Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-30 Thread mandryka

ftlight wrote: 
> Thanks for the update!  How much are you paying for 2TB?
> 
> Bill

£50 pa



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-24 Thread ftlight

mandryka wrote: 
> I have very positive feelings about Backblaze. Once the initial backup
> is made you set the controls to automatic and subsequent backups occur
> automatically and slowly in the background, and with no noticeable
> effects  on the computer or network. It took 3 weeks to upload 2TB.
Thanks for the update!  How much are you paying for 2TB?

Bill



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-23 Thread mandryka

I have very positive feelings about Backblaze. Once the initial backup
is made you set the controls to automatic and subsequent backups occur
automatically and slowly in the background, and with no noticeable
effects  on the computer or network. It took 3 weeks to upload 2TB. 

Upload speeds slow down in the initial upload the more you upload.
That's because there's a "deduplication" programme which has more to
check. The more RAM the better of course. Mine took no time at all for
the first third, the last third went up at about 100GB or less in 24
hours. It's not a real problem, apart from my impatience. My upload
speeds seemed to average at about 15mbps. The computer was still usable
but the UI became arthritic. But streaming music from it was fine as was
a virus check. 

Music files are particularly slow to upload because Backblaze makes a
copy of any file over 30MB before uploading. 

There are some setting adjustments worth making for the initial upload -
throttle to max and no. of threads to max.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-12 Thread matka

lostboy wrote: 
> I use Crashplan as part of tiered backup strategy, and have done for
> past five years or so. It's $60 p.a. for unlimited encrypted storage for
> one PC, so a little cheaper than Amazon with current exchange rates, but
> backup specific. They will backup anything 'local' to a licensed
> machine, and provide a sensible background backup application (backup
> sets, file version retention including deleted files, etc.).  Their app
> will also allow backup to other PCs including across the net, so if you
> have friend with a 24/7 server (their free version has this
> capability - you only pay for central cloud services).
> 
> I've found it reliable and it's saved my bacon on more than one
> occasion. I find it quicker to find/restore the odd file from the cloud,
> than go to local backups. However, full disk restores are _much_ quicker
> from physical drives. In my server I use a disk pooling app with file
> duplication as well and have found that this has taken care of wholesale
> disk failures - Crashplan helps me when I've done something stupid and
> haven't noticed at the time (deleted the wrong file and so on). 
> 
> I wouldn't contemplate remote backup without a fast internet connection,
> and at the moment my unlimited fibre connection isn't so fast that I'd
> be prepared to do without local backups either.  I'm not sure that the
> cloud backup would work well from a machine that is only on for short
> periods.
> 
> Chris
Another Crashplan user here, I have 2.5TB backed up. As mentioned
already, the software runs in the background, does incremental backups,
its throttled. The original backup took about 3 months, 24/7, as I
throttled the uplink to 500KB, but it was eventually done. Incremental
backups, especially for flac (I do not backup movies) do not require
much time, I'm throttling at 250KB 24/7 - this is far from fibre but
gets the job done and it does not affect my web usage experience.
CrashPlan desktop app provides a control on the uplink speed. I'm also
with an ISP provider where upload does not count against your
bandwidth.

If you are in US, you can mail a harddrive for an initial, seed backup,
there are restrictions for mailing hard drives across borders so I did
not bother.

I had to recover a small portion of my files once and it was very easy,
painless experience.

I'm on linux and there were some changes to be made to config files to
allow more than 2TB of backup data but there was enough support from
CrashPlan to do so.

Overall I'm quite happy with this solution, I have reduced much of the
backup clutter that I had after moving to a smaller place. And unless
CrashPlan crashes, I don't have to worry about hard drive crashes :-)



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-11 Thread pgnyc

hi, 
like some of you i have 2 HP microservers , one with unraid (nas server)
, one under Slackware ( lms, mail server, imap server, calendar server ,
etc..) .
the lms is connected thru SMB to the unraid.

everyday a backup is done to an attached external drive. (total on
monday, incremental other day, 4 weeks kept)

i  have also  a raspberry pi 3 (in a different  room) as a rcp server
(using raspbian) with also an attached external drive formatted exfat.
so i do a rcp (remote copy) from the unraid to the the pi.  

Pascal



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-11 Thread atrocity

bakker_be wrote: 
> Ever since they stopped allowing the use of rclone, I've been
> investigating alternatives. This is just another factor prompting a
> switch. Since I only need a backup solution I intend to try Crashplan
> ...

I love that I learned about rclone mere days before it was banned. But
that ban got me to immediately request non-renewal of my ACD account. I
signed up with hubiC, which works just fine with rclone, but my
multi-terabyte library is currently on day five of the backup process. I
don't think it's painfully slow, it's just not blazingly fast.

I also use CrashPlan, but "painfully slow" definitely applies. The price
and feature set are fantastic, but it's definitely something you use
AFTER you have your local backup figured out.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-09 Thread bakker_be

Squeezemenicely wrote: 
> Oh no! Amazon have killed "Music in the cloud" for me. This is really
> terrible. I had setup my NAS to sync my music files to the cloud - all
> was great.
> 
> Now they changed the game, no more unlimited and I would have to pay 180
> Dollars for my storage, so obviously I will not renew my plan.
> What a shame, to think of all the time it took to upload to the cloud,
> now just having to use an oldfashioned backup on drive again.
> 
> Two things I loved about the cloud - being able to stream my music on
> the go and second immediate backup of my files. With a disc that is
> stored at my workplace, I will probably only do a backup every month or
> so - knowing myself probably even less than that.
> That could mean loosing many files in a worstcase scenario.
> 
> Ridiculous going from unlimited to 1TB, in our day and age. They got us
> to use and upload files and know they are trying to get us to pay more
> and more.
Ever since they stopped allowing the use of rclone, I've been
investigating alternatives. This is just another factor prompting a
switch. Since I only need a backup solution I intend to try Crashplan
...



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-09 Thread Squeezemenicely

Oh no! Amazon have killed "Music in the cloud" for me. This is really
terrible. I had setup my NAS to sync my music files to the cloud - all
was great.

Now they changed the game, no more unlimited and I would have to pay 180
Dollars for my storage, so obviously I will not renew my plan.
What a shame, to think of all the time it took to upload to the cloud,
now just having to use an oldfashioned backup on drive again.

Two things I loved about the cloud - being able to stream my music on
the go and second immediate backup of my files. With a disc that is
stored at my workplace, I will probably only do a backup every month or
so - knowing myself probably even less than that.
That could mean loosing many files in a worstcase scenario.

Ridiculous going from unlimited to 1TB, in our day and age. They got us
to use and upload files and know they are trying to get us to pay more
and more.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-08 Thread Blisteringblue

d6jg wrote: 
> Why don't you store your music on the QNAP and have LMS / WHS read it
> from there? I agree that a QNAP won't do MusicIP etc but if you had your
> music files there then the Cloud Sync is going to be easy. There is some
> performance hit by going through the USB port.
> 
> I have all my files on a QNAP but LMS runs on a server class PC running
> Vortexbox with NFS mount to the QNAP (but it could just as easily be
> SMB). I am lucky enough to have a second QNAP sitting in a remote
> location and I sync them using the QNAP built in Remote Replication. If
> I didn't have that then I'd use the Hybrid Cloud Backup App like you
> are.

Not really worth it, I've not exactly changed much this way, my local
backup is still to the WD Drive, I will just sync via shares to the QNAP
USB rather than direct to my PC.   WHS has plenty of space too and I
would be scratching around on the QNAP (single drive version) as the 3TB
there is pretty full of DVDs etc.  I just get an automatic copy of the
WD drive up to Amazon without thinking about it now.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-08 Thread d6jg

Blisteringblue wrote: 
> Wow, talk about long winded.  I wanted a set and forget style backup for
> this, been looking for reasonable cloud for a while.  I've 1TB OneDrive
> from MS through work, 500GB BT cloud with my broadband but £55 for
> unlimited Amazon Cloud gets the nod.
> 
> Just spent 2 days playing with various applications to get it there, boy
> do most blow chunks.   
> 
> My music is only about 900GB but it sits on my Proliant Microserver
> running WHS 2011.  Therein lies the issue, I tried Odrive but it was
> dreadful, was about to download cloudberry backup but again looked a
> messy solution.
> 
> I've a QNAP NAS which I use for my media server and although I don't use
> it for Squeeze (need Intel for MusicIP and Sugarcube) I came up with an
> ingenuous plan.
> 
> 1. Download the Hybrid Cloud Backup app for QNAS which does 1 or 2-way
> sync direct into the Cloud Drive (using for home photo/video backup to
> Amazon)
> 2. Plugged my current Backup Music Drive (stand alone USB 2TB WD Drive)
> directly into the QNAP and it automatically shares as an External USB
> Drive
> 3. Setup a second cloud one-way sync job from the QNAP to Amazon for all
> the music files on the WD USB Drive which is now running happily away
> through the 900GB
> 4. I can then amend my SyncToy job that was my backup for my music files
> to send to the new Shared QNAS drive over the network, so pretty much a
> double backup, local and cloud.
> 
> Not bad for £55 a year, plus the added bonus that if I am working away I
> can get to my music files on a adhoc basis, although spotify sort of
> negates this these days.
> 
> Happy Days and thanks to the OP for the heads up.

Why don't you store your music on the QNAP and have LMS / WHS read it
from there? I agree that a QNAP won't do MusicIP etc but if you had your
music files there then the Cloud Sync is going to be easy. There is some
performance hit by going through the USB port.

I have all my files on a QNAP but LMS runs on a server class PC running
Vortexbox with NFS mount to the QNAP (but it could just as easily be
SMB). I am lucky enough to have a second QNAP sitting in a remote
location and I sync them using the QNAP built in Remote Replication. If
I didn't have that then I'd use the Hybrid Cloud Backup App like you
are.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-08 Thread Blisteringblue

Wow, talk about long winded.  I wanted a set and forget style backup for
this, been looking for reasonable cloud for a while.  I've 1TB OneDrive
from MS through work, 500GB BT cloud with my broadband but £55 for
unlimited Amazon Cloud gets the nod.

Just spent 2 days playing with various applications to get it there, boy
do most blow chunks.   

My music is only about 900GB but it sits on my Proliant Microserver
running WHS 2011.  Therein lies the issue, I tried Odrive but it was
dreadful, was about to download cloudberry backup but again looked a
messy solution.

I've a QNAP NAS which I use for my media server and although I don't use
it for Squeeze (need Intel for MuicIP and Sugarcube) I came up with an
ingenuous plan.

1. Download the Hybrid Cloud Backup app for QNAS which does 1 or 2-way
sync direct into the Cloud Drive (using for home photo/video backup to
Amazon)
2. Plugged my current Backup Music Drive (stand alone USB 2TB WD Drive)
directly into the QNAP and it automatically shares as an External USB
Drive
3. Setup a second cloud one-way sync job from the QNAP to Amazon for all
the music files on the WD USB Drive which is now running happily away
through the 900GB
4. I can then amend my SyncToy job that was my backup for my music files
to send to the new Shared QNAS drive over the network, so pretty much a
double backup, local and cloud.

Not bad for £55 a year, plus the added bonus that if I am working away I
can get to my music files on a adhoc basis, although spotify sort of
negates this these days.

Happy Days and thanks to the OP for the heads up.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-07 Thread pablolie

I see the appeal for backup, but unless it's automatically mirrored
-which I haven't seen in cheaper storage- I don't see the appeal for
everyday operations. Local NAS still seems to rule the cost-benefit
analysis for me... (unfortunately, I'd love a cloud based cost effective
solution, but local storage is MUCH cheaper over the mid term for me).



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-01 Thread drmatt

So it seems they restricted everyone by default to prevent impact to
browsing experience and general connectivity whilst uploading. They seem
to have somewhat overcooked the throttling if it went to less than 10%
of your link speed, however..

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-06-01 Thread mandryka

drmatt wrote: 
> Ok, so you had a specific problem. What did you change? Are they
> artificially limiting upload speed in the client package?
> 
> I had no issues with Amazon drive on upload speed.
> 
> Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

You have to go to settings, turn the throttle to maximum upload speed,
and choose the maximum number of threads.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread drmatt

Ok, so you had a specific problem. What did you change? Are they
artificially limiting upload speed in the client package?

I had no issues with Amazon drive on upload speed.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread mandryka

The reason I was pushing the point is that my internet upload speed is
about 17mbps, but using Backblaze, I was getting an upload speed of
1.5mbps.

Anyway I just spoke to their support people and they told me make some
changes in the settings file and now I have 16mbps. So problem solved.

I have 2TB to upload so I don't think dropbox will work for me. So far,
Backblaze looks fine though. Fingers crossed.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread drmatt

Maths to the rescue! 1TB is 800 Mbits. This will take 5.1 days on an
18Mbit/s uplink (typical unlimited fibre package).



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread mandryka

norderney wrote: 
> Using the Dropbox web site, I logged into my Dropbox account and then
> upload all my FLAC files to my Music folder within Dropbox. Quite easy
> actually. Takes a long time but only has to be done once. Works best if
> you have a fast fibre broadband connection.

What sort of upload speeds did you get? How long did it take to upload
1TB?



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread norderney

Using the Dropbox web site, I logged into my Dropbox account and then
upload all my FLAC files to my Music folder within Dropbox. Quite easy
actually. Takes a long time but only has to be done once. Works best if
you have a fast fibre broadband connection.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-30 Thread mandryka

norderney wrote: 
> I use Dropbox for backing up my music database which is about 1Tb /
> 60,000 tracks. As a bonus I have installed an app called FLACBox on my
> iPhone which allows my to play music stored directly on Dropbox. So I
> have access to my complete music library when I'm away from home using
> either 3G or WiFi. 
> I already had a 2Tb Dropbox account but I had only a few documents
> stored on it. This way I can make use of the storage capacity.

But how did you get the data uploaded?



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-21 Thread norderney

I use Dropbox for backing up my music database which is about 1Tb /
60,000 tracks. As a bonus I have installed an app called FLACBox on my
iPhone which allows my to play music stored directly on Dropbox. So I
have access to my complete music library when I'm away from home using
either 3G or WiFi. 
I already had a 2Tb Dropbox account but I had only a few documents
stored on it. This way I can make use of the storage capacity.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-21 Thread atrocity

Testing hubiC at the moment. 25GB free and it works with rclone. Their
largest plan is 10TB, which works for me for now, so I just might go for
it.

rclone developer is hopeful that he can work things out with Amazon.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-19 Thread drmatt

So this is why I used "dar". Keep a local metadata copy and I can run
differential backups against the metadata to upload as a tarball (um,
darball) without having to keep the data local too.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-19 Thread atrocity

drmatt wrote: 
> They don't like the word "unlimited" as much as their marketing would
> have you believe, apparently...

If I understand the situation correctly (and I'm not sure that I do)
rclone's developer had to work with Amazon to get the app approved, but
Amazon banned it without warning or consulting him and has yet to
respond to his inquiries. For now, I've told Amazon not to renew my plan
when it expires in August. If they allow rclone again, I'll probably
keep the service, but for people with large music libraries the
inability to automate a sync makes even "unlimited" useless. I'd be OK
(not thrilled, but OK) if they'd just allow it with --dry-run so I could
see what needs to be done and do it manually, but absent that or a
similar tool, forget it.

I'm currently testing a 10GB backup to https://hubic.com - they have a
25GB free version that works with rclone. Unfortunately, they don't have
an unlimited plan, though their 10TB should work (for now!) for me. The
test isn't finished yet, but it's been running for a few hours and seems
to be working well:


Code:

Transferred:   7.864 GBytes (726.991 kBytes/s)
  Errors: 0
  Checks: 1
  Transferred: 4942
  Elapsed time:3h9m1.9s
  




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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-19 Thread drmatt

They don't like the word "unlimited" as much as their marketing would
have you believe, apparently...

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-19 Thread atrocity

bakker_be wrote: 
> Since posting this, I've uploaded ±1TB of music to Amazon :p

And, just like that, Amascum has banned rclone.

https://forum.rclone.org/t/rclone-has-been-banned-from-amazon-drive/2314/10



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-18 Thread bakker_be

atrocity wrote: 
> THANK YOU for this!!! I just set it up yesterday and it seems to be
> working fine. Greatly preferable to trying to sync using Amazon's
> horrific W*nd*ws client.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-17 Thread atrocity

bakker_be wrote: 
> Ehm, aren't we confusing *GOOGLE* drive and *AMAZON* drive here?
> 
> Back to Amazon Drive:
> 'rclone' (https://rclone.org/) seems to support it, and it has a "check"
> function that compares file hashes allowing you to skip files that
> calculate as identical.

THANK YOU for this!!! I just set it up yesterday and it seems to be
working fine. Greatly preferable to trying to sync using Amazon's
horrific W*nd*ws client.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-03 Thread d6jg

I have my data stored on a Qnap with LMS running on either a Pi
(piCorePlayer) or an old PC (Vortexbox). The QNAP is mounted either via
SMB or NFS.

One of the officially available Qnap apps is "Connect to Cloud Drive". I
haven't tried it but it supports Amazon Cloud Drive. If it works (and I
have no reason to doubt that it does) then this would do the job
nicely.
"You can remotely connect to a cloud service (such as Dropbox, Microsoft
OneDrive, Google Drive, Amazon Cloud Drive, Box or Yandex Disk) in File
Station after installing this add-on. You can easily carry out file
management tasks such as copying and moving from cloud services to the
NAS, or from NAS to cloud services by using remote connection at File
Station. Note: Limitations of your cloud service account may affect what
files can be transferred. Please check the account details with your
cloud service for more information regarding what files can and cannot
be transferred."

Another Qnap developed app is Hybrid Backup Sync - in Beta
"Hybrid Backup Sync is a comprehensive data backup and disaster recovery
solution for the files stored on your QNAP NAS. It integrates backup,
restoration and synchronization functions to provide you with a variety
of options for data backup and synchronization including one-touch USB
backup; Time Machine backup; RTRR backup and synchronization through
RTRR, Rsync, FTP, CIFS/SMB and cloud services such as Google Drive™,
Microsoft® OneDrive®, Dropbox®, Box®, Yandex® Disk, Amazon® Cloud Drive,
Amazon® S3, Amazon® Glacier, Azure™ Storage, Google Cloud Storage™,
S3/OpenStack Swift/WebDAV compatible services. Hybrid Backup Sync allows
you to manage multiple storage, remote and cloud accounts to help save
time in creating backup jobs. Note: You must install Cloud Backup Sync
from the App Center to remotely connect to cloud services."

I don't need to use them though as I do a RTRR sync to another Qnap at a
remote location.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-02 Thread lostboy

I use Crashplan as part of tiered backup strategy, and have done for
past five years or so. It's $60 p.a. for unlimited encrypted storage for
one PC, so a little cheaper than Amazon with current exchange rates, but
backup specific. They will backup anything 'local' to a licensed
machine, and provide a sensible background backup application (backup
sets, file version retention including deleted files, etc.).  Their app
will also allow backup to other PCs including across the net, so if you
have friend with a 24/7 server (their free version has this
capability - you only pay for central cloud services).

I've found it reliable and it's saved my bacon on more than one
occasion. I find it quicker to find/restore the odd file from the cloud,
than go to local backups. However, full disk restores are _much_ quicker
from physical drives. In my server I use a disk pooling app with file
duplication as well and have found that this has taken care of wholesale
disk failures - Crashplan helps me when I've done something stupid and
haven't noticed at the time (deleted the wrong file and so on). 

I wouldn't contemplate remote backup without a fast internet connection,
and at the moment my unlimited fibre connection isn't so fast that I'd
be prepared to do without local backups either.  I'm not sure that the
cloud backup would work well from a machine that is only on for short
periods.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-02 Thread RonM

CloudAtlas wrote: 
> I personally believe that using the cloud as a sole backup is very
> unwise.  As it is not directly under you control, it should be viewed as
> ephemeral (or even open source if not encrypted).  A multi-layered
> approach is far safer e.g. local backup, off-site backup and cloud.
> 
> Just my thoughts.

I'm not sure when cloud backup for large datasets is actually a best
solution, unless you have really fast connections and also alternative
back-ups. Purely from a security point of view, it's not clear to me why
local/offsite/cloud is better than local and multiple offsites.  For
instance, one or more local copies, perhaps on a main data hard drive
plus on the server, plus two hard drive back-ups stored in safety
deposit boxes in separate banks.  The incremental cost of a second
safety deposit box won't be more than the cost of cloud storage, and
won't have the inconvenience.

Important to bear in mind that a safety deposit box does not guarantee
against loss. If the bank burns down so will your drive in the SD. It's
offsite back-up, but that doesn't mean immune from loss.  

I personally have music data stored on three different locations at home
(main data archive, server, and the lossy version, all on separate hard
drives), and a periodic backup to the safety deposit box.  I use two or
three different HDs for the bank storage -- one at the bank, and at
least one (maybe two) that used to be in the bank and were retrieved
when I added the most recent back-up. This is reminding me to do another
backup, and I'll use the drive I took out of the bank last time I did
this.  I'll then take it to the bank and retrieve the one that's there
for next time. That retrieved drive is another (incomplete) backup
itself.

I haven't gone so far as to get a second location for an SD.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-02 Thread CloudAtlas

SlimChances wrote: 
> Infinite is a bit of an exaggeration. But I can fit 4 -3 1/2" drives in
> my box. Right now it is easy to obtain a 10 TB Hard Drive. How much is
> Amazon going to charge for 40 TB of data? Also how long does it take to
> download that information if your house catches fire and you lose your
> data? For me I take out of my SD Box and connect it to a laptop and I am
> in business. Personally I am not too comfortable with Amazon or Google
> or another company having control of my data, whether it's 1 TB or 40TB
> The Hard Drive in the SD box should not wear out for a long time as it
> is only ocasionally used

I personally believe that using the cloud as a sole backup is very
unwise.  As it is not directly under you control, it should be viewed as
ephemeral (or even open source if not encrypted).  A multi-layered
approach is far safer e.g. local backup, off-site backup and cloud.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread bpa

drmatt wrote: 
> No sign of an open API (yet) but some developers have had access by the
> look of it. https://developer.amazon.com/amazon-drive
> 
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This link lets you download sdk for IO and Android.
https://developer.amazon.com/public/apis/experience/cloud-drive/sdk-download/sdks-download-release-notes

There seems to be no SDK for Windows or Linux but I assume rclone (and
simialr) just replicate data exchange.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

bakker_be wrote: 
> Ehm, aren't we confusing *GOOGLE* drive and *AMAZON* drive here?
> 
> Back to Amazon Drive:
> 'rclone' (https://rclone.org/) seems to support it, and it has a "check"
> function that compares file hashes allowing you to skip files that
> calculate as identical.
No sign of an open API (yet) but some developers have had access by the
look of it. https://developer.amazon.com/amazon-drive

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

SlimChances wrote: 
> Infinite is a bit of an exaggeration. But I can fit 4 -3 1/2" drives in
> my box. Right now it is easy to obtain a 10 TB Hard Drive. How much is
> Amazon going to charge for 40 TB of data? Also how long does it take to
> download that information if your house catches fire and you lose your
> data? For me I take out of my SD Box and connect it to a laptop and I am
> in business. Personally I am not too comfortable with Amazon or Google
> or another company having control of my data, whether it's 1 TB or 40TB
> The Hard Drive in the SD box should not wear out for a long time as it
> is only ocasionally used
Amazon is going to charge £55 a year, that's the contract terms.
"Unlimited". Of course they invoke a "fair use" clause too but who knows
when they would actually bother to use that. So there are use cases
where it makes sense. And for me it makes sense. Not that that means I
don't *also* have HDD stored locally, it's just another tier of disaster
recovery options. Download is many times quicker, but infinitely quicker
than getting my camera and attempting to persuade the kids to pose for a
hundred thousand pictures again..

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

drmatt wrote: 
> Depends on your broadband upload speed. Unlimited fibre is the only way
> this makes sense, that's the only way to get 18-20 Mbit upload. With
> that, I put 2TB up in a week and two days. If your upload is 2Mbit it
> will take ten times longer...

Upload speed is at the moment  between 10 and 20 mbps. This calculator
suggests it will take between 2 and 3 weeks for 2Tb. I think it is
fibre, from BT infinity. 

http://www.thecloudcalculator.com/calculators/file-transfer.html



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread SlimChances

drmatt wrote: 
> Larger than infinite? And the price? Fifty five quid a year for
> infinite? Personally I have found that a new HDD every three years or so
> actually costs more than this. There is a tipping point where if your
> storage is small enough then fixed price £55 a year is too much; there
> is another tipping point where you have so much data that getting it out
> there is impractical. In between those points Amazon's deal is excellent
> value for money.
> 
> Sent from my ONEPLUS A3003 using Tapatalk

Infinite is a bit of an exaggeration. But I can fit 4 -3 1/2" drives in
my box. Right now it is easy to obtain a 10 TB Hard Drive. How much is
Amazon going to charge for 40 TB of data? Also how long does it take to
download that information if your house catches fire and you lose your
data? For me I take out of my SD Box and connect it to a laptop and I am
in business. Personally I am not too comfortable with Amazon or Google
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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

SlimChances wrote: 
> An external HD in my safety deposit box works for me. It is far cheaper
> and much larger storage options
Larger than infinite? And the price? Fifty five quid a year for
infinite? Personally I have found that a new HDD every three years or so
actually costs more than this. There is a tipping point where if your
storage is small enough then fixed price £55 a year is too much; there
is another tipping point where you have so much data that getting it out
there is impractical. In between those points Amazon's deal is excellent
value for money.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread Squeezemenicely

I am using Amazon Drive and have about 2 TB music on there, it is great
I can use it to stream music on the go using CloudBeats, plus I have an
extra Backup of the entire music as an incremental Backup done via my
NAS.
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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

mandryka wrote: 
> It's not going to work for me., 400 files in 6 hours, to upload the lot
> will take about two months.
Depends on your broadband upload speed. Unlimited fibre is the only way
this makes sense, that's the only way to get 18-20 Mbit upload. With
that, I put 2TB up in a week and two days. If your upload is 2Mbit it
will take ten times longer...



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread SlimChances

An external HD in my safety deposit box works for me. It is far cheaper
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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

It's not going to work for me., 400 files in 6 hours, to upload the lot
will take about two months.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread bakker_be

mandryka wrote: 
> Just fire and theft, that's all. Offsite backups don't seem to work for
> me. 
> 
> It's done 100 files (out of 105,000) in the past two hours, and it may
> not be keeping the structure of the folders, so so far it's a bit
> worrying really.

Seems a bit slow to me. I don't know what kind of connection you have of
course, but I've started the 3-month free trial, just to get a look at
it and with rclone from my Ubuntu Server LMS I have around 3 GB (195
files) of data in around half an hour of toying with it.
Given that traffic between midnight and noon only counts for half with
my provider I've scheduled a CRON job (timeout 12h rclone sync -c -v
/mnt/music AMAZON_DRIVE:/music), so it doesn't get me "punished" for
backing up my data :p rclone works on Windows as well, both 32 and 64
bit versions are available, and using task scheduler you could probably
accomplish the same thing. The -c option tells it to do a checksum
calculation. To me this has 2 advantages:

- It allows me to interrupt the upload process, picking up where it
  left off
- If you set your tagging software to not change file modification
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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

That is why I went with a virtual tape type thing. Stage the backups to
large encrypted files and move the encrypted virtual tapes to the cloud.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

JohnB wrote: 
> Is there any reason why you prefer to backup to the cloud rather than
> backing up to external HDDs which are under your control?

Just fire and theft, that's all. Offsite backups don't seem to work for
me. 

It's done 100 files (out of 105,000) in the past two hours, and it may
not be keeping the structure of the folders, so so far it's a bit
worrying really.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread JohnB

Is there any reason why you prefer to backup to the cloud rather than
backing up to external HDDs which are under your control?



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

Amazon have a desktop app which will allow you to synch to a folder on
your C drive. It will NOT allow you to synch to a folder on an external
hard drive (so no good for me)

I tried to upload via the web interface several times but it crashed for
my big "downloads" folder. It worked for one or two small files. 

I just started an upload of the whole folder via the windows 10 app and
so far so good, will report back.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread bakker_be

Ehm, aren't we confusing *GOOGLE* drive and *AMAZON* drive here?



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread bpa

Also some examples of using the API.
https://github.com/googledrive



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

Awesome, that's new. They didn't publish anything like that when I I
started using it.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread bpa

drmatt wrote: 
> AFAIK there is no API to access Drive directly yet, so nothing going for
> automatic updates etc.

Does this not work ?
https://developers.google.com/drive/v3/web/simple-upload



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

No, there are no utilities for accessing Drive, I scripted backups to
large files using dar on my Linux box then just copied the files to a
Windows box to drag and drop in the UI. AFAIK there is no API to access
Drive directly yet, so nothing going for automatic updates etc.

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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

Oh good, thout sounds promising.

Is there a backup utility? Something that will check for changes and
upload them, things like changes to metadata.



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Re: [slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread drmatt

Took me about a week to upload 2TB to exactly that service using my BT
fibre line. Tedious but doable. And next time the incremental backups
are trivia to send up to the cloud.

Amazon can do media-based ingest to S3, but a) you pay for it and b)
it's not Drive. Otherwise find a friend with a good upload speed...

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[slim] Large Backups on a Cloud

2017-05-01 Thread mandryka

Hello everyone

Amazon are now offering unlimited storage for £55 p.a in the UK, and
they accept lossless music files. So the idea of having a cloud backup
is more attractive. 

I have 3TB of music, it's going to take forever to upload it via my
phone line -- I doubt it's feasible. 

Is there a one off fast upload service from anyone? Someone who I could
send a hard drive to and they do the upload for me for a fee?



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