Re: [slim] PCP Ver 8 PCP Bluetooth won't start

2021-07-24 Thread castalla


poor-skeleton wrote: 
> Hi,
> 
> I've made a fresh install using version 8 (I did try 7 too and the same
> problem) on my Raspberry PI 4 where when I try to "Power On" the
> Bluetooth I'm given the message:-
> 
> "Turning the BT Controller power on...
> No default controller available"
> 
> Any advice to resolve this?
> 
> Much appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Brendan

On Bluetooth page check that RPi built-in Bluetooth is ON





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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread verycd


coyrls wrote: 
> The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so
> not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep
> state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking
> from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still
> clunky.

I installed the LMS on my linux PC as well. I know it is working because
squeezer app found it but, as a new user of Linux, I don't even know
where the LMS controller is :rolleyes::rolleyes:



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread verycd


I figured out it was not the LMS that prevented the notebook from going
to sleep. It is spooler. Not sure how the service got started because I
didn't print anything from the notebook for months. After stopping the
service and deleted all the "unfinished print job files" in a file
folder, The notebook can go to sleep when LMS is running. I set the
"prevent LMS from standby" to 3 minutes and Windows to sleep at 10
minutes. I usually force the system to sleep with the dedicated button
on the external keyboard if I am using it for other tasks. The sleep
setting will kick in when the computer is only used as LMS in case I am
too lazy or forget. 

I can't see why it is much less convenient than a dedicated
constantly-running server since one doesn't have to worry about putting
the notebook to sleep. To wake it up, if Wake-on-Lan works (a shame I
haven't figured it out), it only takes one click in the squeezer app. If
someone uses squeezer app to control the players, the app has to be
opened anyway.

Some online reviews on the Pi 4 say it has heat management problem too
while the Pi 400 is better in that because there is a large piece of
aluminum plate covering the entire bottom of the keyboard case and it is
15% faster. But as a cheap bastard, I think it is also over-priced,
especially when I already have two reppurposed laptops set up. Letting
one multi-tasking actually saves space and energy. I think we should be
more concerned about old receivers, for 35 watts at standby is what a
modern 55' 4K LED TV uses at work (about 1/3 brightness).



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


verycd wrote: 
> You can buy a 'smart plug '
> (https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for
> 10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power
> consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are
> not even home.I have a couple of smart plugs but went for the cheaper version 
> without
energy monitoring thinking it wouldn't be necessary for the devices I
wanted to control. The price of smart plugs has come down a lot since
then.

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


Redrum wrote: 
> not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better.
> Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server.
> 
> Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is
> measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it
> says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle
> currents, but who knows...
> 
> Jim

Seems accurate enough. "Arms" is OK for current (Amps RMS). The best
part of the spec is the power consumption of the device itself at 10W
max. You wouldn't want to leave it plugged in if you were trying to save
power.

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread Redrum


slartibartfast wrote: 
> Are they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all
> look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name
> on the front.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

not sure but I imagine that the longer the averaged reading the better.
Maybe I'll try pulling mine out and putting it on my pcp server.

Here's from their manual. Interesting that the accuracy for current is
measured in "arms". Darn proof reader! :) Not very helpful in that it
says 0-15A, accuracy max 1% which would imply accurate at trickle
currents, but who knows...

Jim


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[slim] PCP Ver 8 PCP Bluetooth won't start

2021-07-24 Thread poor-skeleton


Hi,

I've made a fresh install using version 8 (I did try 7 too and the same
problem) on my Raspberry PI 4 where when I try to "Power On" the
Bluetooth I'm given the message:-

"Turning the BT Controller power on...
No default controller available"

Any advice to resolve this?

Much appreciated.

Regards,
Brendan



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread verycd


slartibartfast wrote: 
> How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes
> have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have
> any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power
> Analysers through work but never thought to take one home.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

You can buy a 'smart plug '
(https://www.primecables.ca/p-36-lvs-s31us-y-s31-wifi-smart-socket-yellow-smart-phone-app-online-controllable-livingwise#sku373365)for
10 dollars cadadian, maybe even less. it can see the real time power
consumption, be scheduled as a timer or switch on and off when you are
not even home.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


Redrum wrote: 
> not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty
> cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) -
> http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html
> 
> I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say
> a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge,
> etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter
> reads in $.
> 
> As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in
> a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month
> to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what
> standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an
> extended period of time.
> 
> JimAre they accurate at low power? Amazon seem to sell a few but they all
look like they came from the same Chinese factory with a different name
on the front.

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread vinnielo


bpa wrote: 
> 
> It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one -
> change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027
> -> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039)
This is quite common.
Some others add 5 or 10 to the port number.
In this case, they added a massive number! ;)



*RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your
Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the
mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's
high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app.
-Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media
Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze*

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread Redrum


slartibartfast wrote: 
> How did you measure the power consumption of the laptop? I sometimes
> have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have
> any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power
> Analysers through work but never thought to take one home.
> 
> Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

not the guy you are asking, but I have a "kill a watt" they are pretty
cool, and not that much $ (under $30USD) -
http://www.p3international.com/products/P4400.html

I like that you can take immediate readings, and readings over time, say
a week or month (for something that runs intermittantly, like a fridge,
etc). You can also enter your suppliers rate per kwh, and the meter
reads in $.

As an example, I am one of the rare 70's holdovers that still sleeps in
a waterbed. I used the meter to determine that it costs me $12USD/month
to heat. I plugged the power strip from my kit into it to see what
standby costs are. helps me decide what to unplug if I am gone for an
extended period of time.

Jim



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread bpa


vinnielo wrote: 
> The non-secure (HTTP) stream for Yoga Chill is at
> http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill
> You should be able to use mysqueezebox.com for this.

Interesting

Yoga Chill
non-secure http://radio4.vip-radios.fm:8027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill
secure https://radio4.vip-radios.fm:18027/secure-128mp3-YogaChill

BaySmoothJazz
non-secure
http://radio2.vip-radios.fm:8039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz
secure https://radio2.vip-radios.fm:18039/stream-192kmp3-BaySmoothJazz

It looks like partly to convert a secure https URL to a non secure one -
change https to http AND take off leading digit 1 from port (e.g. 18027
-> 8027 , 18039 -> 8039)



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread slartibartfast


verycd wrote: 
> Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans
> spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase
> products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. 
> 
> I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I
> like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the
> notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the
> power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB
> input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using
> the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy
> the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task. The
> PI also offers the convenience of not having to remember to put the
> laptop to sleep manually after any task.How did you measure the power 
> consumption of the laptop? I sometimes
have an urge to measure the consumption of various things but don't have
any equipment to measure it. I used to have access to a number of Power
Analysers through work but never thought to take one home.

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread vinnielo


You're welcome, -verycd-.



*RadioFeeds UK & Ireland..* an up-to-date radio directory for your
Squeezebox/Transporter/UE Smart Radio.. available from the
mysqueezebox.com App Gallery.
Bonus: our RadioFeeds LMS plugin also lists AAC *and the BBC's
high-quality HLS streams* on top of what's available in our MSB app.
-Now with over 1000 registered users-, it's available for Logitech Media
Server (and Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter and SlimServer).
Click for more info: *http://www.radiofeeds.co.uk/squeeze*

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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread Redrum


verycd wrote: 
> Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans
> spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase
> products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. 
> 
> I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I
> like the idea of the raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the
> notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the
> power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB
> input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using
> the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy
> the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task.

glad you didn't feel pushed :)

when you hooked the USB drive to the touch, and were not happy two
things were in play:

1) While previous sb devices had "out of the box" through mysb.com
exclusively, the touch expanded the out of box by added a small version
of LMS, referred to as "tiny LMS". It too is no longer supported and
ironically, also suffers the http/https limitation. There is alot of
discussion here on it, it is crash prone if you try to do too much
(play, scan, and flip through menus at the same time). Seems like that
is what you experienced.

I setup a non tech friend with the touch running tiny LMS and a thumb
drive of music and it did fine for him. I eventually got him a
picoreplayer (server) for the https thing, and, because he enjoys the
radio paradise streams, this gave him the FLAC streams. He still doesn't
know why he needs the little box (pCP) hooked to his router, oh
well...:rolleyes:


2) If your USB drive did not have a separate power supply, perhaps the
touch USB could not power it, but perhaps you checked that.

Take Care
Jim



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread coyrls

P Nelson wrote: 
> Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient
> solution.  I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS
> is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C.  I
> saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save.  I tried
> power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not
> change much, maybe 1C.  I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal.  My
> understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might
> just leave it in power save.  
> 
> While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of
> the Pi and it doesn’t take up much space my media equipment area.

The comparison was between a laptop in sleep state and a running Pi, so
not really a like for like comparison and without WOL working, a sleep
state laptop isn't going to be a user friendly solution and, speaking
from experience with a Linux server, even with WOL working, it is still
clunky.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread P Nelson

verycd wrote: 
> I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W
> while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my
> listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a
> dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi
> 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at
> idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about
> almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either
> way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other
> use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external
> hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and
> 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked
> with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks.
> 
> 

Interesting observation that the Pi may not be the most energy efficient
solution.  I have wondered the same thing because even when the Pcp/LMS
is not playing any music the cpu temp for my 3B+ always is about 58C.  I
saw in the tweaks there is a cpu governor option of power save.  I tried
power save and looked at the cpu temp chart, and the temperature did not
change much, maybe 1C.  I have noticed 1C fluctuations seem normal.  My
understanding running LMS does not require much cpu power, so i might
just leave it in power save.  

While maybe not the most energy efficient, I do like the small size of
the Pi and it doesn’t take up much space my media equipment area.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread verycd


Redrum wrote: 
> Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone
> operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones.
> It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate
> from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes
> not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for
> years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes.
> 
> The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have
> something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to
> keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe
> we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a
> extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive
> platform, myself included. 
> 
> Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more
> convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned),
> but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real
> nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management.
> 
> In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone
> devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance
> and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to
> the members of this community and especially those that contribute their
> time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!).
> 
> The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After
> all, it's all about the music, eh? :)
> 
> Jim


Good summery, Jim. I am very gradteful too that the volunteers/fans
spend time keeping the abandoned line alive. I have learned to purchase
products that have large ethusiastic and capable followers. 

I don't feel anyone tried to help me here was pushy in any ways :-) I
like the idea of raspberry idea. It is just for my current usage the
notebook may be a good enough sulution after actually measuring the
power consumption. Years ago I attached the external drive to the USB
input of the Touch. It was so slow to scan and locate the music using
the remote or the irresponsive touchscreen, which made me hardly enjoy
the local library. I am sure PI 4 would be much faster for the task.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread verycd


d6jg wrote: 
> If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a
> bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it.

Yes, bios is set properly and the ethernet adaptor supports it and
configured according to online tutorials. The notebook is on LAN not
WLAN. The manufactuer's website provided info for Wake-ON-LAN issue of
this model and others due to Windows 10. But it was a few years ago. I
suspect the problem has something to do with new updates in Windows 10.
After all, for a non-tech person, it takes a lot of time to
trouble-shoot. This is the second time I tried to make it work. The last
time was one year ago.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread d6jg


Redrum wrote: 
> I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his
> phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his
> current config working.
> 
> Jim

If that is indeed the case he will need to switch it on - usually via a
bios setting - if the laptop hardware supports it.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread Redrum


bpa wrote: 
> IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w)
> maybe because power usage is considered to be low.  Often users who want
> to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use
> on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA.
> Power up delay is the downside.

I think he is trying to WOL his laptop running LMS from squeezer on his
phone. Pi is mentioned as a suggested route, but he is trying to get his
current config working.

Jim



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread bpa


verycd wrote: 
> The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN
> (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I
> will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An
> older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed
> phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer
> instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one
> receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing.

IIRC Pi don't support WOL (maybe more to do with s/w rather than h/w)
maybe because power usage is considered to be low.  Often users who want
to remotely turn/off Pi use wifi / Zigbee controlled socket and use
on/off control from phone/tablet - suits users already with some HA.
Power up delay is the downside.



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Re: [slim] Radio stations don't get updated

2021-07-24 Thread Redrum


verycd wrote: 
> I measured the power consumtion of an old laptop running LMS. 9-10W
> while running LMS alone and 0.2W at sleep. I guess, based on my
> listening time (maxium 100Hs a month), if I don't run it 24/7 as a
> dedicated server, the cost of playing music is $0.5 CAN . Running a Pi
> 400 (pretty and with better heat management) 24/7 costs more (2.5W at
> idle) untill I double my listening time. My vintage receivers use about
> almost same electricity at idle as at work, more than 30W. So either
> way, not a big deal but not a must investment because I don't have other
> use for the Pi 400 and there are more than 52,000 tracks on an external
> hard drive. The $120 second-hand HP note has more processing power and
> 12G of RAM for indexing and easy to operate since it's already hooked
> with external monitor, mouse and keyboard for other tasks.
> 
> The only pain is I still couldn't figure out how to make the Wake On LAN
> (from squeezer app on the phone) work after 10 hours of trying. Guess I
> will settle for the ritualistic walking and pressing the button now. An
> older version of the Squeeze Player app works well on an repurposed
> phone so I can sync music and control volumes separately now on squeezer
> instead of powering the two sets of speakers in two rooms with one
> receiver and long cables when I want the same music playing.

Your original post reflected disappointment that the touch stand alone
operation (mysb.com) was not maintained like other devices, like phones.
It would not update/play old radio station urls as radio urls migrate
from http to https. Sometimes the old http streams are alive, sometimes
not. This is due to the fact that mysb.com has not been maintained for
years, however, logitech has kept it alive for legacy purposes.

The suggested answer to fix the problem for your touch is to have
something running LMS. You asked for a solution where you didn't have to
keep the PC on, so many of us suggested the raspberry pi. Sorry if maybe
we (I) pushed too hard, a lot of us adore the fact that you can run a
extremely versatile and powerful music server on such an inexpensive
platform, myself included. 

Of course a lot of other hardware, PC's, Phones, etc can have a more
convenient and robust UI (like the podcast interface as you mentioned),
but, if you try the material skin on your phone, PC, pad, it has a real
nice UI, and fairly decent podcast management.

In summary to your op,yes, maintenance of the sb devices as standalone
devices was dropped when logitech discontinued the line, but maintenance
and development of the product line and ecosystem/LMS lived on thanks to
the members of this community and especially those that contribute their
time in development (thank you, thank you, thank you!).

The important thing is you found a solution that works for you. After
all, it's all about the music, eh? :)

Jim



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