Re: [slim] Register your appreciation .....
32596 +---+ |Filename: 391906020_THUMBS_UP_250px.gif| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32596| +---+ LMS 8.0 on PC, Xubuntu 20.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. 2 Touches & EDO. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Also Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 20.04 laptop firefox/upplay or Android mobile with Squeeze-Ctrl/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113347 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
DJanGo wrote: > @Tim: > The "clever" People are the People that causes Michael to open this > Thread and thinks about a "solution" or minimize the worst case > szenario. > > AFAIK Michael wants a solution that the settings from LMS (even when the > LMS Server IP & Ports are forwarded to the Internet) are "safer" then > now. > > Your idea (completly disable the access except for "known" IPs) sounds > clever and might be a better solution, but (the people we are talking > about) would redo these changes (if MIcheal would add them in a next > Version) cause that would stopp these people to access their LMS from > allover the World. > > Since setting up a VPN isnt that easy/simple and we're dealing with lots > of different devices and usecases.. OK - thanks. Never having set up a VPN I think that for solo usage like mine, SSH using public keys seems to be the simplest solution that should be reasonably secure. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
DJanGo wrote: > Hi, > > sounds like a "clever" idea but > > 1) > Who should change that setting? > > The Installer/updater on a clean install -> yes > The Installer/updater on a update install -> > The Installer/updater on a update install where -allowedHosts: 127.*,- > not in the Server.prefs-> yes > > 2) > Remember the guys we are talking about are "clever" - when Michael > changes these settings for them -> They cant use lms from outside (and > these clever guys are stupid enough to change that setting back to > something they think of) > > IMHO Michael had the "better" Idea with "lms is available from > everywhere but the settings are only from internal except Gateway I'm not trying to be clever or better, just trying to understand my options. I'm the only (valid) user. Why would I need to change a setting on an update? I don't really understand what or who you mean about the "clever" guys (and presumably gals) and Michael changing settings for them, but it doesn't matter. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Notwithstanding the recent LMS security improvements, I assume that explicitly specifying each of the local IP addresses that might use LMS in the 'Allowed' list, and not including the router, will achieve much the same effect, so I don't need to use the CLI password. If an SSH or VPN server is on the home network that could be explicitly included or excluded as required. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
mherger wrote: > > I therefore surmise that the SSH server is sending from the music > > server's own IP address to the same address. > > Hmm... it depends on how your tool is setting up the tunnel. But when I > > ssh into my box and forward requests to the internal IP of the LMS > machine, then LMS does see the IP address of the SSH server. If that was > > the router itself (which I doubt), then LMS would see the gateway > address. If the router forwarded SSH to some other box, then LMS would > see that other box' IP address. > > -- > > Michael My router is forwarding all incoming on port 22 to the music server where there is an SSH server, so that matches what you say. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
mherger wrote: > > I go no report at all with the plugin.cli info settings. > > plugin.cli is only used by the CLI itself. But network.http=info would > be more helpful. > > > So a local port 9000 is set up in ConnectBot to route to my > > home-server-ip-address:9000. > > That's a use case I haven't tested yet. Will do. Could you please enable > > logging as mentioned above, then see what IP address LMS is seeing? Also > > what is your gateway's IP, and your server's? > > -- > > Michael I turned that info on, and looked at "HTTP request: from " lines. I got them from my desktop (...2), my Touch (...7), and the music server itself (...10) when I connected from my mobile. I can see nothing from my gateway (I searched for it). I therefore surmise that the SSH server is sending from the music server's own IP address to the same address. If you need bits of the log I could pm them (tomorrow) rather than attach them here (being paranoid, I know). LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Paul Webster wrote: > Try increasing the log level for the module I referred to above. > I think it will log both success and failure with the IP address. I go no report at all with the plugin.cli info settings. Maybe I have misunderstood something (wouldn't be the first time!), so I had better be more precise about what I'm doing. I am connecting via my mobile, using a data connection, not wifi. I use an app called ConnectBot to connect with SSH to LMS via a netgear DDNS service to my router which has port 22 open. I have a public key shared between my mobile and the music server. ConnectBot has the ability to listen to local ports on the mobile and forward on the requests to my music server. So a local port 9000 is set up in ConnectBot to route to my home-server-ip-address:9000. I can connect mobile LMS tools (eg Squeeze Commander and Squeeze Player), or just my web browser connecting to http://localhost:9000. Using the browser, I can look at LMS settings and change some (stopping and restarting the UPnP bridge for instance). I know almost noting about the internals of LMS or its CLI. Does using a web browser go via CLI and hence get checked when accessing Settings? LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Paul Webster wrote:
> Correction - I see it was merged into 7.9 branch 5 days ago.
> https://github.com/Logitech/slimserver/tree/public/7.9/Slim/Plugin/CLI
>
> Try turning on Info level logging in "(plugin.cli) - Command Line
> Interface (CLI)"
>
> If you have access to the source code then check
> Slim/Plugin/CLI/Plugin.pm
> to see if it contains
> >
Code:
> >
> if ( !Slim::Utils::Network::ip_is_localhost($tmpaddr)
> && $prefsServer->get('protectSettings') &&
!$prefsServer->get('authorize')
> && Slim::Utils::Network::ip_is_gateway($tmpaddr)
> ) {
> $log->error("Access to CLI is restricted to the local network
or localhost: $tmpaddr");
> $cli_socket->close;
> }
> elsif (!($prefsServer->get('filterHosts')) ||
(Slim::Utils::Network::isAllowedHost($tmpaddr))) {
>
> >
Yes, I have that code. In my server.prefs 'protectSettings' is set to
1. I don't know how the ip_is_gateway works, but since the IP I see for
ssh is certainly not for my gateway maybe that's why it doesn't get
trapped on my system (which has no password set).
LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard.
LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) &
Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers.
Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC
renderers.
Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones.
Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with
Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver.
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Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Paul Webster wrote: > I noticed the changes in the secureSettings branch in github. > I don't think it is in the daily build yet. I see. I think I misunderstood 'stable release' to mean beyond the 9.1 beta daily updates, rather than just in github. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
Paul Webster wrote: > What does your LMS system see as your IP address when you connect in via > that route? > I don't remember if LMS logs it ... but you could SSH to the LMS server > and type > set | grep -i ssh > on a pCP server (and I suspect other Linux platforms) you will see the > IP address of this SSH session. It's an external IP address that I don't recognise - it isn't an internal one, nor the external IP address of my router/gateway. I have tried looking at the standard web page in the mobile browser, and can still see all the settings and have changed one or two advanced plugin settings. I'm running Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.1 - 1515659378 @ Thu Jan 11 09:26:58 UTC 2018 LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
mherger wrote: > > As I understand it from some of the previous discussion, something > has > > been added to a recent LMS to require a password to change settings > if > > coming from the router/gateway address. Is that right? If so, which > > password is that? > > I tried to explain this before... If you have a password set, then > you're all fine. If you haven't, then you won't be able to access the > settings from the outside. LMS won't ask for a password unless you've > set it yourself. > > -- > > Michael I managed to get my remote access working again (a while since I had used it and some bits and bobs have changed). Using SSH (port 22) and public key. With Squeeze Commander I could still change the audio settings of players, even though I have no CLI password set. Is this what you would expect? Setting a password would be problematic for some of my plugins, like the UPnP bridge. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
I'm not sure whether I'm an 'average joe' or not. However, having spent a working lifetime in IT (albeit nothing much to do with security) I suspect not quite (judging by most of my friends). Nonetheless I have found it pretty hard to work out how to do stuff like use ssh, ddns (my IP address changes most nights), open selected ports in the router and so on to make it all work with some semblance of security. I have a public key exchange set up between my mobile and laptop (using ssh) and my music server, and don't allow password access. Being retired I have time to work such things through when I know they must be possible, even when I can't quite get them to work for quite a while :) As I understand it from some of the previous discussion, something has been added to a recent LMS to require a password to change settings if coming from the router/gateway address. Is that right? If so, which password is that? I have LMS from yesterday installed. I may never want to do this, but I'd like to know, just in case LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wake On Lan from Touch
Even though I know no lua, and the suggested thread missed out a vital 2nd file (the metalua), looking at the code there, plus a couple of applets already installed, and a surprise find in an ancient WOLapplet for squeezeplay (from http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezePlay_Applets) I managed to cobble together a menu item that sends a WOL to my server. It's just a one-line menu item in the extras menu. It needs some tidying up, and some form of user acknowledgement that it's done something, but it does work. I chose not to try and redevelop the squeezeplay one, which is much more sophisticated, allowing configuration of one or more music server MACs. I suspect there are critical differences between squeezeplay and the touch. My very short and simple one just executes the ether-wake host command I mentioned in the 1st post. That required me to log onto the Touch (once assuming I don't need a full reset) and create an entry /etc/ethers for my server. If I change server I just need to change that rather than the applet. I have a simple apache web server (on my music server), about which I know very little, but just enough to place an applet repo xml file into /var/www/html/touch , along with a zip of the applet. I then added repo http://ip-address/touch to my plugins directory on the server, and on the touch installed the applet. If anyone else wants something like this (to execute any terminal command line that will run on the touch - see https://www.busybox.net/screenshot.html) I'm happy to share more information. Thanks again to Ralphy. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wake On Lan from Touch
ralphy wrote: > You'll likely need to create an applet that creates an item in the touch > menu that executes the WOL when you choose it. > > 'This thread' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?86684-create-a-custom-menu-in-touch) > should help. My mind was wandering in the direction of an applet, and I was thinking of trying to comprehend the code in one of the ones I use, so thanks very much for the link. That will help a lot. My coding skills are, ahem , a touch out of date LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Wake On Lan from Touch
I even found the command I need. The busybox application on the Touch includes ether-wake. That can take a MAC direct, or can look at /etc/ethers to find a hostname to MAC conversion, in format Code: aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff host and 'host' also exists with the IP address in /etc/hosts as Code: mmm.nnn.ooo.ppp host The command I need to execute is then Code: ether-wake host This works if I log in using ssh to the Touch (and then disable Touch Remote Login afterwards since it is a security risk). How can I get the Touch to execute it? LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Wake On Lan from Touch
I have a Touch that I usually use with an SD card. That works fine. If I want to connect to my music server that also works providing the server is up. If the server is down, and the last time I powered down the Touch it was connected to the server, and I turn on the Touch, it sends a Wake On Lan (WOL) to wake the server up. All good so far. However, if the Touch was connected to the SD card when it was powered off, when it is powered up it does not send a WOL to the server, and there seems to be no way of persuading it to do so (including trying to add a library at the server's network address). So what I need is a way of sending a WOL from the Touch to my server when I want to. Is there a Touch 'App' that would help? I looked but couldn't find one. Alternatively, is there a way of running a local linux command from the Touch screen? I might be able to create a linux command to do what I want, if only I could run it. Any ideas out there? I know many people never power stuff down, but I prefer to do so. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108424 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Thanks for LMS - it is still by far the best.
pablolie wrote: > Indeed. > > 1. Healthy ecosystem (but I think we all have to come down together to > make it a financially rewarding one to the people that do things, their > goodwill will run out unless we do). Yes. I did have a license for Erland's plugins and was happy to do so. We are all so used to so much being free on the Internet we tend to be reluctant to pay anything. I do, however, have no idea whether the number of users of LMS and various plugins would make it worthwhile and cost effective. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
mherger wrote: > > Is opening those ports in this way likely to expose me to much risk? > > SSH should be fine if it's well configured and maintained. > > -- > > Michael Thanks. LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] IMPORTANT: Stop forwarding your LMS ports to the internet!
I have tested (and occasionally used) LMS remotely on my mobile using an SSH login with a public/private key arrangement, from mobile and DDNS (since my IP changes regularly). To enable this I opened port 9 (for Wake on Wan) and 22 for SSH to my LMS server. I closed the ports after the test. Is opening those ports in this way likely to expose me to much risk? LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107165 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Thanks for LMS - it is still by far the best.
It seems to me to be time to share my thoughts on just how good LMS is. My own music library is mainly classical. With the help of Custom Browse, Custom Scan and Dynamic Playlist plugins I can find and play multi-movement classical Works in almost any way I can think of. Thanks to Erland I can have menus that, for instance, allow me to pick a recording of a particular Work by a specific Conductor in one year (I have several recordings by the same people, in different years, of particular Works). I can invent my own type of Artist, called a Work Artist that is an artist common to all Movements in a Work, have a proper sort form of that tag, and select Works performed by that person (or by an Orchestra, Choir, etc.). I can assign ratings to Works and Movements and select Movements and/or Works within ranges of rating. I currently use 22 different such specialised classical menus. Using Multi Library I can arrange to use other types of menu for Pop, Speech and other types of track. I continue to enhance and improve the menus I use for all of this, probably doing things no one else has ever wanted to do its all down to my imagination and ability with sql. Thanks to Erland again I can play random Works with different ratings, random Movements by a selected Conductor, and many other random variations. Thanks to Triode and bpa I can stream live and recent BBC (and sometimes other) radio programs round the house. If I want to stream from one of several major sources such as Spotify, Deezer, Tidal or Qobuz I can do that too. With Squeezelite, thanks to Triode and Ralphy, I can play music on my desktop or laptop with a USB DAC, and if and when I venture into Raspberry Pi land I could use that to replace my Logitech Touches. If I had a multi-speaker setup I could download DSDs and play those too. And not only all that, thanks to Philippe44 I can play my music on non-LMS devices that support UPnP, or via Chromecast. Not being an i-person I dont use Airplay, but if I was, I could. Thanks to Gordon Harris I can control LMS with Server Power Control, letting me restart it from the web GUI, shut it down overnight after it finishes rescanning, reboot the server, perform other relevant commands on my headless server, and so on. I can control all of this from any desktop or laptop, or using my android mobile using one of several different apps (hate that word ) and can play the music on the mobile as well. I can even do this via secure login when away from home and stream in lower-quality. And best of all, Michael holds it all together, adding useful features (eg. Additional Browse Modes and better searches) and moving LMS forward as fast as needs be with changes to the underlying platform software. Plus the community on this forum is always there to help me when I get lost or confused. I have, to date, found no other tool that can get anywhere close to the flexibility LMS affords me. Has anyone? :) LMS 7.9.1 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 17.10, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Touch & EDO. 2nd Touch standard. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to A308CR amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 17.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
SlimPvC wrote: > I have installed the Chromecast Bridge into LMS. It seems to be working > because it sends the file information to the Chromecast. But only video > information, there's no sound > Anyone else experienced this and solved this problem? > > Thanks in advance I thought that Chromecast audio was just that - no video - and that the other Chromecast device (for video) wasn't supported by this plugin. Am I wrong? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi box, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to 405/2 amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Alternatively Minimserver & Upplay to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to PC speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.10 laptop firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Also a Touch with EDO, plus spare, unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
> It doesn't transmit anything.I meant 'receive', but no matter, it's the > wireless that bothers me, not the direction. It's clearly obvious to others why an extra bit of hardware is needed over and above the hardware (phone/tablet/laptop) that one already has to have to make CCA work but that can with little effort do the same job as the CCA. It's just baffling to me. So please people don't waste your time responding to me any more on this topic. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @PasTim > I think it comes down to the question, whether you use streaming > services or not. Or maybe not. No matter. We're humans, having different > opinions is part of the package... 😀 True, but in my case it's not so much an opinion, more a failure to comprehend. I have yet to find anything here or elsewhere that explains what it could do for me that a laptop/tablet/mobile couldn't do on its own, and yet with this I seem to need it plus a laptop/tablet/mobile to drive it, which seems absurd, so I've failed to see any purpose in it. That it also seems to transmit music wirelessly gives me the shivers. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
CommanderROR wrote: > @PasTim > > I think CCA can augment LMS in two different ways: > > 1) is like Philippe_44 said above. It's a cheap, maintenance free Player > for LMS, and if the Cast protocol takes off (which seems likely right > now) it can expand LMS Player territory beyond thr DIY crowd. You can > pick up speakers from LG, Denon, Sony or others and they'll all work > with the same protocol. > CCA itself can connect to any active speakers, amp or DAC, so it's > pretty versatile, and it consts A LOT less than Sonos Connect and > similar systems... > > 2) is even better...because LMS is really great at handling local media, > stuff you have on network storage somewhere, however, support for > Streaming Services is failing. New services won't be included, and new > features of existing ones often don't get added either. So, for local > media LMS can augment CCA (since the focus there is clearly on > streaming) and CCA can augment LMS by giving you support for streaming > services, right from their respective apps. Deezer, Spotify, TuneIn, > Rdio, Play Music, Qobuz etc... They are already onboard, and others will > surely follow. > > I hope that helps you understand the "buzz" this drvice created... Thanks, but unfortunately I still don't understand how I would use it to do anything useful. I'm sure its obvious, but not to me. Never mind. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
bpa wrote: > Some user would like to have speakers that can be shared between > multiple users (e.g. in a Kitchen) so some time it is used by LMS and at > other time by service cast from phone/tablet - control of who using the > speakers can be done from any casting phone/tablet and it does not > require changing wires etc. or going onto a LMS controller. Ideally the > Chromecast will behave just like a player - so user enables casting from > a menu item on LMS controller/Web GUI and then plays. All chromecast > devices would be supported such as Chromecast for TV, Chromecast TV (e.g > Sony) and Chromecast Audio. > > A cheap device creates a LMS player which is not limited to playing > audio just from LMS - flexibility.[/QUOTE > I give in. Please all, just ignore me. The technology is baffling to > me. I can't see what is doing what unto what and how, or why. I have > read some blurb on the device, but couldn't make sense of it. > > Sorry for wasting people's time. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
kidstypike wrote: > It has Digital out, if your Touch/Transporter/Classic dies, connect a > CCA to your existing DAC? I clearly need a brain transplant. How does that help me with LMS, or indeed any other music server? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
Owen Smith wrote: > In my hifi rack if my SqueezeBox Receiver dies. My current one is tucked > behind my TV out of sight. Sorry, I really do fail to understand. What is casting to what? How does anything get from a server to a speaker using it? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
kidstypike wrote: > A £30 Squeezebox? I'm being really slow here, but what would you plug it in to, and why? I'm having a total failure to see any point. If it's a PC/laptop I can use squeezelite. If it's an android or apple device there are other players around. So can someone give me an example of when it would be useful? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
philippe_44 wrote: > BTW, after having made baby steps in understanding how casting works, > I'm now cautiously optimisic that the UPnPBridge I wrote can be adapted > to chromecast. As you said before, a lot of mechanism are very close and > the architecture of squeeze2upnp can be kept unmodified. The control > flow (pause, play, volume, time feedback, metadata) seems to be similar > and the web server needed by the receiver is the same (unless HTTPS is > needed, which would be a real pain for me) ... I have the SSL connection > to CCA working but I need to workout this protobuf in C problem. I'm being a little slow here, but what's the point? I don't quite understand why anyone would want to use Chromecast audio at all, let alone with LMS. I'm obviously missing something. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Chromecast Audio ideal for Squeezebox replacement hardware?
dysonapr wrote: > Chromecast Audio devices also interested me as a possible alternative > when my Classic or Touch finally expire. The "simplest" way I've found > to use them does require an Android phone or tablet, with the Google > Chromecast, Squeeze Player and Squeeze controller apps installed. Use > the main-menu option in the Chromecast app to cast audio to a CCA > device. Start the Squeeze Player app. Start the controller app. Make > sure you are controlling the Android device. Choose content from your > LMS and listen happily. > > Casting a tab from the Chrome browser to a CCA device also works very > well, which made had me wondering about the possibility of running > squeezelite in a browser tab. > > There is also an Android app called BubbleUPnP, which seems to be able > to connect any visible source to any renderer, including Squeeze players > and CCA devices. > > BTW, the Squeeze Player app is wonderful, and worth far more than it's > modest price. I have been using this with the Squeeze Commander app for > a number of years now, on a succession of phones and tablets. Having > Android devices as part of my Squeezebox experience seems completely > normal. If you have UPnP players, take a look at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?103728-Announce-UPnPBridge-integrate-UPnP-DLNA-players-with-LMS-(squeeze2upnp). Works very well indeed for me. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=104383 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Hence why the BBC might be a little more circumspect in future. But hey, > I'm letting my inner optimist get the better of me - in truth nowt will > change. The BBC has its 5 year plan, regardless of outcomes, and the > Conservatives have their prejudices, regardless of outcomes. Meanwhile > my squeezebox systems are running great, thanks to really useful > outcomes from this group, and I'm really quite content with the things > in general. True, and agreed. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
I doubt that oft-repeated phrase 'lessons have been learnt' will apply, since they don't seem to think they did much wrong. As to HMG, I don't think any of them will have noticed, or if they did they'll have forgotten. The future of the Beeb is an ideological issue. I still believe in it (not least having seen and listened to quite a lot of overseas TV and Radio over the years), but it's very frustrating at times. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
Thanks to all for the responses. My inclination was not to proceed any further, and I'm glad to see so many agree. I'll let it drop. The complete final correspondence is attached if anyone is interested. +---+ |Filename: 2015-06-04 Response from Senior Editorial Adviser.pdf| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18254| +---+ LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ftlight wrote: > At this point I'd say you've taken it as far as makes sense. I think > anything after this would be unproductive. I guess so. No one else have a view? I have until 18th June to apply. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
I have had a response to my 'stage 2' appeal from the BBC. Unsurprisingly they have decided to reject it and not forward it to the trustees. The substance of the response is the usual bureaucratic verbiage. I think it means that it's none of the Trusts's business how the BBC is run. Is it worth spending license payer's money in trying to get a 'stage 3' appeal to the trustees? -Decision of the Senior Editorial Adviser The Senior Editorial Adviser (the Adviser) acknowledged that the complainant felt badly let down by the way in which the change had been handled by BBC Digital and was very sympathetic to how frustrating he had found both the loss of internet radio streams and also the way the BBC had handled communicating these changes to listeners. However, she decided that the complainants appeal did not have a reasonable prospect of success. She sympathised with the complainant over the difficulties he had experienced in getting his complaint fully addressed by the BBC and noted that he had repeatedly asked to escalate his complaint. However, she noted that the General Manager of Product, Radio, at BBC Digital had given a detailed explanation of the current position at stage 2 and had apologised for the fact that BBC Digitals communication plan had not had the desired result. She noted that the situation was being reviewed and that BBC Digital had adjusted its plans based on both feedback from industry colleagues and the BBC audience. She appreciated that the complainant was not satisfied either with the response, or the steps BBC Digital was taking to address this operational issue, but she noted that under the terms of the Royal Charter and accompanying Agreement between the Secretary of State, the BBC drew a distinction between the role of the BBC Trust and that of the BBC Executive Board. The operational management of the BBC was defined as a duty that was the responsibility of the Executive Board rather than the Trust. Taking this into account the Adviser considered Trustees would be likely to conclude that the appeal did not have a reasonable prospect of success. She therefore did not consider it was appropriate, proportionate or cost-effective to proceed with the appeal and did not propose to put it before Trustees.- LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ftlight wrote: > After our (well-justified) ranting about the fiasco, I suppose it > wouldn't hurt to be supportive now. > > I looked at the "BBC Nitro Public Licence" link and found this: > > "How can I use BBC Nitro? > > "You may: copy and use BBC Programme Metadata on your website, in your > application, blog, on a social media network or use BBC Programme > Metadata for academic research purposes; and customise BBC Programme > Metadata by selecting, deleting and rearranging identifiable sections of > it for those uses." > > The permission for use of the metadata "in your application" sounds > promising. Well who amongst us is best qualified to comment on the BBC blog itself ? I'm too ignorant of the details to make a really positive comment, whilst understanding what sort of potentially horrible wrinkles might yet surface. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ftlight wrote: > News on BBC Nitro, just posted on the Internet Blog: > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/bc82562e-ea9d-4655-982d-e6219b2c877b > > Some hope, perhaps: > > "Access to Nitro is provided via an API key. This determines the quota > (number of requests allowed in a given time interval) that each > developer application can use. This is useful as it allows us to ensure > that no single application can overwhelm the system and prevent critical > clients from obtaining their data. It also provides us with a way to > profile individual client usage and where appropriate provide ways to > optimize their use of Nitro. > > "To obtain a key to access Nitro it is necessary to register via the > Developer Portal. > > "Currently access is limited to BBC teams but we are working on the > changes required to open this up to external non-commercial and hobbyist > users; this should be available later this year (a project known as > Nitro Public). In the meantime you can read more about Nitro and how it > works in the documentation section of the portal, as well as the terms > of use and Nitro Public Licence. I know weve said this before, so > please bear with us we are working on it and will get it done this > year. > > "Nitro is also available for business and commercial use through a > syndication agreement. Details of this can be found here." Should one of us show polite and encouraging interest by commenting?? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS plugin UPnP/DLNA Bridge to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 15.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, plus spare, but unused. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
garym wrote: > Thousands of Jeff Tweedy fans are picking themselves off the floor. ;) Who? > (I'm more of a Jay Farrar (Son Volt) fan myself.) Who? Seriously - no idea who either of them are. It takes all sorts :D LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
garym wrote: > sorry, bad sense of humor: > > Uncle Tupelo (band) turned into two bands (1) Wilco and (2) Son Volt Ta - I've never heard of any of them, being the ignoramus that I am. So for me, wilco is more Biggles than band :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
garym wrote: > Son Volt Que? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Thanks - a last whirligig in the wind? Keep us up to date with outcome. Wilco. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Funny you should mention this but the Picasso version has been my avatar > on all my personal accounts for about 10 years. Any links to lost causes > in general and anthropomorphic global warming in particular are entirely > coincidental! > > To PasTim - you/we all have put so much wasted time into this business > already, if you could be bothered to do another "copy & paste" (just > like the BBC) and send that to the Trust then you should do so. Probably > achieve no more than any of us so far but a nice parting shot. I'll have a go, with no expectation of success. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
garym wrote: > Tilting at windmills? > > http://tinyurl.com/qg55u6m :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
I just received this. Should I bother to try? -" Thank you for taking the time to contact us and we appreciate that you felt strongly enough to write to us again. We have noted your points and are sorry to learn you were not satisfied with our earlier response. You've already had a response from Andrew Scott, the general manager for BBC iPlayer Radio and we are sorry to tell you that we have nothing to add to our previous reply. If you remain dissatisfied about our decision you can appeal to the BBC Trust, the body which represents licence fee payers. The Trust has asked that we should explain to complainants that the BBC's Royal Charter draws a clear distinction between the role of the Trust - which determines the overall scope of the BBC's services and sets its standards - and that of the BBC Executive - which runs the Corporation and decides what to broadcast and publish. The Trust does not entertain every appeal submitted to it. It will normally hear appeals about the Executives decisions only if a complainant can show that they involved a potential breach of the BBC's published standards, or that an operational decision has raised significant issues of general importance. The Trust is the final arbiter of which appeals it should consider. For the full information about the BBC Trusts appeals procedures please visit www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/governance/complaints_framework/. If you wish to submit an appeal you must write within 20 working days of receiving this reply, explaining why you wish to appeal. You can contact the BBC Trust at 180 Great Portland Street, London W1W 5QZ, or by emailing trust.editor...@bbc.co.uk. Please would you include for them the relevant case reference which you may have been given. Thank you again for contacting us. Kind regards Philip Young BBC Audience Services www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer"- LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > My second comment on the AF blog has now been excised. You are clearly a "very naughty boy" :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > Must have ruffled the blogger's ego, I fear. I don't even any space for comments. Did they delete the whole lot or am I looking in the wrong place? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
bpa wrote: > I expect it was WMA. WMA LA stayed around for a good while after WMA > live stopped. Very few non PC system played Flash because of the need > to have custom Flash parameters per station (to match the stations SWF > player) - it wasn't a general purpose audio format.OK - thanks. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
bpa wrote: > Did they play WMA or RTMP versions ? > > The syndicated XML feed initially had WMA and RealAudio and then > RealAudio was replaced by RTMP aka Flash Both stopped on March 9th. As I understand it (not a lot) WMA was stopped earlier (but maybe only the live, not LA?), and RTMP on March 9th. That's all I know. I don't have any other proof - both Internet Radio manuals are silent on the topic. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
bpa wrote: > The RTMP programs were in the XML feed which I interpret to mean they > were syndicated. They were only removed from the XML feed this year. > When the RTMP programs were first in the XML feed, Flash was proprietary > and only by reverse engineering Flash could RTMP be played. However > shortly after the RTMP program in the XML feed became available, Adobe > published the RTMP protocol and so implementation of Flash could be > written which were not reverse engineered. To play an RTMP feed, a > number of additional BBC specific parameters are needed. So although > BBC offered the RTMP programs in the XML feeds, the BBC may be claiming > only BBC had right to use the BBC specific parameters necessary to play > the programs but it could be argued that the only way to play the > offered syndicated programs was to use the additional parameters. This > may have resulted in plugin appearing to be a BBC player in BBC usage > stats. The BBCiPlayer plugin did not save or download the programs and > was not commercial, so it could be said the plugin complied with the > spirit of BBC restrictions. > > There is little point in arguing these issues with BBC any further as it > is best to keep relationship amicable. So Marantz, Musical Fidelity and many others also did this without the BBC knowing. Is that realistic? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
The latest response to my complaints is as below. The only new item I can see is that they do play some form of web page about the topic. The response to the LA RTMP question implies that several manufacturers implemented LA without 'permission'. Do we think that's really true? Are others trying to get the complaint to the next stage? I've asked the BBC several times without success thus far. Do I try to carry on or not? -Thank you for contacting the BBC iPlayer support team. I understand youre unhappy with changes made for Internet Radio streams and need proper explanation. As you have gone through all the blogs relating to the changes, Andrew Scott, General Scott has provided more explanation below: I apologise for the inconvenience that this has caused you. I can assure you that we are concerned about the effect on the users of Internet Radios, which is why we setup a team who have been working with manufacturers and aggregators over the last 14 months to prepare for these changes. We did communicate the changes to manufacturers and aggregators 14 months ago, and our expectation was that the information would then get through to their users. That has clearly not been the case and we have apologised for that. There are a number of ways that we would do things differently in hindsight, including more on-air announcements that changes were happening so that users could find out more online.We posted a blog detailing the changes to the WMA on demands in September which triggered more engagement from manufacturers. The inclusion of the SHOUTcast/MP3 live streams was specifically to address the Internet Radio users whose devices were not capable of consuming the HLS/AAC live streams. The vast majority of online radio listening is live, so we believe that this was the priority service to prolong the useful life of those devices. The RTMP streams were not syndicated (made available to third parties). We did not support anyone using those except our own applications. The fact that people were using them is because they had been reverse engineered which is against the terms under which we provide our streams and metadata. The fact that they were switched off without notice was simply because we did not expect anyone to be using them. The complex nature of the systems which take our metadata and streams and make them available to Internet Radios means we don't have control of the end user experience in the way that we do for devices like iPlayer Radio. This has resulted in more disruption for audiences than necessary because some devices weren't switched across to the new streams even when they would have been able to use them. We are planning a permanent page (not a blog page) to provide more information about these changes. I hope this explanation provide the information you are looking for. Once again thank you for contacting BBC iPlayer. Kind regards Usha Devi Peri BBC Complaints www.bbc.co.uk/complaints - LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
chipmonk wrote: > yes, i noticed that this morning. It'll probably have as little effect > as everything else which is written in the bbc blog. > > I guess we're all getting a bit frustrated and edgy over this whole > business. > > Pax. Indeed :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you are banging on about. > You requested advice and, in good faith, we gave it - with reasons. What > you do with that advice is your business. Some of us have simply said > that we think that, at this stage in our very "asymmetrical > negotiations" with the BBC, we may have more to lose than to gain by > alerting the BBC to the RTMP streams. > > As for hypocrisy - where on earth does that come into it? The BBC is > withholding information which would allow its paying audience to listen > to its output - whilst telling everyone what a splendid job it's doing. > Their withholding of information is detrimental to listeners. We are > simply trying to get back the service we have paid for - well those of > us in the UK anyway. Firstly, we don't know the validity of the "RTMP > stream information" and secondly, any blagging on our part long lines of > "Hey Auntie, we know something about RTMP which you don't" can merely > result in further degradation of our services. Some of us would regard > that as counter-productive. > > Therefore, I'm not sure what good your somewhat "holier than thou" > approach would achieve but, no doubt, you'll do as your conscience, or > ego, dictates. > > You are not alone in feeling a little delicate about all this - many of > us have wasted far too much of our time on it over the past six weeks. > I'd much rather be doing something else but, perhaps like you, I believe > this is a battle worth fighting, especially on behalf of those less > technically able than ourselves. > > We have precious little leverage with the BBC so shouldn't squander what > little we have - or get sidetracked with internal squabbles. > > Rant Over! Someone else has commented about this on the bbc blog today, so the issue has got out into the open anyway. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > It's the only one we've got! But, it doesn't have to be this way! If we accuse the BBC of unnecessary secrecy, and then indulge ourselves in the same habits we are as bad as they are. They say they are defending themselves, ditto here. I can't be party to such hypocrisy for ever, so no indeed, it doesn't have to be this way. I see some browser LA streams are definitetly 320kbps according to Flash. But I'll not comment yet. Please don't prod me too hard, I'm feeling somewhat fragile at the moment and don't want to feel pushed into reacting against the very well intentioned advice here. Can we leave it alone for now, please? Thanks in advance :-) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
> JohnB;812622 I'm not sure I can live in this sort of world. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
JohnB wrote: > I was initially tempted to raise the matter myself on the BBC Internet > Blog but decided against doing so as it might prompt the BBC to take > action to stop the RTMP on-demand streams earlier than they might do > otherwise. > > It is currently our only source if 320 kbps Radio 3 Listen Again. I > realise that for some people that is of little consequence and regard it > as a minor issue but there are others for whom the Radio 3 320 kbps is > of major importance. > > I would strongly discourage you from challenging Andrew Scott over the > continued existence of the RTMP LA streams, whether or not they are > still used by the BBC's browser client. If the streams are still used by the browser they aren't going to stop them are they? And if they do change the browser the service we use will almost certainly stop anyway. Still, I will, as I've said, hold off for now. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Since Squeezebox users are largely on top of this situation, thanks to > the efforts of key members of this community, those of us still slugging > it out with the Beeb are doing it largely on behalf of a "silent > minority" who may, or may not, give a damn! Your objectives are > admirable but I'd prefer to see more evidence that the BBC would use > your information for good rather than harm. I can't answer your > question about RTMP use for PC streams - but it's important that we get > these facts absolutely right before we accuse the BBC management of > being misinformed. I'm not feeling noble, just annoyed! Still, I agree that I shouldn't say anything until and unless I'm very sure of my facts (although we do know for sure that bpa's BBCiPlayer Extras is still using RTMP, don't we?). Even then I'll try not to say anything unless I can persuade at least some people here that it is for the best. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > My inclination would be to hold fire on this. The BBC have so far > conceded very little and delivered even less. We have more to lose than > to gain in using this information in the current impasse. Let's just see > if their position changes (unlikely) or they start saying things which > even more blatantly contradict the facts as we see them. OK, as I said to Castalla I'll hold fire for now. I am, however, thinking of a wider world than ours. If LA could be restored for more people that would be a good thing. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > Not a good idea - they could just as easily mess the up the whole > caboodle (based on past experience!). If it ain't broke, don't fix > it! > > I'm sure you're right about them being out-of-the-loop since I suspect > the whole thing (despite claims they are involved) is being implemented > by Unified Streaming and maybe the interface with the BBC end is > being handled by the ubiquitous 'Kevin' who's probably on a zero-hours > contract. You did see W1A, didn't you???!!! I have no idea what W1A is, sorry. I'll hold fire for a bit, but can someone tell me if what I read about RTMP still being used for computer-based Listen Again is correct? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
I am finding it increasing difficult not to tell the BBC that when they say RTMP was turned off, and that's why Listen Again doesn't work on Internet Radios, that they are telling an untruth. My understanding is that they did was change the URLs in a way the devices couldn't handle. Some may say that if I do this they really may turn the feeds off. But I also have read that they are used for computer iPlayer Listen Again feeds, so there's no risk to the great facilities provided by bpa for now. The reason I feel the BBC should be told is that it shows they don't know what is really going on at all, and that the change could probably be reversed if they put their minds to it (even if just by clever use of URLs). Can I ask for comments? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > 10/10 for persistence! Just post it on the blog! Indeed. I also started to make a comment on the blog, but because the iPlayer 'help' URL has 'tv' in it guessed I would be ignored again. I have asked for my complaint to be escalated to stage 2 but doubt anything will happen. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Just a tiny sign that the BBC is now starting to show some signs of > cooperation? > > "Thank you for contacting the BBC iPlayer Support Team. > I understand you are unhappy with the changes to internet radio > streams? > We have been working with manufacturers regarding the recent audio > format changes. If you could get back in touch using the contact us form > on the link below letting us know what equipment you are using we could > maybe see what the latest information from the manufacturer is. > Please provide the further details weve asked for via the webform > below: > http://bbc.in/iplayeremail > Remember to include the case number above (starting CAS) when contacting > us again. > We look forward to hearing from you again. > Kind regards > Caoilfhionn Cassidy > BBC Audience Services" There's a clue here. When it asks 'How are you accessing BBC iPlayer', how would you respond 'Internet Radio'? The option doesn't even exist! LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
And I'm just despairing. I need to take a break from this. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
ChipMonk wrote: > Thanks garym - I should have said, I've already had a quick go at this > but without much success. I couldn't get the plugin to load on my RasPi2 > LMS and I got so much incomprehensible perl stuff loading onto my SD > card that I ended up dumping it and starting again. . Castella looked at > this a few years back, again with only limited success I believe. I > think that, faced with the new realities vis a vis the BBC and the major > presence of the Applesphere (as I like to call it) it would be nice if > there was a new look into doing this right. But I'm afraid, when it > comes to issues as technical as this, I'm just a sad old leecher. One problem I don't have, thank heavens. Home is an i-Free zone (apart from iPlayer!). LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
The people I feel sorry for are those who just listen to Internet Radio without much knowledge of what's going on, will have lost Listen Again on March 9th, and will lose the replacement mp3 streams sometime sooner rather than later, particularly blind users. Folk able to get to this forum (or minimstreamer for live radio) and tinker a bit will probably be OK, although some of us may have run out of steam, and swear words, before this current process ends with the withdrawal of the RTMP streams and introduction of DASH, maybe, sometime, who knows? Meanwhile the BBC will ignore us because have made up their minds. I can't see any way of affecting this. I have sent emails to Hall, Scott & Co, all of which have been ignored. I'm pursuing a complaint but don't honestly expect any positive result. Back to my music. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
castalla wrote: > Five Live is doing a Tech, help phone-in from 1am today. > > Anybody in the UK fancy calling and asking what device can be used to > get BBC listen again ? A good idea, but I really can't do this. I'm not up to it. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] BBC online radio fiasco - comments, news, moans, campaigns
I got a response from the BBC today regarding my most recent complaint. They completely ignored my complaint about Listen Again, and gave their standard response: -Thank you for contacting the BBC iPlayer Support Team. I understand you are unhappy with decision over Audio format closures. We thought long and hard before deciding on the direction for Audio Factory. The system replaces, not just the online streaming systems for national radio, but also the systems for the nations and local radio. As such we had to make choices around standardisation. We have decided to use the http streaming formats HLS, HDS and DASH. We began communicating our plans to internet radio manufacturers over 12 months ago. HLS streams are now available to internet radios and aggregators that wish to use them. We have been working with various manufacturers to help them develop their products where possible to support our new streams. We are actively working on delivering our audio using the non-proprietary DASH delivery format to support other manufacturers and their devices going forward. The Shoutcast AAC streams we provided for network radio only, relied on very old hardware and unsupported software. They had a very high support overhead. We have kept a single shoutcast stream of every live service to support devices that will never be able to play HLS, HDS or DASH streams. Whist we cannot promise to support shoutcast for more than 1 to 2 years, we will monitor the number of users and the quality of our service and base our decision making on the impact to the audience. Our new ShoutCast streams are unrestricted which means that we can make them available both in the UK and globally, this significantly simplifies how they are served, but does mean that users whose devices can only receive the ShoutCast stream and not one of the new HTTP streaming formats will hear a version of the stream which will blank sport where the BBC does not hold international rights. The new HTTP streams are available in both UK and international variants, which allows those in the UK to continue to enjoy the Sport that we broadcast as usual. We are investigating to see whether there is anything we can do to return access to the UK streams for those who are affected by this, we are working hard to get this resolved before big occasions like the Country Cricket. I hope that manufacturers will be able to support our new streams or upgrade existing devices as time goes on, and we will do our best to support them as the technology continues to evolve. Weve published a new blog that addresses some of these points and is also worth reading: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/entries/977a1954-658f-4fb2-a23c-71680c49882f#comments I hope this information helped. Thanks for contacting us. Kind regards Patrick Clyde BBC Audience Services www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer - There really is no hope for us dealing with such organisations. :( LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp to MF M1 CLiC (to MF amp & ESLs) & Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Minimserver (server) & upplay (control point) to same renderers & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Squeezelite to Meridian USB Explorer DAC to speakers/phones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop with firefox/upplay or Android 'phone with Squeeze-Commander/BubbleUPnP controls LMS/Minimserver. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=103311 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I also just play local FLACs and don't use streaming services much except the BBC and occasionally other radio stations. If I wanted to use one or more streaming services such as Qobuz, Spotify etc I'd have to pay for that anyway, well over £100 per year each. I probably wouldn't want to pay much on top of that to get the services via LMS - maybe a small single yearly supplement, but only a few pounds/euros/dollars I might pay something, since LMS is so good, but not a lot. However, I'm probably not typical :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > ... I'm still hoping to get philipp_44's solution to work for me. And now it does! squeeze2upnp is the business. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Take a look at squeeze2upnp. It's still in beta form, but I've been using it for some time. If you rely on LMS, don't need multi-system synchronisation, and have UPnP amplifiers, it's well worth trying. See https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I'd just like to put in a plug for a linux UPnP Control Point I found recently, called upplay. When used with a good UPnP server such as minimserver it's almost as good as LMS on my UPnP-compliant amplifiers. The same author also has a way of running a UPnP renderer on a linux PC, called upmpdcli. See http://www.lesbonscomptes.com/upplay/ . LMS has all sorts of spohistication I don't use, and some I still need such as being able to develop tools such as random play of classical 'works' at or above a specified rating range. I'm still hoping to get philipp_44's solution to work for me. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Alternatively squeezelite to a bit of home-cooked code and thence to M1 CLiC using a UPNP stream. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
aubuti wrote: > ... with "album" defined however you wish. I prefer to tag so that > album=work, whether or not that corresponds to what is on a particular > disc I like to preserve the 'Album' concept (I have many recital type Albums containing excerpts of many Works), so have custom tags for 'Work', 'Movement' and 'WorkArtist', and use Erland's excellent plugins to provide menus for them. Some other servers also support such custom tags, but generally not as well. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > ...For that project, I've decided to try to see if I could build a > fully SW, auto-setup, no complicated installation required, bridge > between each Sonos device and LMS... As I said, I'd be very interested to see how you get on - please keep us posted! LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree. But a big part of the problem with UPnP, in my > mind, is that it's mostly implemented in products with closed > software/firmware. > That's why I don't really use any of it except the stream capture feature. I have three different devices that all work with a plain flac stream with no library information and no control facility required of them other than to decode the stream they are given. The only tweak I have to apply is to use different quality output (24/96 for 2, 24/192 for the other - mainly just to prove it works!). Using UPnP renderers as controllers, using libraries, different formats etc, I agree with you. I have a Humax PVR which is very particular with both video formats and how the library works - very few video streams work at all. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > ...I still think if you don't need much of the functionality of LMS, it > may be better to switch to a different product entirely. For example, > have you looked at 'Asset UPnP' > (http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm)? > I use LMS, with additional plugins supporting non-standard tags and customised menus, precisely because the LMS software user interface is way ahead of anything else I have used. MinimServer and foobar2000 come close in their own ways, but are still not nearly as good (I haven't tried Asset, not least because it isn't free). One of the enormous advantages of open and free software is that forums, like this one, often work really well. One can comment on 'features', and get answers. No one is saying "it isn't worth the money", and so on. > ...I think ReplayGain tags based on EBU R128 (as implemented in fb2k) > work reasonably well. Mastering of albums tends to get louder from year > to year. To me, the loudness jump when listening, say, to an album > mastered in the 2000s right after an album mastered in the late 1980s > seems very artificial. I listen almost exclusively to classical music, which tends to have a much wider dynamic range than other styles of music. I find it best if I choose the volume I want rather than relying on software to do it for me :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
dafiend wrote: > Isn't UPnP a HUGE step back? What about replaygain, gapless playback, > support for wide variety of formats, tight synchronization of devices > etc. > I never use replaygain since I find the effect very artificial (I have never understood why people use it). Playing using the tools I am using is gapless since it is a continuous stream from squeezlite (which is gapless), not a separate series of tracks. The renderer knows nothing about the tracks. All my tracks are flacs, and anyway LMS and squeezelite manage transformations perfectly well. And finally, I don't synchronise devices in separate rooms - I sit down to listen to music. I just find all the extra hardware, software and cables to be extra sources of problems (and maintenance), preferring to pipe digitally from the server to the end DAC with only ethernet (and associated switches) in the way. We are all different :-) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Thanks - I'll try to create something that is a single app that puts > together Squeezelite and a uPNP media controller (basic) to instruct a > uPNP media renderer (Sonos in my case) to HTTP-GET the audio from that > app. I want everything together in a single app as I want to avoid > transcoding for the sake of CPU efficiency. I'm not sure I'll be able to > do that and it will certainly take me some time anyway, especially > because, despite I'm a SW developer, I'm not familiar at all with uPNP, > so we'll see, might be failure :-) I've started going through uPNP specs > and all different options, available libraries for both Linux and > Windows. But I'll certainly learn from the work you have done ! Good luck! When you get something working I wouldn't mind trying it myself if you are willing to make it available. If I could have worked out how to tack on the UPnP streaming code to squeezelite I would have done it in the one application myself, but I'm too rusty at software development. Reducing the amount of transcoding would be sensible but I couldn't manage that. I don't need my renderer to display what it was playing, so stream capture is good enough for my needs. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
philippe_44 wrote: > Hi - I am interested (bridging LMS and Sonos) See my post at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showth...l=1#post783536 It isn't quite perfect, but I now use it all the time. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > So, should I publish on the "3rd Party Software sub-forum" and see what > follows? Well I have done. See http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101721-Using-LMS-with-network-connected-amplifiers-without-SB-devices&p=783536&viewfull=1#post783536 In future I'll use that new thread for any updates, rather than this one. Note that there are some changes and additions to the start-up script, described in section 5b, and quite a lot of change to the python program. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I think I have got as far as I can without input from those more knowledgeable, and probably wiser, than I. The state of play now is that: - I have cleaned up the logs so that they aren't full of trace callback errors whenever the player/renderer is restarted - spare flac/sox programs (usually) aren't left lying around - there are a few configuration additions from the versions published here up to now, such that the python program shouldn't have to be edited - I've sprinkled a few hopefully helpful comments in the scripts - I am finishing up some documentation on how to set it up. However: 1) wavs play fine up to the limit of a single wav (> 3 hours for CD quality) and then stop - reselecting the playlist on the player/renderer restarts it 2) flacs play providing there is something has already started playing when the player/renderer selects the stream URL. However if you pause a track and restart it, and sometimes when changing tracks, you often have to reselect the stream URL on the player/renderer. I suspect the problem is that when nothing is playing, flac (from the flac or sox programs) produces no output (unlike for wavs from sox when there is a constant stream of data) and the stream protocol fails. I am not quite sure if there is an absolute upper time limit on the flac stream but it's > 3 hours at 24/192 provided the music doesn't stop! So, should I publish on the "3rd Party Software sub-forum" and see what follows? LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
Mnyb wrote: > Another venue to explore is to "rescue" LMS own dlna plugin debug and > extend it's capability , do you still have squeezelite instances as > middlemen and players . I do get why to LMS they are just fully > functionally squeezeboxes . I'd use the LMS dlna plugin to select the http stream (from an m3u playlist containing just the http stream URL) if I could, but it doesn't seem to have that functionality. I use minimserver instead. I'm sure other servers would do just as well for this very limited functionality of getting a URL to a renderer. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I'm close, but still have a niggle or 2. I've had it running on flac 24/96 for nearly 3 hours so far without a stop, so I think the maximum size issue is resolved by using flac. However, with flac output (generated using flac or sox), when play stops at the end of the current list, and then you start playing again, the renderer doesn't play straight away. If you reselect the stream on the renderer it plays. A similar problem occurs if you pause play using the web page and then restart. I'm preparing a fuller explanation of how to get all this up and running and will publish it on a separate thread fairly soon. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
ralphy wrote:
> Yes, please and thank you.
Here you are.
Note that you need to supply all the environment variables as shown
here, included the FORMAT as WAV (uses sox) or FLAC (uses flac), and
COMPRESSION -0 to -8 (or --fast), and the HOST IP address.
Script to kill off any existing player and start again.
Code:
pkill -SIGKILL -f playstreamMF
pkill -SIGKILL -f Play-Stream-MF
export BITRATE=192000
export DEPTH=24
export VBPORT=8082
export COMPRESSION="-4"
export FORMAT='FLAC'
export HOST="192.168.1.10"
/storage/Scripts/squeezelite-streamMF.sh 2>
/storage/Scripts/squeezeliteMF.err | /storage/Scripts/playstreamMF 2>>
/storage/Scripts/playstreamMF.err &
With WAV the player stops when it has received 2^31 bytes. Reselecting
the stream on the player restarts it. I'm not sure whether it is doing
something similar for FLAC (I haven't had long enough to do enough
tests).
With FLAC, if you pause playing using the LMS web interface you seem to
need to restart the player. This isn't true with WAV. Starting the
FLAC stream is also somewhat temperamental on both my players. I think
this is to do with the player software rather than the python program.
If you select the stream and leave it alone it seems to run reliably for
at least a couple of hours.
The python program.
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess # For running flac, sox
or whatever
import sys# For writing to stderr
import os # For environment
variables
HOST = os.environ.get('HOST') # The server host. Can
also be set to ""
PORT = int(os.environ.get('VBPORT'))# An http port
BITRATE = int(os.environ.get('BITRATE')) # Bitrate 44100, 48000,
96000 or 192000
DEPTH = int(os.environ.get('DEPTH')) # A valid depth - 16,
24 or 32
COMPRESSION = os.environ.get('COMPRESSION') # Set to -4, or
--fast or similar for flac
FORMAT = os.environ.get('FORMAT') # Format must be FLAC
or WAV
FLACMIMETYPE = 'audio/flac'
WAVMIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
sys.stderr.write (str(s.client_address) + str(', ') + str(s.path) + str(', ')
+ str(s.command) + '\n')
s.send_response(200) # OK
if FORMAT == "FLAC":# A Flac or WAV audio
format
MIMETYPE = FLACMIMETYPE
else:
MIMETYPE = WAVMIMETYPE
s.send_header('Content-Type', MIMETYPE) # Wav/flac
# We don't, and can't know the length. However, sending a Content-Length
header with flac doesn't work, so I don't.
# I also tried 'chunked' output, but that didn't work with one of my
renderers and flac.
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD() # Send the headers
# Use flac or sox to transform raw data to flac or wav, using the environment
variables for bitrate and depth (bits) and compression.
# All input is raw from stdin, and out to stdout (default for -c). Warnings
are errors. No info/error messages.
if FORMAT == "FLAC":
engine = 'flac - -w --totally-silent --force-raw-format --channels 2 --bps '
+ str(DEPTH) + ' --sample-rate ' + str(BITRATE) + ' --endian little --sign
signed ' + str(COMPRESSION)
elif FORMAT == "WAV":
engine = 'sox -t raw -r ' + str(BITRATE) + ' -b ' + str(DEPTH) + ' -L
-e signed -c 2 - -t wav - '
else:
sys.stderr.write(str('Assuming WAV format') + '\n')
engine = 'sox -t raw -r ' + str(BITRATE) + ' -b ' + str(DEPTH) + ' -L
-e signed -c 2 - -t wav - '
pa = subprocess.Popen (engine, shell = True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout =
subprocess.PIPE)
# Loop until no data or an error, reading and writing.
try:
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write(data)
sys.stderr.write(str('No more data') + '\n')
except: # Any error is bad news
for real time data
sys.stderr.write(str('Exception whilst reading audio stream') + '\n')
raise
# Done. Report and kill off the subprocess.
finally:
pa.kill()
# Execution starts here
# Allow the port to be re-used. If there's a failure but the client keeps
the port open, restarting the server can fail
# unless this is set.
SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True
# Define the server, using the above host and port, executing the Handler
class
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer((HOST, PORT), Handler)
sys.stderr.write(str('listening on port ') + str(PORT)
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
PasTim wrote: > I'm getting this problem with both flac and sox (sending flac format). > It seems a thread is left running whenever the player reconnects. I'm > struggling to find a way to kill it, my python skills being negligible. > I don't recall seeing this when I sent wav format, but it may be that I > just didn't notice. I've cracked that problem, but I should probably do more testing before going public. Ralphy - if you want my revised flac script just let me know and I'll post it here. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
ralphy wrote: > This is what happens to me with sox and flac, but using the older script > verion. > > I'll retry sox with the newer script to see if I get the same behaviour. > I'm running debian 7 32-bit. I'm getting this problem with both flac and sox (sending flac format). It seems a thread is left running whenever the player reconnects. I'm struggling to find a way to kill it, my python skills being negligible. I don't recall seeing this when I sent wav format, but it may be that I just didn't notice. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
get.amped wrote: > And yet you have made remarkable progress from when you first posed the > question and will at least have a "proof of concept" that should be of > continuing value. This forum is full of threads that represent the work > started by one person to address a specific need that then is expanded > upon by others to do more. Thanks for the encouragement. I shall persist! LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
get.amped wrote: > Your perseverance is admirable. I have been following this thread with > some interest even though I do not specifically have a scenario in which > this implementation is useful. I really hope you work all the kinks out. > When you do, maybe you will post another thread in the 3rd Party > Software sub-forum with an appropriate heading and specific steps you > found worked? I believe others will undertake this project once the > trail is blazed but it's not obvious what path you took from the thread > title. Thanks. If and when I finally get all of the kinks out of this I'll start a new thread. It will, however, only show what works with my systems, my software skills being somewhat limited these days in terms of providing a well thought out generic solution. I am, for my sins, very much a hack at this :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
bpa wrote: > Before heading down this direction you'd need to check whether your > player can actually play a http/flac stream as in your stream.flac. It > is not common format and as such I think many players don't know how to > handle it. > > If you want to explore this - you can try getting VLC to produce a > http/flac stream that is playable by your player. I tried a while a few > years ago and never succeeded but things may have changed in the > meantime. My main test player/renderers can play flac. Using minimal compression flac is using less cpu that sox used to. My other player seems not to, but I may not have set it up right. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote:
> I've not reported on my success, as I haven't been able to get the
> scripts to work consistently with my popcorn hour. 1 time in 4 play
> attempts connect and play the stream.
Thanks. I believe the time-limiting problem was the wav file (as bpa
suggested). I am, coincidentally, also trying flac as I write, my
script now as below. I'm passing some environment variables so I can
ensure squeezelite and the python program do the same thing. So far
with this version the first time I tried to connect it appeared to
succeed but didn't play, but from then on it's been flawless. However,
I have to wait an hour or more on my test system to know if it's going
to stop, which limits my testing opportunities. What problems do you
get that cause it to fail?
It seems a bit silly to get my flacs converted to raw in squeezelite,
and back to flac again, but never mind. If LMS had a 'stream.flac' as
well as a 'stream.mp3' all this would be unnecessary, but I guess that's
a wish too far!
Python - playstreamMarantz (a symbolic link to the python program so I
can have multiple distinguishable copies) - a version using 'chunked'
output - change the HOST for your system:
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess # For running sox
import sys# For writing to stderr
import os # For environment
variables
PORT = int(os.environ.get('VBPORT'))
HOST = "192.168.1.10"
BITRATE = int(os.environ.get('BITRATE'))
DEPTH = int(os.environ.get('DEPTH'))
MIMETYPE = 'audio/flac'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
sys.stderr.write (str(s.client_address) + str(', ') + str(s.path) + str(', ')
+ str(s.command) + '\n')
s.send_response(200) # OK
s.send_header('Content-Type', MIMETYPE) # Wav
s.send_header('Content-Length', '0') # length unknown
s.send_header('Transfer-Encoding', 'chunked') # Chunked
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD() # Send the headers
# Use flac to transform raw data to flac, using the environment variables for
bitrate and depth (bits)
pa = subprocess.Popen('flac - -c --channels 2 --bps ' + str(DEPTH) + '
--sample-rate ' + str(BITRATE) + ' --endian little --sign signed --fast', shell
= True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
# Loop until no data, reading and writing
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write('%X\r\n%s\r\n'%(len(data), data))
# Done. Send null chunk
s.wfile.write('0\r\n\r\n')
sys.stderr.write(str('stream closed') + '\n')
# Allow the port to be re-used. If there's a failure but the client keeps
the port open, restarting the server can fail
# unless this is set.
SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer((HOST, PORT), Handler)
sys.stderr.write(str('listening on port ') + str(PORT) + '\n')
# And now do the above
try:
httpd.serve_forever()
# Close if run from terminal and closed, or a sigkill/term is received.
except (KeyboardInterrupt, SystemExit):
pass # Nothing
httpd.server_close()
Squeezelite - squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh - (using version 1.6.2 -
which works with a log file)
Code:
/home/.../Programs/squeezelite-x86-64 -o - -a $DEPTH -n Play-Stream-Marantz
-m 00:00:00:00:00:02 -r $BITRATE -p 25 -u X -s localhost:3483 -f
/storage/Scripts/squeezeliteMarantz.log -d output=info
Main script to run the player.
Code:
pkill -SIGKILL -f playstreamMarantz
pkill -SIGKILL -f Play-Stream-Marantz
BITRATE=96000
DEPTH=24
VBPORT=8083
export BITRATE
export DEPTH
export VBPORT
/storage/Scripts/squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh 2>
/storage/Scripts/squeezliteMarantz.err | /storage/Scripts/playstreamMarantz 2>
/storage/Scripts/playstreamMarantz.err &
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC.
Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian
Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as
required. Spare Touch in loft.
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bpa wrote: > This "feels" like the maximum frame count in the WAV file header. Is > you solution sending audio as WAV stream or a WAV file with a WVA > header ? If so what is the length the header ? IIRC a length of 0 > should be assumed by the "player" as infinite/stream but not all players > understand it. IIRC LMS veraion fo Flac was modded to generate a WAV > header length of 0 and sometimes users replace the LMS Flac by a > standard distro Flac and get a similar problem with transcoded stream. I have looked at the wav file (created by sox) that is being streamed, and it does indeed have a size of just under 2GB. I tried setting the overall file size to 0 (after a rather rapid bit of learning about python, with which I am almost totally unfamiliar), which neither renderer liked. I also tried setting the data chunk size to 0, and again neither renderer liked that. So it looks as if you are correct, as usual :) I discovered there is an extended version of wav, called w64, but I suspect neither of my renderers will like it. I'll give it a quick try if I can get sox to support it. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bpa wrote: > This "feels" like the maximum frame count in the WAV file header. Is > you solution sending audio as WAV stream or a WAV file with a WVA > header ? If so what is the length the header ? IIRC a length of 0 > should be assumed by the "player" as infinite/stream but not all players > understand it. IIRC LMS veraion fo Flac was modded to generate a WAV > header length of 0 and sometimes users replace the LMS Flac by a > standard distro Flac and get a similar problem with transcoded stream. I'm streaming wav over http. Since I don't (and can't) know the total length I am using the chunked transfer coding. I have seen elsewhere that some systems impose a 2GB limit on a stream, but all I really know as yet is that at 2GB the stream is closed, I believe by the client but I can't prove it. I'll try setting the 'content length' to 0 as well. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Yet another thread on replacing squeezebox devices
I have hit a problem with my method that currently appears to have no solution, so if you are trying it, beware. Briefly, I cannot send more than 2GigaBytes (2^31 - 2,147,483,648). The connection is closed at that point and must be manually restarted at the renderer. This is about 31 minutes at 24/192, 62 minutes at 24/96, or over 3 hours at CD quality. A bit of a pain really. I've tried sending 'chunks' in the HTTP protocol, which made no difference. This is not the place to ask questions about this so I won't bore you with the details. However, if you happen to know the answer I'd be very grateful! There must be a way round it, but so far no joy. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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epoch1970 wrote: > @PasTim: would you have any need for that? 'Init script to launch > multiple squeezelite players' > (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?98261-Sys-V-init-script-to-manage-multiple-squeezelite-players&p=740201&viewfull=1#post740201) > Not that the code is exemplary. But I had picked on OpenVPN's startup > scripts design, which is very flexible in that it allows to launch (all > or) any tunnel instance, each with its own configuration peculiarities. > > Per-player launch scripts are sourced by the main script, so you can > basically do anything you want in it (including shutdown or rm -rf /, > indeed.) Players scripts receive the stop or start context information, > same as the caller. > The scripts are outdated I think, some SL options have changed or have > been added since I wrote this. > Just in case, and recognizing the winner of an uphill battle ;) Thanks. If I get into difficulty with my current method of starting squeezelite I'll certainly try this. As things are it's all working OK for now :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Triode wrote: > I believe if you use squeezelite 1.6.2 or the latest git you should not > need to do this? Quite correct. I only just found this out from the main squeezelite thread - thanks. I'll tweak my script accordingly. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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PasTim wrote: > I have one more fix applied to the script, adding > > SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True > > This allows the http port to be reused if the script is killed and > restarted, at which point the player will renderer will stop and lose > the connection, which seems reasonable to me. > > The internet is a wonderful thing. I found this knowing next to nothing > about sockets, ports and python. :) One, hopefully final, tweak, is a way to get the squeezelite log. Add -d output=info (or whatever level you want) to the squeezelite script and in the script that pipes the output add 2> /squeezelite.err before the pipe. I have updated the scripts in comment #51 accordingly. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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lrossouw wrote: > Not a bad solution you got there. I would personally prefer the a > Pi/wandboard solution but this may be useful/simple way to use other > devices that cannot run squeezelite or similar but do play streams. I > think you can try to sync using timing settings on the server somewhere. > It's not that easy and it won't be as good as a typical setup. Thanks. One less bit of hardware, cables, digital interfaces, plus operating system, seems much simpler and neater to me, but I know some people like having another bit of kit. I did briefly try syncing (and I have the syncoptions plugin installed), but I don't think it will work too well. I've never used it other than for idle interest, so I'm not too bothered. LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote: > Thank you for the update. > > Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to try it out last night, hopefully > tonight. I have one more fix applied to the script, adding SocketServer.TCPServer.allow_reuse_address = True This allows the http port to be reused if the script is killed and restarted, at which point the player will renderer will stop and lose the connection, which seems reasonable to me. The internet is a wonderful thing. I found this knowing next to nothing about sockets, ports and python. :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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To anyone trying out my scripts. I'm having a very strange problem whenever I stop and restart squeezelite (which I've tried to do for testing). Squeezelite goes up to 100% CPU almost every time. It seems to stop OK, but then when started again it chews up a CPU. Because I can't get a log yet, I can't figure out what the problem is. So don't stop and restart squeezelite running in this mode :( LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Owen Smith wrote: > If I had a DLNA renderer in my amp I would be trying this out, it seems > like a great idea to me. I agree with not creating more hardware boxes > if none are needed.I know there's a mass of amplifiers out there without an > ethernet connection, so additional hardware is needed. However, many at all price levels do now provide this. I believe almost all that have an ethernet (or wireless) connection support DLNA. I'll be keeping my used Touch, and the one in a box in my loft, just in case :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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ralphy wrote:
> I'm interested.
>
> I couldn't use stdout from squeezelite in the python script without
> pretty much rewriting it.
>
> I modified the pa script yesterday to use arecord from an ALSA loopback
> and with squeezelite output pointed to the same loopback device, I could
> stream the content but it rebuffered a lot. I suspect playing around
> with the buffer sizes might fix it, but from your post in the
> squeezelite thread, sounds like your solution is much cleaner.
>
> Thanks in advance.
And here I was assuming that your initial reply was implying (very
politely) that it was all easy and I was being slow in not understanding
how to do it! Maybe I should have more faith in my own tinkering
abilities :)
My squeezelite script, named squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh, for my
Marantz player that will play 24/96 quality, is:
Code:
./squeezelite-x86-64 -o - -a 24 -n Play-Stream-Marantz -m
00:00:00:00:00:02 -r 96000 -p 25 -u X -s localhost:3483
where ... is the path to squeezelite. The -u X makes sure that the
output is at the specified rate, and the -m MAC is there to allow me to
run multiple players by varying the MAC.
My python script, named playstreamMarantz, for the same player, is as
below. The input to sox must be the same as the output from
squeezelite. The script makes the stream available on port 8083 without
further resampling.
Code:
#!/usr/bin/python
import BaseHTTPServer
import SocketServer
import subprocess
PORT = 8083
MIMETYPE = 'audio/x-wav'
BUFFER = 65536
class Handler(BaseHTTPServer.BaseHTTPRequestHandler):
def do_HEAD(s):
print s.client_address, s.path, s.command
s.send_response(200)
s.send_header('content-type', MIMETYPE)
s.end_headers()
def do_GET(s):
s.do_HEAD()
pa = subprocess.Popen('sox -t raw -r 96000 -b 24 -L -e signed -c 2 - -t wav -
', shell = True, bufsize = BUFFER, stdout = subprocess.PIPE)
while True:
data = pa.stdout.read(1024)
if len(data) == 0: break
s.wfile.write(data)
print 'stream closed'
httpd = SocketServer.TCPServer(("", PORT), Handler)
print "listening on port", PORT
try:
httpd.serve_forever()
except KeyboardInterrupt:
pass
httpd.server_close()
To run the player I run the following as the squeezelite user. I do
this by using a user command defined in the LMS server power control
plugin, which appears in the Extras menu. I also include it as a
command named '.autoexec' in that plugin, so it starts when LMS is
started. It starts by killing off any squeezelite and python script
previously running.
Code:
pkill -f Play-Stream-Marantz
pkill playstreamMarantz
sleep 5
/squeezelite-streamMarantz.sh | /playstreamMarantz >
./playstreamMarantz.out 2>&1 &
All scripts must be executable by the squeezeboxserver user.
To be tidier I could parameterise the scripts so that the rate, port and
so on where specified once in the startup script.
I still can't get the squeezelite log, but I am not using any audio
device or sink, which seems to me to be a clean solution. I've been
playing this all morning, OK so far.
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit,
44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC.
Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian
Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as
required. Spare Touch in loft.
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I have now worked out how to pipe squeezelite directly to sox (not too hard, but I'm a little slow on the uptake at times), which packs it into a wav format and makes it available over http via UPnP to my players. I have also cracked the maximum bit rate issue, which was a setting needed on squeezelite to ensure it output at a specified rate and no other so sox knows what it is getting. I can run separate squeezelites for each renderer, and a local one as well. Whether I can get them to sync I don't know yet, but I'm not that fussed about that. I can also now dispose once again of pulseaudio. If anyone is interested in how this now works I'll post more here. If not, thanks for all your help, if not altogether too encouraging from some! :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi running Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. Wired Touch + EDO, coax to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS via Chromium. Meridian Explorer USB DAC to listen via Squeezelite on Vortexbox & other PCs as required. Spare Touch in loft. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=101622 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
