), it can be very much on par with C, especially since a ton of very strange optimizations go on in libperl: "commonly used functions" are grouped together, for example, so that they will have a tendency to always stick in the CPU cache. The real difference you are seeing is probably in constant resizing of images, and the lack of a real multithreaded http server. There has been a lot of cleanup of the number of SQL calls so they shouldn't be too painful any more. > > So, how does one time the web interface as was briefly mentioned > earlier in this topic? I'll try getting some numbers for various > scenarios. There are some debugging flags you can turn on for timing http transactions, and you can also use the "Server and Network Health" option under Health, it should show you how certain operations are typically timing. Since you are on MacOS, you may also want to turn on the forking for HTTP on the Performance setting page. This may speed up web clients by pawning off some of the multithreading onto the OS instead of faking it in Perl. (That is probably the worst thing about the perl implementation ... that perl doesn't deal well with multithreaded applications so it has to be faked.) 640M shouldn't really be a problem... I have... um... 256M. I'm cheap. The CPU isn't the fastest, but then you have a dual cpu, so that should help a bit since the 6.5 model lets you have at least some fake multithreading with the SQL stuff moved into mysqld. Turning on forking for http may help use both processors as well. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Strange BBC Issue
I have a strange problem with AlienBBC since upgrading to 6.5.0 and
subsequently to 6.5.1.
Basically from what I can see from the debug output.
2006-11-29 23:42:50.5037 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/audiolist.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9124 Adding playable 'Five Live Sports Extra Listen
Live Real Player'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml)
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9198 Adding playable 'UK Version'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml?ukuser)
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9316 PlayableAODItem: Trying to get stream for:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9336 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:51.2427 PlayableAODItem got:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm
2006-11-29 23:42:51.2444 AlienBBC Playing : Five Live Sports Extra
Listen Live Real
Player(http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm)
2006-11-29 23:42:51.7018 Async: Starting async DNS lookup for
[www.bbc.co.uk] using server [192.168.1.254] [timeout 5]
2006-11-29 23:42:51.7187 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/audiolist.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:52.0244 Adding playable 'Five Live Sports Extra Listen
Live Real Player'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml)
2006-11-29 23:42:52.0318 Adding playable 'UK Version'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml?ukuser)
2006-11-29 23:42:52.9066 Async: Resolved www.bbc.co.uk to
[212.58.224.124]
2006-11-29 23:42:52.9081 Async: Connecting to www.bbc.co.uk:80
2006-11-29 23:42:53.2079 Async: connected, ready to write request
2006-11-29 23:42:53.2131 Async: Sending:
GET /fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm HTTP/1.1
Connection: close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Accept: */*
Host: www.bbc.co.uk
User-Agent: iTunes/4.7.1 (Linux; N; Linux; ppc-linux; EN; iso-8859-1)
SlimServer/6.5.1/10751
Icy-MetaData: 1
2006-11-29 23:42:53.6452 Async::HTTP: Headers read. code: 200 status:
OK
2006-11-29 23:42:53.6567 bless({
connection => "close",
"content-length" => 88,
"content-type" => "audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin",
date => "Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:42:59 GMT",
expires => 0,
pragma => "no-cache",
server => "Apache/2.0.54 (Unix)",
"set-cookie" =>
"BBC-UID=e435165e61eb902376ad3f41117150fcbf2c23053008b01062700c85c14260830iTunes%2f4%2e7%2e1%20%28Linux%3b%20N%3b%20Linux%3b%20ppc%2dlinux%3b%20EN%3b%20iso%2d8859%2d1%29%20SlimServer%2f6%2e5%2e1%2f10751;
expires=Sun, 28-Nov-10 23:42:59 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk;",
}, "HTTP::Headers")
2006-11-29 23:42:53.9066 Async::HTTP: Read body: 88 bytes
2006-11-29 23:42:53.9811 Async::HTTP: Body read
2006-11-29 23:42:54.2900 Async: Starting async DNS lookup for
[rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk] using server [192.168.1.254] [timeout 5]
2006-11-29 23:42:54.5811 Async: Resolved rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk to
[212.58.224.154]
2006-11-29 23:42:54.5823 Async: Connecting to rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk:80
2006-11-29 23:42:54.6246 Async: connected, ready to write request
2006-11-29 23:42:54.6293 Async: Sending:
GET /farm/*/ev7/live24/radio5/sportsextra/live/r5sx_tl_int_g2.ra
HTTP/1.1
Connection: close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Accept: */*
Host: rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk
User-Agent: iTunes/4.7.1 (Linux; N; Linux; ppc-linux; EN; iso-8859-1)
SlimServer/6.5.1/10751
Icy-MetaData: 1
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7203 Async::HTTP: Headers read. code: 404 status:
Not Found
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7252 bless({ "content-length" => 143,
"content-type" => "text/html" }, "HTTP::Headers")
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7294 Async::HTTP: Error: 404 Not Found
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7305 ERROR: scanRemoteURL: Can't connect to remote
server to retrieve playlist: 404 Not Found.
I haven't posted in the community yet so I'm not sure if this is the
right thing to do. I don't want to log a bug as I'm sure someone else
has seen this issue.
Note other radio streams and DNS are working fine. Firewalls and
general environment haven't changed
SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10751 - Linux - EN - iso-8859-1
Server IP address: 10.0.0.103
Perl Version: 5.8.8 powerpc-linux
MySQL Version: 4.1.21
--
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[slim] Strange BBC Issue
I have a strange problem with AlienBBC since upgrading to 6.5.0 and
subsequently to 6.5.1.
Basically from what I can see from the debug output.
2006-11-29 23:42:50.5037 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/audiolist.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9124 Adding playable 'Five Live Sports Extra Listen
Live Real Player'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml)
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9198 Adding playable 'UK Version'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml?ukuser)
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9316 PlayableAODItem: Trying to get stream for:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:50.9336 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:51.2427 PlayableAODItem got:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm
2006-11-29 23:42:51.2444 AlienBBC Playing : Five Live Sports Extra
Listen Live Real
Player(http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm)
2006-11-29 23:42:51.7018 Async: Starting async DNS lookup for
[www.bbc.co.uk] using server [192.168.1.254] [timeout 5]
2006-11-29 23:42:51.7187 Going to parse:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/audiolist.shtml
2006-11-29 23:42:52.0244 Adding playable 'Five Live Sports Extra Listen
Live Real Player'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml)
2006-11-29 23:42:52.0318 Adding playable 'UK Version'
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/networks/sportsextra/live.shtml?ukuser)
2006-11-29 23:42:52.9066 Async: Resolved www.bbc.co.uk to
[212.58.224.124]
2006-11-29 23:42:52.9081 Async: Connecting to www.bbc.co.uk:80
2006-11-29 23:42:53.2079 Async: connected, ready to write request
2006-11-29 23:42:53.2131 Async: Sending:
GET /fivelive/live/surestream_sportsextra_int.rpm HTTP/1.1
Connection: close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Accept: */*
Host: www.bbc.co.uk
User-Agent: iTunes/4.7.1 (Linux; N; Linux; ppc-linux; EN; iso-8859-1)
SlimServer/6.5.1/10751
Icy-MetaData: 1
2006-11-29 23:42:53.6452 Async::HTTP: Headers read. code: 200 status:
OK
2006-11-29 23:42:53.6567 bless({
connection => "close",
"content-length" => 88,
"content-type" => "audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin",
date => "Wed, 29 Nov 2006 23:42:59 GMT",
expires => 0,
pragma => "no-cache",
server => "Apache/2.0.54 (Unix)",
"set-cookie" =>
"BBC-UID=e435165e61eb902376ad3f41117150fcbf2c23053008b01062700c85c14260830iTunes%2f4%2e7%2e1%20%28Linux%3b%20N%3b%20Linux%3b%20ppc%2dlinux%3b%20EN%3b%20iso%2d8859%2d1%29%20SlimServer%2f6%2e5%2e1%2f10751;
expires=Sun, 28-Nov-10 23:42:59 GMT; path=/; domain=bbc.co.uk;",
}, "HTTP::Headers")
2006-11-29 23:42:53.9066 Async::HTTP: Read body: 88 bytes
2006-11-29 23:42:53.9811 Async::HTTP: Body read
2006-11-29 23:42:54.2900 Async: Starting async DNS lookup for
[rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk] using server [192.168.1.254] [timeout 5]
2006-11-29 23:42:54.5811 Async: Resolved rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk to
[212.58.224.154]
2006-11-29 23:42:54.5823 Async: Connecting to rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk:80
2006-11-29 23:42:54.6246 Async: connected, ready to write request
2006-11-29 23:42:54.6293 Async: Sending:
GET /farm/*/ev7/live24/radio5/sportsextra/live/r5sx_tl_int_g2.ra
HTTP/1.1
Connection: close
Cache-Control: no-cache
Accept: */*
Host: rmlivev8e.bbc.net.uk
User-Agent: iTunes/4.7.1 (Linux; N; Linux; ppc-linux; EN; iso-8859-1)
SlimServer/6.5.1/10751
Icy-MetaData: 1
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7203 Async::HTTP: Headers read. code: 404 status:
Not Found
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7252 bless({ "content-length" => 143,
"content-type" => "text/html" }, "HTTP::Headers")
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7294 Async::HTTP: Error: 404 Not Found
2006-11-29 23:42:54.7305 ERROR: scanRemoteURL: Can't connect to remote
server to retrieve playlist: 404 Not Found.
I haven't posted in the community yet so I'm not sure if this is the
right thing to do. I don't want to log a bug as I'm sure someone else
has seen this issue.
Note other radio streams and DNS are working fine. Firewalls and
general envirobment haven't changed
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Re: [slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Wombat wrote: >> One way to do this is to break the ground pin off of a spare power cord >> or a cheap power strip. > > Just was at it :) works!! Is it dangerous? You bet it can be dangerous, and against electrical code in countries with three pin wiring. But once you have verified the problem, you can start chasing down the ground loop in legal and safe ways. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
seanadams;158493 Wrote: > Can you see what happens if you float (disconnect) Transporter's ground? > One way to do this is to break the ground pin off of a spare power cord > or a cheap power strip. Just was at it :) works!! Is it dangerous? -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;158480 Wrote: > I actually struggle to see the parallels - AllOfMP3 sold, directly, > stuff that was someone else's copyright, without paying them for it. I > don't like a lot of what the record companies are doing re downloads, > DRM and the like, but I do recognise the necessity for them to make > money from their artists (and, indeed, pay some of that to the artist!) Actually, allofmp3 contends that they have a license to sell music in Russia and that they pay the fees to do this. The attempt to shut them down a couple of years ago failed because of this: they do appear to be telling the truth that they are legally allowed to sell music in Russia. The question then becomes whether it can cross borders legally... and where all the interesting legal questions are. If it is legal to sell their music in Russia, can you go to Russia with a laptop or USB drive, buy a bunch of music return home with it? Why or why not? Could you go to Japan and buy a copy of a Japanese game and bring it home to play on your Playstation? What if you bought a truckload of games in Japan and brought them home to sell to others who couldn't make the trip? We are going to see more of this in the next few years: the UK has refused to extend copyrights into eternity... what about something like the Beatles library, still copyrighted in the US, but with an expired copyright in the UK? Could you go to the UK and get a free copy on your laptop and bring it home? What if you bought a CD and brought it home? That is exactly why the legal issues here are interesting: the world is getting smaller, not just because of the 'net and mp3's -- but because of increased trade, easy conversion between monetary types, and airmail But each country has differing rules on the terms of copyrights, for example, not to mention different interpretations on what exactly is "download music" and what is "streaming radio" Or prices things differently in different territories: why is a Nikon camera made for the Asian market considered bad if a retailer imports it himself? And if I want to pay for a copy of Final Fantasy in Japanese, why can't I? -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;158480 Wrote: > I actually struggle to see the parallels - I would say the parallels are quite striking -- In both cases, a person/company performed acts that are 100% legal in the jurisdiction of the country they reside in. And in both cases they were subject to penalties (civil or criminal) by American laws due to the strong-arming of corporate interests. Let me phrase my original question differently -- if the Russian government decided that the iTunes music store was violating Russian copyright laws by selling music (since they don't pay into the Russian copyright system and ASCAP and BMI don't deal with Russian artists), and then they tried to pressure MC/Visa to stop accepting orders from iTunes -- would you feel any different? -- Victor "I'm against animal testing. They get all nervous and give the wrong answers." Victor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
Might be interesting to completely disconnect from the internet (unplug!) and play some local music. That would eliminate external issues for sure. I did once have similar symptoms with a version of slimremote running on a handheld, though that was fixed by a later version. Assuming you are not using slimremote, I am wondering if some odd browser behaviour is causing commands to be issued to slimserver. There are probably some debug options you could turn on to get some clues as to what is causing stuff to be added to the playlist, but I'm not very familiar with what each option does... Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Can you see what happens if you float (disconnect) Transporter's ground? One way to do this is to break the ground pin off of a spare power cord or a cheap power strip. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Well. There are only my monoblocks and the Transporter plugged in my living room -> humming In my Pc-Room i tried to disconnect everything but the pieces i need for testing. Transporter to PC -> humming. I have a TV card in my PC. When attaching an antenna the humming changes! So i doubt i can do something at all.. Other pieces don´t do this so it must be a fault in the Transporter. Just saw your reply Seanadams. It shows 229VAC. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Wombat;158451 Wrote: > Finally after hunting this thing around here in germany for some weeks > it was delivered. > Something is wrong or i am only to dump to set it up? > Here is the humming it produces. Fresh out of the box recorded via my > soundcard. > Is it D.O.A.? Sounds like 50Hz line hum... have you tried it in two completely different systems? I am guessing since you recorded with your sound card that it was a separate enviornment from your hifi? In the firmware setup menu please see View Current Settings -> AC Line Voltage. Do you have a reasonable reading? (i.e. 230-240V). Also make sure Transporter is on the same grounded power strip as your receiver. If you call tech support they may be able to walk you through it a little better and hopefully pinpoint the problem. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
Sorry I wasn't a bit more clear in my opening post regarding some details. I'm running with a real Squeezebox now. I thanked the Slim support team for handling the situation with UPS. UPS says they delivered the original package yet I received nothing. They had no signature because they said it was left at the front of the house. Nice job. In 2003 my car was stolen from the driveway while I slept. They thought they should trust the neighborhood with a US$340 package while no one was home (that's the price with shipping). I also wasn't accessing the web server from the same system. I've tested using a third system, a PowerBook G4 (my main workhorse), both with Camino and Safari and wired plus wireless connection. I no longer run Firefox as it's a huge bloated memory pig and so full of bugs that it's practically useless on a Mac. I also forgot to say that the Mini has 1GB of memory while the G4 had only 640MB, both running 10.4.8. I thought that the artwork would be generated during the build/scan but I have seen first hand that it's not (which is exactly what's been written in this thread by others). All the artwork in my music has been imbedded using iTunes 7.x and collected from various sources. The images range in size from 200x200 to 800x800 and probably average in the middle somewhere. The tracks are all stored neatly in their own album folders in a top-level hierarchy arranged by artist, so I wouldn't mind running some script to generate the required external images ahead of time. I have no doubt most of the time spent by the CPU is with the sql queries and I didn't mean to imply that the blame rested on the shoulders of the Perl implementation. But to call Perl fast has to be taken in context. Sure, it can be considered adequate in terms of a scripting/interpreted language, but look at the broader picture which includes compiled languages like C. Execution times of 100x faster for the same piece of code would not be uncommon. Whether speeding up portions or all of the current Perl modules would help the web serving performance drammatically is anyone's guess (I suppose anyone touching that code can comment with better hypothesis). But having some portions compiled would certainly not adversely affect runtime speed. So, how does one time the web interface as was briefly mentioned earlier in this topic? I'll try getting some numbers for various scenarios. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter: Will it allow DSP (e.g. room correction) purely in digital domain?
Not currently possible, but there's considerable interest in it (from Sean himself) so maybe in the future. http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28259 Couldn't find the thread where Sean expressed interest in the looping idea. It's one of the early ones. IIRC he has a TacT that he'd like to use for this? -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30124 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
shabbs;158475 Wrote: > I hope you don't own any Nike shoes... > > http://www.american.edu/TED/nike.htm > > Cuz that's a lot of "dirty money" supporting Child Labour. > > Cheers. I make a lot of effort to avoid products sourced from countries with poor records on matters like child labour, but the problem is actually more complex than it first seems. Yes child labour is bad, but in some instances where regions have stopped it, the children have actually become worse off - some even going into prostitution. Rarely going to school. Life is irritatingly complicated at times. And no, I own no Nike shoes. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
Victor;158471 Wrote: > Interesting viewpoint. I assume you then also agree with the US > arresting Dmitry Sklyarov when he was in the US? > > Details here for those unfamilar with the case: > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45298,00.html > > If you don't agree with Sklyarov's arrest, please explain the > differences in legal principles between the two cases. I actually struggle to see the parallels - AllOfMP3 sold, directly, stuff that was someone else's copyright, without paying them for it. I don't like a lot of what the record companies are doing re downloads, DRM and the like, but I do recognise the necessity for them to make money from their artists (and, indeed, pay some of that to the artist!) Cracking a proprietary system might be a copyright breach, and it might then allows others to break copyright directly, but it's certainly a long way short of directly selling others' copyrighted material. My personal view is to welcome challenges to DRM restrictions, as I think the long-term solution has to be a radical rethink of how fair use works and how artists are remunerated (I don't really have answers beyond that). Trying to close ranks around the challenges is not the way. Oh and I agree that the 'confirmed' word in my earlier post was ill-advised, but I still think they're crooks ;) Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Not exactly. There is no TV cable near. but it for sure has something to to with this ground loop. I tried it in 2 different rooms and setups. Sound varies but never goes away. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Transporter arrived but...
On 11/29/06, Wombat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Finally after hunting this thing around here in germany for some weeks it was delivered. Something is wrong or i am only to dump to set it up? Here is the humming it produces. Fresh out of the box recorded via my soundcard. Is it D.O.A.? Nope, that's a ground loop. http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/Ground-Loops/ First make sure you don't have a rat's nest of cable behind the stereo causing cross-talk -- I solved my last ground loop problem by bundling each cable up with a zip tie. (And I do mean rat's nest server, CRT monitor, printer, tivoli model two plus subwoofer, Squeezebox 2, fm and am antennas, two ethernet switches, two wireless routers, printer, three laptops, cisco router, three power strips, and assorted USB geegaws.) Next, follow the tips in that article. -- "I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;158312 Wrote: > Great news - confirming that AllOfMP3 was a pirate operation. They've > made a lot of dirty money, and I'm glad it's stopped. I hope you don't own any Nike shoes... http://www.american.edu/TED/nike.htm Cuz that's a lot of "dirty money" supporting Child Labour. Cheers. -- shabbs [shabbs] *MP3s:* 71.6 GB / 10,221 songs and growing! *Rip/encode:* 'EAC' (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/) 0.95b4 [secure] w/ 'Lame' (http://www.rarewares.org/mp3.html) v3.97 [-V 0] *Audio:* 'SB1' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) --> boombox; 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) --> Technics SA-DX1040 --> JBL E30's *Storage:* 'Linksys NSLU2' (http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1118334819312&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper), 'WDG1U5000 500GB External USB Drive' (http://www.westerndigital.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=232&language=en) shabbs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6016 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Could this be your problem? http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/avhardware/groundloopcableTV.php - Tim -- tbessie tbessie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8521 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;158312 Wrote: > Great news - confirming that AllOfMP3 was a pirate operation. They've > made a lot of dirty money, and I'm glad it's stopped. > > Interestingly, given that its status is now confirmed, does it seem > possible that one could apply for a credit card chargeback, as it is > now clear that you've got illegal goods? Since Visa/MC have no chance > of getting money back from the Russians, it could be a good way of > forcing them to be a bit more careful who they supply financial > services to. > > Adam Interesting viewpoint. I assume you then also agree with the US arresting Dmitry Sklyarov when he was in the US? Details here for those unfamilar with the case: http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,45298,00.html If you don't agree with Sklyarov's arrest, please explain the differences in legal principles between the two cases. -- Victor "I'm against animal testing. They get all nervous and give the wrong answers." Victor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Nothing i can do... Just connected to Power and Line-Out. Check antenna cables to your tuner (remove them for a test). I had terrible hum before I added a filter. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Removing favorites?
In the web interface there's a button to remove a favorite. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Nothing i can do... Just connected to Power and Line-Out. So it must be broken! Lucky me. If bet they even can´t exchange it cause it was pretty rare in stock and back and forth shipping will take me at least 10 days... Fu&%3*!! btw. ModelCitizen;158460 Wrote: > Mine makes a much more musical sound than that... gr. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream ripping
No, I'm not saying a plugin must have an interface via remote. I'm sure
several great plugins are web interface only, for the same reason. So
that doesn't have to be an impediment.
And I completely agree that software doesn't violate copyright laws,
people do. But that doesn't stop people who are only making the tools
from getting sued. Surely many developers wouldn't be deterred at all
by that vague and distant threat, but I bet it does have a chilling
effect on others who otherwise might be willing/able to write the
plugin you want. But as you say, that's for another thread.
A huge share of the malware problems that afflict Windows would be
avoided if people didn't do things the "Windows way" of running
everything with full administrator privileges ("Whaddaya mean I need a
password to install software?! This is 'My Computer'!!"). Running
server software as 'administrator' or 'root' is especially risky,
whatever the OS. I can't think of any existing SS plugin (or SS for
that matter) that writes to the music library, and it's at least partly
because of basic security. "Leaving it up to the user" doesn't fly.
Either it will take some clever coding, or it will only be useful to
security-UNconscious users.
Anyway, I really don't mean to be a naysayer. Plugins that do all and
sundry are one of the great things about SS. Vive la diversite!
Besides, you only one plugin writer to get hooked on the idea and
you're all set. I was only trying to point out (a) what you want is
pretty easy to do with existing tools (no programming required),
regardless of OS, and (b) making it into a plugin might be more
challenging than it seems. But I hope someone writes it.
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[slim] Re: Transporter arrived but...
Mine makes a much more musical sound than that... with no noise whatsoever. Set it up properly and then see. Otherwise contact technical suppport. Sorry. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver must be open to connect
Thanks, I will make the necessary changes tonight -- SlimChances SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30076 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
snarlydwarf;158419 Wrote: > "typically around 10-20mb" is certainly not the case I see. > > Let's look again: > USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND > bem 20812 0.0 11.4 321052 29276 pts/3 S09:26 0:00 > /home/bem/jre1.5.0_07/bin/java -Xbootclasspath/a > > Yes, resident size is 29M... look at the virtual size: what the heck is > it doing demanding 320M of virtual memory? > Did you read what I wrote? I said that a JVM adds 10-20mb of -overhead- to an app - in other words a Java version of Hello World would take roughly that much memory - it's what's used by the JVM itself. I did NOT say that all Java apps take 10-20mb of memory total - I'm responsible for apps which have image sizes in the 10's of GB. And, I might add, they'd take that much regardless of what language I implemented them in. In your example _Softsqueeze_ is taking that much memory, not "Java" - unless you have some evidence as to what that memory is being allocated for it's a stretch to blame some mysterious suckage of Java. More likely, the Softsqueeze app has (for whatever reason) built a lot of objects. > > As for gcc/firefox: do recall that C makes no effort at all to provide > for garbage collection and recycling. I don't blame my cable company > for not picking up the trash: it isn't something they claim to do. I > will blame my trash company if they don't visit, since that garbage > collection is exactly what they promise. Completely irrelevant. You are looking at Softsqueeze taking 320mb and saying "that's too much" without any understanding of what's actually going on under the hood or whether it's really using that memory. You then proceed to blame this supposed problem on the platform which the app is running on, again with no evidence that it is at fault in any way. Remember that garbage collection only cleans up things which are actually garbage. It's trivial to write an app which eats up every byte of available memory in C++, it's just as easy in Java. Neither can be held responsible for the actions of the programmer. (Note: I'm not laying any blame on Softsqueeze, I have no idea what it's doing and am not suggesting it's leaky :) ) That aside, memory management under Java is a complex subject, just as it is in any other environment. It's also handled in a very different manner to something like C++ which leads some people to assume it's broken just because it doesn't behave as they expect. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Transporter arrived but...
Finally after hunting this thing around here in germany for some weeks it was delivered. Something is wrong or i am only to dump to set it up? Here is the humming it produces. Fresh out of the box recorded via my soundcard. Is it D.O.A.? -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30151 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Removing favorites?
Bump. Anyone? -- grimholtz 'Get PasswordMaker' (https://passwordmaker.org/) 'Get FoxyProxy' (http://foxyproxy.mozdev.org/) 'Read one of my books' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1861005202/102-7541338-1644948) grimholtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5235 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30122 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: SlimServer and uPnP again
Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the software UPnP compatible. Have you looked at Telcanto as a solution for controling your system? I use it with a library of 1,000 albums and a multi-room setup (6 rooms), and also use it to access AlienBBC. -- netim3 netim3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30089 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
What would be useful in this thread is to actually quote some stats. Slimserver allows you to measure the responsiveness of the various operations. In my case I started using 6.5 with QNAP TS-101, the web generation suffered with a response of the web pages averaging 2 to 5 seconds. I now have a VIA EPIA EN15000 running Slimserver on Windows 2003 server. The Flac files are still held on the remote QNAP TS-101 and this is connected via a wireless bridge running at 54Mbps. The Slimserver web interface is now fine for me. The Web Page Build is now around 0.5 seconds -- Paul_B Paul ~ Slimserver 6.5.1 on EPIA VIA EN15000 Mini-ITX running Windows 2003 R2. Remote storage QNAP(1.2.1)~(160GB Maxtor) SB3 (x1) RIP - dBpowerAMP R12 (Alpha) to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.36 ~ Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
... I'm not sure you are not completely correct on this. I know he's Mac (Linux plus GUI) based and that Slashdot runs on a *nix based servers but Perl on Windows seems quite inefficient. CYG-Win (or whatever it is) just does not cut the mustard. MC ... Cygwin is not Perl, it's a unix emulation layer. It lets you run Perl, along with a lot of other software, but you're running the unix version inside an emulated shell, and the performance is poor. A little googling will show why. Slimserver is using ActiveState Perl, which is a Windows build. I develop with it as well, though nothing of the complexity of Slimserver. There is no measurable performance difference in my simple or complex scripts between ActiveState Perl running on XP and Perl.org Perl running on SuSE. Slimserver may conceivably have a performance difference based on OS, but I rather doubt that it has anything to do with Perl on Windows, until someone can step up with some numbers to prove otherwise. I am definitely willing to believe that it's a little slower on OS X, which is not so hot with multi-threaded applications like mysql (http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=2436&p=8). Even there though, I doubt that there's a lot of impact on the Slimserver specifically. -- "I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
JJZolx;158403 Wrote: > I agree with some of your observations. SlimServer needs a fast machine > to be usable for many of us. I have zero tolerance for slow loading web > sites and even less when that site is running on a local machine with 5% > CPU load. > > The slow-loading gallery issues seem to me to be a factor of a slow > HTTP server (what can you do - it's written in Perl) I don't think you should really blame a language for an implementation. I've seen Perl servers that out-perform all-C servers or all-Assembler servers. I've seen Perl servers beaten hands down by all-C servers. I've seen Perl servers beaten by Perl servers. > ... and poor caching of artwork thumbnails. There are also ongoing > issues with the database implementation, as others have pointed out - > such as queries returning millions of rows to generate a single web > page. > > Keep in mind that for the gallery view when you change the thumbnail > size, all those images are regenerated on the fly when the page is > served (then they're served from a cache). I _still_ haven't figured > out why they all can't be pregenerated during the scanning process. > Probably easier caching them. When I originally installed SlimServer, around 6.1 time, I thought about it for a little bit whilst I looked at the configuration. The idea of resizing the images seemed silly to me, so I updated one of the scripts I have which regularly processes the entire collection so that it pre-generates thumbnails of exactly the right size for the server to use as 'CoverThumb.jpg'. Like you I felt that they should be pre-generated so that they're ready for use immediately. Why waste time serving up dynamic content when you don't have to ? So I had CoverFront.jpg as the main graphic and CoverThumb.jpg as the thumbnail. Lovely. Only it looks like that's gone now that I've upgraded to 7.0. It makes me a little sad. But only a little, because I so rarely use the web interface. But it does seem silly to not be able to use pre-generated images that are intended for the purpose. In fact, it's only because you mentioned the lack of pre-generated images that I decided to look and actually saw that the coverThumb option has gone from the configuration completely. If I thought about it, I might re-add the functionality to Slim::Music::Artwork.pm, but it looks like the 'purpose' for the image is no longer known - in 6.2.1 Slim::Music::Info.pm was supplied a parameter to request either the 'cover' or the 'thumb'. This meant that it knew which to return. The new form doesn't seem to do anything like that so you wouldn't otherwise know. So it'd mean more extensive changes to restore that option. I'm sure there was a good reason for losing the ability to use pre-generated thumbnails, but it seems to me like a backward step. -- gerph gerph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1819 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
radish;158409 Wrote: > You seem to think pretty much everything sucks! Whilst I reserve > judgment on UPS, and Firefox has been behaving itself for me lately, I > take issue with your anti-Java rant. Having a JVM running certainly > adds a memory-usage overhead to your app, it's typically around > 10-20mb. Java apps can leak memory just as easily as anything else, but > I notice you don't blame gcc for Firefox's memory problems :) All software sucks. This is hardly news... "typically around 10-20mb" is certainly not the case I see. Let's look again: USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND bem 20812 0.0 11.4 321052 29276 pts/3 S09:26 0:00 /home/bem/jre1.5.0_07/bin/java -Xbootclasspath/a Yes, resident size is 29M... look at the virtual size: what the heck is it doing demanding 320M of virtual memory? As for gcc/firefox: do recall that C makes no effort at all to provide for garbage collection and recycling. I don't blame my cable company for not picking up the trash: it isn't something they claim to do. I will blame my trash company if they don't visit, since that garbage collection is exactly what they promise. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
There is a quite a difference between running SlimServer via the remote as opposed to the web gui. I ran a 192mb, 500ghz PII dedicated Windows XP machine for Slimserver 5.*/6.2/6.3 for a long while. Using the remote (my usual device) was fine but the web gui was pretty pants (I could even say it sucked). Scanning was slow but it always happened while I was asleep so I didn't care. Unfortunately 6.5 was too much for this machine so I gave it away. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
JJZolx;158398 Wrote: > You can easily test the web interface and scanner without any clients, > either Squeezebox or software, connected to the server. I have several > instances of SlimServer running on my network like this. Yes, but the OP said he was using Softsqueeze while waiting for UPS to actually deliver his Squeezebox (and I gather they sent it the long way.. slow enough that Slim actually shipped another one that will hopefully go more directly) and a web browser with album art displayed. Java sucks, Firefox sucks (okay, so it sucks less than IE most of the time, but it still sucks :P) and tossing them onto the same machine as the actual server can be misleading performance-wise, especially since once the Squeezebox shows up the footprint of Softsqueeze and the JRE is usually irrelevant. My recommendation as something to do while waiting for UPS is to put it back on his slow machine, but use the faster Mini as the web browser/softsqueeze part and see if that performance is better. If it is, then he can use his g4 as a server (which is what he wants to do) and not worry about load. Effectively isolating the suckiness of JRE and browser from the server. (And, yeah, all software sucks. So does hardware, but it usually has the dignity to catch fire and self-destruct when it sucks. :P) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
Peter;158399 Wrote: > MelonMonkey wrote:[color=blue] > Yes, for raw operations C is faster and assembly language is even > faster, but in real world speed is limited by disk access times and > database transactions. Perl is no slower in accessing databases than > assembly language. > Regards, > Peter I'm not sure you are not completely correct on this. I know he's Mac (Linux plus GUI) based and that Slashdot runs on a *nix based servers but Perl on Windows seems quite inefficient. CYG-Win (or whatever it is) just does not cut the mustard. MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
snarlydwarf;158395 Wrote: > It is a bit unclear from your posting: in your tests, were you using the > web interface on the server (ie running firefox or whatever on the same > machine as the files)? > > That can slow things down noticably, especially on older machines -- > there are a whole lot more "context changes" and, well, web browsers do > suck. Not to mention Softsqueeze can be sorta sucky too (not that the > program itself sucks, it is impressive what it does, but Sun's Java VM > can be icky too). > > So what you end up with is the footprint of Mysql, Slimserver, > Firefox/IE/Whatever and Java... > > bem 20812 0.0 13.6 318120 34968 pts/3 S09:26 0:00 > /home/bem/jre1.5.(etc) > > Yes, that means that Softsqueeze is, for reasons known only to Sun, > using 318M of virtual memory. Firefox is, at the moment, using only > 100M... > > Obviously these can have a pretty nasty impact on performance. The bad > news is that there is very little Slim can do about Java sucking memory > like a fat pig, or about all the mysterious memory leaks in Firefox... > the Good News is that with a real squeezebox in hand, it doesn't really > matter how sucky Java and Firefox are: just don't run them on the > server. > > You may want to try (while muttering at the UPS guy: what did they do, > decide to route your package 3000 miles away in a shortcut? I've seen > that :/) running Slimserver on the G4 machine, but using Softsqueeze on > the Mini. This will let you get a better feel for how a real SB would > perform (assuming the Mini has enough oomph to make the browser and > java bloat less of an issue). > > Good luck with UPS... at least most of the time they do reasonably > well, but when they suck, they tend to -really- suck. You seem to think pretty much everything sucks! Whilst I reserve judgment on UPS, and Firefox has been behaving itself for me lately, I take issue with your anti-Java rant. Having a JVM running certainly adds a memory-usage overhead to your app, it's typically around 10-20mb. Java apps can leak memory just as easily as anything else, but I notice you don't blame gcc for Firefox's memory problems :) -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
... with you Mr MelonMonkey, I run Slimserver from a QNAP TS-101 NAS that I bought specifically for the job as I liked the idea of a dedicated machine with a small power need. It's just too slow! Streaming seems fine. Maybe I use it differently from most others but I want view and play around with my collection from my PDA, Laptop or PC. Doing so is just like, as you say, loading a graphically intensive site from a poor/ overloaded server. And how many times have you hung around for the pages to load?!! It spoils the whole experience for me - may have to put Slimserver back on a (fast) PC. Looking forward to seeing if Logitech have some ideas on this - perhaps they will add track discreet advance/back buttons to the top of the machine as well - oh the number of times I've wished for those!! -- TonyCharman TonyCharman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4886 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
MelonMonkey;158387 Wrote: > So what's the point? Just an observation. I'm not suggesting everyone go > out and buy new machines. I'm not certain I can leave the mini as the > server for long - it's one of my development and test machines aqnd I'd > hate to have to interrupt the music while working on a problem with my > own software. > > If I can make a wish for 7.0 it's for increased stability and speed, > while eliminating the outstanding bugs of the 6.5 stream. I think most > of us would wait on new features to have something solid to use in the > meantime. I agree with some of your observations. SlimServer needs a fast machine to be usable for many of us. I have zero tolerance for slow loading web sites and even less when that site is running on a local machine with 5% CPU load. The slow-loading gallery issues seem to me to be a factor of a slow HTTP server (what can you do - it's written in Perl) and poor caching of artwork thumbnails. There are also ongoing issues with the database implementation, as others have pointed out - such as queries returning millions of rows to generate a single web page. Keep in mind that for the gallery view when you change the thumbnail size, all those images are regenerated on the fly when the page is served (then they're served from a cache). I _still_ haven't figured out why they all can't be pregenerated during the scanning process. Probably easier caching them. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: stream ripping
copyright has nothing to do with it imo, b/c 1.its up to the user to follow the law, and 2.i consider recordings made for oneself to be fair use, like a vcr or tivo. but really that is a discussion for another thread. i also don't consider such a specific music oriented task to be a OS task. i consider it a task of a music app, and thus why i think a plugin for SS would be best. as to the OS questions you pose, i don't know. like most people, i use windows. i don't program, but if i did and were to design a plugin to allow unattended scheduled recording using the source code of streamripper, i would go on the assumption that the user would have all privs necessary to install and use the plugin, and leave it up to them to configure their system as necessary. are you saying btw, that such a plugin *must* have an interface via remote? i'm asking b/c i don't know, i could see where such a stipulation would be a big disincentive. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=29958 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
snarlydwarf;158395 Wrote: > It is a bit unclear from your posting: in your tests, were you using the > web interface on the server (ie running firefox or whatever on the same > machine as the files)? > > That can slow things down noticably, especially on older machines -- > there are a whole lot more "context changes" and, well, web browsers do > suck. Not to mention Softsqueeze can be sorta sucky too (not that the > program itself sucks, it is impressive what it does, but Sun's Java VM > can be icky too). > > So what you end up with is the footprint of Mysql, Slimserver, > Firefox/IE/Whatever and Java... > > bem 20812 0.0 13.6 318120 34968 pts/3 S09:26 0:00 > /home/bem/jre1.5.(etc) > > Yes, that means that Softsqueeze is, for reasons known only to Sun, > using 318M of virtual memory. Firefox is, at the moment, using only > 100M... You can easily test the web interface and scanner without any clients, either Squeezebox or software, connected to the server. I have several instances of SlimServer running on my network like this. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver wants a FAST machine
MelonMonkey wrote: Speed while browsing has drammatically increased. I mean, I still find the web interface somewhat slow (Perl is slow, there's no way around that), but it's simply much faster than it was on the G4. Perl is not slow, you're talking nonsense. Loads of very big sites are run on Perl. Slashdot is a prime example. Ever heard of the Slashdot effect? It's what happens when Slashdot links to another site and the *other* site goes to it's knees. Yes, for raw operations C is faster and assembly language is even faster, but in real world speed is limited by disk access times and database transactions. Perl is no slower in accessing databases than assembly language. Regards, Peter ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
It is a bit unclear from your posting: in your tests, were you using the web interface on the server (ie running firefox or whatever on the same machine as the files)? That can slow things down noticably, especially on older machines -- there are a whole lot more "context changes" and, well, web browsers do suck. Not to mention Softsqueeze can be sorta sucky too (not that the program itself sucks, it is impressive what it does, but Sun's Java VM can be icky too). So what you end up with is the footprint of Mysql, Slimserver, Firefox/IE/Whatever and Java... bem 20812 0.0 13.6 318120 34968 pts/3 S09:26 0:00 /home/bem/jre1.5.(etc) Yes, that means that Softsqueeze is, for reasons known only to Sun, using 318M of virtual memory. Firefox is, at the moment, using only 100M... Obviously these can have a pretty nasty impact on performance. The bad news is that there is very little Slim can do about Java sucking memory like a fat pig, or about all the mysterious memory leaks in Firefox... the Good News is that with a real squeezebox in hand, it doesn't really matter how sucky Java and Firefox are: just don't run them on the server. You may want to try (while muttering at the UPS guy: what did they do, decide to route your package 3000 miles away in a shortcut? I've seen that :/) running Slimserver on the G4 machine, but using Softsqueeze on the Mini. This will let you get a better feel for how a real SB would perform (assuming the Mini has enough oomph to make the browser and java bloat less of an issue). Good luck with UPS... at least most of the time they do reasonably well, but when they suck, they tend to -really- suck. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Slimserver wants a FAST machine
MelonMonkey;158387 Wrote: > I'm relatively new to the forum so I've been doing my best to read as > much as I can to quickly get up to speed. I had plenty of time to > fiddle with Slimserver without the use of an actual Squeezebox thanks > to UPS (have to thank the Slim support guys for finally putting UPS in > their place and sending out a replacement unit). > > Anyway, I've seen countless numbers of posts asking what hardware to > use as a server and even more replies suggesting nearly any system will > work fine. That even a lowly PII at a couple of hundred MHz is > suitable, etc... > > I'm sure you can run Slimserver on an imbedded Micro if the software > dependancies are all met, but a slow system is far from ideal. > > I first installed Slimserver on one of the machines I keep on 24/7. A > Mac server that runs a few development mySQL databases, bug tracking > software and SVN. These services require very little CPU time as > they're only access a few times per day. > > The hardware consists of a Dual Processor 533MHz PowerMac G4 connected > to my LAN with 100baseTX. > > While browsing the web interface in cover mode I've been finding load > times unacceptably slow. It's painful to use the web interface for > extended periods. I'm sure some people may find it acceptable, but > when I get better performance loading graphics intensive sites from the > Internet, that's a problem for me. > > Yesterday I increased the thumbnail size from 100 pixels to 120 pixels > - which obviously made matters even worse. > > Today as an experiment, I moved all the music over to an Intel Core Duo > (1.66GHz) Mac mini. Its boot drive is a slow 2.5" model but the music > is on the same 250GB external Firewire drive as I've been using all > along. > > I copied the whole preferences folder from the G4 and installed the > current (11-29) nightly (same as the G4). The complete scan/indexing > of the library was much faster than on the G4. That's not a huge > concern as I'll usually clear the whole DB manually before going to bed > if I need to load updated tracks (scanning from the UI whether complete > or not, is just not as reliable yet). > > Speed while browsing has drammatically increased. I mean, I still find > the web interface somewhat slow (Perl is slow, there's no way around > that), but it's simply much faster than it was on the G4. > > If I had a faster system I'd continue testing with that to get > additional deltas, bt unfortunately I don't at the moment. > > Seeing as the 6.5 stream uses mySQL, it only makes sense that > Slimserver craves some CPU performance. While a lowly system may be > able to stream tracks to one or more Squeezeboxes without much effort, > access to the web UI - and therefore complex real-time queries, > requires some muscle. > > So what's the point? Just an observation. I'm not suggesting everyone > go out and buy new machines. I'm not certain I can leave the mini as > the server for long - it's one of my development and test machines aqnd > I'd hate to have to interrupt the music while working on a problem with > my own software. > > If I can make a wish for 7.0 it's for increased stability and speed, > while eliminating the outstanding bugs of the 6.5 stream. I think most > of us would wait on new features to have something solid to use in the > meantime. There have been few posts about artwork slowing things considerably, another one is the BBC radio stream. I wonder if you eliminate the artwork from the original setup if it is still unaceptable ? If it is artwork, maybe there is a way to optimize it. I was running slimserver on PPC 266 Mhz linkstation like device and the only complain I had was that when browsing to music folder, there was some delay. Of course scanning is a different issue altogether. -- georgem George georgem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slimserver wants a FAST machine
On 11/29/06, MelonMonkey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm relatively new to the forum so I've been doing my best to read as much as I can to quickly get up to speed. I had plenty of time to fiddle with Slimserver without the use of an actual Squeezebox thanks to UPS (have to thank the Slim support guys for finally putting UPS in their place and sending out a replacement unit). Anyway, I've seen countless numbers of posts asking what hardware to use as a server and even more replies suggesting nearly any system will work fine. That even a lowly PII at a couple of hundred MHz is suitable, etc... ... everyone's got different ideas about acceptable performance. I agree with you, personally, but if someone's willing to put up with running it on an NLSU2 or Via EPIA, good for them. -- "I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Restructuring physical folders for Various Artists
I had the same problem and wrote a Delphi program to move all the orphaned tracks files back into a Various Artists/Album Title structure. Contact me off-list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) if you want it. Cheers, Steve. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
What is your dyn dns address? This'll make it pretty quick to figure out if it's a security issue. :-) MC -- ModelCitizen Now what? Transporter > Naim NAP 250 > PMC OB1s. Music catalog: http://modelcitizen.mine.nu/music.txt ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Slimserver wants a FAST machine
I'm relatively new to the forum so I've been doing my best to read as much as I can to quickly get up to speed. I had plenty of time to fiddle with Slimserver without the use of an actual Squeezebox thanks to UPS (have to thank the Slim support guys for finally putting UPS in their place and sending out a replacement unit). Anyway, I've seen countless numbers of posts asking what hardware to use as a server and even more replies suggesting nearly any system will work fine. That even a lowly PII at a couple of hundred MHz is suitable, etc... I'm sure you can run Slimserver on an imbedded Micro if the software dependancies are all met, but a slow system is far from ideal. I first installed Slimserver on one of the machines I keep on 24/7. A Mac server that runs a few development mySQL databases, bug tracking software and SVN. These services require very little CPU time as they're only access a few times per day. The hardware consists of a Dual Processor 533MHz PowerMac G4 connected to my LAN with 100baseTX. While browsing the web interface in cover mode I've been finding load times unacceptably slow. It's painful to use the web interface for extended periods. I'm sure some people may find it acceptable, but when I get better performance loading graphics intensive sites from the Internet, that's a problem for me. Yesterday I increased the thumbnail size from 100 pixels to 120 pixels - which obviously made matters even worse. Today as an experiment, I moved all the music over to an Intel Core Duo (1.66GHz) Mac mini. Its boot drive is a slow 2.5" model but the music is on the same 250GB external Firewire drive as I've been using all along. I copied the whole preferences folder from the G4 and installed the current (11-29) nightly (same as the G4). The complete scan/indexing of the library was much faster than on the G4. That's not a huge concern as I'll usually clear the whole DB manually before going to bed if I need to load updated tracks (scanning from the UI whether complete or not, is just not as reliable yet). Speed while browsing has drammatically increased. I mean, I still find the web interface somewhat slow (Perl is slow, there's no way around that), but it's simply much faster than it was on the G4. If I had a faster system I'd continue testing with that to get additional deltas, bt unfortunately I don't at the moment. Seeing as the 6.5 stream uses mySQL, it only makes sense that Slimserver craves some CPU performance. While a lowly system may be able to stream tracks to one or more Squeezeboxes without much effort, access to the web UI - and therefore complex real-time queries, requires some muscle. So what's the point? Just an observation. I'm not suggesting everyone go out and buy new machines. I'm not certain I can leave the mini as the server for long - it's one of my development and test machines aqnd I'd hate to have to interrupt the music while working on a problem with my own software. If I can make a wish for 7.0 it's for increased stability and speed, while eliminating the outstanding bugs of the 6.5 stream. I think most of us would wait on new features to have something solid to use in the meantime. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30145 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
If port 9000 is exposed, someone from the outside can change your music selection. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
ceejay;158274 Wrote: > Do you hacve a browser window open and connected to slimserver? If so, > which skin? Have you tried changing the skin to see if it makes a > difference? > > Ceejay appreciate help Ceejay. The browser is open and I have changed from default to fish bone. I have reset the Squeezbox to factory settings and am using latest firmware and nightly. The issue started with what had been a stable version. The remote seems to work correctly navigating to library resources and establishing there playing. There is no consistent time between the start of the song/stream and its random replacement from something else in the library. I am scratching my head. dave -- fatfred fatfred's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
I don't believe there is any residual session or hacker(lol paranoia)involved. Just be sure you check your router's/firewall's settings. :-) -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SSH Client for Slim on Windows Mobile?
I've done some searching but I'm wondering if anyone has gotten this to work. I would like to be able to pull down-rezzed streams from my Slimserver over the internet onto my Windows Mobile 5.0 Smart Phone, has anyone attempted this or got it working? I am currently using Orb (www.orb.com) to facilitate content sharing between my desktop at home and the smart phone device, but the Slim Server would be a much nicer way of handling this and would give me the added benefit of my listenings being tracked by last.fm. Any insight is appreciated, thanks. -- jmpage2 jmpage2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30144 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
Michael Herger;158275 Wrote: > > > You don't use your squeezebox from the office (or anywhere else outside > > your home), do you? > > -- > Michael > Yes I have used this with a dynamic ip being updated through dyndns. I have reset security against this and have stopped the refresh service on the music server in the meantime. I don't believe there is any residual session or hacker(lol paranoia)involved. The squeeze box seems to operating strangley. I powered it off using the remote only to find it restart it self less than a minute later. I have just been listening to an internet radio station only to have my playlist filled with a playlist containing my entire library 6000 songs. not sure where to take this could rebuild server but possibly squeezebox or remote fault? Thanks Dave -- fatfred fatfred's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Server-side playing with SlimServer
you can also just run a music player on the linux box and point it to localhost. for instance, install splay: $ sudo apt-get install splay and then: nohup splay http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3 -r & i've got some more notes on playing music locally here: http://stinkpot.afraid.org:8080/tricks/index.php/2006/01/make-a-linux-based-web-jukebox/ cheers, -ld -- stinkpot http://www.stinkpot.org stinkpot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30093 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: ?FAQ - Pre-N or Mimo Network.....Compatible?
See: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?RouterStatus -- MrC MrC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=468 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Let's here some suggestions for SlimServer 7
Mikael wrote: I (and my wife(o=)would realy like to have sync between 2 or more Squeezeboxes/Transporters when loged on to Squeeze Network. You may find this enhancement request to be pertinent: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=3114 Sync'ing players with SN and Pandora would probably have a similar (if not identical) technical solution. --rt ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
TiredLegs;158354 Wrote: > > (By the way, I still buy CDs for about 95% of my music. The rest are > individual songs purchased from legal sites. I don't have any personal > stake in the success or failure of AllofMP3.com, but I resent the > strongarm tactics of the RIAA, including its efforts to restrict > consumers' rights to copy/record music at home for personal use.) And me as well, though I do use Bittorrent: because DGMLive recommends it for downloading music I purchase from them. (Emusic and Amazon make good money from me, though RIAA probably doesn't mainly because much of my music is from Non-RIAA companies.) I am also intrigued by the legal aspects of moving electronic media across borders, which includes things like DVDs (despite MPAA's assertions, DVDs arent copy protected: they are region-locked... you can make a copy of an encrypted DVD and it will play just fine -- in the same regions the original were available in). Oh, yeah, and I am annoyed at the insane license fees for "Internet Radio" Since it should be something the music publishers embrace, just as they do over the air radio: sure, like over the air there is a minimal piracy risk, but the chance to have your music micro-targetted to potential customers outweighs that risk greatly. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
snarlydwarf;158335 Wrote: > Confirming? I don't see any confirmation: I see the US Gov't calling it > that. Allegations are not confirmation. > > Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. > > It is not confirmed unless/until they are found guilty. > > (And they do have interesting legal arguments: they contend they are > legal in Russia, and that they are paying the mandated licenses fees... > so the real question is more about electronic commerce across > international borders.) I agree. AFAIK, no court anywhere in the world has found AllofMP3.com guilty of any crime. In fact, the RIAA and its cohorts have deliberately avoided taking AllofMP3.com to court, out of fear that they might actually lose. (By the way, I still buy CDs for about 95% of my music. The rest are individual songs purchased from legal sites. I don't have any personal stake in the success or failure of AllofMP3.com, but I resent the strongarm tactics of the RIAA, including its efforts to restrict consumers' rights to copy/record music at home for personal use.) -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: What happened to the "Specify Common Album Titles" option
Phunqdaphied;158323 Wrote: > Browse works perfectly, BUT the Now Playing display blanks out the > Artist if normation if TRACK ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST are both > populated. Another bug? > Fixed in 6.5.1. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30103 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
adamslim;158312 Wrote: > Great news - confirming that AllOfMP3 was a pirate operation. Confirming? I don't see any confirmation: I see the US Gov't calling it that. Allegations are not confirmation. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. It is not confirmed unless/until they are found guilty. (And they do have interesting legal arguments: they contend they are legal in Russia, and that they are paying the mandated licenses fees... so the real question is more about electronic commerce across international borders.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: What happened to the "Specify Common Album Titles" option
I don't see the problem of missing artist in Now Playing when both ALBUM ARTIST and ARTIST are populated. At least I don't recall seeing it - I'll verify it again this afternoon. "better than iTunes" isn't exactly meaningful in this context. iTunes has no bugs that I've found with its sorting and tag treatment. What it has is a lack of a couple of sorting features - iTunes does not use ALBUM ARTIST for sorting and has no SORT BY tags (TSOP, etc..) Slim server's indexing in 6.5.1 has numerous bugs, the ones discussed in here are just a couple. It also has numerous Browse bugs with regards to sorting and display. I get by with most of them, but they're all a hassle none the less. Try the current Nightly, change the tags I suggested in iTunes, shut down Slimserver and and then completely delete the entire database. Now restart the system and start Slimserver again. Another series of problems prevent a "Clean and Rescan" from working reliably. At least this is the case on a Mac. And the incremental Rescan is completely useless with these nightly builds (it picks up incorrect changes, loses album artwork, doesn't pick up legitimate changes, etc..) I have two albums named "X" two named "Wonderland" and two named "B-Sides" - all of them are working fine with the stipulations I mentioned in my first post. By the way, I only use ALBUM ARTIST for these cases and a couple of others. Generally that tag is blank for normal tracks from normal albums. -- MelonMonkey Bruno *'Twisted Melon - Fine Mac OS Software' (http://twistedmelon.com) | 'mira - Personal Control for your Apple Remote' (http://twistedmelon.com)* MelonMonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30103 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: What happened to the "Specify Common Album Titles" option
MelonMonkey;158253 Wrote: > I just confirmed this bug yesterday in bugzilla (for the 11-27 nightly > of 6.5.1). Though I can't find the bug number now no matter what I > search for (Bugzilla = ugh). > > In any case, if using iTunes, make sure to set a unique ALBUM ARTIST > tag for each of the albums that currently get lumped together. > I'd love to use the ALBUM ARTIST tag, but SlimServer is still buggy in that respect. SlimServer handles ALBUM ARTIST better than iTunes... the Slimserver DB seems to parse tags and organize albums logically. Browse works perfectly, BUT the Now Playing display blanks out the Artist if normation if TRACK ARTIST and ALBUM ARTIST are both populated. Another bug? Also, there was a lot of talk about the TCMP=0 vs TCMP=NULL. Frankly I don't know what value my files have. I just know in iTunes one album is Compilation = Yes and the other is Compilation = No -- Phunqdaphied Phunqdaphied's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30103 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
Pétur;158300 Wrote: > I've never used this but for those that do: > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/29/012244 > > ps: no it's true. Call me oldfashioned but I still buy CDs :) Great news - confirming that AllOfMP3 was a pirate operation. They've made a lot of dirty money, and I'm glad it's stopped. Interestingly, given that its status is now confirmed, does it seem possible that one could apply for a credit card chargeback, as it is now clear that you've got illegal goods? Since Visa/MC have no chance of getting money back from the Russians, it could be a good way of forcing them to be a bit more careful who they supply financial services to. Adam -- adamslim SB3 into Derek Shek d2, Shanling CDT-100, Rotel RT-990BX, Esoteric Audio Research 859, Living Voice Auditorium IIs, Nordost cables adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Visa and Mastercard Cut Off AllofMP3
I've never used this but for those that do: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/29/012244 ps: no it's true. Call me oldfashioned but I still buy CDs :) -- Pétur Alternative free open source firmware for your mp3 player - http://www.rockbox.org/ Pétur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=363 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28858 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] ?FAQ - Pre-N or Mimo Network.....Compatible?
Hi all, I'd like to upgrade my router from a netgear GT624 which doesnt quite have the reach I need for a Pre-N or perhaps Mimo router (possibly belkin). I want to know if this protocol will work with the slimserver, particularly with Belkin Mimo router? I know there have been wireless g problems. This may be an FAQ, apologies if I have missed this post before. I see there is only one post with mimo and this implies there should be no problem - http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20579&highlight=mimo Can anyone add more? Alex -- ajmitchell Check out my other hobby http://ajmitchell.shutterpoint.com ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30136 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Problem playing internet radio (checking stream)
Hi I'm new here and my Squeezebox is in the mail. I have been using the last couple of days setting up slimserver om my media center PC (Win XP SP2) and using it through softsqueeze players on my other computers. I have one problem through, I can't seem to get internet radio to play. When I try to 'tune in url' it loads up the stream in the display together with 'checking stream'. The player kind og freezes, and I can see that my network connection seems to be lost, and through VNC I can see that slimserver stops (tray icon lost blue text). When I close the softsqueeze player everything goes back to normal network wise. I have done some experimenting and found out, that when tuning in to internet radio on the same PC which has slimserver installed it works fine, but on a softsqueeze on another computer in the same network doesn't work However playing just music works fine on all softsqueezes. What do I do to make it work? I have already tried to disable windows firewall, but it doesn't help. -- rybber -- Regards, Rybber rybber's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8714 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30133 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] US Peso
Who else is planning on taking advantage of the weak US dollar to make a purchase of a shiny new transporter? Rates seem to be heading for $2:£1 which will be great for us Brits thinkng of making the plunge. Does the weak dollar have a longer term impact of potentially higher prices for the transporter as raw material costs rise? or are most of the components US sourced? Is there any indication of when the free SB3 offer will end? -- mattybain '[image: http://imagegen.last.fm/recenttracks3/recenttracks/MattyBain.gif]' (http://www.last.fm/user/MattyBain/?chartstyle=recenttracks3) mattybain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30130 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
Do you hacve a browser window open and connected to slimserver? If so, which skin? Have you tried changing the skin to see if it makes a difference? Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
The problem has seemed to come out of nowhere. And the seemingly random songs appear at anytime. On ocasion 1 song randownly appears replacing 3 or four on th list. You don't use your squeezebox from the office (or anywhere else outside your home), do you? -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: 6.5.1has mind of its own
My server details are below SlimServer Version: 6.5.1 - 10763 - Windows XP - EN - cp1252 Server IP address: 192.168.1.3 Perl Version: 5.8.8 MSWin32-x86-multi-thread MySQL Version: 5.0.22-community-nt The problem has seemed to come out of nowhere. And the seemingly random songs appear at anytime. On ocasion 1 song randownly appears replacing 3 or four on th list. -- fatfred fatfred's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1394 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30125 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
