Re: [slim] Anyone thought about AIRPLAY support in Squeezebox Server?
pippin;695977 Wrote: But you are aware that strictly speaking in some countries that support violates a number of laws (including most of Europe and the US) because it uses cracked DRM passwords. The only reason you can still provide is that Apple generally doesn't care about these things as long as they don't hurt their sales directly While it's clear why all of this is out-of-bounds for Logitech; I think that concluding that this support violates a number of laws (for US anyway) is overstepping given that Apple has not challenged it and laws regarding this stuff are very complicated (e.g. DCMA - note that iPhone jailbreaking was explicitly added as an exception. Different than this case, yes, but the point is that the whole legal area is far from clear). Anyway, Logitech obviously licenses Apple stuff legitimately and wouldn't have interest in gray areas. But there's no reason to make legal assumptions on third-party choices that aren't being legally challenged (or to discourage such third-party development based on hypotheticals). -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85059 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Announcing SqueezePad - the first dedicated iPad App to controll your SqueezeBoxen !
bluegaspode;634039 Wrote: Constant dripping wears away the stone. I'll look into providing these buttons in one of the next versions I guess. Yeah! I've been a long-time iPeng user and decided to pick up SqueezePad both to see what it's like and to help support third-party app development. While I don't think I could quite give up iPeng (I like the power interface for syncing, etc); the simplicty of SqueezePad is commendable and I bet my wife will prefer it. That said I was perplexed that there wasn't a shuffle option on the main screen. I've always hated the way that's buried on the native Squeeze interface - yes I do toggle it fairly frequently. I assumed this issue had been discussed and what ready to chime in with a me too post but was pleasantly surprised to find that it's already in the works! -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80553 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitechs new sugary customer approach!
MickeyG;633232 Wrote: Hey guys, thanks for bringing this issue up. There's been a 1-on-1 chat with him regarding proper customer relations, so I don't think there will be a recurrence of this issue with him. We're always interested in hearing about areas where our Squeezebox customer relations could be be better, so feel free to bring those up here. I've removed his personal contact info from this thread. No use flogging him any further. No fair dialing up his phone number either! Mickey First class! -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87915 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [Announce] iPeng 1.2.5 now on the App Store
pippin;586509 Wrote: No, that's not what it means. The normal background behavior under iOS4 for an App is to go to sleep and wake up at the same point when you bring it back to the foreground, e.g by restarting it. These Apps are not actually running in the background, they just continue where you left them and they keep their data in memory - until you run into a low-memory condition with other apps and it really gets terminated by the OS. That's not what iPeng 1.2.7 did, though. 1.2.7 REALLY kept running in the background. It's supposed to do this whenever album/artist/genre data caching is incomplete because anything else can cause trouble with slow servers or big libraries however it never terminated that mode, even whenever cache syncing was long finished. This drained the battery a lot. Great clarification. I had the same concern when I read the update comment. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=80940 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Myriad problems since upgrading to windows 7. Coinicidence or not?
I can't speak to any of your specific issues; but no problems here with Windows 7 x64. Specifically a fresh install not an upgrade. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=76860 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng on iPad - How should it look like?
I initially thought I was completely disinterested in the iPad. While I love my iPhone; I'm skeptical about such a closed platform for anything that starts approaching a laptop replacement. But after using my iPhone with iPeng and also as a remote for my Tivo HD (I hate needing to aim line-of-sight IR) I realized that I'd probably love an iPad as a sort of super-smart universal remote. Yeah I know there are a bunch of devices in that category (Harmony, etc) but this one would do more (real web browsing, etc in a pinch) and run best-of-breed options like iPeng. Now all I need is someone to come out with a good option for Wifi-to-IR conversion at a reasonable price with a great iPhone app to go alon. I see that a few options exist but I don't know if they meet this criteria. Back to the point. One thing that would be good for the use case I'm imagining would be quick switching between such remote apps. I don't know if the iPhone/iPad development platform allows this but for me it would be ideal to do it with hotlinks between apps rather than having to exit to the main app screen and pick there (requiring me to keep them sorted carefully for the right grouping, etc). -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74581 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would truly love an Audible.com app to be available on Squeezebox
garym;504663 Wrote: I agree with jimbo's comments in general, but of course we're talking about audio books here, not music. I don't want DRM product either, but we also don't need lossless audio books. Very low bitrates are transparent when it comes to the spoken word. I completely agree that lossless audio books sound like overkill. While lossy may be a good argument for music - audiobooks are darn long even with modern storage options I'd rather keep them more manageable. However, in terms of transparency have you ever listened to Audible content? I'm not very picky; most MP3s I listen to at typical bitrates (192+, even a lot of 128, etc) don't bother me. But up to format #4 (32Kb/s) which they touted as great until recently; Audible is nowhere near transparent. I haven't tried the newer Ehanced format (64Kb/s) enough to make real comparisons; it sounded better in quick tests but I wasn't immediately convinced that it was good enough to beat ripping CDs. Yes even with 32Kb/s the speech is completely understandable but there are very perceptible differences between it and audiobooks on CD. Some audiobooks have music fade-ins on chapters or other noises and all of it sounds slightly unnatural. I guess kind of like listening to a lot of radio stations. They sound pretty good, maybe even fine, but you don't mistake them for a CD. Anyway I certainly don't prefer DRM; but I'm not passionate enough about it to deal in absolutes, so I do own some Audible content and some audiobook CDs. But I don't understand objecting to Squeezeboxes doing more rather than less. Do you complain that so many portable MP3 players do support Audible? To each his own. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73651 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would truly love an Audible.com app to be available on Squeezebox
toby10;504684 Wrote: Yup, you sure can. Same with iTunes and others (burn to CD). You just keep jumpin' through those hoops. ;) tailwag.dog :) It's absolutely a pain and it is great that iTunes went largely DRM-free. I hope DRM becomes obsolete as well. The point was that you do have the ability to own the content just as much as you do with a CD and you can take defensive measures if you're worried that the proprietary software, service, etc won't be available in the future. Is the inconvenience tolerable? It depends on the consumer's priorities. Is it every superior to DRM-free content? Absolutely not. But are there really DRM-free audiobook alternatives to Audible that offer similar instant download, pricing, library breadth, support for bookmarking (on many portable players), etc? If there are then all of my Audible purchases have been a mistake. But I haven't look around much in a while so I really don't know if such alternatives exist. I prefer audiobook CDs due to quality and DRM issues; but they're less convenient to obtain, usually more expensive, and then I still have to deal with less support for bookmarking, chapter markers, etc. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73651 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would truly love an Audible.com app to be available on Squeezebox
toby10;504319 Wrote: Absolutely agree and very unlikely. But then, I'm sure the many people buying from Yahoo Music thought the same thing about the safety of buying from Yahoo, a multi-billion dollar operation still in business and still growing. ;) The point is, if it's DRM'd then you are just renting it. For how long? Who knows. 2 years? 10 years? 50 years? The length of time you are allowed to use it is up to the actual owner (not you). The content owner only needs to decide to get out of *that* business, not necessarily go *out* of business. Sort of, sort of not for Audible. As others have mentioned they do allow conversion to CD (and third-party products can use that functionality to convert to other digital formats at very high speed with no actual CDs involved). So they don't force you to stay locked in their DRM if you're worried about it expiring. There is arguably quality loss (not that it's amazing to begin with) and it's cumbersome though so far from ideal. But it is more open than some DRM schemes that don't provide any legal access to the decoded data (Kindle e-books for example). I also suspect that they wouldn't allow server-side decoding due to DRM concerns; but it's pretty funny considering the existing CD loophole. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73651 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would truly love an Audible.com app to be available on Squeezebox
I'd like the app. I think consumer choice is a good thing and I don't think Audiobook licensing issues are Logitech's fight. Of course development cost-wise and licensing-wise this may or may not be strategic for Logitech. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73651 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Not a happy customer
JJZolx;496703 Wrote: He's not looking for help. He's relating a bad customer support experience ... Really? The bad customer support experience he related was that he asked how to get a refund and they referred him to the store he purchased it from - duh! He complained of no empathy - bummer. Sure a basic we're sorry your dissatisfied is polite but I don't think that's real empathy anyway - just polite business. The response looked fine to me. The part about the e-mail address mixup is pretty irrelevent IMO. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
Goodsounds;473140 Wrote: The $600 rule is for payers to report payments to the IRS. Recipients are taxable on any amounts received (in cash or property) for services, they just receive no report on amounts below $600 from any one payer. Interesting. A while back MSFT quoted the $600 rule when providing free software as a benefit for particapting in one of their usability studies. They neglected to explain the nuances of the rule. I was actually wondering if hardware to beta testers and such fell into the same classification or if it was somehow different since they're providing it for you to do something on their behalf (versus the MSFT software which was purely an after-the-fact perk). Suffice to say; I won't be calling the IRS to check up on any of this... -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
Goodsounds;473295 Wrote: If participants got software to keep for no payment, then that is free, isn't it? Did they also say it was non-taxable? If I understand you, are you thinking about the fact that hardware can't be tested unless it is provided? That's right. What would make it taxable is that the tester can keep it. If the testers sign paperwork beyond a non-disclosure agreement, it might mention that they receive the unit in return for testing. Or maybe no mention is made. Perhaps one of the Radio or Touch program participants could comment? Yes it was definitely free; I'm not sure why I quoted it. I don't recall exactly what they said; I think it was along the lines that if it was below $600 for the year it didn't need to be reported for taxes. I suspect they weren't clear on that meaning that THEY didn't need to report it versus what I was suppose to do. They were definitely tracking the value of the software and whether or not my total for the year had exceeded $600. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Hardware Beta Testers Take Note
I'm pretty sure you're still getting it for free in the eyes of the law. If it's compensation for services rendered then I guess a whole different category of law (taxes, etc) comes into the picture. I understand your point on the personal effort involved; but I don't think that has anything to do with the legal issue here. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69819 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature request - 802.11n wireless
Is it infeasible to connect your server to the routers with CAT5? Then you wouldn't have to transfer traffic between your server and your G devices over your N network at all. May not be a big deal; but having the server hardwired seems logical in setups where it is feasible. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature request - 802.11n wireless
I have no disagreement with your 802.11n request - it's a nice to have in my book. Although I like wires so I'd probably figure out a way to run it in my case (some strategically placed switches might alleviate 100m cabling limits). Anyway, I'm curious about your problem running a separate router. You mention wanting to keep your server on the fast connection. Is your server wireless too? I'd go with server wired to gigabit switch; switch connected to a legacy 802.11g access point as well as a separate 802.11n access point. One of the two access points would probably be running as my actual Internet router. The independent switch could be eliminated and the legacy access point connected directly to the switch on the main wireless router. There are lots of minor variations; I'm not sure why you'd have a limitation on this front in the first place unless your server is wireless? -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature request - 802.11n wireless
As you probably know, cable length restrictions are about timing tolerances and Ethernet protocol efficiency / error detection. I do believe that there is quite a bit of robustness built into Ethernet and that the tolerances likely have a good degree of safety factor; but I don't think you can use simple testing to make a very strong conclusions that it works correctly. Yes it probably kinda, mostly works; but it may degrade performance or cause intermittent problems that are harder to detect (e.g. high packet corruption rates, lower transmission rates, etc due to problems with collision detection and such). These issues might not matter much if performance isn't an issue - but I wouldn't want to have to worry about the what-if when things don't go quite right. I'd personally stick with the specs and use switches, etc appropriately to solve distance issues. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Feature request - 802.11n wireless
MrSinatra;469933 Wrote: so measure it with testing software, leave it for a few days testing, whatever; however in my exp, if it works its fine. its something the OP could try, if its no good, it was worth a try. I'm not trying to be argumentative on this and it might work okay in practice. But I don't think measuring it with testing software and leaving for a few days is a very straight-forward proposition. You may have the expertise and tools to verify this kind of solution but I think it's beyond most home network users. What software will you use and how will you know it's working okay and that you've simulated the situations likely to cause issues? You're running equipment outside of its specs. Maximum cable length and such are not arbitrary numbers. They are calculated based on physical characteristics of the hardware as well as timing requirements of the protocol algorithms. Many different network pieces (likely from different vendors) are all designed with these basic constraints in mind. So once you've gone beyond whatever safety margins are built into the specs you don't really know anymore when things can be expected to work correctly or not. Certain protocol traffic patterns might cause problematic timings while other use cases may run perfectly fine. Anyway, it certainly something that can be tried and may work but there's a certain comfort in running things in a configuration that hardware manufactures are compelled to support. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=69496 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] new website - please get rid of then annoying need help? talking cartoon
dsdreamer;465941 Wrote: The usability of any company's website is the public's first impression of the likely usability of its products. This seems like a stretch. Maybe for technology companies (like Logitech) it has a bit more bearing; but in general I don't think there's a clear correlation. Great products sometimes have horrible or non-existent websites and conversely pretty good websites can back bad products. I would expect online reviews and commentary, Amazon reviews, in-store placement, etc to have a bigger impact on new users finding Squeezeboxes that Logitech's site. But of course I'm just guessing. I think the attention to Codebaby on the forums is disproportionate to the impact she'll have on new customers. -Jeff -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68958 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Windows 7
Seems to run fine. But I haven't used it heavily. Specific concern in mind? -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68923 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] CodeBaby on new Logitech Squeezebox site
I don't know what you guys are talking about. One look at CodeBaby and I thought: Damn I need to run out a buy a $99.99 wall adapter - wait maybe two! ;) -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=68531 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] RTSP, why not ?
Telling a consumer how easy it is for a radio station can reconfigure their server software doesn't really help the consumer much. Sure the station might respond; but if it works for most of the stations listeners using standard PC clients it might not be much of a priority for the station. It should be a high priority for the manufacturer of a NMP to ensure compatability with as many music sources as possible. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67820 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Bathroom compatible squeezebox
As long as its not in reach of the shower/tub; I don't think there are any such rules for non-hardwired appliances in the US (thank goodness). There are codes of course related to hardwired installations (fortunately we can have normal switches and outlets in bathrooms). If there actually are rules on small appliances like radios then I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of people don't know anything about them and wouldn't care. The last thing I need is the government deciding for me what I can have in my bathroom. Whether or not it's good for the speakers; now that could be important. -- jdoering jdoering's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67790 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
