Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
agillis wrote: Your VortexBox can play directly to your DAC! You don't need a SqueezeBox. Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? johnnydarko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Great post and I agree. I for one will stick around as I do use mainly the offline functionality. Would support an offiline fork as I can. I guess the fork doesn't need to happen immediately as LMS may still be supported in bug fix mode by the Logitech guys. We also need to think about what the closed source parts of the firmware are and if we need it? Is it essential stuff? I don't know? lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
I have read (skimmed) the very long thread. I agree with the contents of this thread. There is no immediate risk to Squeezebox as we use it. Watch and wait - that's my plan. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So will there be any new products with Digital Outs.....
You can do this pretty much with any small form factor pc. You could slap together a small silent PC with rapsberry pi with digital audio out via USB sound for probably $100. You could run linux and squeezeslave/squeezeplay on it and then you have a squeezebox with all the regular offline music capabilities. No screen, but you could run it to your TV and that should give you a nice big screen. Use an app on your phone for a remote though. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96205 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Erland, regarding redistribution of LMS - I thought it was licensed under one of the GPL licences. Doesn't that permit distribution? Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I will be running LMS that supports local music playback and erland's plugins until my touches and SB3s die. If nothing better comes along I'll replace with small form factor silent pcs with digital outs, running squeezeslave or squeezeplay. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Another thought: Squeezeslave and squeezeplay will become more important. For example peeps may replace there hardware with small silent pcs running these. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
erland wrote: In reality, it's not legally possible for anybody except for Logitech to make the LMS nor firmware binaries available for download, you can obviously do it but you would violate the license and take the risk of being sued by Logitech and/or its partners. However, keeping a local backup for yourself is of course ok as long as you don't re-distribute it. Why would that be? I can understand about the firmware. If it contains closed source parts, then no, we cannot redistribute it. LMS is another matter. This is open source, and everyone has the right to redistribute it. The name might be a problem. Certainly Logitech Media Server is not allowed, because it contains a trademarked name. LMS might be allowed. The old name Squeezebox Server might be allowed. Whilst Squeezebox is registered, using it as part of a name is not necessarily not allowed, since it is software to serve a Squeezebox (but this explanation might be pushing it). (Interestingly, the name Squeezebox is also registered as Adult sexual aids, namely, artificial vagina; and medical apparatus used for the treatment of erectile dysfunction) In fact, if Logitech takes a step down in the development, transforming this into a true community project might have some positive sides. A lot of open bugs are in the open source code, and these can finally be fixed in a community version. lrossouw wrote: We also need to think about what the closed source parts of the firmware are and if we need it? Is it essential stuff? I don't know? Not an expert here, but I think the firmware contains Linux, drivers for the (touch) screen, drivers for the sound card, and codecs for the different sound formats. 505's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
There is no reason to toss the SBs out of your home yet. Local playback will always work via a local server, if newer NAS are not supported, simply run LMS on a MiniPC with something like squeezeplug. The real problem is, online functionality. Will online services continue to work. Like Spotify etc. Also if one was planning to get more players to set them up around the house, does one really want to invest into an extinct productline? The really stupid thing is that the new player will not be compatible, syncable with the old players - which is the biggest problem. I for now am happy with my squeezeboxen, but yes I wonder what will happen once one of my boxes breaks down or functionality is limited. For me there is no real alternative to the SBs at the moment. Maybe Sonos will finally update a player and get up to speed, but probably not. Why should they, they are moreless the only ones on the market. Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then none of the streaming companies will get our cash... Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Squeezemenicely wrote: Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then none of the streaming player companies will get our cash... I believe this may be the reason why Logitech have killed the SB. It is actually too much struggle around the product line, this forum being one big evidence :-) For those who likes to fuzz with computers/NAS/network/the like, why not a dedicated PC/Mac at your musical system? And a simplier solution (like the new radio) for those who prefer to listen to music? It IS said that the new radio kan pick the music from your computer, so one kind of LMS must be there. Maybe something simplier and that really works? / B Bill50x's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I registered at the UE website - the server software is available for Mac and Windows (XP and later), but not for Linux. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I envy those who feel content to let their Squeezeboxen plod along with local access and limited functionality. Naturally those who are concerned by the potential loss of online services are most likely to be those who use them currently, but I think for many of us our expectations are slightly different... One of the things that initially appealed to me when I got my first SB was the -extensibility-. When the first Squeezeboxes hit the shelves there was little notion of online streaming services, social music services and the like. The amazing thing about the Squeezebox line has been it's ability to adapt to the changes in the way we listen to music, and to allow existing SB owners to benefit from these changes. Even now, Rhapsody and Spotify won't be the last word in online music services and we're likely to see new and novel services appear in the future as the music industry (finally) comes into the 21st Century. What -has- changed now, is that we can't (smugly) rest on our laurels knowing that our Squeezeboxes will reap the benefits of these changes, thanks to a savvy purchase oh-so-many years ago and some funding that we can't really claim our initial purchase to have supported. My expectations of the Squeezebox remain the same, even in the face of this news, but now we can't rely on Logitech to meet those expectations; it falls to us as Squeezebox users. I would genuinely like to be involved, in whatever small way, in keeping the Squeezebox alive. Mostly because I'm buggered if I'm going to fork out for a replacement. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Well, my usage of my squeezeboxes is variable. - The Squeezebox Radio in the bedroom is almost exclusively used to listen to BBC Radio streams, and only occasionally other streams or my music collection. - The Squeezebox Radio in the kitchen is used for BBC Radio, but also to stream my music (more so than the bedroom SBR) - The Squeezebox Touch connected to the HiFi is principally used for playing the music collection, and only occasionally for playing radio stations. (I also have an SB3 recently replaced by the Touch). So, for me, I will puddle along until such time as the SBRs can no longer receive the radio streams I like. Since I don't use MSB.com, this would likely be a consequence of LMS plugins not being updated to match changes to the radio streams. At that point I might convert the SBRs to the new UE version (I think this is a firmware upgrade). But I will keep the Touch going as a music player via LMS. The new UE Server is not suitable for me, as I need to run it on a Linux NAS at the moment. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major class action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue mysqueezebox.com?. No, as long as they provide the promised services for a certain time period for newly sold hardware. Example: Radio/Touch come with a two year warranty, so if they keep MySB.com functional for the next two years they are likely in the clear as this would be considered a reasonable service period for promised services. My hunch is we will see MySB.com for at least three years. At what level of service it will be maintained is another question. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
johnnydarko wrote: Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els, Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz. And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
The Apple Airport Express (£79) has all the hardware in it to do the work of a Squeezebox Receiver. I am guessing that running LMS, Squeezeplay and Airfoil http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/ would achieve all; but a single Squeezebox-Airplay App would be neater. But what I have is working, and is likely to for two years or more. I will take life as it comes. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
pippin wrote: Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els, Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz. And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS. johnnydarko wrote: Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Squeezeslave Note: VortexBox Player will play FLAC files without gaps, but only when it is controlled by mpd, not SqueezeBox Server. See Using VortexBox Player with MPod or MPaD bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NecroBox: What Next?
agillis wrote: We already have out own fork of LMS and we intend to keep it running for as long as possible. With VortexBox player there will always be a SqueezeBox compatible player available. I'm not sure about mysqueezebox.com we will have to see how long that stays around. The licensing agreements Logitech has with third party providers may be hard to replicate. Have you got all necessary rights to redistribute that? Have you stripped the proprietary content or do you have a license from Logitech? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96195 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
HI, I'm having some problems with a squeezeslave installation, especially with slightly loosing sync and loosing output completely. I would like to provide more details and also debug information. Where would you like to open this tickets and what details do you need? (eg. Debug-levels) I posted some installation details here: DIY - Squeeze house installation benno's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57012 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
LMS does not need MySB.com to play basic URL's, like those saved or input into your LMS Favorites. But you will lose menu navigation of everything within Internet Radio and My Apps absent MySB.com. The other issue is subscription services handled by MySB.com (account login and management). You can emulate what LMS life will be like without MySB.com by simply removing your MySB.com login info (or enter bogus login info) within LMS MySB.com. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] So when's the fire sale, Logitech?
...Just asking :-) simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96211 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So when's the fire sale, Logitech?
I waited for one when the Boom discontinued, but it never happened. At least not that I found. Towards the end of availability, prices sky rocketed on Amazon. ajkidle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18929 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96211 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So when's the fire sale, Logitech?
ajkidle wrote: I waited for one when the Boom discontinued, but it never happened. At least not that I found. Towards the end of availability, prices sky rocketed on Amazon. I recall that too. The booms were selling for crazy prices. And I'm not sure how they do a fire sale when in many countries they've removed squeezebox products from their website alltogether. I bought a TOUCH ($239) and a RADIO ($149) on amazon yesterday as backups. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96211 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So when's the fire sale, Logitech?
Still have a few SB3s and a Boom procured from Circuit City's closing sale for cheap. Should be set for awhile... syburgh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14239 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96211 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NecroBox: What Next?
gharris999 wrote: Start our own forum/wiki somewhere? As I've posted elsewhere, I have no plans to move to something else until I can't do with my SB stuff, what I can do today. And in fact I've bought a couple of players to add to the backup units I already had. However, I've been a bit concerned about this forum issue since logitech started the official' forums at: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/bd-p/squeezeboxplayers I have a couple of concerns. First is that it would really be a shame to lose the ability to search this forum. I've learned a tremendous amount on this forum. But once the forum is gone, I suspect there is no easy way to port the threads and history to a new location/owner. A shame. Second, I too am hopeful that they'll keep this forum alive for a reasonable length of time. But it also seems (as has happened with other products/forums) that we will NOT get some sort of warning about future closing. I suspect the end of this forum will simply be clicking on the link one day and getting a site not found from your browser. So I ponder where we remaining squeezenuts gather on the web to regroup. It reminds me of being a small kid at the Texas State Fair and my parents telling me that if I get lost, we should plan to meet at the foot of Big Tex (a giant statue in the middle of the fair grounds). So where will our Big Tex be located on the web. I see some of you posting at vortexbox, the official logitech forums, or even mp3tag or dbpa. But those forums are not really replacements for a squeezebox-centric discussion. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96195 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why? no change it aint dead. Just like HDDVD aint dead. it all works just fine so why change anything? nicklouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Curious as to this, myself. I'm not being all 'chicken little' here. But if mysb.com shuts down in 2 years, will my Touch and Radios still work at all after a reboot? If I need to grab a spare player, should it be a Classic, or a Touch? I'm pretty pissed about this development I use the Live365 plugin every single day. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] So when's the fire sale, Logitech?
I don't expect a fire sale from Logitech. Why sell more product that depends for use on a back-end that you'd like to discontinue at some point? Also, in the case of the SB radio, selling the current model at slashed prices wouldn't help the new UE in getting off to a strong start in the marketplace. We may see some sales from other retailers or liquidators IF those of us who are Squeezebox fans don't buy up all the remaining stock in the pipeline. There may be demand such that higher prices are more likely than slashed ones. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96211 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I'm not sure what to do, buy a spare unit or not. Especially since I'm moving to a bigger house in a couple of months and might find some good use for an additional player then. We've seen that SB models got very expensive in the past once the stocks dried out, so buying a Touch right now won't be a bad investment anyway. But it might very well be that Logitech is actually thinking of releasing a successor to the Touch. At least that's what I'm guessing, since the Logitech employee in the other thread seems to be rather open on many things, but seems to have some sort of NDA in regard to a new Touch or any other new products that may or may not be released. At this point I have to little information to know wether the new platform will be something I'm willing to go for. I don't use mysb.com, so that's easy enough for me (though I realize it's a big pain for many of the people here). I didn't do much with the plugins available either, so that it becomes more closed is not so much of an issue either. The main criteria will be if Pippin is able to create a app that can control the system in a way like we're used to now. The main issue for me seems to be: can Touch devices that were released during the SBS/LMS-era be firmware-upgraded to work in the new UE-era or not and if so, will you still be able to use iOS/Android devices as a means of controlling them, without being tied to the apps that Logitech releases themselves? hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I have a Radio, SB2 and Classic in use, and another boxed Classic as a spare (I also have an SB1 that is in storage, but don't really consider it a spare given some hardware/firmware limitations). I'm torn between picking up another spare and biting the bullet -- trying to sell off my equipment and looking for alternatives. Beyond local library playback, I'm concerned about Logitech's ongoing support for online services, which I've come to rely upon to some extent and which do require periodic updates/fixes. I'm going to let the emotions subside a bit before I decide. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
erland wrote: In my opinion this is probably the most important part, mirroring information to some other place is very easy compared to gather a new community with people with similar knowledge/experience as this one. The people are worth a lot more than the information itself, the information can always be recreated, it's a lot harder to find people with similar experience/knowledge as the current community members. It's also important to remember that it's only part of the knowledge that's specific to the Squeezebox, a lot of the knowledge is usable and very valuable also on other music streaming hardware platforms. I agree. This is the most important thing to maintain/recreate. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server with your local music. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: ...but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the moment What are you up to erland? :) erland wrote: Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? I'd pay something small for LMS + squeezslave+squeezeplay. No streaming services available in South Africa (probably true for many non-US non-EU regions). Maybe for last.fm scrobbling and maybe google music integration (sync and play), which I managed to get working here (but not technically allowed), but would love to integrate with LMS. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. I would definitely pay a one-time or annual fee for future squeezebox related services. This would include helping (financially) to maintain a squeezebox community forum on the web. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. lrossouw wrote: I'd pay something small for LMS + squeezslave+squeezeplay. No streaming services available in South Africa (probably true for many non-US non-EU regions). Maybe for last.fm scrobbling and maybe google music integration (sync and play), which I managed to get working here (but not technically allowed), but would love to integrate with LMS. What is exactly controlled by mySB.com, and how? As I understood it, it's just a broker (or phone book, or whatever comparison). For radio stations, it just holds the libraries of all URLs. The actual stream comes from the radio station server. The same for Spotify/MOG/etc. It's just an interface between Squeezebox and the service, but does not send any actual data. And scrobbling is handled by LMS directly to last.fm, without mySB.com as an intermediary? And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn could sove the radio part. In that sense, the bandwidth requirements per user for something like mySB.com should be quite low, not? And thus the costs per user? 505's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Considering all the clever plugins availabe (which is one of the things that makes the SB system so impressive) I wouldn't be all that surprised to see someone coming up with a plugin or somesuch that made at least some online services available to SB users even after MySB is dropped, perhaps by mimicking a new Radio towards the new backend. Someone used the term proxy and that sums it up pretty good I think. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
505 wrote: And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn could sove the radio part. LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently of sb.com? The Tunein app uses sb.com and has an additional feature not available in the plugin - Presets (favourites). An updated plugin could surely allow for account details to enable Presets too ... ? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
toby10 wrote: SB players will continue to function as they do now if using LMS server with your local music. How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is to connect to mysb.com. SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NecroBox: What Next?
gharris999 wrote: So...for those of us with significant Squeezebox hardware investments who plan on trying to keep them alive, what should we do next? Try and bring back Sean to the game ? Keeping the current SBs alive is not, I think, a strong enough proposition. It's a response to FUD, FUD will subside in time, and I don't feel this community has much control over time. What we need is a continuation plan + a mission statement on the development of new players. This I think, would be a proposition more suited to retain the current user base. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96195 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NecroBox: What Next?
pippin wrote: Have you got all necessary rights to redistribute that? Have you stripped the proprietary content or do you have a license from Logitech? Well, with its recent actions Logitech has declared war to its user community. In times of war everthing is allowed ;) pz1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51957 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96195 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] NecroBox: What Next?
erland wrote: Let's not panic *yet*. Allright. Say when. :) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96195 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
SamS wrote: How are you going to set up a Touch or Radio? One of the first steps is to connect to mysb.com. By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;) But should this be needed - Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server. - I believe both Touch Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
toby10 wrote: By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;) But should this be needed - Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server. - I believe both Touch Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated I see. Maybe I need to buy a spare Touch/Radio/Transporter. Ouch! SamS's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support many of the other services that are currently available? And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like that... hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support many of the other services that are currently available? And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like that... You are correct I believe. But the information thus far is that there are not any plans for anything equivalent to the current TOUCH (that is, a player that can connect to your stereo with analog line out, or to your DAC with optical, S/PDIF, or USB). The Smart Radio they are releasing has only a headphone out. (and even with such connections, the current radio plays only 24/48, rather than the 24/96 (or even 24/192 with EDO). So if you are a user that only uses a Radio for mostly listening to internet radio and online services, along with some of your own music, then the new radio will likely work just fine. And your existing radios can even be converted with firmware to work with the same system. Any existing TOUCH, SB3, Transporter, etc. are reported as not being able to be converted with firmware to the new system. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Now that Logitech has destroyed the Squeezebox product line,will someone with the capabilities of Sean Adams pick up the pieces and continue to develop this product?What is the likelihood of that? Slim Devices rises from the ashes? I don't think this is the situation that Sean envisioned or when he sold the company to Logitech. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
The main difference as far as I can see is that the UE system is not compatible with the existing LMS system - you have to add another server to get music access. Apparently, it will be possible to install the UE firmware on an SB Radio - but I understood this is a one-way street - you won't be able to revert to the SB system. I'm more concerned about the impact on devices like the Touch. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support many of the other services that are currently available? And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like that... From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket) 2. The UE Music Library software doesn't run on Linux, so I can't run it on my QNAP as I do LMS Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: There's not a HiFi quality player Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as us. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as us. But Logitech has now purchased Ultimate Ears. The old UE users seem to be no more happy with the new Logitech branded UE items than we seem to be with new UE Smart Radio. Logitech may not ruin UE, as headphones are a little easier to market to users than the notion of a whole-house networked audio system. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: I registered at the UE website (www.uesmartradio.com) - the server software (UE Music Library), is available for Mac and Windows (XP and later), but not for Linux. Robert Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked to generate a PIN -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function. chenrikson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as us. And they say this on their main web page (forgive the capitalisation, I just pasted it - so it's their capitalisation): WE DON'T JUST LOVE MUSIC, WE LIVE FOR IT. EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN SERVICE TO THE MUSIC. OUR RELENTLESS COMMITMENT TO HONOURING MUSIC DRIVES US TO PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OF AUDIO ENGINEERING, WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY, AND INDUSTRIAL DESIGN. ALL TO CREATE PRODUCTS THAT DELIVER MUSIC TO YOUR EARS IN ITS PUREST, MOST UNDILUTED FORM. POWER TO THE MUSIC Ironically, just as all the Squeezebox references were being taken down from the website one by one, I was actually browsing the UE headphone range! Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Yes, bring back Slim Devices. My silver SB3 with SlimDevices logo still outperform everything else out there. bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Any chance it will be possible to to install UE firmware on the touch? asplundj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the posts by this Logitech employee (Michael if I recall correctly?), you can definately see he's on some sort of NDA, so he can't provide any info on upcoming devices. Why would they do that if they're not planning on doing so? Again, all speculation, but I just can't see the sense in Logitech doing it otherwise... hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
bernt wrote: Yes, bring back Slim Devices. My silver SB3 with SlimDevices logo still outperform everything else out there. I beg to differ. MY silver SB3 is the best. :) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the posts by this Logitech employee (Michael if I recall correctly?), you can definately see he's on some sort of NDA, so he can't provide any info on upcoming devices. Why would they do that if they're not planning on doing so? Again, all speculation, but I just can't see the sense in Logitech doing it otherwise... My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to work with the UE Smart Radio. And I think it is true that Logitech sold more SB Radios than any of their other players, including the Touch. I have friends with the Radio and they don't understand why anyone would want to have a big stereo system anymore (I disagree, but then I'm a dinosaur). And I suspect a lot of the market these days is like that. Many people just want a smartphone dock w/speakers and maybe something like a SB Radio/Boom. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] 2 Inputs 1 speaker set
Hi, I have several classic squeezeboxes near my PC. I don't like the fact that I have to use two speaker sets i.e. for the PC and the SB. Is there not a way to connect the PC and the Squeezebox at the same time to the same speakerset? At the moment i have the logitech Z2300 THe only way I was thinking it could be possible would be if the motherboard has an SPDIF input. What are your thougths?? jordi.c's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96214 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their 128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock. R Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket) Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been said that there won't be a Touch as we know it that is a rebranded Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products will be added to the line, what they will be like is of course another matter. But if you decide to introduce a new line with only one player, I think it makes sense to begin with the Radio considering that the hardware was readily available and that it's the most popular model, hence more likely to rapidly get a bit of momentum for the product line. Grumpy Bob wrote: From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 2. The UE Music Library software doesn't run on Linux, so I can't run it on my QNAP as I do LMS It's not in the marketing blurbs no, but as has already been confirmed it does run on Linux. Unless you have to replace your SB devices today there's no need to worry too much about what shortcomings the new line has, a lot of it is likely to be remedied before a replacement is due. Also, while we may feel gutted that Logitech killed the SB, giving the new products a bad rap is counterproductive. I suspect that the continued support for SB have more to gain from a success of the UEML-stuff than a failure. After all it's the same people that's behind both products, if the new stuff sell they will be around, if it bombs they may be shut down and canned replies from first line support is all that remains. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their 128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock. It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with sound. What next? Go back to 14 TVs in the corner of the room? simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
alfista wrote: Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been said that there won't be a Touch as we know it that is a rebranded Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products will be added to the line, what they will be like is of course another matter. But if you decide to introduce a new line with only one player, I think it makes sense to begin with the Radio considering that the hardware was readily available and that it's the most popular model, hence more likely to rapidly get a bit of momentum for the product line. It's not in the marketing blurbs no, but as has already been confirmed it does run on Linux. Unless you have to replace your SB devices today there's no need to worry too much about what shortcomings the new line has, a lot of it is likely to be remedied before a replacement is due. Also, while we may feel gutted that Logitech killed the SB, giving the new products a bad rap is counterproductive. I suspect that the continued support for SB have more to gain from a success of the UEML-stuff than a failure. After all it's the same people that's behind both products, if the new stuff sell they will be around, if it bombs they may be shut down and canned replies from first line support is all that remains. Yeah, I would expect a device with digital or analogue outputs to be forthcoming at some point. I think the Radio will be really nice - after all, the SBR is! I haven't really seen a decent description of how the server operates, but I haven't seen any reference to a Linux version - it's available to download for Mac and Windows only. The iOS/Android app look really rather nice from the screenshots. TBH, I'm tempted to reversion one of my SBRs to UER to see how it works - and i would do if there was a way of returning it to SBR afterwards. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with sound. What next? Go back to 14 TVs in the corner of the room? Hmm. Or perhaps 14 computer monitors? Or Smartphone screens? Those TVs in the corner were pretty big in comparison. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to work with the UE Smart Radio. And I think it is true that Logitech sold more SB Radios than any of their other players, including the Touch. I have friends with the Radio and they don't understand why anyone would want to have a big stereo system anymore (I disagree, but then I'm a dinosaur). And I suspect a lot of the market these days is like that. Many people just want a smartphone dock w/speakers and maybe something like a SB Radio/Boom. I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, really? R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2 Inputs 1 speaker set
What inputs do the speakers have? I took a look at a few product pages, but I couldn't find that info. Also, note that if you didn't run them through some sort of input switch/pre-amp you would want to be careful not to be sending signals simultaneously from the pc and the SB. aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96214 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, really? I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they have an basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you describe are dwindling in favour of convenience. Just like your TV-to-smartphone comparison. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major class action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue mysqueezebox.com? After all, some folks,like me, purchased their products on the condition that this service existed and would provide radio services ,otherwise they would not have purchased the product. My entire setup at my office would not work as I have a Touch which is always connected to mysqueezebox .we have no computers,just tablets at my office so I can't run LMS . I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives. I suspect there will be something in the works on this. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they have a basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you describe are dwindling in favour of convenience. Just like your TV-to-smartphone comparison. I think those rich people with the speaker dock were the same ones with the crappy console record player back in the day. Not the ones with the state of the art reel to reel player, quality turntable and big speakers. Of course, there is no doubt that things have changed in big ways, but I just don't believe that quality of sound reproduction will disappear as a value. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives. I suspect there will be something in the works on this. R. Your more optimistic than me then. I reckon 2 years then they plug the plug, I can't see them providing an alternative to MySB.com for 1 second. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 2 Inputs 1 speaker set
My speakers have additional line-in for additional input. If you don't have that you may find a y-connector for line-out to speakers and try that. Not sure if will do something funny to sound though: http://www.amazon.com/Philips-3-5mm-Stereo-Adapter-Jacks/dp/B0002ZPF3U You could run the squeeze through the line-in of the pc back out the speakers? This should merge pc audio and line-in if you have right settings. Could run a software player on the pc and control it with the physical player (oops I see have classics, this will only work with touch)? lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96214 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Yesterday when all this was breaking news, I was in the midst of browsing TigerDirect for a suitable UPS for a particular purpose. I noticed they had the Touch available for a reasonable price, and when I ordered my UPS I ordered a Touch. It will sit in a box along with my OTHER spare Touch, although I may set both of them up temporarily in order to update firmware. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?
I have 2xSB3s and 2xTouches. The 2xSB3s aren't in use (one dead). Was thinking of activating the remaining one just the other day. These devices do die and people move to bigger houses, get kids etc. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I wouldn't count on it. One of the reasons they are pulling the plug I think, is that the platform has become too open. You don't actually need a SB-client anymore to use the server, and with iPeng being able to emulate a player with sync and 48/96khz, even a novice can set it up. And if Logitech isn't selling units anymore, there is no need for them to develop any new devices for it. They won't support that by providing us with all necessary measures to keep that system alive. The sooner everybody surrenders to the new system, the better it is for them... :) hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ultimate Ears Squeezebox ?
This is my plan.Never to buy another Logitech product again. jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, really? R. I agree. It was a small percentage of the population back then and remains so. I didn't mean to imply that there would not continue to be folks interested in mid- and hi-fi solutions. I certainly think there will be. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to. Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ?? In which case there would be some sort of conversion?? or am I being too simplistic? bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Redistribution of the firmware is not permitted. That is clear. Redistribution of the LMS packages from Logitech is restricted because they contain the firmware for the ip3k-based players (SB1, SB2/3, Boom, Receiver, Transporter). Distribution of an LMS-like package, without the firmware should not be a problem. The main proprietary code in the Radio and Touch firmware are CODECs: WMA family, AAC family. For Radio there is also the firmware for the microcontroller (knobs, power management, battery management). Also there are WiFi drivers that are a bit better than one open-source ones. awy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7480 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ultimate Ears Squeezebox ?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: This is my plan.Never to buy another Logitech product again. Well, I will in the future think carefully about buying into an interdependent system again. But then, I've never had any of the SBs malfunction, and LMS seems pretty solid, so I think my Squeezebox collection will keep me going for a while yet - My SB3 has just been retired (it was bought at about the time Logitech bought Slimdevices, whenever that was) in favour of a Touch, though it's still working fine. Now it's a reserve SB. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
castalla wrote: LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently of sb.com? . ? My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the background. I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App Gallery give the expected this won't work without a MySB account error. But absent a MySB account the Internet Radio menu's still work and always did. What I cannot emulate is the true absence of MySB.com. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
This thread (Squeezebox Radio Dead) popped up about a week or so ago on the official logitech forums. At that time I was pleasantly surprised to open it and discover the content. http://forums.logitech.com/t5/Squeezebox-Players/Squeezebox-Radio-Dead/td-p/871922 garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
I only have a few questions: If/when mysqueezebox.com goes offline can I still listen to Internet radio via LMS? I assume LMS will last as long as you want it to (forever if you like) and Logitech can't shut this down as it's downloaded software. There will just be no further support (updates) for LMS. Correct? DO I NEED TO TELL MY PLAYERS NOT TO AUTOMATICALLY UPDATE FIRMWARE AS I DON'T WANT THEM TO GET THE NEW UE UPDATE? Last point is crucial for continued LMS compatibility I feel. Matt 05mattjax's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
toby10 wrote: My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the background. I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App Gallery give the expected this won't work without a MySB account error. But absent a MySB account the Internet Radio menu's still work and always did. What I cannot emulate is the true absence of MySB.com. You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that has. R Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently of sb.com? . ? My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the background. That's correct. But many of the _free_ services offer public APIs which could be implemented in a pure LMS plugin if needed. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that has Let us know what you find out. ;) I have no idea how to do this myself. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to. Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ?? There's uesmartradio.com for the new players. Conversion for SB Radio - UE SR is planned but not there yet. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? Yes! As you said it's the best hardware you can currently get and i'm not seeing alternatives. So if the server will continue to live, i would pay for it. I have currently two Radios and one Receiver and 1 Touch and two Radios on order :D wom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The problem would be subscription services. No, SB hardware will not just update to UE some day. The only player that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd guess that requires downloading the new UE server and connecting the Radio to that new UE server, and might even be more involved than that, I dunno. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ultimate Ears Squeezebox ?
Grumpy Bob wrote: Well, I will in the future think carefully about buying into an interdependent system again What system that was created in the last two years and use on a regular basis is not interdependent ? bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
castalla wrote: Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com? I wonder if it isn't possible for one of the brilliant Plugin developers to create a Plugin to emulate UE for LMS connections to uesmartradio.com? Not unlike Triodes Plugin for Spotify? Might need Logitech's blessing for this, assuming it is even plausible at all (and it may well not be). toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
toby10 wrote: By the time MySB.com is actually gone there will be no Touch or SB Radio players to buy to even need setting up. ;) But should this be needed - Touch can be updated via USB/SD absent any server. - I believe both Touch Radio can be setup via a local LMS server by getting them to their Home menu then selecting My Music, connect to LMS, firmware is updated does this apply to the initial setup as well as the upgrading firmware? adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
toby10 wrote: Yes, you can use direct stream URL's in LMS absent MySB.com. The problem would be subscription services. No, SB hardware will not just update to UE some day. The only player that is even capable of being updated to UE is the SB Radio, and I'd guess that requires downloading the new UE server and connecting the Radio to that new UE server, and might even be more involved than that, I dunno. And the LMS question please. Will LMS continue forever? 05mattjax's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
05mattjax wrote: And the LMS question please. Will LMS continue forever? Yes, in it's current form, as long as you keep the original LMS download on your computer and you don't use LMS beyond it's current OS support. Will LMS development, updates, bug fixes continue forever? Of course not. I still use some VHS tapes on occasion, but I'm not expecting any firmware updates for that VHS player. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
adamdea wrote: does this apply to the initial setup as well as the upgrading firmware? I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via LMS are actually *included* in LMS. IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate firmware located on a Logitech server online, possibly even MySB.com. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
chenrikson wrote: Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked to generate a PIN -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function. Just register and when you are asked at the next screen to Add a Radio, close your browser and then log in. TimT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Ultimate Ears Squeezebox ?
bluegaspode wrote: What system that was created in the last two years and use on a regular basis is not interdependent ? What I mean is I ended up buying several SBs (not to mention Squeezepad and iPeng) rather than just staying with the original SB3 for piping music to the HiFi. With an excellent and versatile system such as the SB-LMS system, it has a tendency to grow! As it happens, I could quite well envisage having one UE-based system with the (former) SBRs just streaming radio and the LMS-Touch for the HiFi. Frankly I never expected the Touch to be available for ever - but I had always hoped the SB line of kit would continue with new models. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96174 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
toby10 wrote: I believe so. What I don't know is whether the firmwares obtained via LMS are actually *included* in LMS. IOW: LMS might be just pointing that player to it's appropriate firmware located on a Logitech server online, possibly even MySB.com. I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
garym wrote: I read somewhere that LMS includes the firmware for older players (transporter, SB3, boom) but NOT for touch and radio. I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time after I installed new releases of LMS. So it appears that Touch and Radio get their firmware files from some other server out there. travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
travelfotografer wrote: I suspect so too. I have both my touch and Radio connected to my local LMS, and I have both Touch and Radio updating their firmwares some time after I installed new releases of LMS. So it appears that Touch and Radio get their firmware files from some other server out there. Add the controller to that as well. Duet Receiver appears to get firmware from LMS but Duet Controller appears to get it from a server out there !! jwagner010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29405 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Line Comes to an End (quasi official confirmation)
This is not what I was expecting when I heard plans were being made for more audio products. I had thought that this would be advancements in the product line and not step back. After reading most posts in the forums and doing a web review of the new product pitch I believe Logitec is really focusing on the mass market of people who just want simplistic playback capabilities from their mobile devices and to provide some music services. Many of the consumers of these products can care less about syncing, hi def music and using a home audio (stereo) to listen to their music. I will continue to use my squeezes as they are, I dont use mysqueezebox anyway and music services available for use in Canada are almost non existant due to the laws in Canada. I rely on my own large selection of music and internet radio. I have various copies of LMS archived and will insure I keep saving any later updates to LMS so that once it is done being supported and updated I will have many years before I have to consider any music system changes. That is provided my squeeze HW holds up. I will look to pick up spares as they become available if the price is reasonable. So for me, it is not good news to hear that this is being done but my squeeze installation should be around for many many years. And by then things should have changed in the tech world and it may be time to change. froth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96190 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
