Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread cliveb


scslite wrote: 
> ... Curious got back to me and their assessment is that their cable is
> just incompatible with the RPi platform.
Out of curiousity (no pun intended) I had a look at their website. These
guys are, like lots of boutique audiophile companies, a bunch of
charlatans.

If Curious publicise that their cable doesn't work on a RPi, it might
save some PCP users falling for their snake oil claims.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread scslite


I just wanted to update this post and put a closure to it.  Not the
outcome that I was hoping for but alas Curious got back to me and their
assessment is that their cable is just incompatible with the RPi
platform.  I would hope that they will investigate this and add as a
disclosure on their FAQ page for future customers that may run into the
same issue or perhaps they will improve upon next versions of their
products if it makes business sense for them to do so.

I want to thank the folks that provided their input into helping me try
to resolve it.  This is a great forum with equally great members!

Cheers!



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread LiFePO4


Good luck with the Return/Exchange.  I think Curious has a 30-day full
satisfaction period so should be straightforward to send back...

This is not the proper place to discuss, but since a window of
opportunity opened for a full refund...

If you are determined to utilise RPi/PcP, there are great optical HAT
solutions.  Are you open to using Glass Optical instead of pricey
Curious USB cables?

http://lifatec.com/toslink2.html

If you like pricey cables, there is also the Audioquest Diamond optilink
Glass Optical.

If your determined for RPi/PcP USB, there may also be another solution.

Just not sure of your preferences.  I just know optical is reference for
Chord DACs.

Just ignore if you already have a set preference.  Not sure how new you
are to the Qutest.



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Re: [slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread RobbH


philippe_44 wrote: 
> I'm not sure I'm following. If I take the example of squeezelite on Pi
> or squeezelie-esp32, I would welcome a balance option. Would it be used
> every day? no but I can see where, for these mid-end system, I would
> need to balance speakers a bit due to positioning

More control is always a plus, as long as there is a way to neutralize
it if it's not wanted. For instance, I want to be certain I've set the
balance back to precisely zero, not +0.2 or -0.1. That's my view.

The other viewpoint is that more control = more opportunity to screw
things up! It's now wrong, either.



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Re: [slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread philippe_44

d6jg wrote: 
> It shouldn’t really be necessary. Top end HiFi has no treble, bass or
> balance controls and arguably there is more need for them in the
> analogue arena particularly turntable than there would ever be in
> digital.

I'm not sure I'm following. If I take the example of squeezelite on Pi
or squeezelie-esp32, I would welcome a balance option. Would it be used
every day? no but I can see where, for these mid-end system, I would
need to balance speakers a bit due to positioning



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Re: [slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread d6jg

philippe_44 wrote: 
> So, knowing that there is a gainL and gainR in slimproto, shall we add a
> balance option in audio? I think that could be easy, just a -N..N cursor
> then I would apply a scale down factor on gainL or gainR depending on
> that cursor (0 => no change, N => factor=0 on gainL, -N => factor=0 on
> gainR)

It shouldn’t really be necessary. Top end HiFi has no treble, bass or
balance controls and arguably there is more need for them in the
analogue arena particularly turntable than there would ever be in
digital.



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Re: [slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread philippe_44


bpa wrote: 
> My guess.
> 
> In SB1 it was done in hardware (as well as treble and Bass)
> 
> As SB2/3 etc. didn't have h/w balance (s/w decoding helped flexibilty in
> adding new codecs) - might have been considered unnecessary as at the
> time, many amps probably had a balance control.

So, knowing that there is a gainL and gainR in slimproto, shall we add a
balance option in audio? I think that could be easy, just a -N..N cursor
then I would apply a scale down factor on gainL or gainR depending on
that cursor (0 => no change, N => factor=0 on gainL, -N => factor=0 on
gainR)



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Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming

2021-02-22 Thread garym


d6jg wrote: 
> Too late I feel. My Qobuz library is already 500+ albums. Am I really
> going to switch back to Spotify?

Probably not (I wouldn't).  But I do think it is good news (for lossless
streaming) that Spotify will be in that space. I forget the percentages,
but Qobuz and Tidal are very tiny in terms of customers relative to the
much bigger players like Spotify.  So if either Qobuz or Tidal bites the
dust, it is nice to think that there will be some CD quality streaming
remaining.



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Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming

2021-02-22 Thread d6jg


Too late I feel. My Qobuz library is already 500+ albums. Am I really
going to switch back to Spotify?



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Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming

2021-02-22 Thread raglencross


Great news!  I hope it will be available in Canada and for only a few
dollars more for lossless streaming like Amazon Music HD.   I have tried
Tidal (too expensive) and AM HD (reasonably priced), but have always
reverted back to Spotify because it is best at personalizing playlist.



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Re: [slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread bpa


My guess.

In SB1 it was done in hardware (as well as treble and Bass)

As SB2/3 etc. didn't have h/w balance (s/w decoding helped flexibilty in
adding new codecs) - might have been considered unnecessary as at the
time, many amps probably had a balance control.



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Re: [slim] SB3 quality of headphone output...

2021-02-22 Thread RobbH


pablolie wrote: 
> Set up a spare SB3 as a headphone amp in my bedroom to chill as I got to
> sleep, with Shure SE315s. I change my opinion on how well it sounds from
> track to track, prolly due to the monitor nature of the Shure in ears? 
> 
> Any strong opinions on the quality of the headphone output on the SB3
> from other users? I think I have a good headphone up somewhere, will
> also do some experimentation on my own. 
> 
> Cheers!

https://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_Connecting.html#A_note_on_the_headphone_jack

edit: the first line at that link states: "The headphone jack on the
Squeezebox2 and Squeezebox3/Squeezebox Classic should be used to power
low-end headphones only."



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[slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming

2021-02-22 Thread garym


I haven't seen this posted anywhere on this forum.  Interesting
development. 
https://9to5google.com/2021/02/22/spotify-hifi-lossless-audio/



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Re: [slim] SB3 quality of headphone output...

2021-02-22 Thread slartibartfast


pablolie wrote: 
> Thank you - guess I'll unearth my old Creek headphone amp, I know it's
> in one of my moving boxes :-DIt look like it depends on how hard the 
> headphones are to drive. What is
the impedance of your headphones? My Grado SR60s are only 32 Ohms but
Sennheisers tend to be much higher.

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[slim] Balance

2021-02-22 Thread philippe_44


Do we know why there is no balance setting on LMS?



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Re: [slim] Outreach Radio Catchup

2021-02-22 Thread travelwels


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And Home Remedies, And Nutrition Guidance. 
For Higher Medication And Treatments.



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Re: [slim] SB3 quality of headphone output...

2021-02-22 Thread pablolie


Thank you - guess I'll unearth my old Creek headphone amp, I know it's
in one of my moving boxes :-D



...pablo
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Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF
Reference 1
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DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub
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[slim] SB3 quality of headphone output...

2021-02-22 Thread pablolie


...set it up in my bedroom to chill as I got to sleep, with Shure
SE315s. I change my opinion on how well it sounds from track to track,
prolly due to the monitor nature of the Shure in ears? 

Any strong opinions on the quality of the headphone output on the SB3
from other users? I think I have a good headphone up somewhere, will
also do some experimentation on my own. 

Cheers!



...pablo
Server: Win10 and LMS 8.1.0
System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval
Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- KEF
Reference 1
Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem
DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub
Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado RS1/Shure
1540

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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread Paul Webster


and I think it could be one of the first things Curious suggests is done
before agreeing to replace since it is in their FAQ and they might not
have experience of pCP/TinyCore.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread bpa


slartibartfast wrote: 
> If other cables work with your Pi then changing the OS isn't going to
> help.

I agree it doesn't seem logical but trying an different OS at least
eliminates the possibility of some sort of weird chip initialisation or
timing issue which is only apparent with the problem cable.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread slartibartfast


scslite wrote: 
> Yes squeezlite works with the generic cable and another USB cable I have
> which is a BBQ Full Rack similar design to the Curious with an isolated
> power line. 
> 
> The logs do show something with the Curious is bad but what?  I have not
> tried another OS on the RPi but may try it as it's also one of the
> suggested tips on the Curious FAQ.
> 
> As for pins I carefully pulled them up on the RPi to ensure a snug fit
> of the cable but made no difference.
> 
> BTW, good suggestion.  Will send the log files to Curious as well. 
> Also, how do I do this?  "enable monitor udev actions/triggers with
> udevadm"If other cables work with your Pi then changing the OS isn't going to
help.

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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread bpa


scslite wrote: 
>   "enable monitor udev actions/triggers with udevadm"

command at shell prompt

UDEVADM MONITOR
Do a test by plugging and unplugging a "good" device to see messages
appear, then try the problem device.  If no messages then problem is at
a lower level of USB interfacing which would what dmesg log indicates.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread scslite


chill wrote: 
> I don't think this has anything to do with Squeezelite.  The Pi isn't
> enabling the Qutest with this cable.  Did Squeezelite work with the
> generic cable?  I would send Curious the two log file snippets that I
> posted above.  I would hope that they'll stand by their product and send
> you a replacement.

Yes squeezlite works with the generic cable and another USB cable I have
which is a BBQ Full Rack similar design to the Curious with an isolated
power line. 

The logs do show something with the Curious is bad but what?  I have not
tried another OS on the RPi but may try it as it's also one of the
suggested tips on the Curious FAQ.

As for pins I carefully pulled them up on the RPi to ensure a snug fit
of the cable but made no difference.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread bpa


scslite wrote: 
> I'll try to test as suggested by LifePO4 and report back later.  The
> fact that the cable works perfectly when plugged into my MBA means
> there's some signal that's not on the RPi USB that Squeezlite is not
> recognizing the Qutest..

It is is not squeezelite but from log at level of pcp USB support.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread chill


scslite wrote: 
> I'll try to test as suggested by LifePO4 and report back later.  The
> fact that the cable works perfectly when plugged into my MBA means
> there's some signal that's not on the RPi USB that Squeezlite is not
> recognizing the Qutest.
> 
> Another thought is does the Qobuz plugin require Squeezlite or is it a
> more native integration?  I'm wondering if Qobuz will work if
> Squeezelite is bypassed?  
> 
> Also have sent my issue to Curious just waiting to hear back.
> 
> Thanks for all the suggestions.  Not giving up yet.

I don't think this has anything to do with Squeezelite.  The Pi isn't
enabling the Qutest with this cable.  Did Squeezelite work with the
generic cable?  I would send Curious the two log file snippets that I
posted above.  I would hope that they'll stand by their product and send
you a replacement.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread scslite


I'll try to test as suggested by LifePO4 and report back later.  The
fact that the cable works perfectly when plugged into my MBA means
there's some signal that's not on the RPi USB that Squeezlite is not
recognizing the Qutest.

Another thought is does the Qobuz plugin require Squeezlite or is it a
more native integration?  I'm wondering if Qobuz will work if
Squeezelite is bypassed?  

Also have sent my issue to Curious just waiting to hear back.

Thanks for all the suggestions.  Not giving up yet.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread bpa


Man in a van wrote: 
> I know hot plugging can sometimes stir things up but at the OP's own
> risk

I wouldn't go as far as messing with hot pluggin but OP could try enable
monitor udev actions/triggers with udevadm and see if anything show up.

However from the log I think the issue is before udev gets into action.

I don't know how OP checked the contacts especially if it is just a
single pin not making contact.



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Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings

2021-02-22 Thread Man in a van


LiFePO4 wrote: 
> I have zero experience with pcp on the USB side.  I only use optical
> solutions, so just making a suggestion.  I wasn't even aware there is a
> Qutest USB setting.  I thought USB Audio is the only option on the
> dropdown box for USB DACs, so total noob here.
> 
> My suggestion is try powering on the Qutest with your MBA.  Turn on your
> RPi.  Unplug USB A from MBA and plug into RPi.
> 
> I believe Chord DACs need the 5V VBUS (Thin orange cable on your
> Curious) to initiate a handshake to activate the Qutest.  Maybe after
> activating, if it stays PWR ON, pcp will recognize?
> 
> Maybe some setting not initiating the handshake?  Just hope the Qutest
> doesn't PWR OFF or de-activate when you pull out the USB cable.
> 
> If it's recognized, you can troubleshoot the setting from there...
> 
> GL
> 
> EDIT: USB Audio setting the same issue?  Have you tried another OS on
> the RPI to narrow down?


>From the online info

> 
> *Device power supply:* 5v 2amp Micro USB

so I don't think the Mac will meet that requirement, otherwise I agree,
try it on a raspberry pi OS, simple Desktop, browser playback.

I know hot plugging can sometimes stir things up but at the OP's own
risk :)

chill wrote: 
> From the generic cable:
> > 
Code:

  >   > 
  > [1.131641] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd\
  > [1.314285] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2109, 
idProduct=3431, bcdDevice= 4.21\
  > [1.314293] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, 
SerialNumber=0\
  > [1.314300] usb 1-1: Product: USB2.0 Hub\
  > [1.315758] hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found\
  > [1.316011] hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected\
  > [1.641619] usb 1-1.4: new high-speed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd\
  > [1.772399] usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=245f, 
idProduct=0815, bcdDevice= 1.97\
  > [1.772406] usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, 
SerialNumber=3\
  > [1.772413] usb 1-1.4: Product: Qutest\
  > [1.772420] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: Chord Electronics Ltd\
  > [1.772426] usb 1-1.4: SerialNumber: 413-001\

> > 
> 
> From the Curious cable:
> > 
Code:

  >   > [1.141638] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using 
xhci_hcd\
  > [1.324076] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2109, 
idProduct=3431, bcdDevice= 4.21\
  > [1.324084] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, 
SerialNumber=0\
  > [1.324091] usb 1-1: Product: USB2.0 Hub\
  > [1.330887] hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found\
  > [1.331135] hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected\
  > [2.462149] usb 1-1-port4: Cannot enable. *Maybe the USB cable is bad?*\

> > 

Says it all really, at least in this user context of pCP OS

ronnie



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