Re: [slim] PCP Ver 8 PCP Bluetooth won't start
poor-skeleton wrote: > Hi, > > I've made a fresh install using version 8 (I did try 7 too and the same > problem) on my Raspberry PI 4 where when I try to "Power On" the > Bluetooth I'm given the message:- > > "Turning the BT Controller power on... > No default controller available" > > Any advice to resolve this? > > Much appreciated. > > Regards, > Brendan On Bluetooth page check that RPi built-in Bluetooth is ON castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114887 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
coyrls wrote: > The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so > not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep > state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking > from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still > clunky. I installed the LMS on my linux PC as well. I know it is working because squeezer app found it but, as a new user of Linux, I don't even know where the LMS controller is :rolleyes::rolleyes: verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
I figured out it was not the LMS that prevented the notebook from going to sleep. It is spooler. Not sure how the service got started because I didn't print anything from the notebook for months. After stopping the service and deleted all the "unfinished print job files" in a file folder, The notebook can go to sleep when LMS is running. I set the "prevent LMS from standby" to 3 minutes and Windows to sleep at 10 minutes. I usually force the system to sleep with the dedicated button on the external keyboard if I am using it for other tasks. The sleep setting will kick in when the computer is only used as LMS in case I am too lazy or forget. I can't see why it is much less convenient than a dedicated constantly-running server since one doesn't have to worry about putting the notebook to sleep. To wake it up, if Wake-on-Lan works (a shame I haven't figured it out), it only takes one click in the squeezer app. If someone uses squeezer app to control the players, the app has to be opened anyway. Some online reviews on the Pi 4 say it has heat management problem too while the Pi 400 is better in that because there is a large piece of aluminum plate covering the entire bottom of the keyboard case and it is 15% faster. But as a cheap bastard, I think it is also over-priced, especially when I already have two reppurposed laptops set up. Letting one multi-tasking actually saves space and energy. I think we should be more concerned about old receivers, for 35 watts at standby is what a modern 55' 4K LED TV uses at work (about 1/3 brightness). verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > You can buy a 'smart plug ' > (https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for > 10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power > consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are > not even home.I have a couple of smart plugs but went for the cheaper version > without energy monitoring thinking it wouldn't be necessary for the devices I wanted to control. The price of smart plugs has come down a lot since then. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better. > Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server. > > Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is > measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it > says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle > currents, but who knows... > > Jim Seems accurate enough. "Arms" is OK for current (Amps RMS). The best part of the spec is the power consumption of the device itself at 10W max. You wouldn't want to leave it plugged in if you were trying to save power. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > Are they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all > look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name > on the front. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better. Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server. Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle currents, but who knows... Jim +---+ |Filename: kow.png | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=35329| +---+ Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] PCP Ver 8 PCP Bluetooth won't start
Hi, I've made a fresh install using version 8 (I did try 7 too and the same problem) on my Raspberry PI 4 where when I try to "Power On" the Bluetooth I'm given the message:- "Turning the BT Controller power on... No default controller available" Any advice to resolve this? Much appreciated. Regards, Brendan poor-skeleton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71352 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114887 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes > have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have > any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power > Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk You can buy a 'smart plug ' (https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for 10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are not even home. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty > cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) - > http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html > > I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say > a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge, > etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter > reads in $. > > As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in > a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month > to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what > standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an > extended period of time. > > JimAre they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name on the front. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
bpa wrote: > > It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one - > change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027 > -> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039) This is quite common. Some others add 5 or 10 to the port number. In this case, they added a massive number! ;) *RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery. Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app. -Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer). Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze* vinnielo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
slartibartfast wrote: > How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes > have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have > any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power > Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. > > Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) - http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge, etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter reads in $. As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an extended period of time. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
vinnielo wrote: > The non-secure (HTTP) stream for Yoga Chill is at > http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill > You should be able to use mysqueezebox.com for this. Interesting Yoga Chill non-secure http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill secure https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill BaySmoothJazz non-secure http://radio2.vip-radios.fm:8039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz secure https://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one - change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027 -> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039) bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans > spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase > products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. > > I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I > like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the > notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the > power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB > input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using > the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy > the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. The > PI also offers the convenience of not having to remember to put the > laptop to sleep manually after any task.How did you measure the power > consumption of the laptop? I sometimes have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power Analysers through work but never thought to take one home. Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
You're welcome, -verycd-. *RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the mysqueezebox.com App Gallery. Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app. -Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer). Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze* vinnielo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14510 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans > spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase > products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. > > I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I > like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the > notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the > power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB > input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using > the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy > the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. glad you didn't feel pushed :) when you hooked the USB drive to the touch, and were not happy two things were in play: 1) While previous sb devices had "out of the box" through mysb.com exclusively, the touch expanded the out of box by added a small version of LMS, referred to as "tiny LMS". It too is no longer supported and ironically, also suffers the http/https limitation. There is alot of discussion here on it, it is crash prone if you try to do too much (play, scan, and flip through menus at the same time). Seems like that is what you experienced. I setup a non tech friend with the touch running tiny LMS and a thumb drive of music and it did fine for him. I eventually got him a picoreplayer (server) for the https thing, and, because he enjoys the radio paradise streams, this gave him the FLAC streams. He still doesn't know why he needs the little box (pCP) hooked to his router, oh well...:rolleyes: 2) If your USB drive did not have a separate power supply, perhaps the touch USB could not power it, but perhaps you checked that. Take Care Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
P Nelson wrote: > Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient > solution. I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS > is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C. I > saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save. I tried > power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not > change much, maybe 1C. I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal. My > understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might > just leave it in power save. > > While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of > the Pi and it doesnt take up much space my media equipment area. The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still clunky. coyrls's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44253 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W > while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my > listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a > dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi > 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at > idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about > almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either > way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other > use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external > hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and > 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked > with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks. > > Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient solution. I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C. I saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save. I tried power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not change much, maybe 1C. I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal. My understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might just leave it in power save. While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of the Pi and it doesnt take up much space my media equipment area. P Nelson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58158 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone > operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones. > It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate > from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes > not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for > years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes. > > The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have > something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to > keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe > we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a > extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive > platform, myself included. > > Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more > convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned), > but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real > nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management. > > In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone > devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance > and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to > the members of this community and especially those that contribute their > time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!). > > The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After > all, it's all about the music, eh? :) > > Jim Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I like the idea of raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
d6jg wrote: > If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a > bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it. Yes, bios is set properly and the ethernet adaptor supports it and configured according to online tutorials. The notebook is on LAN not WLAN. The manufactuer's website provided info for Wake-ON-LAN issue of this model and others due to Windows 10. But it was a few years ago. I suspect the problem has something to do with new updates in Windows 10. After all, for a non-tech person, it takes a lot of time to trouble-shoot. This is the second time I tried to make it work. The last time was one year ago. verycd's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=49940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
Redrum wrote: > I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his > phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his > current config working. > > Jim If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Boom *Kitchen* UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
bpa wrote: > IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w) > maybe because power usage is considered to be low. Often users who want > to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use > on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA. > Power up delay is the downside. I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his current config working. Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN > (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I > will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An > older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed > phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer > instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one > receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing. IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w) maybe because power usage is considered to be low. Often users who want to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA. Power up delay is the downside. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated
verycd wrote: > I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W > while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my > listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a > dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi > 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at > idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about > almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either > way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other > use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external > hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and > 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked > with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks. > > The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN > (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I > will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An > older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed > phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer > instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one > receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing. Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones. It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes. The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive platform, myself included. Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned), but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management. In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to the members of this community and especially those that contribute their time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!). The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After all, it's all about the music, eh? :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114874 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss