Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
It depends on what you want the app to do, I suspect. All I want from an app is to be able to have minimal control from the sofa (where I cannot see the tiny screen, even if it were angled at the correct position). I have the "official" one and with that, I can see what's playing, I can skip tracks and change playlists (and it was free). That's it - it does all I want and the only limitation is with the tiny screen on my phone. However, if you want to be able to do everything with an app that you could do with either the touch-screen or the LMS software, then you may need to try all three? StridingEdge's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] decreasing latency of icecast stream
Greetings --Has anyone had any luck in decreasing latency of an icecast stream to a SB? I have a media server that plays to a hi-fi and also serves up an icecast stream. I use the SB to receive that stream but it's about 7-10 seconds late. I've tried various adjustments to the icecast server but nothing seems to help. ezekieldas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58214 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97393 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just One Question To The Original SD Team
mark-e-mark wrote: > Well, that's how it shoulda gone. No, it shouldn't have. About the same time or a little before the flip, Cisco came out with a Sonos/Squeezebox competitive product line. Being an employee of Cisco at the time (and of course an avid Squeezebox devotee as well) made me particularly interested to see how this product would fare. It died a quick death after being in the marketplace in less than 6 months if I recall correctly. mbonsack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
amcluesent wrote: > > > Sonos must be amazed that their main competitor self-destructed I'm also fascinated by this , I do recognise pippins ideas about that the product may need much more development . But consider that Sonos has been pretty much the same for many years to ,so that niche should have been for the squeezeboxes. By basically doing nothing but properly markets the product . And then they could have 10 instead of 3 engineers fixing bugs ,but keeping the product what it is and still win in this niche . Not the true iPod mass market , but good enough for Sonos they do make money out if don't they ? Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just One Question To The Original SD Team
I was just thinking how an open-source product will never work for a mass-market consumer products company, and that this is not really a surprise. I remember wondering this in 2006, but like everyone else, hoped for the best and was glad to see the original Slim Devices team rewarded for bringing a wonderful set of products to market. Anybody remember the Flip camcorder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_Video)? The Flip is dead simple to operate and has fewer functions, so mass-market consumers won't get tripped-up. Cisco bought it and didn't know what to do with it. The product had an awesome write-up from David Pogue in the New York Times (this might sound familiar to SB fans), and everyone was and is baffled by Cisco's decision to buy it and their inability to run it. Cisco decided to kill it since the Flip does not fit in with their core product offerings. In my revisionist history, Logitech buys Flip and has a real winner with feature-set extensions all over the place (see webcam for examples). Meanwhile, Cisco buys Slim and the engineers there fall in love with it and help smooth out the wifi kinks. Well, that's how it shoulda gone. mark-e-mark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
I bought both apps (Squeeze Commander and Orange Squeeze) and both of them work great. So you should not be disappointed by the functionality, polish, and aplomb of either app. For me, however, I found that in actual use Squeeze Commander was unintuitive and therefore I use Orange Squeeze exclusively. The Logitech app works well, too, but the real deal breaker for me is that although the user may fix it in either portrait or landscape it does not auto-rotate. That's really annoying. In short, if you intend to use your Android app regularly to control your squeezeboxes, you should consider giving each of these three apps a good workout and then make your decision. TimT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB vs UE apps
Sorry, I _still_ don't understand what you mean with "Apps". If you talk about stuff like Spotify, MOG et al. They are pretty much the same as on the Squeezebox and also look pretty much the same, at least on the device. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
amcluesent wrote: > > Sonos must be amazed that their main competitor self-destructed maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB vs UE apps
I started asking this question just thinking about the number of music server apps that are available. But aside from the differences in the OS that people are writing about, how are the apps in general? The same, different, better, worse? User comparisons are appreciated as EVERYTHING is great when you read promotional material. Regards HIP hip2b2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58236 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
I really, honestly hate to say this, but that was a week and a year ago. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB vs UE apps
You mean "Music Service type of Apps" or "Controller Apps"? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] SB vs UE apps
Any difference in apps availability between the 2 operating systems? Thanks hip hip2b2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58236 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97392 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
Not sure about how much people can contact SqueezeCommander's author but the app updated in the last week. > What's in this version: > - Fixed a stupid bug that caused frequent reconnections when using the > same SBS as local and remote server > - Fixed trackstat ratings in context menus > - Enabled Hardware Acceleration on Honeycomb lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
Bob in St. Louis wrote: > That's awesome. Thank you very much. Looks like I've got some good ideas > and a choice to make. One should note that SqueezeCommander seems to be orphaned by it's author. I have several reports from users that say that flatterman doesn't respond to support requests anymore. That said: SqueezeCommander is a very stable app, so support shouldn't be needed for the majority of users. On the opposite OrangeSqueeze is still actively developed and the author is very responsive on the forum (and I expect also via mail). bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
That's awesome. Thank you very much. Looks like I've got some good ideas and a choice to make. Bob in St. Louis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
A bit late to the party, but could we have a Servers tab alongside the Search - Browse - Players items? The l dropdown is really fiddly to use and often I miss the correct item! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
I have Galaxy Tab 10.1 It can run the Logitech App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.cedata.android.squeezecommander&feature=search_result Also the Orange Squeeze: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.orangebikelabs.orangesqueeze&feature=search_result But the best one in my opinion is: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.cedata.android.squeezecommander&feature=search_result Also look SqueezePlayer: at https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer&feature=search_result It lets your tab or phone become a player. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
IMHO Logitech just don't know how to exploit the SB line's true potential. Why ? Because they are a hardware company. To reach mass market the high end capability offered by FLAC capable streaming needs to be built into some product by recognised hifi manufacturers. Instead you get Denon, Onkyo, Marantz etc developing kit to work with massively inferior DLNA. Clearly Logitech won't licence SB for use by these competitors - or will they? d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
I've always though the Slimdevices buy-out was the scheme of a Logitech VP who was then let-go, so there was no-one to fight the cause. After the Google TV epic fail, I expect 'streaming' was the kiss of death to careers in Logitech. Logitech completely threw away everything they had. Loyal customers, growing recognition outside computer geeks (i.e. Stereophile cover) and the growing market for computer audio. Even if the core was niche, they could have developed the mass market from that base with a win32 binary of LMS etc. Sonos must be amazed that their main competitor self-destructed amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
It's a bummer the SB line has been dropped, but I'm not planning to jump ship and try some other product anytime soon. My various SBs still work, and I expect them to continue working for a long time to come. The hardware seems sound enough, and until it begins to break down and fail, I should have no problems. I'm mildly concerned about losing some Internet functionality one day (particularly Pandora and Sirius/XM) but since 95% of my listening is from my own collection via my local LMS server, I will still have that for the foreseeable future. With the money I've invested in SB devices, I can't see any reason to abandon them; I expect to get many more years of service out of them. I have a commercial freezer in my garage that is nearly 30 years old. It has never failed, and never had any problems; it still works great. I doubt that particular model has been made for many years. But as long as it keeps working, I have no need to buy a new one, and I don't care whether it's been discontinued by the manufacturer. I'll use it as long as it keeps running. Dogberry2's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just One Question To The Original SD Team
> Apparently their marketing department The no-marketing department, surely? amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
Waldo Pepper wrote: > > So my question is..Is my system going to be up and working for the next > 5 years or so or am I going to be left with an expensive pile of > electronic clocks that once worked as music and radio players once > Logitech pull the plug on support & mysqueezebox.com? > My guess would be that if you want to use it for 5 years for local music you will probably be fine as long as you don't upgrade the computer, using it for internet radio might work but it could also stop working when/if Logitech decides to eventually shutdown mysqueezebox.com. My guess is that Logitech is probably going to make sure it works during the warranty period and maybe a bit longer after that. In 5 years I expect most of us will be using something else than a Squeezebox to stream our music, probably some hardware which doesn't exist yet, probably not made by Logitech. All official information from Logitech indicates that they have no plans to stop supporting LMS and mysqueezebox.com, but we all know it's just a matter of time until the economics doesn't match the requirements from the shareholders. UE Smart Radio is doomed at its current price range as a mass market product, people will realize they can get similar functionality cheaper from other manufacturers. There is no immediate hurry to go and get something else, I would suggest that people continue to enjoy their Squeezebox for a while longer and wait and see how the market evolves, someone is probably going to fill the hole, it's just a matter of time. Waldo Pepper wrote: > > Does Logitech's streaming format stick to a standard where I could use > another streaming service? > I believe the default firmware provided by Logitech relies on being connected to LMS or mysqueezebox.com. With custom or patched firmware, which would be a possibility for Radio and Touch, it's definitely possible to stream from third party sources without running LMS or being connected to mysqueezebox.com. Future will tell if someone decides to take advantage of this possibility. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
You guys are great. That's exactly what I was looking for. THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Bob p.s. Side noteI was frustrated with my SB3 and Duet, so I boxed them up and put them in storage. Then I bought a remote PC and JRiver Media center and gave it a go I was thinking the grass looked greener over there. It's not. So...I'm back, and using the remote PC with wired ethernet instead of wireless it looks like I've got the best of both worlds. All I need now, is the Android to work with it. That's the last piece of the puzzle. Bob in St. Louis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
erland wrote: > The official one from Logitech is: > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logitech.squeezeboxremote > Their official support forum is at: http://forums.logitech.com > But if you want someone from Logitech to help you it's best to register > a support ticket or call the official support: > http://www.logitech.com/support > > The other apps are third party apps, where most of the third party apps > are better than Logitech's official app, more functionality, faster, > ... > I think "Squeeze Commander" and "Orange Squeeze" are the better ones > among the third party controller apps. > I don't have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1, so I don't know for sure which apps > that works and which have issues. However, both Squeeze Commander, > Orange Squeeze and Logitech's official app worked on my Samsung Galaxy > Tab 7.7 the last time I checked. Just bought a Galaxy Tab 2 7.0 to use as a remote among other things. What are the differences between Squeeze Commander and Orange Squeeze ? Do you have a preference ? Thanks ! dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
With OrangeSqueeze I'm almost sure the author mentioned it only works up to 7.7" You have to see that actually except for Logitech's all the Android Apps are really phone Apps only, I'm not sure how good they are on a 10" tablet. Maybe Logitech haven't released theirs for 10.1", either? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
Perhaps this will help. http://www.logitech.com/en-us/support/software/squeezebox-controller-app?section=downloads&bit=32&osid=18 dasmueller's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38035 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
Bob in St. Louis wrote: > Hey all, > Question for you... > > I've been trying to install (what seems like) the official SqueezeBox > app on my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 (Android) but am having difficulty. After > doing some investigation, it seems like there are more apps than I > previously knew about. I was trying to use the free one on GooglePlay > with the green avatar/symbol. But now I see one that cost $4.99 on > GooglePlay called Squeezecommander. I'd prefer to use the official one. > Help would be appreciated. A link to the app and their support/FAQ area > would be great. I'm not looking to be spoondfed, I just don't know where > to start. > > Thanks in advance! > Bob > The official one from Logitech is: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.logitech.squeezeboxremote Their official support forum is at: http://forums.logitech.com But if you want someone from Logitech to help you it's best to register a support ticket or call the official support: http://www.logitech.com/support The other apps are third party apps, where most of the third party apps are better than Logitech's official app, more functionality, faster, ... I think "Squeeze Commander" and "Orange Squeeze" are the better ones among the third party controller apps. I don't have a Samsung Galaxy 10.1, so I don't know for sure which apps that works and which have issues. However, both Squeeze Commander, Orange Squeeze and Logitech's official app worked on my Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 the last time I checked. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Andriod apps for controlling Logitech devices. (question)
Hey all, Question for you... I've been trying to install (what seems like) the official SqueezeBox app on my Samsung Galaxy 10.1 (Android) but am having difficulty. After doing some investigation, it seems like there are more apps than I previously knew about. I was trying to use the free one on GooglePlay with the green avatar/symbol. But now I see one that cost $4.99 on GooglePlay called Squeezecommander. I'd prefer to use the official one. Help would be appreciated. A link to the app and their support/FAQ area would be great. I'm not looking to be spoondfed, I just don't know where to start. Thanks in advance! Bob Bob in St. Louis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14743 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97387 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
pippin wrote: > While I agree with the observation, it did not necessarily have to be > that way. The client/server architecture was a smart move when it was > first introduced because it allowed to build a low cost system with a > lot of capability and extensibility. There are no systems on the market > that can do as much and I only know one other system that is similarly > flexible in it's control capability (Sonos). > > But it's now dated and no longer appropriate, the world has moved on, > devices are now capable enough to support better, e.g. peer-to-peer > based solutions that would also be more user friendly without relying as > heavily on the server. But Logitech didn't move on. They more or less > stopped development of the Squeezebox system three years ago, you simply > can't _expect_ it to still be appropriate. > > Now, it looks like they realized this mistake sometimes this year or so > and started investing again but this time, it looks to me like they > screwed it up with a "quick and dirty" approach. > Logitech seems to be one of these companies who dream of getting rich > like Apple but aren't willing to do what Apple does. Logitech marketing: > here's some news for you: Apple didn't invent the iPhone with three > engineers in six months. They put legions and legions of designers, > engineers and product managers in there until it was good enough to be > launched. That product had been rumored about for years and the patents > around it date from several years before the launch. They didn't do this > the quick way. Nor were they the first ones to try, but they took the > patience and investment to take it to a level where it became a - sorry > for the bullshit bingo term - disruptive product. > > Just analyzing a shortcoming and then looking for the quickest and > cheapest way to get there and being happy with satisfying those three > customers who have a shared interest in those 5 features which 80% of > the users can agree on won't get you anywhere, and no, it's also not the > same thing as focusing on those features 80% of your customers ask for. > > I believe all of what we are seeing here is simply poor marketing. And > since it's not the first time we are seeing it from Logitech (Google TV, > anybody?) I don't believe we're going to see them succeed in the future, > either. > > Luckily for us, the Squeezeboxes are open enough and we here know enough > about them that we don't need them, too. +1 Masters of their own downfall DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
JJZolx wrote: > The problem, IMO, is that Logitech had no idea what they were buying. > The Squeezebox system is a client-server networked music player, heavily > dependent on the quality of the network and on the reliability of the > computer on which the server software is run. It started as a hobbyist > system and it never really grew (or could grow) much beyond that. As a > consumer product, it was a support nightmare from day one. > While I agree with the observation, it did not necessarily have to be that way. The client/server architecture was a smart move when it was first introduced because it allowed to build a low cost system with a lot of capability and extensibility. There are no systems on the market that can do as much and I only know one other system that is similarly flexible in it's control capability (Sonos). But it's now dated and no longer appropriate, the world has moved on, devices are now capable enough to support better, e.g. peer-to-peer based solutions that would also be more user friendly without relying as heavily on the server. But Logitech didn't move on. They more or less stopped development of the Squeezebox system three years ago, you simply can't _expect_ it to still be appropriate. Now, it looks like they realized this mistake sometimes this year or so and started investing again but this time, it looks to me like they screwed it up with a "quick and dirty" approach. Logitech seems to be one of these companies who dream of getting rich like Apple but aren't willing to do what Apple does. Logitech marketing: here's some news for you: Apple didn't invent the iPhone with three engineers in six months. They put legions and legions of designers, engineers and product managers in there until it was good enough to be launched. That product had been rumored about for years and the patents around it date from several years before the launch. They didn't do this the quick way. Nor were they the first ones to try, but they took the patience and investment to take it to a level where it became a - sorry for the bullshit bingo term - disruptive product. Just analyzing a shortcoming and then looking for the quickest and cheapest way to get there and being happy with satisfying those three customers who have a shared interest in those 5 features which 80% of the users can agree on won't get you anywhere. I believe all of what we are seeing here is simply poor marketing. And since it's not the first time we are seeing it from Logitech (Google TV, anybody?) I don't believe we're going to see them succeed in the future, either. Luckily for us, the Squeezeboxes are open enough and we here know enough about them that we don't need them, too. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
I am an end of line consumer and so want to listen to my music collection and the radio. So what is UE? I have the basic technical skills of setting up a network. I have a Touch & 3 SB radios, one radio only being purchased in the last week for my spare room as they are great once set up correctly. I have taken much appreciated help from this forum as setting them up is certainly not straight forward. I have a few new questions but will be separate postings. So my question is..Is my system going to be up and working for the next 5 years or so or am I going to be left with an expensive pile of electronic clocks that once worked as music and radio players once Logitech pull the plug on support & mysqueezebox.com? Does Logitech's streaming format stick to a standard where I could use another streaming service? Combined with the squeezbox app on my Android, it's a (near) perfect house music system. Why are they shooting themselves in the head with such a market leader? WP Waldo Pepper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
Gadgety1 wrote: > Exactly. It' based on Logitech's market research (available on the > internet if you search). The "high end" audiophile, music lover market, > looking for value for money, is too small and not profitable enough. > Logitech bought SB which had this market segment and wanted to, in > classic business fashion, wanted to take it to other segments of the > market, except it wasn't that easy to satisfy the core of the users, and > the new audience simultaneously, and the core is too small to bring in > dough. As usual in the market place, as in democracy, the majority wins > out. The problem, IMO, is that Logitech had no idea what they were buying. The Squeezebox system is a client-server networked music player, heavily dependent on the quality of the network and on the reliability of the computer on which the server software is run. It started as a hobbyist system and it never really grew (or could grow) much beyond that. As a consumer product, it was a support nightmare from day one. Ironically, although the audiophile market accounted for some of the Squeezebox's success and much of the buzz about the product, the system was too complex for most audiophiles. The typical audiophile wants a much simpler system for playback of audio files, without a network component. A lot of audiophiles that tried the Squeezebox hated it and its eccentricities and soon got rid of it. The Squeezebox made it in that market because it was an inexpensive system that gave a first taste of computer audio. It served that purpose for a while, but a large number of those users have moved on to the many other products and approaches that have been introduced more recently by audio companies, the most common being a simple computer feeding a high quality USB DAC. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Orange Squeeze 1.0 for Android Released
Setting up crossfading in the LMS is perfect (I didn't thought of it initially). Thanks a lot! BigJens's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92330 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
After a few weeks without any problems i would like to thank you! You made my music collection so much easier to use on my iMac. You did a GREAT job with which i'm happy with every day. Don NasDonkey's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51933 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just One Question To The Original SD Team
Gadgety1 wrote: > According to the Logitech market analysis I saw, the growth is in the > radio type devices, smaller, cheaper, built in speaker and amplifier, > low power where even someone with dementia could operate them. Logitech > are going for the growth segment and abandoning the stand alone high rez > Touch and Transporter type products because they deem the market too > small, and the growth rate too low. Apparently their marketing > department has not been able to convince enough users that it offers > high value for money compared to the well marketed Sonos and the > absurdly expensive proprietary hifi solutions from the likes of Linn > etc. Admittedly updating the SqB range with firmware has usually led to > some type of complication. With this new approach they simplify for the > user and eventually they'll probably go to subscription mode as well, > where there will be a monthly fee to enjoy the device. Yeah and Logitech market analysis thought the revue was a great idea. Logitech is a pile it high fast consumer goods company, the have bought several innovative companies, most have seen decline. I expect the radio is a last stab as showing the shareholders that they have some use for the money they invested in Slim Devices. If they are serious about the radio market they need to check out the competition, that has cheaper solutions, which operate in cloud mode, DLNA mode and as standard digital and FM radios. They had a SNAFU with Slim Devices. No market strategy, no reliable product direction. With sensible management they could have had Sonos for breakfast, but just muddled along. DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Please tell me it ain't so.
toby10 wrote: > Because they believe the UE design will better fit their "plug & play" > mass market business model. > Simpler setup, one server, less buggy software, etc... resulting in > fewer customer service & support calls. > > But this all comes at the expense of features, functions, customization, > plugins, third party developer items, choice of servers, play back > control points, fewer supported OS', no lagacy player support, limited > player choices, internet only server connection required, etc. Exactly. It' based on Logitech's market research (available on the internet if you search). The "high end" audiophile, music lover market, looking for value for money, is too small and not profitable enough. Logitech bought SB which had this market segment and wanted to, in classic business fashion, wanted to take it to other segments of the market, except it wasn't that easy to satisfy the core of the users, and the new audience simultaneously, and the core is too small to bring in dough. As usual in the market place, as in democracy, the majority wins out. Gadgety1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96999 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Just One Question To The Original SD Team
DaveWr wrote: > Logitech is a company with shareholders, they will not have killed off > the Squeezebox line as an oversight, but on the basis of success and > profitability. > > IMHO the major problems with squeeze stuff has been engineering and > marketing. > > Conceptually the idea is good, but the implementation have always > required a geek approach to support the product. Features have > disappeared as changes have been made to support newer features. The > direction of the product has lacked coherency, the duet should have > cleaned up in the mass market, but the configuration and operation > compared with say Apple TV, too much for retailers and users to handle. > > The marketing is Logitech's fault. There was/is none. Audio and > entertainment products are sold through a given set of retailers. Some > of those did take the product on, but very few sustained that approach. > Marketing monies disappeared, leaving distribution to Internet and > computer retail only. > > Frankly unless the plug and play nature of the product could be improved > radically, along with appropriate price levels, I think the product has > little future no matter who owns it. According to the Logitech market analysis I saw, the growth is in the radio type devices, smaller, cheaper, built in speaker and amplifier, low power where even someone with dementia could operate them. Logitech are going for the growth segment and abandoning the stand alone high rez Touch and Transporter type products. Admittedly updating the SqB range with firmware has usually led to some type of complication. With this new approach they simplify for the user and eventually they'll probably go to subscription mode as well, where there will be a monthly fee to enjoy the device. Gadgety1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=97364 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
