Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
The interesting part is how they at tidal are going to run the MQA encapsulating process on everything in their catalog and especially how and why it works on on existing 16/44.1 masters ? MQA's own site is mostly sales blurb. The hydrogen audio tread is a bit more revealing on how it actually works . But afaik to get the special MQA data to add to the file , you get that from a Hirez original master with a special process . It will "work" with an original from for example 2L then tidal can have this MQA fle and it given the rigth DAC unpacks with some >20khz information and the DAC can choose its most suitable filter algorithm etc audiophile blizz in progress . I'm not convinced it applys to the majority of tidal files and if they do some processing to make them different it would make me even more sceptical ;) the best thing you can do with an existing 16/44.1 master is to play it as it is . In there are plenty of file formats to,choose from . So tidal will be able to stream some select music from audiophile labels with "better than cd quality" the rest is like it is today . But can this be embedded in a normal flac or wav file or is it going to be a special file format ? If it's a new file format to it can be tricky for squeezebox to support this . Not only for squeezeboxes btw every endpoint needs some MQA license , now I see brilliant money grab here My pow hardware manufacturers should resist this and let it die like 8 track or any other obsolete format . It only applies to a tiny amount of source material to begin with . And it don't really apply as Hirez is not at all necessary to begin with . MQA marketing is a bit deceptive , breakthrough in sampling theorem temporal blur ? The same FUD as ever , basically the audio myth that 16/44.1 don't preserver timing better than 1/44.1kHz but more cleverly disguised . But it's a marketing exercise we will see what's comes out of it . There are to many backers already it worries me , but they are mostly hifi brands that sees an opurtunity Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] LMS and Windows 10?
thanks...i'm running 7.7.5 and didn't realize an upgrade was available. is the upgrade required for Win10? are you using any plugins? i use the iTunes update plug in and Spotify plugins. eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104699 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
mherger wrote: > > Hi all, does anyone know how to get the total playing time ( shown in > > the web interface under information ) using the cli ? I've looked at > the > > documentation and can't see it > > I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all > duration values of the current playlist. > > -- > Michael Hi, i dont think he wants these information He wants something like that: Code: wget "http://192.168.199.11:9000/settings/server/status.html?; -O- |grep "Gesamte Spieldauer"|cut -d ':' -f2-|cut -d '<' -f1 Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Get total playing time with cli
Hi all, does anyone know how to get the total playing time ( shown in the web interface under information ) using the cli ? I've looked at the documentation and can't see it We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all duration values of the current playlist. i dont think he wants these information He wants something like that: Code: wget "http://192.168.199.11:9000/settings/server/status.html?;... ...which is exactly what I explained how it was created. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
Hi all, does anyone know how to get the total playing time ( shown in the web interface under information ) using the cli ? I've looked at the documentation and can't see it I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all duration values of the current playlist. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Raspberry Pi Zero - could this make a cheap player?
You can a usb-hub-wireless dongle - usb soundcard and a powersuply for under $15,- You can have a fully functional player for under 30$. That's the same price as a Pi2. Why wouldn't you ? KleinKipje's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64791 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104707 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all duration values of the current playlist. Ok thanks I might actually add it to the status query in 7.9. There's a task on my todo list to unify some of the player queue handling, which is totally different in the web UI from anywhere else. I've started to tackle this a while ago, but haven't got there yet. Part of this task there's adding support to the CLI (because most of the internal data handling nowadays is using the same CLI calls). Would this be any helpful to you? Or is it useless unless it's available in eg. 7.7, too? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
pkfox wrote:
> Works great in linux but I need to get it from Windows - thanks
naaa
you need something like this and name that whatever.vbs or status.vbs
Code:
Set oX = CreateObject("Microsoft.XmlHTTP")
oX.Open "GET", "http://192.168.199.11:9000/settings/server/status.html?;,
False
oX.Send ""
WScript.Echo oX.responseText
Then you call it like that:
> for /f "tokens=3 delims=><" %a in ('cscript /nologo status.vbs ^|find
> "Spieldauer"') do echo %a
>
that should work in a cmd line to use it in a batch you had to double
the % to %% eg:
Code:
> for /f "tokens=3 delims=><" %%a in ('cscript /nologo status.vbs ^|find
> "Spieldauer"') do echo %%a
>
Gruss
Jan
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Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
mherger wrote: > > Hi all, does anyone know how to get the total playing time ( shown in > > the web interface under information ) using the cli ? I've looked at > the > > documentation and can't see it > > I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all > duration values of the current playlist. > > -- > > Michael Ok thanks We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
DJanGo wrote: > Hi, > > i dont think he wants these information > He wants something like that: > > Code: > > wget "http://192.168.199.11:9000/settings/server/status.html?; -O- |grep "Gesamte Spieldauer"|cut -d ':' -f2-|cut -d '<' -f1 > > > > or something like > Code: > > info total songs ? > > just for the duration. Works great in linux but I need to get it from Windows - thanks We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] New Error Message: SqueeseSvr.exe-No Disk
I had the exact same problem a few weeks ago (it was driving me mad!). It wound up that my iTunes library was corrupt and I had to re-create it. I don't know if you're using iTunes for your library, but if you are, here are instructions on how to fix it: http://www.talklocal.com/blog/2013/01/s/computer-repair/how-to-fix-a-corrupt-itunes-library/ It worked for me. dbinder101's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36997 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104669 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Roon, a SqueezeBox ecosystem alternative ?
Has anyone tried or is anyone using 'audio|acacia' (http://www.plethra.com)? If so, what are your thoughts? It looks functionally very similar to Roon, but appears to support more music services and more endpoints and doesn't cost $500. I see that there is also some interest in supporting Squeezebox devices as endpoints on their feature request list. geekythings's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65100 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104044 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
Hi, In an article in a Norwegian magazine today, Tidal seems to have decided for MQA as their format for a high resolution streaming offering next year: http://www.lydogbilde.no/nyheter/hi-fi/hoyopplost-tidal-i-2016 Can we hope for a codec for Squeezebox? Bjørn Tore BTHOEM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42479 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
2string1 wrote: > How can PI be any *better* then my desktop computer? dont use this word in a single line again soab Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
BTHOEM wrote: > Hi, > > In an article in a Norwegian magazine today, Tidal seems to have decided > for MQA as their format for a high resolution streaming offering next > year: > http://www.lydogbilde.no/nyheter/hi-fi/hoyopplost-tidal-i-2016 > > Can we hope for a codec for Squeezebox? > > Bjørn Tore It can be an issue if they also remove their current hifi option with CD quality FLAC ? The article does not say what they intend to do with the current hifi offering ? It would be really bad if they removed that . For the reason that the majority of recordings >99% they have in thier catalog (or any catalog ) is basically in less than CD quality and would not benefit from MQA (If there was a benefit which I strongly doubt ). So its select labels like 2L AIX or LINN etc that have recordings that could take advantage of this . If they introduced some kind of super hifi service good for them , but if the old hifi service is intact we can still use that with our squeezeboxes ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
BTHOEM wrote: > Hi, > > In an article in a Norwegian magazine today, Tidal seems to have decided > for MQA as their format for a high resolution streaming offering next > year: > http://www.lydogbilde.no/nyheter/hi-fi/hoyopplost-tidal-i-2016 > > Can we hope for a codec for Squeezebox? > > Bjørn Tore I think there is an error in that article, as there is others places as well when the technical part of Tidal is discussed. It says the implementation has to be in the DAC. That is not the only way to implement MQA as far as I have understood this. It could be done there. But it can of cause also be done in the player/streamer. MQA is SW based, so there should be no need of a new DAC, if your streamer can be upgraded. But you can of cause purchase a new DAC as an (expensive) solution. Or maybe get a payed? firmware upgrade. Will be interesting to see what other companies choose to do. (Sonos, Blue Sound, Aralic, EC, and more). An other interesting thing is what type if MAQ we will get. I thaught there only exist 24/96. But now the article takling about MQA 44,1 is better than PCM 24/96. I'm confused. We will just be pasient and wait to understand if there will be different MQA qualities as well. Can we hope for Triode to write a codec ? Personally I do not mind to pay for MQA on my Touch, if that is what will make it happen. Tidal hi-fi on a good stereo is much better that CD. Even if you have an expensive CD transport. R1200CL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
R1200CL wrote: > Tidal will not remove hi-fi. In order for MQA to work, it has to be > implemented two places as you probably know, so even if all Tidal was > MQA, you would still only get the old hi-fi. Actually it important to > understand Tidal will only support MAQ. This mean that they just > "transmitt" what has been offered to them from the record companies. > Right ? > > Also most Tidal is FLAC quality today. I hope you are not saying than > less than 99% isn't. It's rater the opoøsite. > (All Tidal is CD quality). > > Since takling about streaming quality. I'm using iPeng. I have several > times tried to convince Pippin to have a more easier way to show what > quality your stream is. With MQA even more important I think. We will se > what he comes up with. > He has given a solution that most likely will be available next year. > (You find his replay to me in his thread). There are two dimesnions to this about 80% ort so of tidal is encoded as 16/44.1 lossles FLAC thats the music they have (for now ) and some washed up old mp3's . So these recordings stop at 20k . Is not the MQA "process" done from higer rez originals rigth ? it's not like most labels are going to re-upload millions of songs to tidal in higer rez to take advantage of this ? In the majority of cases because they could not do it even if they wanted to, their master is a 16/44.1 . Then we have actual soundquality of the recording itself they rarely challenge the 16/44.1 container they are held in, some older noisy recordings may be perfectly reproduced by properly dithered 13 bits or so in the best case . Due to the typical quality of typical recordings the 16/44.1 limitation is not actually a limitation it's actually more than enough to reproduce the content . Some of them can still sound great and wonderful in their own respect , but they don't challenge the media there released on (not like in the old days when cassette and vinyl did not represent what was on the master tape ) . I tend to think that attacking the medium is barking up the wrong three ? It is and audio gear company behinds it it's what they do, sell audio gear and software, but maybe not necessarily what we need . I do have respect for some of meridians ideas and products (se my signature) but some things they do baffles me a bit . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
Mnyb wrote: > It can be an issue if they also remove their current hifi option with CD > quality FLAC ? > > The article does not say what they intend to do with the current hifi > offering ? > It would be really bad if they removed that . For the reason that the > majority of recordings >99% they have in thier catalog (or any catalog ) > is basically in less than CD quality and would not benefit from MQA (If > there was a benefit which I strongly doubt ). > So its select labels like 2L AIX or LINN etc that have recordings that > could take advantage of this . > > If they introduced some kind of super hifi service good for them , but > if the old hifi service is intact we can still use that with our > squeezeboxes ? Tidal will not remove hi-fi. In order for MQA to work, it has to be implemented two places as you probably know, so even if all Tidal was MQA, you would still only get the old hi-fi. Actually it important to understand Tidal will only support MAQ. This mean that they just "transmitt" what has been offered to them from the record companies. Right ? Also most Tidal is FLAC quality today. I hope you are not saying than less than 99% isn't. It's rater the opoøsite. (All Tidal is CD quality). Since takling about streaming quality. I'm using iPeng. I have several times tried to convince Pippin to have a more easier way to show what quality your stream is. With MQA even more important I think. We will se what he comes up with. He has given a solution that most likely will be available next year. (You find his replay to me in his thread). R1200CL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
How can PI be any better then my desktop computer? 2string1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49758 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Raspberry Pi Zero - could this make a cheap player?
The Zero makes perfect sense as a player in certain configurations. Especially if the player is hooked up to an AVR, the Zero makes a lot of sense. It's tiny and cost-effective. utgg wrote: > > The nuisance is the networking - micro-usb to usb adapter + wifi dongle > is the sensible option, but that won't be terribly pretty. I don't think this is that much of a problem. Small adapters of all kind (including right-angled ones and such) are already out there. And I'm sure soon, the Raspi shops will carry even more suitable ones. The Zero isn't a sensible choice for a server, though. With required extras such as USB hub, adapter cables etc. you lose both the cost and size advantage. poing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104707 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
Greg Erskine wrote: > It is cheaper, so that makes it better. :cool: its better cause its linux its better cause it needs more power from your brain its better cause of your Desktop Computer is to old its better cause its better its better cause its better its better cause its even better than better its just better cause i wrote that Gruss Jan DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
mherger wrote: > > BTW: did you see all those jokes about Adele's latest album (not > available for streaming)? People coming up with "how to play a CD" > tutorials for all those poor digital natives who've grown up with > youtube and the like? :-) _They_ are mass market. > Here in Germany, physical media sales still make up more than 50% of the market. I think "personal ownership of music" (for lack of a better expression) is here to stay. Look at vinyl, for example. It's more than a quick fad like the 90s revival. Sales have been improving for far too long now. I understand that streaming and such is big and will get bigger. The cloud is appealing not just to digital natives, but to people which aren't tech-saavy as well (it's easier to run an app than your own server). But I strongly believe that people which want to own their music will remain more than a niche. This is not gonna save Squeezebox, though. It will remain a niche because it's too complicated and technical. I actually believe the average consumer of multi-room audio is getting less tech-savvy. I don't necessarily believe the population as a whole is becoming less competent with regards to IT (even though one could debate it) but the thing is that the early adopters of multi-room audio where techies, whereas the majority adopters and laggards are non-techies). poing's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63617 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
Julf wrote: > There is probably a steep licensing fee, as well as NDAs, making an open > source implementation unlikely. I'm afraid you are right. I've tried to investigate, but I do not get any answer from Tidal support here in Oslo, nor from MQA itself. Still this licence fee should not be a showstopper. I'm sure someone has a clever solution to that. Maybe even as part of your Tidal streaming service to Squeezebox. Meaning your Tidal hi-fi subscription will cover it. Those who know this much better than me, must hava a technical solution to how solve a one time payment for a new codec to your Squeezbox (Touch). Maybe Pippin or M. Heger can explain this better. R1200CL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can Raspberry Pi, HiFiBerry, Max2Play, PiCorePlayerOS etc save the Squeezebox system?
2string1 wrote: > How can PI be any better then my desktop computer? It is cheaper, so that makes it better. :cool: Greg Erskine's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7403 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104714 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Meridian MQA - Breakthrough? LMS possible?
Here is a better article: http://www.whathifi.com/news/tidal-to-launch-hi-res-audio-streaming-in-2016 R1200CL's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=102648 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Get total playing time with cli
mherger wrote: > >> I don't think it's available. The playlist would simply sum up all > >> duration values of the current playlist. > > > > Ok thanks > > I might actually add it to the status query in 7.9. There's a task on my > > todo list to unify some of the player queue handling, which is totally > different in the web UI from anywhere else. I've started to tackle this > > a while ago, but haven't got there yet. Part of this task there's adding > > support to the CLI (because most of the internal data handling nowadays > > is using the same CLI calls). > > Would this be any helpful to you? Or is it useless unless it's available > > in eg. 7.7, too? > > -- > > > Michael Hi Michael I'm a newbie to the LMS CLI and have only just discovered the API for the Web server ( which is v impressive ) but yes it would be useful to me as I'm rewriting my documenter to utilise the web api instead of the db ( will this new request also be available via the web API ?) Thanks for your help. We can't stop here this is bat country. RIP Hunter S Thompson. pkfox's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104748 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
