Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
No matter which speakers you choose they must have an amp to drive them. Small 2ch amp, self powered speakers, full receiver, etc... Boom's audio out can only be used for headphones or extremely small speakers, absent an amp after the audio out. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Could I access my iTunes folder? Only with my computer on correct? Yes. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
azinck3 wrote: Yes. Sounds like I will not be sacrificing quality by going the squeezebox route with the individual small amps at the same time saving close to $2k. I wonder if anyone out there has gone this route. benybrady's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39813 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Sounds like I will not be sacrificing quality or features by going the squeezebox route with the individual small amps at the same time saving close to $2k. I wonder if anyone out there has gone this route. Yes! It's the basic squeezebox way of doing things and it's what virtually every squeezebox user does. One squeezebox per zone, with some form of amplification for each zone. Let me just now question one more of your assumptions: why are you running all the cables to a closet somewhere? Unless you're using other audio sources that you want to share across multiple zones, or you can't get network coverage (either cabled or wifi) to each of your zones, then you don't really have any need for the centralized closet. Why not just hook up an SB3 and the amp right in the room they're destined to control? You could hide the amp away (in the wall? ceiling?) but put the SB3 on display so that you have a convenient way to see what's playing in that room. I also find my SB3 displays useful as a weather station using the SuperDateTime plugin. Seems a waste to tuck them away in a closet. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Qobuz streaming (inc FLAC) and download site.
(a) The website is in French, so Google Translate is a boon. Even so, Google Chrome has an option to automatically translate web pages in certain languages. Was quite confusing me when working on Norwegian music service wimp.com :-) If this website proves as good at it seems it would be wonderful if some helpful developer created a plugin for Squeezebox!!! (The Qobuz developers seem very tech savy so I guess they would be happy to provide the necessary guidance.) I tried to get in touch with then a few weeks ago but never heard back (I did _not_ use my Logitech address though...). How have you been in touch with them? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
azinck3 wrote: Yes! It's the basic squeezebox way of doing things and it's what virtually every squeezebox user does. One squeezebox per zone, with some form of amplification for each zone. Let me just now question one more of your assumptions: why are you running all the cables to a closet somewhere? Unless you're using other audio sources that you want to share across multiple zones, or you can't get network coverage (either cabled or wifi) to each of your zones, then you don't really have any need for the centralized closet. Why not just hook up an SB3 and the amp right in the room they're destined to control? You could hide the amp away (in the wall? ceiling?) but put the SB3 on display so that you have a convenient way to see what's playing in that room. I also find my SB3 displays useful as a weather station using the SuperDateTime plugin. Seems a waste to tuck them away in a closet. It's a new house build and I think it looks nice not to see any black box on the counter. Where would I tuck the amp? If its in the wall, how do I access it if it need to be changes out or it breaks down? benybrady's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39813 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: It's a new house build and I think it looks nice not to see any black box on the counter. Where would I tuck the amp? If its in the wall, how do I access it if it need to be changes out or it breaks down? You could stick the amp behind a service panel or in the ceiling (accessible via the attic). I understand not wanting a box around; I like the minimalist look, too. But I also like being able to see the current temperature and what's playing. I just wanted to be sure you realized that you didn't *need* a centralized closet since a squeezebox system allows you to avoid having to build a conventional multi-zone audio system (no need to share audio sources and sync is accomplished via the network, not physical switches). azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
Nonreality wrote: So far I really like this program. I am having a problem if I pause or do something with the remote that comes with the touch I then lose use of the Orange remote and have to reboot my phone. I don't know if this is normal but it can be frustrating. Tonight I paused Pandora and restarted it with the remote and Orange could never start again. It just showed the screen when I had paused it and would do nothing. Other than that it's been a nice program. Are you using the preview build (1.3.0-numbers) or the release version (1.2.9)? At this point, I would characterize the preview version as more stable than the release version -- one of the reasons I'll be pushing to iron out any remaining polish issues over the next week or so and get it released officially. db122's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
azinck3 wrote: You could stick the amp behind a service panel or in the ceiling (accessible via the attic). I understand not wanting a box around; I like the minimalist look, too. But I also like being able to see the current temperature and what's playing. I just wanted to be sure you realized that you didn't *need* a centralized closet since a squeezebox system allows you to avoid having to build a conventional multi-zone audio system (no need to share audio sources and sync is accomplished via the network, not physical switches). Great idea and definitely something to think about. A closet may give mt the most flexibility if something down the road comes along that is a better option or if I go to sonus. Although the thought of know who is playing without having to look at your phone sounds like a great option. benybrady's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39813 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Sounds like I will not be sacrificing quality or features by going the squeezebox route with the individual small amps at the same time saving close to $2k. I wonder if anyone out there has gone this route. As aznick3 and others have pointed out, this is a common approach for SB users. And I expect for Sonos users, too, as many of them use the unamplified player (called Connect) with a separate amp instead of using the player with the built-in amp (called Connect:Amp). And driving in-ceiling speakers with the line out from a Boom is sheer lunacy, in my opinion. If you want/have passive ceiling speakers then you really need something designed to be connected them (which in turn require amps) -- that would be an SB2, SB3, Duet Receiver, or Touch. In my home we have a mix of hidden systems such as you want and exposed systems with black (or silver) amplifiers/boxes sitting on shelves. For the hidden systems I have ceiling speakers in the kitchen, with an AudioSource AMP100 and SB2 tucked away behind closed doors on the top shelf of the kitchen pantry (see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=285125). I added on-wall volume controls so that you can easily turn the volume up or down without reaching for the remote. That also allows for different volume levels in different parts of the kitchen, because I'm driving two pair of speakers there. The other hidden system is on the back deck (see http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?19817-A-photo-of-your-Squeezebox-setup-(please)p=604307#post604307. I used another AudioSource AMP100 and hid it in the basement with a Duet Receiver, then ran speaker cable outside to outdoor speakers (in-ceiling speakers don't work when there's no ceiling). That system also has an inline volume control mounted to a fence post. Finally, the exposed systems (including a Touch, SB2, SB3, Boom, and Radio): http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?19817-A-photo-of-your-Squeezebox-setup-(please)p=604306#post604306 aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
Hi, I am in a process of building a Squeezeslave ASIO by following the wiki. I have managed to solve some problems, however I can't get through this one. Here are the last few lines I get in Cygwin Terminal: lib/libslimproto.a(slimproto.o):slimproto.c:(.text+0x7c5): undefined reference to `_poll' lib/libslimproto.a(slimproto.o):slimproto.c:(.text+0xa55): undefined reference to `_poll' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status makefile.mingw32-asio-display:132: recipe for target `bin/squeezeslave-asio.exe' failed make: *** [bin/squeezeslave-asio.exe] Error 1 Any help is much appreciated. jnss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57992 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
db122 wrote: Not sure about #1, as I don't have Rhapsody. But I am sure we can get it fixed, but it might be easiest to have you contact me directly at supp...@orangebikelabs.com and I will figure out a way for you to get me the logging information I need. If you are running a pre-Jellybean device then you can enable verbose logging in the diagnostics, and use an app like CatLog to send me log files after you browse to your Rhapsody items and try to play them. #2, fixed, again (and again), at least for the 7.5.5 server I'm running locally for testing. Re: sleep.. yes, indeed, I appreciate your desires. Point taken. OK, I'll see if I can capture logs for the Rhapsody issue. In the latest preview, I see you fixed #2! AND you added the sleep functionality. THANK YOU! maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Alternatively, could I just buy 5 of these guys and 5 iPod touch and hook them independently to their own individual speakers and voila...??could I control each individual iPod with my phone?...just a thought. I watched the video on the link and he just hooked up a $22 amp to speakers and to his iPod. Isn't the price of a iPod Touch about the same as a Squeezebox ? So why not get the real thing ? You can definitely run an iPod Touch for each zone with iPeng app with playback option to turn it into a Squeezebox and after that you can remote control it from a iPhone, iPod Touch or IPad like any other Squeezebox. The only limitation with this solution is if you plan to use some of the premium streaming services provided by mysqueezebox.com, like for example Deezer, Rhapsody or similar, because these premium streaming services are blocked on third party squeezebox apps by Logitech. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
Deezer works with iPeng, so does MOG. Spotify works with the 3rd party plugin. I believe in reality it's just Rhapsody/Napster and Pandora which do not work and you can get Pandora to work if you sync with a real Squeezebox. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
erland wrote: Isn't the price of a iPod Touch about the same as a Squeezebox ? So why not get the real thing ? You can definitely run an iPod Touch for each zone with iPeng app with playback option to turn it into a Squeezebox and after that you can remote control it from a iPhone, iPod Touch or IPad like any other Squeezebox. The only limitation with this solution is if you plan to use some of the premium streaming services provided by mysqueezebox.com, like for example Deezer, Rhapsody or similar, because these premium streaming services are blocked on third party squeezebox apps by Logitech. Other downside of going with the iPod solution is that hooking it up is more of a hassle. You probably want a dock which will add significantly to the cost and docks with digital output are few and far between (not that the OP cares about digital out right now, but he might in the future). iPeng is an awesome way to extend the usefulness of Apple hardware you already have and might want for a variety of uses. But if you're looking to buy an iDevice to use *solely* as a squeezebox, then you're probably better off buying a real squeezebox (like an SB3). azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
azinck3 wrote: Alternatively, gary's suggestion of a Vortexbox might not be a bad one. I don't know much about what audio hardware a Vortexbox comes with (and there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info online) but I'll take gary's word for it if he says it comes with sufficient hardware to drive 5 discrete stereo pairs. Note that going the Vortexbox route would still require amps and would probably be fussier for you if you're not too computer savvy. Agree 100% with above. I suspect you'd still need 5 T-amps or something. And although this would all work nicely, it requires a little bit of knowledge to setup. I haven't done this myself and I'm only relying on what I read at the vortexbox forums. But I'm sure people do in fact use the system this way. I personally use the VB only as a server to feed music to my various squeezeboxes (which creates my whole house audio system) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Alternatively, could I just buy 5 of these guys and 5 iPod touch and hook them independently to their own individual speakers and voila...??could I control each individual iPod with my phone?...just a thought. I watched the video on the link and he just hooked up a $22 amp to speakers and to his iPod. Yes, you could have 5 Touch players (or SB2 or SB3 players). Each one feeds an inexpensive t-amp. The 5 players have 5 different names. And you can can control any of the players from an iphone (running ipeng) or ipad (running ipengHD or Squeezepad) or from various android apps. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
regarding, why not just spend the money and go with SONOS. Speaking personally, the cost is a zero issue for me but yet SONOS would be way down on my list as an option for whole house audio. It has too many limitations. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
As much as I hate to say it: a discontinued product isn't a good choice for a whole new house either? bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
bluegaspode wrote: As much as I hate to say it: a discontinued product isn't a good choice for a whole new house either? True, but he does already own several SB players. (and once apple really cranks up in this area, Sonos won't be long for this world either). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
bluegaspode wrote: As much as I hate to say it: a discontinued product isn't a good choice for a whole new house either? Eh, depends on your use case. I'm disappointed that the product's been discontinued but I haven't really liked any of the products since the SB3 and I don't use mysb.com so as long as I can buy stuff used on eBay at not-astronomical prices I'll stick with SB til something better comes along. As long as you're not too reliant on mysb.com I see no reason not to invest in Squeezeboxes. azinck3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
bluegaspode wrote: As much as I hate to say it: a discontinued product isn't a good choice for a whole new house either? At least when it comes to relying on it, like mounting stuff into walls etc. that's certainly true. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox Issues in Europe
g8vju wrote: I have seen the note about outage over the few days and today updates that it appears to be back, but I have found that although the windows 7.7.2 is now working ok, the 7.7.2 working from my readynas pro is still returning could not resolve ip address for www.bbc.co.uk. I have restarted the network router and the nas just to see if that would clear the problem, but it has not. Are other users finding similar? I guess problem is due to different cuts of software? Kevin Still having problems where Triode's BBC iplayer is still not working from the 7.7.2 version of LMS running from the readynas pro box. The 7.7.2 runs all ok from my win 7 pc so I am still guessing that there are problems with some of the specific lms 7.7.2 versions for different operating systems? I had tried restarting my router and then the readynas just in case some Internet routing had been corrupted, but that has not fixed the problem. On the basis that my win7 is working with the same Internet connection, I can only assume that the readynas 7.7.2 version works slightly differently and has not yet been picked up by the Logitech guys? The latest service availability message did say that the Logitech guys were still aware of some issues, but I wish that they could be more specific about what is or not working and the likely time to fix. Are other users with a readynas pro experiencing similar? g8vju's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97038 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
I would think as much as I love the squeeze products, you should not consider using them for a new installation where the installation cannot be easily changed due to the fact that the good squeeze stuff has been discountinued and there is no information on replacement technology. So I would consider doing things like wiring in a closet of squeeze devices like SB3 or Touches to amps and then speaker wire to the rooms something that would be safe and easier to replace / reconfigure using different technology if you had to switch out of the squeeze platform. froth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
Well, to a certain degree you will have to plan for that anyway. The house will last longer than the audio system. Period. Even if the company is still around, replacement units will likely look different when the one you currently buy breaks down. Since audio cables, speakers and stuff are pretty much standardized this pretty much only affects mounting controllers into walls, as far as I can see. Hidden stuff is hidden so can be exchanged anyway and mobile controllers only live for three years anyway pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos vs squeezebox for whole house audio
benybrady wrote: Sounds like I will not be sacrificing quality or features by going the squeezebox route with the individual small amps at the same time saving close to $2k. I wonder if anyone out there has gone this route. Squeezebox 3 (SB3), Duets or Touch devices as the signal source. Some rooms have Home theatre as the main activity, with a Duet as the Squeezebox source for some 2 channel audio listening, another has a high end stereo system while others have just a SB3 and a 2 channel power amp or stereo receiver to power separate speakers in the room. While none of my amps are small (120 watts/ch in computer bedroom) you can choose a small amp suitable for background listening now and later upgrade to a more powerful amp later. musicom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30459 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97106 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
