Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread erland

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 Hi Erland,
 
 sorry to abuse your time and patience, but could you just confirm what
 I think I understand (or assume) from all this:
 
I just did some tests based on MP3 files with TPE2 tags and no custom
tags.


slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 If there is a unique ALBUMARTIST tag set for an album (mp3 and/or flac)
 and if there are different artists set in ARTIST tags, then:
 
 - that album will not be a compilation.
 
Correct!

If you have TPE2 tags in your MP3 files that you like to be considered
as ALBUMARTIST, you will have to set the Treat TPE2 MP3 tag as Album
Artist option in SqueezeCenter Settings/Behaviour

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 
 - it will be listed and sorted by albumartist in 'album' view
 
Correct!

For MP3 files, the setting List albums by all artists for that album
no longer seems to have any effect if you have set the Treat TPE2 MP3
tag as Album Artist option. I suppose the reason is that TPE2 is
considered to be Album Artist instead of Band when this options is
active.

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 
 - it will be listed by albumartist in 'artist' view
 
Correct!

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 
 - other artists (from ARTIST tags) will not show in the artist list,
 unless there is already some other album by that particular artist
 
Correct!

The other artists aren't even shown if you have enabled the List
compilation albums under each artist option.

The only place the other artists are shown is when you lists the tracks
on an album or views the track details.

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 
 - if there are other albums or tracks by the artist participating in
 some of ARTIST tags, then it is possible to drill down by artist
 between other albums and tracks and this album (and vice versa)
 
Correct!
You will see both the non compilation albums and the compilation albums
belonging to the artist. The compilation albums will be listed as ...
by Various Artists, albums with TPE2 or ALBUMARTIST tags will be
listed as ... by Album Artist or TPE2 artist.

slimkid;314225 Wrote: 
 
 - if there are other albums by the artist participating in some of
 ARTIST tags in 'our' album, then in 'artist' view, under that artist,
 our album is also listed and following the link, it will lead to only
 tracks performed by that artist.
 
Correct!
Although, I don't really understand the difference compared to the
previous question.

I've verified all this from the web interface, but I'm pretty sure it
behaves the same way in the player and controller interfaces.


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Re: [slim] Pause/Previous/Next buttons not working on controller (7.0.1 r2147) ?

2008-06-23 Thread davidmac27

I am seeing the same thing with 2160.


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Re: [slim] Bug 4770, who cares anyway?

2008-06-23 Thread verbatone

Peter,

Point being, you should never expect Nokia to fix a bug, if they do,
it's your good luck.  Somehow everyone takes the opposite view since
they're wrapped up in OS SW.  Since Nokia doesn't have bug tracking
system, don't be upset when they don't fix bugs.  You know what you're
getting when you buy into the system/product.

My 3 year old Samsung TV has upgradeable software, but they've never
once provided updated SW for the unit. Are there bugs? Yes.  Do I
expect them to release new SW?  No, but if they do, that's my good
fortune.

With SS, they do have a bug tracker, so it's that promise (not the
contractual type) that bugs will get fixed that can be somewhat
misleading and frustrating.  I can certainly see how someone could get
frustrated waiting and waiting for a submitted bug to get fixed.

So the better way to deal with forum frustration appears to be how
iPhone did, and not how you did.  It's clear that iPhone solved the OPs
problem while you came off looking smug and arrogant.

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Re: [slim] 7.0.1 does not scan library at all

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Herger
 Its not all that dramatic, but a bug nevertheless..

I'm not sure. If iTunes is using aliases to do its tricks, then SC is just 
following them. If your method was working before, then this was thanks to 
alias parsing being broken...

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Re: [slim] What Logitech and this forum have forgotten

2008-06-23 Thread adamslim

egd;314229 Wrote: 
 I have to agree - the Duet in its current form (Controller and Receiver)
 is crap.  Based on my experience it is basically unreliable and no, the
 fault doesn't lie with the user or my WAP - everything else, including
 my SB3s and iPod Touch etc. work fine via wireless using the same WAP. 
 Neither the Receiver nor the Controller do.  I've _ucked around with it
 enough now that I want nothing more to do with it, so I guess that
 means I've tried to use it and given up in disgust.

I was just thinking earlier that I wouldn't be that happy with a Duet -
while I love the Controller, it is only about 98% reliable - with my SB3
and SB+, I have the fall-back of the remote and screen.

Personally, I think the best thing to buy is a SB3 plus controller. 
Then you can't go wrong.  I think this should be packaged up, and
should be the standard purchase - people could get extra Receivers for
subsidiary systems if they wanted.

From what I can tell, Sonos is also not 100% reliable - you often have
to reboot the remote.  Redundancy is good, IMO.


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Re: [slim] Bug 4770, who cares anyway?

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

verbatone;314243 Wrote: 
 Peter,
 
 Point being, you should never expect Nokia to fix a bug, if they do,
 it's your good luck.  Somehow everyone takes the opposite view since
 they're wrapped up in OS SW.  Since Nokia doesn't have bug tracking
 system, don't be upset when they don't fix bugs.  You know what you're
 getting when you buy into the system/product.
 
 My 3 year old Samsung TV has upgradeable software, but they've never
 once provided updated SW for the unit. Are there bugs? Yes.  Do I
 expect them to release new SW?  No, but if they do, that's my good
 fortune.
 
 With SS, they do have a bug tracker, so it's that promise (not the
 contractual type) that bugs will get fixed that can be somewhat
 misleading and frustrating.  I can certainly see how someone could get
 frustrated waiting and waiting for a submitted bug to get fixed.
 
 So the better way to deal with forum frustration appears to be how
 iPhone did, and not how you did.  It's clear that iPhone solved the OPs
 problem while you came off looking smug and arrogant.
 
 finOh great, there goes the bug tracking. You know the OP did seem to lose
some of his hissy fit after Peter talked to him. The OP didn't say if
he ever called support. He had maybe 10 posts here before this thread
in a year and a half, so you have to wonder how hard he really tried to
solve his problem.  I don't think that Peter was all that bad it's just
that Iphone is such a nice guy he makes us all look bad. :)


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Re: [slim] What Logitech and this forum have forgotten

2008-06-23 Thread mvalera

egd;314229 Wrote: 
 I have to agree - the Duet in its current form (Controller and Receiver)
 is crap.  Based on my experience it is basically unreliable and no, the
 fault doesn't lie with the user or my WAP - everything else, including
 my SB3s and iPod Touch etc. work fine via wireless using the same WAP. 
 Neither the Receiver nor the Controller do.  I've _ucked around with it
 enough now that I want nothing more to do with it, so I guess that
 means I've tried to use it and given up in disgust.

EGD... you likely have a bad unit. It happens. Call support.

Mike


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[slim] SqueezeCenter / SlimServer bitrate limiting only for remote clients

2008-06-23 Thread gb115b

hey, i'm not sure if i'm just missing something thats already out there
but i was hoping it would be possible to set up bitrate limiting for
any non-local clients connecting as i want to play full quality flac at
home, but i don't want to destroy my bandwidth on my broadband
connection when i'm listening to stuff at work

any ideas?


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Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter / SlimServer bitrate limiting only for remote clients

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Herger
 hey, i'm not sure if i'm just missing something thats already out there
 but i was hoping it would be possible to set up bitrate limiting for
 any non-local clients connecting as i want to play full quality flac at

bitrate limiting is per player. Define it for remote players, don't for the 
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[slim] Register Duet Review

2008-06-23 Thread syburgh

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/23/review_logitech_squeezebox_duet/


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Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter / SlimServer bitrate limiting only for remote clients

2008-06-23 Thread gb115b

but for this i have to have access to the squeezecenter web interface
right?

and there's nothing stopping on of my technically illiterate friends
logging in and sappign all my bandwidth...

i wish it was a server setting somewhere


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Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter / SlimServer bitrate limiting only for remote clients

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Herger
 but for this i have to have access to the squeezecenter web interface
 right?

Yes, but you do this once per player. Have your friends connect when you're at 
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Re: [slim] SqueezeCenter / SlimServer bitrate limiting only for remote clients

2008-06-23 Thread Philip Meyer

gb115b;314282 Wrote: 
 but for this i have to have access to the squeezecenter web interface
 right?
 
 and there's nothing stopping on of my technically illiterate friends
 logging in and sappign all my bandwidth...
 
 i wish it was a server setting somewhere

If you are talking about remote streams, rather than remove
SqueezeBoxes, it used to be possible to set the bitrate limit as an
option on the connection url.

eg. http://localhost:9000/stream.mp3?bitrate=128kbps

I'm not sure whether this still works any longer, or whether it should
be bitrate=128.  But try it out.  If that works, you can give this url
to your friends (obviously replacing localhost with your server name
or IP address.


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Re: [slim] should I move to v7 ?

2008-06-23 Thread Millwood

bpa;314085 Wrote: 
 With current SC 7.1 you can FFW/REW (from WebUI, SB remote and SBC)
 Podcast and WMA streams as long as the broadcasting server supports it.
 Try it using BBC Podcasts (this link means you do not need AlienBBC
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/opml/bbc_podcast_opml.xml )

Sorry - I don't know how to use an xml link.


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Re: [slim] Bug 4770, who cares anyway?

2008-06-23 Thread funkstar

Nonreality;314259 Wrote: 
 I don't think that Peter was all that bad it's just that Iphone is such
 a nice guy he makes us all look bad. :)
Yeah, ain't that the truth :)


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread miguelk

Can someone from Logitech address our concern?


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread amcluesent

Have you tried netstumbler to scan for wi-fi channel contention?


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
amcluesent wrote:
 Have you tried netstumbler to scan for wi-fi channel contention?

or kismet.
WiFi is far more complex than most folks realize.


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Re: [slim] Report on powerline ethernet (five weeks later)

2008-06-23 Thread Pale Blue Ego

I've been using (4) Netgear XE-102 units for several years with zero
problems.  The cost was negligable because using Powerline networking
allowed me to buy the $50 cheaper wired-only Squeezeboxes (now no
longer available).

Paying a professional to run cat-5 or cat-6 cable is also a viable
option.  I had a guy run ethernet to 2 rooms for $110, and ran another
cable myself for the cost of the wire.

IMO it's worth the effort for 100% reliability, not to mention speed
and security.


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread mattybain

pfarrell;314323 Wrote: 
 amcluesent wrote:
  Have you tried netstumbler to scan for wi-fi channel contention?
 
 or kismet.
 WiFi is far more complex than most folks realize.
 
 
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Whilst it is true that wi-fi is complex and often the source of
problems there definitely seems to be something going on that is not
being addressed. Numerous people have posted with problems, often who
already have a SB3 which should rule out wirless issues.

I have 2 SB3's and 2 Duet's, the SB3's hold great signal and the duets
are all too close to the router to not get a good signal. 

However I have noticed that one of the SBC's is *much* worse than the
other one. It doesn't hold a signal very well, often loses connection
and more often than that it takes an age to come up with the list of
artists.

The other one is brilliant and works like a charm, excatly how I wanted
the SBC to behave, quick and holds a good connection.

The are on the same firmware and obviously the SC is the same version,
what exactly is going on here? I have switched the SBC's round so the
bad one is very near to the router which has solved my issues for now.


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
mattybain wrote:
  Numerous people have posted with problems, often who
 already have a SB3 which should rule out wirless issues.

Actually, that WiFi works perfectly one week does not mean that it will
work perfectly the next week. A neighbor can add WiFi and stomp all over
your signal.

 However I have noticed that one of the SBC's is *much* worse than the
 other one.

The SBC is different. Its battery powered, all the rest have wall power.
The SB2, SB3, and Transporter have two antennas, the SBC has one.
If they cranked up the RF in the SBC, the battery would run out sooner,
and folks would complain about that.

If anything is marginal, the SBC will suffer.

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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread maggior

egd;313598 Wrote: 
 When you load MiP's HTTP API you should have a fourth button appear
 along with a message next to it stating that the cache has changed - if
 I recall correctly is is the Reload Cache button.  You shouldn't have
 hit Refresh Songs, which I'm guessing is what you've referred to as
 musicIP refresh.
 
 I see I screwed up the Wiki instructions - my apologies...they're now
 corrected :/

I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux.  On
this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button.  Also, I don't see
in the API reference an API to reload the cache
(http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp).

What is the actual API that is being used?  Is there an equivalent
button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface?

Thanks!
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[slim] Who to contact about bounces

2008-06-23 Thread Johnny Stork
A few months back my registration with discuss@lists.slimdevices.com was 
canceled due to bounces. I have now signed up again and I can see that I 
still get messages from [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Can 
anyone point me in the right direction to address this issue? I actually 
see it on other mailing lists I subscribe to.

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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread andynormancx

pfarrell;314329 Wrote: 
 mattybain wrote:
   Numerous people have posted with problems, often who
  already have a SB3 which should rule out wirless issues.
 
 Actually, that WiFi works perfectly one week does not mean that it
 will
 work perfectly the next week. A neighbor can add WiFi and stomp all
 over
 your signal.
 
While true, one would imagine that the people reporting that their
SBCs/SBRs have worse wifi performance than their SB3s are comparing the
wifi peformance at the same time, rather than a week apart.


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread Siduhe

maggior;314328 Wrote: 
 I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux.  On
 this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button.  Also, I don't see
 in the API reference an API to reload the cache
 (http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp).
 
 What is the actual API that is being used?  Is there an equivalent
 button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface?
 
 Thanks!
 Rich

One thing to watch out for here is that you have pointed the headless
version to the right .m3lib file. I had an issue a few months back when
I upgraded to a new version of MIP and my headless set up stopped
updating.  I eventually worked out that my old default.m3lib in the
MIP directory had been superceded by a different default.m3lib in a
different user specific directory. This was on Windows, so may not be
an issue under Linux, but definitely worth checking.


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread tamanaco

maggior;314328 Wrote: 
 I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux.  On
 this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button.  Rich

I think the reload cache button only appears in the Spicefly's web UI
when you add (validate) new tracks. This is what happens in my Windows
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[slim] Problem with Odeo XML

2008-06-23 Thread bcjim

I'm a new Duet user and generally very pleased.  One frustrating
problem: whenever I try browsing Odeo for podcasts I get error message
Invalid XML Feed.  Is this a known issue?  Is a fix in the works?

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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread maggior

tamanaco;314338 Wrote: 
 I think the reload cache button only appears in the Spicefly's web UI
 when you add (validate) new tracks. This is what happens in my Windows
 setup.

OK.  I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks
capability.  I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting
without having to do the full validation.

Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the
tracks?  I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what
the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation.


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Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...

2008-06-23 Thread lanierb

ianstuart;313923 Wrote: 
 I think that some of the posts are missing the point. Yes, a lot of the
 problems that people are experiencing are due to conflicts between the
 router, or in my case the Netgear range extender, and the Squeezeboxes
 (I note that the SB3's seem to be much more robust) but that doesn't
 excuse Logitech. If you expect to sell a product to the general public
 then it has to be compatible with at least the major network setups,
 Linksys and Netgear. In my case Support has basically said that the
 problem is due to Netgear's Range Extender, which I was forced to use
 because the Receivers can't connect from more than about 15 feet away,
 so they aren't going to do anything about it. So I can use my
 Squeezeboxes within a 15 foot radius of the router, so much for Wifi.

Might you have a crappy wifi network?  I have an SB3 connected
wirelessly to a router at least 100' and many walls away, with zero
skips ever.  What does netstumbler tell you?


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Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...

2008-06-23 Thread lanierb

I'm no techy, but even I know that you can setup DHCP and still use
static IPs where you want.  Just setup the DHCP range outside the range
of the static IPs.  IMO this will make your life much easier.


Howard Passman;311122 Wrote: 
 Hi Mike,
 
 When forced to, I let the Linksys router hand out DHCP.  As I
 mentioned, I don't really like to use DHCP for ease of use reasons.  We
 have 22 devices on our home network and it's just easier to hand out
 (static) IP's.  At some point I did turn DHCP on because I could not
 get the choice of putting in an address.  When I did, I reserved ip
 addresses for the three MAC address of the SB devices. Some of the
 Linksys routers allow you to associate MAC addresses with IP addresses.
 Thinking back I may have turned it off again after I got off the phone
 with tech support and that may be why I finally got the option to
 statically address the receivers.
 
 When I bought the DUET I wasn't sure how to get the PIN number.  Almost
 the first thing tech support has you do is use DHCP to address the
 controller.  Then, when I received the second receiver and wanted to
 use the receivers as access points, I called to try and get help on
 that.  Again, the support guy insisted I turn DHCP on.  Now that I know
 that if no DHCP service is available that it will ask for a staic
 address, then that should make things easier.  
 
 Looking back the entire DHCP mess started with the fact that you can't
 statically address the controller, which is not what the instructions
 say and the way I wanted to do it.  On my first call to support I was
 told that that was a mistake and that I could not assign an address to
 the controller.  Hence DHCP got involved.
 
 I hope this helps.
 
 Howard


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread miguelk

That is correct; my SB3 works fine, and has no skipping, with a 60%
signal.  At the same time, the controller fails.  It only works when
it's literally next to the router.  

I'm past the 30 days, unfortunately, so it appears i have a useless
piece of hardware that I paid $299 for.  Very disappointing that there
has been no official response from Logitech.  

FYI i tried changing routers...from a D-Link to a Netgear.  Didn't
improve the situation.


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Re: [slim] Bug 4770, who cares anyway?

2008-06-23 Thread nicketynick

funkstar;314301 Wrote: 
 Yeah, ain't that the truth :)

Man, I love this place! Whose round is it? Mine? Oh (cue theme song
from 'Cheers')


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Re: [slim] Bug 4770, who cares anyway?

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

nicketynick;314351 Wrote: 
 Man, I love this place! Whose round is it? Mine? Oh (cue theme song
 from 'Cheers')
Ahoy matey prepare to be boarded, this thread is ours.   

whoops sorry, got carried away.
Put down the weapon Michael we're leaving peacefully.  :)


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Re: [slim] 7.0.1 does not scan library at all

2008-06-23 Thread phaedra

Hi Guys,
newbie here with the Squeezebox Duet, had a Roku 1000 before and
thought of a Sonos but settled for the Duet.
Did a clean install of the SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 on my MacBook Pro, which
runs minimized.
I pointed it to my single iTunes music folder, initiated a manual scan
and all seemed fine.
After a few days of library additions, I noticed new albums are not
displayed by the remote.

Re checked the SqueezeCenter which is set for Look for new  changed
music.

Did a 10 minute manual rescan of the whole library, then I could see
everything on the remote controller.

I added more albums, same story, SqueezeCenter never auto updates the
library!

tried mailing support via the Support page from 2 computers/browsers,
no go: Server error. 
SqueezeCenter updates, the remote tells me I am up to date with ver
7.0.1.
I feel I have done everything I can,for something that should work out
of the box.
Any help would be much appreciated.


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread mvalera

Guys,

This isn't a tech support forum. I'd love to be able to give you all 
one response that solves your problem, but for all I know they could
all be happening for different reasons.

If you have connectivity issues... please call tech support.

Mike


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread iPhone

mattybain;314326 Wrote: 
 Whilst it is true that wi-fi is complex and often the source of problems
 there definitely seems to be something going on that is not being
 addressed. Numerous people have posted with problems, often who already
 have a SB3 which should rule out wirless issues.
 
 I have 2 SB3's and 2 Duet's, the SB3's hold great signal and the duets
 are all too close to the router to not get a good signal. 
 
 However I have noticed that one of the SBC's is *much* worse than the
 other one. It doesn't hold a signal very well, often loses connection
 and more often than that it takes an age to come up with the list of
 artists.
 
 The other one is brilliant and works like a charm, excatly how I wanted
 the SBC to behave, quick and holds a good connection.
 
 The are on the same firmware and obviously the SC is the same version,
 what exactly is going on here? I have switched the SBC's round so the
 bad one is very near to the router which has solved my issues for now.

From a Wi-Fi and maybe more importantly an RF standpoint, we can't
compare the Controller to any other Slim Devices product. It is a
handheld mobile device. It has the lowest profile (read not good for
antenna position) and many times has the users hand and/or body
blocking the path to the access point.

Additionally since it has the weakest antenna placement options, it is
more susceptible to interference from other household devices as well
as from neighboring Wi-Fi networks.

All in all, the Duet and its Controller are a fairly good first effort.
This is especially true when one looks at the fact that it had to be
designed around a standard that already excised and has to work and
play with equipment functioning in a specific way and domain. One might
ask if the Controller could have been designed differently. The answer
is of course yes it could have, but then it would have most likely been
a completely new system with no backward compatibility. More importantly
it would have most likely needed its own non-WiFi transmitters and
receivers. Most multi-unit Squeezebox users have a Home WiFi Network so
it makes sense to use that and not reinvent the wheel.

This might be to painful for some users, but has anybody with reception
problems (and a wireless access point far from where the Controller is
used most) thought about running the Duet wired and putting the
Controller in Adhoc Mode?


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
miguelk wrote:
 I'm past the 30 days, unfortunately, so it appears i have a useless
 piece of hardware that I paid $299 for.  Very disappointing that there
 has been no official response from Logitech.  

Call tech support. Not here on the forums, call them. Talk to them.


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

maggior;314340 Wrote: 
 OK.  I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks
 capability.  I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting
 without having to do the full validation.
 
 Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the
 tracks?  I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what
 the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation.Your 
 mixes will get much better once you do.  The only hassle is in the
beginning, after that even a couple of hundred track only take minutes
now on mine.  The updating the cache is about a minute of time.  Take
the time at the beginning and you won't have much to do later.  On
Spices web interface the button only shows up if it needs updating. 
I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of
the SC scan.


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Re: [slim] Who to contact about bounces

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

Just for my own knowledge what is a Bounce?


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread tamanaco

maggior;314340 Wrote: 
 OK.  I'm not validating tracks yet, I'm just using the add tracks
 capability.  I'm more than happy with the mixes that I am getting
 without having to do the full validation.
 
 Can you execute this command without having to do validation on the
 tracks?  I guess I can look at the source for the web page and see what
 the source is for the button that comes up when you perform validation.

If in the SpiceFly UI to the MusicIP server the number of Total Songs
equals the number of Validated Songs in your library, what would be
the use of reloading the cache? When I get new CDs I rip them to my
FLAC library, then I run the MusicIP Windows client to validate the new
added tracks, after validation I start the SpiceFly Web UI (at this
point Total Songs does not equal Validated Songs) and click reload
cache.  My last step is to use the SC Web interface settings to add new
and changed music. This is the way I've been doing it for a while now.
Maybe I'm doing it wrong or there is a better way of doing this.


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Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...

2008-06-23 Thread Howard Passman

lanierb;314344 Wrote: 
 I'm no techy, but even I know that you can setup DHCP and still use
 static IPs where you want.  Just setup the DHCP range outside the range
 of the static IPs.  IMO this will make your life much easier.

The only thing that makes this an issue is the fact that most of these
home routers are more like toys that real routers.  The issues are
usually with them.

Using static and DHCP on the same network or router is not an issue as
long as you do it correctly.

Bests,

Howard


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread tamanaco

Nonreality;314359 Wrote: 
  I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of
 the SC scan.

A few posts back I mentioned that maybe incorporating or adding some of
the functions of the SpiceFly Web UI in the MusicIP plugin or in the SC
basic settings page might save us a couple steps when adding new
validated tracks or when we want to change the MusicIP server settings.
Currently I have to use the MusicIP Windows client, SpiceFly's MusicIP
server Web UI and the SC Web UI.


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Re: [slim] Who to contact about bounces

2008-06-23 Thread dsendecki

Bounce e-mail (sometimes referred to as bounce mail) is electronic mail
that is returned to the sender because it cannot be delivered for some
reason.


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Re: [slim] Who to contact about bounces

2008-06-23 Thread snarlydwarf

BigBirdy;314332 Wrote: 
 A few months back my registration with discuss (AT) lists (DOT)
 slimdevices.com was 
 canceled due to bounces. I have now signed up again and I can see that
 I 
 still get messages from discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT)
 slimdevices.com. Can 
 anyone point me in the right direction to address this issue? I
 actually 
 see it on other mailing lists I subscribe to.
 
 Thanks :)

Many mailing list packages use a special return address with '-bounces'
as part of the name.

They do this so that bounces from full mailboxes etc don't go back to
the list itself, but to the list processing software to handle.

Like postal mail, SMTP has two 'From' addresses.  One is the one you
usually see in the 'From:' line, which for a mailing list is usually
the person who posted the mail.

The other is the SMTP-From, which is 'where to send error notices'.

As I said, it is like snail mail: the From: that most mail clients
display is equivalent to the return address on the letterhead.  It is
where you would send replies.  The SMTP-From is like the return address
on the envelope: where the post office sends undeliverable mail.

In short, if your mail headers show something like:


Code:


  From [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  (some other stuff)
  From: Fred Foo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  



Then all is normal.  Don't worry about it.

Replies to the mail (unless a Reply-To sends it elsewhere), will go to
Fred, errors getting it to your mailbox would have gone to
something-bounce.  It doesnt mean your mail is bouncing, just that the
list processor is correctly setting itself to process error messages
instead of Fred (who really doesnt want to know if 200 people on a
large mailing list have full mailboxes).


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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
What's wrong with putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag if you
are saying that you want this as the Album Artists name.
Nothing really wrong with doing that.  It's just a name after all.

However, I don't consider Various Artists to be an artist name; it's another 
miss-use of the tag.  I'd never need to set the album artist to Various 
Artists because SqueezeCenter does that automatically when the album is a 
compilation album.

Setting the album artist to Various Artists may also lead to inconsistencies 
in SqueezeCenter, because it displays compilation albums as belonging to an 
artist called Various Artists automatically.

Most applications have a mechanism for indicating that an album is a 
compilation album.  Even iTunes/iPod have a Compilation tag, and you can browse 
compilations.  This doesn't involve having an album artist.


I'm not sure what else you would put there if you sort by that.
Don't know what you mean exactly.

I wouldn't put anything in an album artist tag if there's not meant to be 
anything there.  If all songs are by the same performing artist, there's no 
need to have an album artist.  For a compilation album, songs will have 
different performing artists, and an album artist is not necessary, because 
it's a compilation; the software knows there are various artists, and the album 
is not owned by a single artist name.

As I said before, it would be better if there were a Browse Compilations, 
rather than Browse Artists  Various Artists (or whatever name has been entered 
in the Music Library setting When compilation albums are grouped together, 
they appear under Various Artists by default. You can change that name 
below.).

When browsing albums, compilation albums should be displayed by Various 
Artists (or the configered alternative name).  If sort by album artist is 
selected, it should sort by that name too.
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[slim] Second Duet Receiver

2008-06-23 Thread rossm

I have just taken delivery of my second receiver but I am having
intermittent connection problems.  I managed to register it with the
controller but it is constantly dropping the connection(blue) light.  I
have also connected it to my router via ethernet and it still drops the
connection.  I have checked that the router has assigned it an IP
address and I can ping it constantly.  My other receiver works like a
dream and haven't had any issues.

Has anyone else had problems connecting a second receiver?, I have a
suspicion that it's faulty.


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Re: [slim] Spicefly Syncer

2008-06-23 Thread Zevs

I guess no one else knows what htis does either :) :) :)

Zevs


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Re: [slim] Second Duet Receiver

2008-06-23 Thread snarlydwarf

rossm;314379 Wrote: 
 I have just taken delivery of my second receiver but I am having
 intermittent connection problems.  I managed to register it with the
 controller but it is constantly dropping the connection(blue) light.  I
 have also connected it to my router via ethernet and it still drops the
 connection.  I have checked that the router has assigned it an IP
 address and I can ping it constantly.  My other receiver works like a
 dream and haven't had any issues.
 
 Has anyone else had problems connecting a second receiver?, I have a
 suspicion that it's faulty.

Dropping the ethernet connection is odd: have you tried swapping the
two receivers?  It could be either a bad ethernet card or bad wiring..
if it follows the cable, then its a wiring issue.


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Re: [slim] 7.0.1 does not scan library at all

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Herger
 Did a clean install of the SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 on my MacBook Pro, which
 runs minimized.

There's been a bug in 7.0.1 which could break things on OSX. Please  
download 7.0.2

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Re: [slim] Second Duet Receiver

2008-06-23 Thread rossm

Thanks, already tried that, other receiver works fine when connected via
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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread BBear

Folks - could someone please explain to me why we need this TPE logic at
all. Over the last 2 years I have been following the guidelines for
ripping my music collection using EAC into flac files. These are stored
in the recommended ARTIST\ALBUM or VARIOS ARTIST\GENRE\ALBUM structure.
Until SC7.01 (I was fine with 7.0) multiple disc albums under the
VARIOUS ARTIST directory would group together no problem. However,
since 7.01 it seems this no longer happens:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7869 

From reading 'some' of this thread it seems that this is all due to
some new tag data being used for album artist?? What are we really
trying to achieve with this. What was wrong with the logic in SC7.0.
I'm really not trying to slow you all down but a simple explination
would be nice (if anyone is feeling generous... I realise you guys all
seem to be the experts shaping the future). For the humble (read
simple) end user it feels like we are going backwards here.

Thanks for reading me :-)


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Re: [slim] Wake on LAN and bridged networks

2008-06-23 Thread Black Pearl

I agree with the cost of running a pc 24/7 a WoL feature on the
Sqeezebox would be fantastic. At present I have to either go upstairs,
open a cupboard and prod the desktop into life (no real problem but
hardly in keeping with SB spontaneity) or fire up the laptop and use
Magic Packet Sender to get things running.


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[slim] New Wiki Posting Controls - Login Required

2008-06-23 Thread mvalera

In order to have a better (and, hopefully, spam-free) Wiki, we're
changing the wiki to require you to be logged in before making changes.
We're also changing the account creation to require a confirmation via
email before it is enabled.  

If you already have an account on the wiki, you'll need to confirm your
account before you can edit the wiki.

Mike


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Re: [slim] Report on powerline ethernet (five weeks later)

2008-06-23 Thread sebage

Another delighted powerline customer here. There is little more
frustrating than a drop out in the middle of your favorite song.
Wireless works great in my apartment for my laptops, but there is
nothing quite like a rock solid data connection for streaming to the
SB3. I'm not beating up on the squeezebox wireless card, just that it
doesn't work 100% of the time in my environment where Netstumbler finds
over 25 other competing networks.

I also run an SB1G and having that wired up is a must when you are
feeding it lossless files!


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[slim] UK plug adapter for Squeezebox controller cradle

2008-06-23 Thread gb115b

can i get a spare couple of these from somewhere?

any ideas...

i couldn't find the remote seperately (alreayd have 3 sueezeboxes) so
bought one from the us, but would like the proper plug for it as with
the adapter its too bulky...


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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread MrSinatra

Philip Meyer;314375 Wrote: 
 What's wrong with putting Various Artists in the Album Artist tag if
 you
 are saying that you want this as the Album Artists name.
 Nothing really wrong with doing that.  It's just a name after all.
 
 However, I don't consider Various Artists to be an artist name; it's
 another miss-use of the tag.  I'd never need to set the album artist to
 Various Artists because SqueezeCenter does that automatically when the
 album is a compilation album.
 
 Setting the album artist to Various Artists may also lead to
 inconsistencies in SqueezeCenter, because it displays compilation
 albums as belonging to an artist called Various Artists
 automatically.
 
 Most applications have a mechanism for indicating that an album is a
 compilation album.  Even iTunes/iPod have a Compilation tag, and you
 can browse compilations.  This doesn't involve having an album artist.

but there is more to the universe than just SC.  shocking, but true.

SC does set ALBUMARTIST in the DB as Various Artists automatically
(assuming conditions are met), thats true, and it marks it as a comp
too.

but if you use other apps too, this might not work for you.

Philip Meyer;314375 Wrote: 
 
 I'm not sure what else you would put there if you sort by that.
 Don't know what you mean exactly.
 
 I wouldn't put anything in an album artist tag if there's not meant to
 be anything there.  If all songs are by the same performing artist,
 there's no need to have an album artist.  For a compilation album,
 songs will have different performing artists, and an album artist is
 not necessary, because it's a compilation; the software knows there are
 various artists, and the album is not owned by a single artist name.

see above.

Philip Meyer;314375 Wrote: 
 As I said before, it would be better if there were a Browse
 Compilations, rather than Browse Artists  Various Artists (or whatever
 name has been entered in the Music Library setting When compilation
 albums are grouped together, they appear under Various Artists by
 default. You can change that name below.).

totally agree and excellent idea.

why does SC conflate an albums property, with how that album is named
(named via album artist?)

what i would do, is if something seems like a comp to SC, and there is
no album artist or TPE2 tag for it to use, it should then use the ALBUM
name, and set the COMP field in the positive.

i know you wouldn't like that phil, BUT what i am getting at here is i
think similar to what you are saying.  browse the property, not the
name.

Philip Meyer;314375 Wrote: 
 When browsing albums, compilation albums should be displayed by Various
 Artists (or the configered alternative name).  If sort by album artist
 is selected, it should sort by that name too.

i think there is a bug when doing Home-Artists-Various Artists.

and what do you mean 'if sort by album artist is selected?'


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Re: [slim] New site design

2008-06-23 Thread matmar10

sdhubbard;299530 Wrote: 
 I'm seeing the same problems with displacement of search and options
 boxes using Safari 3.1.1 and Firefox 3.0b5 on Mac OS X (the behaviour
 is the same in both browsers - it looks like about 80 pixels).
 
 Mousing over the Search This Thread box on the way to the Search box
 causes it to disappear, too - I have to go around it if I want the
 Search box to stay on screen.
 
 Steve

I FINALLY gave up on VBB support / forums and fixed this my own hackish
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[slim] SliMP3 Player For Sale

2008-06-23 Thread Bonesteel

Original SLiMP3 player for sale.  Thought I would post here before I go
Craigslist or eBay.  Works fine, I have simply upgraded to a Duet and
no longer need it.  Plus we're moving to London.  Anyhow - Includes the
original (Sony) remote, power supply, ethernet cable, and A/V cable.

$100 + shipping (in original box).

Contact me off list, obviously.  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

hello... i just got the controller and wanted to add it to my current
slimserver and squeezebox. but while reading and also trying i found
out, that the center and controller have to be on the same network
subnet/segment. 

in my case this is not possible, as my sqeezecenter is installed on a
server on the internet, ip 77.x.x.x .. and my local network is
192.168.1.x ... so are there any hacks, hints for forcing to connect
anway to 77.x.x.x and showing me the devices without using the
discovery. 

just as last detail, squeeze controller and squezzebox are on the same
(192.x.x) network. 

thanks for any advice


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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread NigelC

I used to have my library and Slimserver set up just how I like it -
Compilations were correctly listed under Various Artists and
contributing artists did not appear in the main list of Artists.  This
seems to have changed, now that I've moved to SC 7

The problem occurs when an album with a main artist has some tracks
where other artists contribute eg Santana's Supernatural with
contributing artists Eric Clapton, Eagle Eye Cherry, Lauryn Hill etc.

SC appears to treat this as a compilation, and lists the album under
Various Artists, though it does show the Artist as Santana (probably
because the Album Artist tag is set to Santana)

If I explicitly set the Compilation tag to 0, then SC stops treating it
as a compilation. However, it insists on including each contributing
artist in the artist list despite the setting of the option
List albums by band = Yes (and List Albums by All Artists for that
Album = No) and also Group compilation albums together = Yes


I'm running SC 7.0.1 19705, on Windows Vista Home Premium.
All my music is in FLAC ripped using dbPoweramp (various versions over
the last few years)

I have just re-ripped Supernatural using the latest dBPoweramp (V13
Reference) and this automatically sets Compilation=0 which is helpful.
It also sets Album Artist = Santana

But SC still lists all of the contributing artists, which is not what I
want.

So, how can I achieve the result I want (and used to have)? 
and
Is this a bug or is it the intended behaviour (for some weird reason)?

(I know I could delete the contributing artist tags but that would be
extra work and defeats the great metadata lookup in dBpoweramp)

(I did look at the WIKI page on tags, where it states that SC looks at
the BAND tag rather than ALBUM ARTIST in Flac files. Could someone in
the know confirm whether this is the case. I did try deleting the Album
Artist Tag and setting a Band tag but it made no difference to my
problem.)

Regards
Nigel


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Fletch

Klaus;314430 Wrote: 
 but while reading and also trying i found out, that the center and
 controller have to be on the same network subnet/segment.

Not true.  On the SBC, just go to Music Source-Other Server and enter
the IP address of your SC.  As long as a route exists and there are no
firewalls in the way, this should work fine.


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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread MrSinatra

BBear;314411 Wrote: 
 Folks - could someone please explain to me why we need this TPE logic at
 all.

not sure what you mean by that.  one thing is treat TPE2 as ALBUMARTIST
which is fairly straight forward.

the other thing is a function SC has of VA detection logic.

i contend we don't need the second thing except as an option.

BBear;314411 Wrote: 
 Over the last 2 years I have been following the guidelines for ripping
 my music collection using EAC into flac files. These are stored in the
 recommended ARTIST\ALBUM or VARIOS ARTIST\GENRE\ALBUM structure. Until
 SC7.01 (I was fine with 7.0) multiple disc albums under the VARIOUS
 ARTIST directory would group together no problem. However, since 7.01
 it seems this no longer happens:
 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7869

ok... 

BBear;314411 Wrote: 
 From reading 'some' of this thread it seems that this is all due to some
 new tag data being used for album artist??

i don't follow you here.  the only thing new is in using a MP3's TPE2
field to work as ALBUMARTIST, and thats totally optional, (and off by
default).

BBear;314411 Wrote: 
 What are we really trying to achieve with this. What was wrong with the
 logic in SC7.0. I'm really not trying to slow you all down but a simple
 explination would be nice (if anyone is feeling generous... I realise
 you guys all seem to be the experts shaping the future). For the humble
 (read simple) end user it feels like we are going backwards here.
 
 Thanks for reading me :-)

i think your issue has little to nothing to do with any of this, but i
could be wrong.

but what we are trying to do is figure out the best way for SC to
handle scanning of albums that have no album artist data and that
appear to be compilations.


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Re: [slim] Expanding my Music!!

2008-06-23 Thread bhaagensen

theorangeman;314368 Wrote: 
 
 1.  Would you recommend going with a separate amp and then just using
 regular speakers or just going the powerered speaker route?  I have to
 admit, I haven't done a lot of research on the topic so I'm not sure
 which direction would give me the best bang for the buck.
 
 1a.  If you recommend going with a separate amp, can you also recommend
 one that is pretty decent quality while at an affordable price?
 
 1b.  If you recommend going with the powerered speaker route and also
 considering that I only need bookshelf speakers, what would you
 recommend that again, is affordable but good sounding?  I've read about
 AudioEngine 2 speakers on the board, but have never listened to them. 
 Is there a better alternative?

In addition to the AudioEngine 2, there is also the AudioEngine 5, and
Aego M. I'd say that if you want to keep within the price range of said
speakers, you'd be hard pressed to find more bang for the buck.

Bjørn


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread egd

Nonreality;314359 Wrote: 
 I'm really looking forward to figuring out a speed up and automating of
 the SC scan.That's already addressed in the Wiki - assuming of course that 
 what
you're referring to is avoiding having SC rescan the entire library
when you edit/ add a track or album to your library and update MiP's
database/ cache?


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread egd

maggior;314328 Wrote: 
 I'm using Spicefly's web interface for headless MusicIP on Linux.  On
 this webpage, I don't see a reload cache button.  Also, I don't see
 in the API reference an API to reload the cache
 (http://www.musicip.com/mixer/httpprotocol.jsp).
 
 What is the actual API that is being used?  Is there an equivalent
 button that can be used on Spicefly's web interface?

FYI, Reload Cache will only appear (in Spicefly's or the default) HTTP
API page when MiP headless detects that the MiP library/ cache has
changed since it last read it.   Not sure what the API call is, the
HTML may inform you.


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

Fletch;314434 Wrote: 
 Not true.  On the SBC, just go to Music Source-Other Server and enter
 the IP address of your SC.  As long as a route exists and there are no
 firewalls in the way, this should work fine.

i tried this, the route exists (tested from pc in same network) and
firewall is configured correctly. but when i got player, i don't see
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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread egd

tamanaco;314365 Wrote: 
 When I get new CDs I rip them to my FLAC library, then I run the MusicIP
 Windows client to validate the new added tracks, after validation I
 start the SpiceFly Web UI (at this point Total Songs does not equal
 Validated Songs) and click reload cache.  My last step is to use the
 SC Web interface settings to add new and changed music. This is the way
 I've been doing it for a while now. Maybe I'm doing it wrong or there is
 a better way of doing this.It's the same principle I've employed using 
 Genpuid.

With Genpuid you can automate the process if required.


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
Klaus wrote:
 Fletch;314434 Wrote: 
 Not true.  On the SBC,
 
 i tried this, the route exists (tested from pc in same network) and
 firewall is configured correctly. but when i got player, i don't see
 any players

I had the same kinds of problems, which all went away when I put all the
computers on the same subnet. I think my router was not properly
forwarding the messages between subnets.

The obvious hack is to put an extra NIC on your server, connect it to
your inside the house subnet, and enjoy.


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Fletch

My home LAN has multiple subnets and it all works even with SBC, SB
players and SC all on different segments.  

Klaus, just to confirm a few simple things:
- Your post uses the terms slimserver and squeezecenter
interchangeably.  The SBC requires at least SC 7.0.
- The SBC never actually talks to the players - it just gets that info
from SC.  So if a player is listed as connected in the SC web UI, the
SBC should also see it.  If it doesn't, I'm not sure why...


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

pfarrell;314445 Wrote: 
 
 The obvious hack is to put an extra NIC on your server, connect it to
 your inside the house subnet, and enjoy.
 

thanks for your hint, but as SC is on the internet, i won't be able to
talk with private addresses over the internet


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

Fletch;314447 Wrote: 
 My home LAN has multiple subnets and it all works even with SBC, SB
 players and SC all on different segments.  
 
 Klaus, just to confirm a few simple things:
 - Your post uses the terms slimserver and squeezecenter
 interchangeably.  The SBC requires at least SC 7.0.
 - The SBC never actually talks to the players - it just gets that info
 from SC.  So if a player is listed as connected in the SC web UI, the
 SBC should also see it.  If it doesn't, I'm not sure why...

ok, i'm using SC 7.1, and as far as i have read, SC 7.1 makes some
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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Pat Farrell
Klaus wrote:
 thanks for your hint, but as SC is on the internet, i won't be able to
 talk with private addresses over the internet

I'm confused. Is the SC box not in your house?
Its trivial to have one server have two nics and two separate IP addresses.

If its not in your house, how can anything find it? It takes three ports
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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

maybe a detail, but i have no duet, i just have the SBC and the
Squeezebox Classic player


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread radish

Things to check:

1) The player(s) must be connected to the SC instance and must be
controllable via the web interface. If this doesn't work, fix it
first.
2) You must have open firewall ports for (at least) 9000  3483 between
the two nets, assuming you haven't changed any default ports. Must also
be routable (of course).
3) The SBC won't discover the server (and neither will the players -
see step 1!) but if you enter the IP manually it should connect.
4) Make sure the players aren't connected to SN.

If you still have issues please post back and let us know more
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Re: [slim] SliMP3 Player For Sale

2008-06-23 Thread mvalera

Please use eBay.

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Re: [slim] Spicefly Syncer

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

Zevs;314387 Wrote: 
 I guess no one else knows what htis does either :) :) :)
 
 Zevs
That is the intention of the program but it hasn't been updated for
Squeezecenter so I'm not sure if it works.  I went straight to the
Squeezecenter beta's when I started so I don't know if the executables
would be the same for scans.  Might be able to make it work but you
would need to talk to him about it.


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

pfarrell;314451 Wrote: 
 Klaus wrote:
  thanks for your hint, but as SC is on the internet, i won't be able
 to
  talk with private addresses over the internet
 
 I'm confused. Is the SC box not in your house?
 Its trivial to have one server have two nics and two separate IP
 addresses.
 
 If its not in your house, how can anything find it? It takes three
 ports
 to talk the SlimProtocols
 

;-) i have a root server outside somewhere in the internet. the ports
are routed trough the internet, that's no problem at all. but I can add
other nic's to the server, but still I can't route a private network
(e.g. 192.168.x.x) over the internet without any tunneling/vpn/etc


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Re: [slim] Spent 3 hours with tech support last night...

2008-06-23 Thread Nonreality

Howard Passman;314367 Wrote: 
 The only thing that makes this an issue is the fact that most of these
 home routers are more like toys that real routers.  The issues are
 usually with them.
 
 Using static and DHCP on the same network or router is not an issue as
 long as you do it correctly.
 
 Bests,
 
 HowardIt's a good thing that they're toys, just think of the problems you
could have had.  :)


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Re: [slim] Squeezecenter and Controller on different Subnets/Segments

2008-06-23 Thread Klaus

radish;314452 Wrote: 
 Things to check:
 
 1) The player(s) must be connected to the SC instance and must be
 controllable via the web interface. If this doesn't work, fix it
 first.
 2) You must have open firewall ports for (at least) 9000  3483 between
 the two nets, assuming you haven't changed any default ports. Must also
 be routable (of course).
 3) The SBC won't discover the server (and neither will the players -
 see step 1!) but if you enter the IP manually it should connect.
 4) Make sure the players aren't connected to SN.
 
 If you still have issues please post back and let us know more
 specifics about exactly what you're doing and what happens.

1) okay and using it daily without problems
2) firewall ports are open, double-checked
3) I agree, but when I enter the
4) verified and 200% sure

what i do is, I start the remote (connected to a test SC on my lan), I
go to settings - music source - other servers, add the same IP as i can
enter on my browser, e.g http://77.xx.xx.xx:9000 - then i try to click
the IP, but nothing happens .. it just scrolls a few pixel to the right
and then back again. 

i try to connect with SBC to classic squeezebox.


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread dvdit

I almost pulled the trigger today. But I think I rather wait till all
bugs are sorted out and proper installation guide is available. Heck, I
am not even sure if the sound quality is worth the set up hassle. Loving
my X5 in the mean time.


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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
why does SC conflate an albums property, with how that album is named
(named via album artist?)

what i would do, is if something seems like a comp to SC, and there is
no album artist or TPE2 tag for it to use, it should then use the ALBUM
name, and set the COMP field in the positive.

i know you wouldn't like that phil

I don't know, it seems like what you are suggesting is exactly how it works now?

If an album seems like a compilation (i.e. songs by different artists), and 
there is no album artist, then it is a compilation.


 When browsing albums, compilation albums should be displayed by Various
 Artists (or the configered alternative name).  If sort by album artist
 is selected, it should sort by that name too.

i think there is a bug when doing Home-Artists-Various Artists.

I don't think so - works fine for me.

and what do you mean 'if sort by album artist is selected?'
Isn't this how you usually browse your music in the webUI?  Browse Albums, with 
Sort By set to artist, album.  That artist is the album artist.
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Re: [slim] Various Artists Logic... is it necessary?

2008-06-23 Thread Phil Meyer
I have just re-ripped Supernatural using the latest dBPoweramp (V13
Reference) and this automatically sets Compilation=0 which is helpful.
It also sets Album Artist = Santana

I think you'll find that dbPowerAmp stores Album Artist in a band tag.

I have dbPowerAmp (don't use the ripper, only use it for converting FLAC to mp3 
for transfer to portable music player).

I just tried ripping a couple of tracks in dbPowerAmp, and set the Album Artist 
to Test.

I then loaded the songs into Foobar music player, and looked at the tag 
properties.  It says it has stored the tags in id3v2 format.  It reports the 
following:

Artist Name : Pink Floyd
Track Title : Careful With That Axe, Eugene
Album Title : Ummagumma
Date : 1969
Genre : Progressive Rock
Composer : 
Performer : 
Album Artist : 
Track Number : 2
Total Tracks : 4
Disc Number : 1
Total Discs : 2
Comment : 
BAND : Test

Note that Album Artist is blank, and a custom tag BAND has been used to 
store the value Test.

FLAC tag format can support proper Album Artist tags, but id3v2 was written by 
dbPowerAmp.  The tags were not readable in my usual tagging app Mp3Tag.  It 
said the tag format was id3v2, but couldn't read the tags.

Maybe the tag format and mapping of fields to tags is configurable in 
dbPowerAmp - I don't know, this was using the default settings, as I've never 
used it before and haven't changed any configuration options.

I tried ripping to mp3 format too, and it stored id3v2 format tags.  The Album 
Artist was stored in TPE2 (BAND).

You could confirm that SqueezeCenter is reading your tag as Band instead of 
Album Artist by browsing to a song in the webUI.  It should list the tag 
information it has read.  It will be saying Band: xxx instead of Album Artist: 
xxx.

But SC still lists all of the contributing artists, which is not what I want.

You need to set an Album Artist tag that SqueezeCenter understands, or if you 
have SqueezeCenter v7.1 there is now a new option to treat TPE2 as Album 
Artist, instead of Band.
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Re: [slim] No volume with SC 7.0.1

2008-06-23 Thread woodp

Not sure how to explain this, but I removed 7.0.1 from my system,
deleted the remaining slimserver files and rebooted Windows Home
Server.

Then I reinstalled v6.5.4 and the volume is back and the static is
gone. I would love to know what's so special about my setup ... But for
now I'm staying away from v7!


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread radish

MrSinatra;313895 Wrote: 
 
 again, i respect SC and i'm not saying it should be thrown overboard,
 but why force it to be the only solution?
Who's forcing it to be the only solution? All the protocols are open,
you've got SC as a reference implementation, go ahead and make your
own. Saying that Logitech should build an alternative to SC is one
thing, but to imply that SC is the only _possible_ solution is entirely
wrong. There's at least one other server implementation that I know of
(not that I'd recommend it!), and I've even thought about writing one
myself.


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[slim] Open SqueezeCenter greyed out

2008-06-23 Thread Bon

On my home network I have two pc's running XP SP3 and Microsoft OneCare.
Both WERE fine and working normally. However, as time goes on and the
updates from Microsoft keep rolling in, one of the pc's SqueezeCenter
won't start.

The bad pc launches the SqueezeCenter and the icon shows in the
system tray. Hovering over it reveals that the SqueezeCenter is
stopped. I have configured ports and protocols in both machines the
same way with port 9000 enabled as TCP and port 3483 enabled as
TCP/UDP. I re-installed SqueezeCenter 7.0.1 but this didn't fix it.

I have used OneCare for a couple of years and don't have any other
firewalls or anti-virus programs in place.

Any other stronger measures that I can take to fix this?


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Re: [slim] Open SqueezeCenter greyed out

2008-06-23 Thread Bon

After just reinstalling 7.0.1 to no avail, I uninstalled 7.0.1 and then
reinstalled it again to get a fresh start. Now things are again
working. I didn't change anything in my Microsoft OneCare firewall or
anything else. I didn't even reboot to get things working; just
uninstalled and reinstalled. Hope this helps someone!


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread JohnnyLightOn

Integrating SC and MusicIP is way, WAY too complicated at present.  It's
ridiculous in its complexity and its inelegance.

I'm an expert user, have done programming, etc., and after a couple
hours of messing around with this, still haven't been able to get it to
work.  Never mind why, I'm sure if I kept at it after another couple
hours it might work (then stop working, then miraculously start
working, etc.).

Please understand that I appreciate the effort here, but honest
feedback needs to be given.  Here is what needs to be changed for this
to be anything but one giant unprofessional, embarrassing kludge:

- However musicip is to be installed, whether it be a gui program,
headless, a service with no running program, etc., it should be
completely installed and configured for SC after running a simple
installation program.

- It should make no difference in what order SC and musicip load. 
None.  To have to figure out which one must load first is a headache
users should not have to deal with.  This can be fixed in SC, or better
in the musicip SC plugin.

These are only two changes.  None of the above is anything unusual. 
The most niche programs from the smallest software companies do it like
this. 

Sorry for the rant, but this is a big waste of peoples' time at the
moment and only the most sophisticated and determined users will use
it.  It would be so much more productive to do the work on the
developers' end.  The result would be a tenfold increase in users - and
hopefully in business to the musicip folks.


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Re: [slim] MusicIP Rocks!

2008-06-23 Thread egd

JohnnyLightOn;314487 Wrote: 
 Integrating SC and MusicIP is way, WAY too complicated at present.  It's
 crazy in its complexity and difficulty.There's really nothing complicated 
 about it, there are just a few must
have conditions that will make or break it and they're addressed in the
Wiki entry.  If you follow them step by step you will get a working
integration, regardless of platform.  90% of what's in the Wiki is
aimed at helping explain how MiP works (eg analysis  options/how to do
it, archiving tags etc.) rather than being instructions to set it up

JohnnyLightOn;314487 Wrote: 
 These are only two changes. Neither is anything unusual. The most niche
 programs from the smallest software companies do it like this, and they
 would not survive if they didn't. (I guess there should be a third
 change: it has to work without much additional effort for most people.)SC and 
 MiP are two independent programs that were written without one
another in mind.  I agree the integration can be a lot tighter etc.
and I suspect (perhaps incorrectly) that over time the level of
sophistication may well increase and a lot of the stuff one needs to
do will just be taken care of.  For the moment though, it is what it
is, SC works fine without MiP and visa versa - if you take the trouble
to integrate them the results are worthwhile


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread pablolie

i am a huge SB3 fan.

my Duet experience is very lukewarm. the receiver works well. the
controller is a problem, and it has nothing to do with documentation -
the wireless behavior is erratic, and there are many users reporting
such issues. i have gone for many of the suggested workarounds (power
settings etc), but i refuse to change a wireless Linksys router that is
only a few months old and has always worked flawlessly with a large
array of devices, from pc's with different OS's to Iphones to 4
different SB3s, and more.

something is weird about the controller's wireless capabilities, the
evidence is quite overwhelming when cruising the forums. i wish it was
different.

i have demoted the Duet to where it does little damage - secondary duty
in the bedroom system. it's not what i had in mind given the expense,
however the last thing i want to do when i am in an audiophile mood to
listen to *music* is to troubleshoot and work around wireless issues.
thus the duet is not an option for my main system, and i will not
recommend it to friends. unlike the SB3, which i have wholeheartedly
recommended for years, and have converted many people to.


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[slim] Using a Harmony remote to automatically select correct digi input on Transporter

2008-06-23 Thread george_k

I'm trying to setup my Harmony 550 to do the following:

1- Turn on DVD player (which acts as my cd player)
2- Turn on Transporter and select appropriate Digital input
(Transporter acting as DAC)
3- Turn on amplifier and select input AUX

Step 2 is proving difficult for me. 

I can't figure out how to automate the up/down, left/right menu
scrolling to get to the correct input plus the pressing of the play
button to enable DAC output.

Has anybody figured it out?


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread dvdit

pablolie;314492 Wrote: 
 i am a huge SB3 fan.
 
 my Duet experience is very lukewarm. the receiver works well. the
 controller is a problem, and it has nothing to do with documentation -
 the wireless behavior is erratic, and there are many users reporting
 such issues. i have gone for many of the suggested workarounds (power
 settings etc), but i refuse to change a wireless Linksys router that is
 only a few months old and has always worked flawlessly with a large
 array of devices, from pc's with different OS's to Iphones to 4
 different SB3s, and more.
 
 something is weird about the controller's wireless capabilities, the
 evidence is quite overwhelming when cruising the forums. i wish it was
 different.
 
 i have demoted the Duet to where it does little damage - secondary duty
 in the bedroom system. it's not what i had in mind given the expense,
 however the last thing i want to do when i am in an audiophile mood to
 listen to *music* is to troubleshoot and work around wireless issues.
 thus the duet is not an option for my main system, and i will not
 recommend it to friends. unlike the SB3, which i have wholeheartedly
 recommended for years, and have converted many people to.

Thank you. That was a very helpful info. I guess I will read up more on
the SB3.


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread egd

pablolie;314492 Wrote: 
 i have demoted the Duet to where it does little damage - secondary duty
 in the bedroom system. it's not what i had in mind given the expense,
 however the last thing i want to do when i am in an audiophile mood to
 listen to *music* is to troubleshoot and work around wireless issues.
 thus the duet is not an option for my main system, and i will not
 recommend it to friends. unlike the SB3, which i have wholeheartedly
 recommended for years, and have converted many people to.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.  As another user put it, I'm
a geek, but of the I don't have the time to deal with that shit
(pardon my French) variety. 

Nothing, and I mean nothing, is more infuriating that settling down to
listen to something you've been looking forward to only to find you
have to deal with that shit.


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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread tyler_durden

It seems to me that the SBC definitely has a problem.  My beta test
hardware works fine but the final product won't stay connected beyond
about 15 feet from the router, and this is supposed to be an
improvement in range over the beta test hardware.  Both units are
running the same software version.

There is a real hardware problem here that needs to be fixed.

TD


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Re: [slim] Duet review on Notebookreview

2008-06-23 Thread Nostromo

Thank you for quoting me, but from what I've read, it would seem that
your Controller is defective. My Squeezebox never gave me shit. When I
encountered major problems, it was 99 times out of 100 the wireless
network's fault. And since I upgraded from ADSL to cable, all my
wireless problems disappeared. What an amazing little device! I wonder,
did you get your Controller to work? If not, have you contacted support?
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Re: [slim] Open SqueezeCenter greyed out

2008-06-23 Thread Michael Herger
 working. I didn't change anything in my Microsoft OneCare firewall or

You might need to configure the firewall to allow for incoming traffic on  
ports 9000, 3483.

Michael
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Re: [slim] Controller Wireless Reception

2008-06-23 Thread shake-the-disease

My 2c suggestion is to consider adding an airport express (as a WDS) in
the same room as your controller to extend the range of your main
wireless network.


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