[slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term aside for now; To me, it seems like the only real alternative solution is Sonos. Opinions? What would you buy now and why? autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Take a look at squeeze2upnp. It's still in beta form, but I've been using it for some time. If you rely on LMS, don't need multi-system synchronisation, and have UPnP amplifiers, it's well worth trying. See https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: > Short term: > > Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee > if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using > your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? > I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody > else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to > keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add > support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to > be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on > the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but > there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. I would be willing.. jarome's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1223 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I listen primarily to my own library so I don't think I would pay for unnecessary services Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1412783275 @ Fri Oct 10 04:00:09 UTC 2014 Operating system: Debian - EN - utf8 Platform Architecture: x86_64-linux Perl Version: 5.18.2 - x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi Database Version: DBD::SQLite 1.34_01 (sqlite 3.7.7.1) One SB Touch connected by ethernet - Denon AVR -1912 Receiver, Paradigm 4.1 speakers Two SB Radios wireless SlimChances's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
me, too. eschurr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2007 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
The thing with mysqueezebox.com providing access to streaming services is that it's a proxy authentication service for music services with contracts with Logitech to allow Squeezebox access. A pay service attempting to provide that same service would be redundant unless it, too had some sort of special agreement with these services. At this point in time, unless your service were also available to many other platforms, it seems highly unlikely that any of the music services would care to deal with you. Without that type of agreement, authentication can either be done by a simple plugin, with no intermediary, or it can't be done at all. JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I listen 90% of the time to my own music libray (10,000 FLAC files) and 10% of the time to BBC via one of the 3rd party plugins. I have never used mysqueezebox.com nor any other online service. I'm not interested in Spotify or anything like that. Provided any repalcement could handle the above, I'd be happy. My 2p Jim jimwillsher's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=410 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I also just play local FLACs and don't use streaming services much except the BBC and occasionally other radio stations. If I wanted to use one or more streaming services such as Qobuz, Spotify etc I'd have to pay for that anyway, well over £100 per year each. I probably wouldn't want to pay much on top of that to get the services via LMS - maybe a small single yearly supplement, but only a few pounds/euros/dollars I might pay something, since LMS is so good, but not a lot. However, I'm probably not typical :) LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04, FLACs 16->24 bit, 44.1->192kbps. LMS & Squeeze2upnp (Beta - derived from squeezelite) to Musical Fidelity M1 CLiC and Marantz CR603 UPnP renderers. Squeezelite to PC sound. Minimserver (server) and upplay (control point) to same amps & to upmpdcli/mpd PC renderers. Meridian USB Explorer DAC from PCs to speakers/headphones. Wireless Xubuntu 14.04 laptop controls LMS/upplay via Firefox. Have a Touch with EDO, and a spare, but don't use. PasTim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Don't know, there is nothing out there that can replace my SB. :( If my SB dies I will use an old iPhone/iPod Touch and iPeng. bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
bernt wrote: > Don't know, there is nothing out there that can replace my SB. :( > > If my SB dies I will use an old iPhone/iPod Touch and iPeng. Well I am currently using a (very recently bought) SBT and two SBRs, with the now-retired SB3 as backup unit, so I think can keep going for a while yet. Sad to see such an excellent and versatile system bite the dust. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
autopilot wrote: > Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term > aside for now; To me, it seems like the only real alternative solution > is Sonos. Opinions? What would you buy now and why? As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably will. But, like you, I like to think ahead about these things and have the same question. I wish that it was as simple as moving eventually to SONOS. My vortexbox appliances already support SONOS, so that part would be painless. As far as I understand, SONOS can't deal with libraries that are larger than 65,000 files (and maybe less depending on metadata tag content). There is some clunky way combined with windows media player to get more but doesn't sound ideal. I believe SONOS deals with gapless, and I know it does multiroom sync. So that's good. I don't have that much other than 16/44.1 so I could also live with the fact that I can't play 24/96 or higher on the SONOS. But the library max is a real deal breaker for me. So I too would like to learn a bit more about the various options out there (cheap and expensive). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > Sad to see such an excellent and versatile system bite the dust. > > Robert Reminds me of that apocryphal Mark Twain quote: "The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated". It is usually best to let the person actually die before they get buried. ;-) mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
My next system will be Squeezebox based. Today I've invested in 2 x Booms, 1 x Radio and 1 x Touch. I expect those and my existing players to keep me going for quite some years yet. There is nothing else on the market that comes even close to providing the features and flexibility I want and probably never will be again. andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mlsstl wrote: > Reminds me of that apocryphal Mark Twain quote: "The rumors of my death > have been greatly exaggerated". It is usually best to let the person > actually die before they get buried. ;-) You are correct of course! But it does look like a long slow decline into oblivion for Squeezebox, doesn't it? Maybe Logitech will develop UE to fill the gap left by their failure to properly develop the SB line. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably > will. But, like you, I like to think ahead about these things and have > the same question. I wish that it was as simple as moving eventually to > SONOS. My vortexbox appliances already support SONOS, so that part would > be painless. As far as I understand, SONOS can't deal with libraries > that are larger than 65,000 files (and maybe less depending on metadata > tag content). There is some clunky way combined with windows media > player to get more but doesn't sound ideal. I believe SONOS deals with > gapless, and I know it does multiroom sync. So that's good. I don't > have that much other than 16/44.1 so I could also live with the fact > that I can't play 24/96 or higher on the SONOS. But the library max is > a real deal breaker for me. > > So I too would like to learn a bit more about the various options out > there (cheap and expensive). If I had to make the move tomorrow (i.e., no mysb.com), I'd initially keep my local music on LMS/Squeezeboxes and set up a small SONOS system for services. It would require me to push a button on my preamp (to change sources). And I'd have to use two different controllers (although at least both controls would be on my iphone and ipad). This would work, but be a hassle, mostly for my wife, who has become very comfortable with doing everything from the SB CONTROLLER. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Given the opensource (it is right?) nature of LMS we can make it live on. Combined with SqueezeSlave and similar projects I propose raspberry pis with usb sound cards as the hardware (or anything that can run squeezeslave or squeezeplay). And the rest is all software with remote apps. We'd need to host/branch the software and then also get a forum going for this. This will work for offline listening of course. Not sure about online listening.. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
lrossouw wrote: > I propose raspberry pis with usb sound cards as the hardware (or > anything that can run squeezeslave or squeezeplay) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfH8W0k3qkQ slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist that the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open source if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products. In that regard, Sean and Co. didn't do us any favors when they cut their deal. I know this is just wishful thinking on my part and that it would have been impossible to attract a buyer with such a clause. I imagine it's also wishful thinking to hope that the last person out the door sneaks a copy of the firmware source out with them on a thumb drive and that it ends up on line somewhere. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist that the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open source if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products. I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from Microsoft in there. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I currently have 1 Touch connected to the main stereo and 1 Receiver which is used with headphones in my homeoffice. And I have an additional Receiver on a shelf somewhere. So I should be covered for a couple of years; SONOS is not an alternative for me. Maybe I should pick up an extra Touch when I come by an offer. I am going to make a mini-server for my sister this fall; maybe I should give her kids a Radio each this christmas. http://www.onlineregister.com/logitechithink/ slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mherger wrote: > > I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist > that > > the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open > source > > if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products. > > I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from > > Microsoft in there. I thought the major problem was lack of access to the dev tools needed to build for the pre ARM player platform. andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mherger wrote: > > I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist > that > > the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open > source > > if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products. > > I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from > > Microsoft in there. > > -- > > MichaelSo..any chance we will see a sanitized version of the firmware? I.e. WAV/FLAC/ALAC? Once an open source community project got rolling, I'm sure we'd see MP3/4 and the like making their way in. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from I thought the major problem was lack of access to the dev tools needed to build for the pre ARM player platform. Yes, I covered this by the "3rd party code" :-). -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I recently bought a CuBox mini computer, to play videos using XBMC. It has an HDMI out, and SPDIF out. If my Touch would die, XBMC would be a good option. The apps on iPad/Android to control XBMC are quite good, so I would not need to switch on the tv. That might be a reasonable alternative for me. But foremost, I hope my Touch last a long time. And of course, that this community can pick up the development of LMS. How dependent is that on the closed firmware, since most is actually open source? 505's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
505 wrote: > I recently bought a CuBox mini computer, to play videos using XBMC. It > has an HDMI out, and SPDIF out. If my Touch would die, XBMC would be a > good option. The apps on iPad/Android to control XBMC are quite good, so > I would not need to switch on the tv. That might be a reasonable > alternative for me. > Am I correct in assuming this system wouldn't handle sync to multiple room players (across wifi or ethernet) and wouldn't allow the user to use services that require authentication (MOG, Spotify, SiriusXM, etc.) other than accessing the web based version of these services on the CuBox computer. For single point playing of local music files, I can think of lots of excellent options (some of which I used *before* I entered the SqueezeBox world). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I'm suddenly glad I held onto my CD player...even though it's just been gathering dust and hasn't been plugged in for 7 years now. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > Am I correct in assuming this system wouldn't handle sync to multiple > room players (across wifi or ethernet) and wouldn't allow the user to > use services that require authentication (MOG, Spotify, SiriusXM, etc.) > other than accessing the web based version of these services on the > CuBox computer. For single point playing of local music files, I can > think of lots of excellent options (some of which I used *before* I > entered the SqueezeBox world). Sync, no. But my house is small enough (or the speakers large enough) to hear my music everywhere, so I don't need that. It's a nice feature, I'm sure, but not a killer-feature for any music system. Services are a killer-feature, and I think we can expect more and more devices to support this model. Since I started using Spotify on the Touch, I can confess I haven't downloaded (via torrent) a single song anymore. So I'm starting getting used to the idea of know owning a music collection, but having it available all the time as a service. And of course, for the average user, this is a lot simpler then setting up an LMS server. For XBMC and such, you would just need a plug-in for that service. There are some available for Spotify, but don't know if/how they work. No need for it now, because Spotify runs brilliantly on the Touch. Seems Apple TV is getting in the same direction, and might even be a good replacement for services, or the Nexus Q android thingy. Or, who knows, maybe Logitech will release something to connect to my receiver directly. 505's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
505 wrote: > Sync, no. But my house is small enough (or the speakers large enough) to > hear my music everywhere, so I don't need that. It's a nice feature, I'm > sure, but not a killer-feature for any music system. > > thanks for the info. Interesting about your comment regarding sync not being a killer feature. This demonstrates how great the SqueezeBox system has been (and I hope continues to be). It works for the single player user with a small house. And it works for the multiplayer user with larger house (or in my case, small house, but I want music in several rooms or front porch or back deck that are not really easy to cover with audio (unless I blast the living room stereo!)). So for me sync is a killer feature. Also interesting to see the different perspective on "a music collection". I have over 70,000 tracks, mostly FLAC, and I'm only 1/2 way through ripping my CDs. But I suspect this is a generational difference (I won't go into the thousands of vinyl albums I acquired before the CD was invented. ;-) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > Am I correct in assuming this system wouldn't handle sync to multiple > room players XBMC has squeezebox plugins. The controller/artwork display is OK, but the player is just a squeezeslave. The showstopper for me was that it grabs the audio output and doesn't integrate nicely with the psychedelic visualiser. If that worked I'd probably be using it instead of my Chumby. I could live without the hardware, but LMS is what I'll miss most, assuming the worst. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
pallfreeman wrote: > > I could live without the hardware, but LMS is what I'll miss most, > assuming the worst. well, LMS as it exists today will never go away. And people could keep creating 3rd party plugins for it. I have many versions saved on my disk and backups. They can always be installed on a local computer. It's integration with mysqueezebox.com in order to run services (MOG, Spotify, Pandora, Tune-in, etc.) is what we would lose should mysb.com be eliminated in the future. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Ask me in five years when I might be getting close to possibly replacing my current SB/LMS system. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Would people please read the first line of my original post please :) autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I'm going to start playing with J River Media Center on a dedicated tiny silent PC. JRemote on the iPad to control it. Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
autopilot wrote: > Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term > aside for now; To me, it seems like the only real alternative solution > is Sonos. Opinions? What would you buy now and why? > Short term: - Continue using Squeezebox, it's still the best system out there from a feature perspective, IMHO there haven't been any major new features added to Squeezebox during the last year and it's still best on the market and I haven't seen any indication that this will change in the near future, so there is no reason to panic yet. I see no reason to start to replacing all Squeezeboxes to a closed system like Sonos on short terms. Long term: - Since the Squeezebox hardware (at least Touch and Radio) is pretty open and have the possibility to run custom firmware I don't think we give up on the hardware yet, but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the moment. It will obviously not be possible to purchase new hardware from Logitech but it might not be impossible to reuse the existing one. It's also important to remember that you can actually use an Apple iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad as a Squeezebox by using iPeng or SqueezePad apps and any Android device by using SqueezePlayer app, so if anyone wants to add another player to the system on short terms there are alternatives even if Logitech isn't providing the hardware for them. Of course, these alternative players mainly work reliably for local music and streaming services based on LMS plugins(for example Triode's Spotify plugin), as I've understood Logitech at least previously sometimes banned the third party players from mysqueezebox.com based services. Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably > will. ...as long as Rhapsody, last.fm, TuneIn, etc don't change their APIs. Which they will. If there's no incentive to update mysb.com it *will* die. Sonos remains the only viable competitor, and an overpriced one at that. I certainly have no intention of replacing my investment in SB devices so quickly. I think our best bet is for the programmers amongst us to come up with an open source equivalent to mysb.com, but that can't happen without support from Logitech (or the old-guard employees). simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: > ...as long as Rhapsody, last.fm, TuneIn, etc don't change their APIs. > Which they will. If there's no incentive to update mysb.com it *will* > die. This is the key point. I anticipate that my SBs obsolescence will be driven by incompatibilities with music services going forward. Mark Miksis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=529 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
gharris999 wrote: > So..any chance we will see a sanitized version of the firmware? I.e. > WAV/FLAC/ALAC? Once an open source community project got rolling, I'm > sure we'd see MP3/4 and the like making their way in. Problem as I see this is codec licensing.. Whilst 3rd party distributions could include open source aac decoders, there's a license to pay for distributing decoder binaries - this makes it a grey area as the hardware presumably includes a license which Logitech paid. MP3 from memory is potentially licence free for decoder. WMA is a problem though and is unlikely. That said the firmware builds quite easily for the non licensed codecs and as long as you have a local LMS to do any transcoding will be a viable medium term solution. Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
As long as the software is open source (GPL compatible), you can use ffmpeg. The problem is mp3. It's not free at all, it's patented and the reason why on trade shows like IFA the coming days police will walk around and seize half of the exhibits of Asian CE vendors who have no idea they are violating any licenses. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Mark Miksis wrote: > This is the key point. I anticipate that my SBs obsolescence will be > driven by incompatibilities with music services going forward. I also agree. Local library playback isn't a problem. Services will definitely be -- and why I'll be looking for non-Logitech alternatives for those needs. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mp3 decoder is free, if one is not making revenue with it. if you are doing revenue, you are safe as long as you don't have more than 100.000USD / year. Then its 2% of your revenue. http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mp3 licensing is disputed. There are several parties claiming to own the rights and selling licenses. It's a big mess. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
unhappy about todays news, I had a look around for other systems. Especially since I am setting up a music system or a friend next week, was gonna be Touch - but now obviously not anymore. I had another look at Raumfeld and Sonos. As much as I try, I cannot fall in love with them. Sonos - looks very oldfashioned and boring, no HD audio support and 65000 file limit. Raumfeld, no Spotify and somehow I do not trust it - do not wanna bet on such a tiny horse. Still I am gonna set up my friends system with Sonos, that way I can get to know it a bit. Who knows maybe I will have to move on to Sonos sooner or later. But having a look around, just made me realize - yet again - how good the SB line is. Shame only we seem to think this way... Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Hi, my Transporter died recently - I already replaced it with Linn on the High End Side. In use I have a Boom, a Receiver and a Radio. In Stock I got a Classic, a brand new sealed Touch, and a new Receiver, so I think I can survive some days... But anyhow, I'm disapointed, but I expected a situation like this... regards carrera carrera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14292 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I became a SB user (Touch and Radio) just over a year ago. The continuous software updates (until about early this year) made me suspect nothing like this is in the near future. Now, even Logitech websites no longer list SB products! I am very close to buying another Touch and Radio as backup... travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
All I'm looking for now is to continue to enjoy my local FLAC library and some streams from the Internet via my home stereo system. I doubt that I will buy another Logitech SB if my SB3 breaks as the SBs future doesn't look too bright. At one point I bought a Touch (too small a touch screen for me) and returned it because I still liked the retro look of the SB3. I also have a copy of my music library in high bitrate MP3 in the Google cloud that I use with Google Play Music app on my Smartphone when I'm on the road. My wife also uses this library with the Logitech Revue as she was never able to master the idiosyncrasies of my SB3-LMS-Receiver setup. My understanding is that Google took the Nexus Q back in house to figure out which market they want to target and to improve it somehow. Given that the Q already supports Internet streamed services... I wonder how difficult it would be to get it to run a Squeezeplayer app that could run against LMS and display the player interface on the TV via the Q's HDMI port. tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
tamanaco wrote: > All I'm looking for now is to continue to enjoy my local FLAC library > and some streams from the Internet via my home stereo system. I > wonder how difficult it would be to get it to run a Squeezeplayer app > that could run against LMS and display the player interface on the TV > via the Q's HDMI port. I have the same requirements, local playback via LMS, Pandora and local radio stations. I do love my Touch since I can turn on my system, and have the Touch is right there to start music playback at CD quality via my Flac files. I dont want to turn on my TV, find some remote and navigate a menu system.Very sad by this news. Bob bobm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19401 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
bobm wrote: > I don’t want to turn on my TV, find some remote and navigate a > menu system. > Bob Turning the TV on is "optional" you can always use a Smartphone Apps like Squeeze Commander for Android or iPeng for iOS to navigate the library and control the player. When you have friends over you can turn on the TV and share the Album Art and information about the album, track and artist. tamanaco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4620 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major class action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue mysqueezebox.com? After all, some folks,like me, purchased their products on the condition that this service existed and would provide radio services ,otherwise they would not have purchased the product. My entire setup at my office would not work as I have a Touch which is always connected to mysqueezebox .we have no computers,just tablets at my office so I can't run LMS . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
bernt wrote: > Don't know, there is nothing out there that can replace my SB. :( > > If my SB dies I will use an old iPhone/iPod Touch and iPeng. Your VortexBox can play directly to your DAC! You don't need a SqueezeBox. agillis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21140 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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agillis wrote: > Your VortexBox can play directly to your DAC! You don't need a > SqueezeBox. Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? johnnydarko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39987 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I will be running LMS that supports local music playback and erland's plugins until my touches and SB3s die. If nothing better comes along I'll replace with small form factor silent pcs with digital outs, running squeezeslave or squeezeplay. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
There is no reason to toss the SBs out of your home yet. Local playback will always work via a local server, if newer NAS are not supported, simply run LMS on a MiniPC with something like squeezeplug. The real problem is, online functionality. Will online services continue to work. Like Spotify etc. Also if one was planning to get more players to set them up around the house, does one really want to invest into an extinct productline? The really stupid thing is that the new player will not be compatible, syncable with the old players - which is the biggest problem. I for now am happy with my squeezeboxen, but yes I wonder what will happen once one of my boxes breaks down or functionality is limited. For me there is no real alternative to the SBs at the moment. Maybe Sonos will finally update a player and get up to speed, but probably not. Why should they, they are moreless the only ones on the market. Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then none of the streaming companies will get our cash... Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Squeezemenicely wrote: > Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will > only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then > none of the streaming player companies will get our cash... I believe this may be the reason why Logitech have killed the SB. It is actually too much struggle around the product line, this forum being one big evidence :-) For those who likes to fuzz with computers/NAS/network/the like, why not a dedicated PC/Mac at your musical system? And a simplier solution (like the new radio) for those who prefer to listen to music? It IS said that the new radio kan pick the music from your computer, so one kind of "LMS" must be there. Maybe something simplier and that really works? / B Bill50x's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36591 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I registered at the UE website - the server software is available for Mac and Windows (XP and later), but not for Linux. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I envy those who feel content to let their Squeezeboxen plod along with local access and limited functionality. Naturally those who are concerned by the potential loss of online services are most likely to be those who use them currently, but I think for many of us our expectations are slightly different... One of the things that initially appealed to me when I got my first SB was the -extensibility-. When the first Squeezeboxes hit the shelves there was little notion of online streaming services, social music services and the like. The amazing thing about the Squeezebox line has been it's ability to adapt to the changes in the way we listen to music, and to allow existing SB owners to benefit from these changes. Even now, Rhapsody and Spotify won't be the last word in online music services and we're likely to see new and novel services appear in the future as the music industry (finally) comes into the 21st Century. What -has- changed now, is that we can't (smugly) rest on our laurels knowing that our Squeezeboxes will reap the benefits of these changes, thanks to a savvy purchase oh-so-many years ago and some funding that we can't really claim our initial purchase to have supported. My expectations of the Squeezebox remain the same, even in the face of this news, but now we can't rely on Logitech to meet those expectations; it falls to us as Squeezebox users. I would genuinely like to be involved, in whatever small way, in keeping the Squeezebox alive. Mostly because I'm buggered if I'm going to fork out for a replacement. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Well, my usage of my squeezeboxes is variable. - The Squeezebox Radio in the bedroom is almost exclusively used to listen to BBC Radio streams, and only occasionally other streams or my music collection. - The Squeezebox Radio in the kitchen is used for BBC Radio, but also to stream my music (more so than the bedroom SBR) - The Squeezebox Touch connected to the HiFi is principally used for playing the music collection, and only occasionally for playing radio stations. (I also have an SB3 recently replaced by the Touch). So, for me, I will puddle along until such time as the SBRs can no longer receive the radio streams I like. Since I don't use MSB.com, this would likely be a consequence of LMS plugins not being updated to match changes to the radio streams. At that point I might convert the SBRs to the new UE version (I think this is a firmware upgrade). But I will keep the Touch going as a music player via LMS. The new UE Server is not suitable for me, as I need to run it on a Linux NAS at the moment. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major > class > action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue > mysqueezebox.com?. No, as long as they provide the promised services for a certain time period for newly sold hardware. Example: Radio/Touch come with a two year warranty, so if they keep MySB.com functional for the next two years they are likely in the clear as this would be considered a "reasonable" service period for promised services. My hunch is we will see MySB.com for at least three years. At what level of service it will be maintained is another question. :) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
johnnydarko wrote: > Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els, Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz. And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
The Apple Airport Express (£79) has all the hardware in it to do the work of a Squeezebox Receiver. I am guessing that running LMS, Squeezeplay and Airfoil http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/ would achieve all; but a single Squeezebox-Airplay App would be neater. But what I have is working, and is likely to for two years or more. I will take life as it comes. Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
pippin wrote: > Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els, > Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz. > And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS. johnnydarko wrote: > Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES? http://info.vortexbox.org/tiki-index.php?page=Squeezeslave Note: VortexBox Player will play FLAC files without gaps, but only when it is controlled by mpd, not SqueezeBox Server. See Using VortexBox Player with MPod or MPaD bernt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1342 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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> Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why? no change it aint dead. Just like HDDVD aint dead. it all works just fine so why change anything? nicklouse's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: > ...but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the > moment > What are you up to erland? :) erland wrote: > > Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee > if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using > your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? I'd pay something small for LMS + squeezslave+squeezeplay. No streaming services available in South Africa (probably true for many non-US non-EU regions). Maybe for last.fm scrobbling and maybe google music integration (sync and play), which I managed to get working here (but not technically allowed), but would love to integrate with LMS. lrossouw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3416 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: > > Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee > if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using > your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? > I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody > else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to > keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add > support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to > be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on > the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but > there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. I would definitely pay a one-time or annual fee for future squeezebox related services. This would include helping (financially) to maintain a squeezebox community forum on the web. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
erland wrote: > Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee > if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using > your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? > I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody > else will do it for free on longer terms, it's just too much work to > keep it working with the latest streaming services and you need to add > support for new streaming services when they arrive for the platform to > be attractive as one or more new streaming services tends to appear on > the market every year. Logitech won't do this even if we pay for it, but > there might be third parties that are interested in doing it. lrossouw wrote: > I'd pay something small for LMS + squeezslave+squeezeplay. No streaming > services available in South Africa (probably true for many non-US non-EU > regions). Maybe for last.fm scrobbling and maybe google music > integration (sync and play), which I managed to get working here (but > not technically allowed), but would love to integrate with LMS. What is exactly controlled by mySB.com, and how? As I understood it, it's just a broker (or phone book, or whatever comparison). For radio stations, it just holds the libraries of all URLs. The actual stream comes from the radio station server. The same for Spotify/MOG/etc. It's just an interface between Squeezebox and the service, but does not send any actual data. And scrobbling is handled by LMS directly to last.fm, without mySB.com as an intermediary? And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn could sove the radio part. In that sense, the bandwidth requirements per user for something like mySB.com should be quite low, not? And thus the costs per user? 505's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44967 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
505 wrote: > And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn > could sove the radio part. > LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently of sb.com? The Tunein app uses sb.com and has an additional feature not available in the plugin - Presets (favourites). An updated plugin could surely allow for account details to enable Presets too ... ? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support many of the other services that are currently available? And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like that... hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: > Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we > have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and > what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support > streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support > many of the other services that are currently available? > > And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new > UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced > online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers > out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like > that... You are correct I believe. But the information thus far is that there are not any plans for anything equivalent to the current TOUCH (that is, a player that can connect to your stereo with analog line out, or to your DAC with optical, S/PDIF, or USB). The Smart Radio they are releasing has only a headphone out. (and even with such connections, the current radio plays only 24/48, rather than the 24/96 (or even 24/192 with EDO). So if you are a user that only uses a Radio for mostly listening to internet radio and online services, along with some of your own music, then the new radio will likely work just fine. And your existing radios can even be converted with firmware to work with the same system. Any existing TOUCH, SB3, Transporter, etc. are reported as not being able to be converted with firmware to the new system. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
The main difference as far as I can see is that the UE system is not compatible with the existing LMS system - you have to add another server to get music access. Apparently, it will be possible to install the UE firmware on an SB Radio - but I understood this is a one-way street - you won't be able to revert to the SB system. I'm more concerned about the impact on devices like the Touch. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: > Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we > have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and > what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support > streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support > many of the other services that are currently available? > > And if it doesn't do that, what would be the disadvantage of the new > UE-platform in comparison to other platforms? AFAIK even with reduced > online-services, it will still be on-par with the other music streamers > out there. That is, if they release a new Touch or something like > that... >From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: 1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket) 2. The UE Music Library software doesn't run on Linux, so I can't run it on my QNAP as I do LMS Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > There's not a HiFi quality player Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as us. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: > Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality > earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as > us. But Logitech has now purchased Ultimate Ears. The old UE users seem to be no more happy with the new Logitech branded UE items than we seem to be with new UE Smart Radio. Logitech may not ruin UE, as headphones are a little easier to market to users than the notion of a whole-house networked audio system. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > I registered at the UE website (www.uesmartradio.com) - the server > software (UE Music Library), is available for Mac and Windows (XP and > later), but not for Linux. > > Robert Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked to "generate a PIN" -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function. chenrikson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: > Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality > earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as > us. And they say this on their main web page (forgive the capitalisation, I just pasted it - so it's their capitalisation): WE DON'T JUST LOVE MUSIC, WE LIVE FOR IT. EVERYTHING WE DO IS IN SERVICE TO THE MUSIC. OUR RELENTLESS COMMITMENT TO HONOURING MUSIC DRIVES US TO PUSH THE BOUNDARIES OF AUDIO ENGINEERING, WIRELESS CONNECTIVITY, AND INDUSTRIAL DESIGN. ALL TO CREATE PRODUCTS THAT DELIVER MUSIC TO YOUR EARS IN ITS PUREST, MOST UNDILUTED FORM. POWER TO THE MUSIC Ironically, just as all the Squeezebox references were being taken down from the website one by one, I was actually browsing the UE headphone range! Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Any chance it will be possible to to install UE firmware on the touch? asplundj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the posts by this Logitech employee (Michael if I recall correctly?), you can definately see he's on some sort of NDA, so he can't provide any info on upcoming devices. Why would they do that if they're not planning on doing so? Again, all speculation, but I just can't see the sense in Logitech doing it otherwise... hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
hvb83 wrote: > Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in > releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more > devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that > the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the > posts by this Logitech employee (Michael if I recall correctly?), you > can definately see he's on some sort of NDA, so he can't provide any > info on upcoming devices. Why would they do that if they're not planning > on doing so? > > Again, all speculation, but I just can't see the sense in Logitech doing > it otherwise... My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to work with the UE Smart Radio. And I think it is true that Logitech sold more SB Radios than any of their other players, including the Touch. I have friends with the Radio and they don't understand why anyone would want to have a "big stereo system" anymore (I disagree, but then I'm a dinosaur). And I suspect a lot of the market these days is like that. Many people just want a smartphone dock w/speakers and maybe something like a SB Radio/Boom. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their 128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock. R Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: > 1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or > analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket) > Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been said that there won't be a "Touch as we know it" that is a rebranded Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products will be added to the line, what they will be like is of course another matter. But if you decide to introduce a new line with only one player, I think it makes sense to begin with the Radio considering that the hardware was readily available and that it's the most popular model, hence more likely to rapidly get a bit of momentum for the product line. Grumpy Bob wrote: > From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because: > 2. The UE Music Library software doesn't run on Linux, so I can't run > it on my QNAP as I do LMS > It's not in the marketing blurbs no, but as has already been confirmed it does run on Linux. Unless you have to replace your SB devices today there's no need to worry too much about what shortcomings the new line has, a lot of it is likely to be remedied before a replacement is due. Also, while we may feel gutted that Logitech killed the SB, giving the new products a bad rap is counterproductive. I suspect that the continued support for SB have more to gain from a success of the UEML-stuff than a failure. After all it's the same people that's behind both products, if the new stuff sell they will be around, if it bombs they may be shut down and canned replies from first line support is all that remains. alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their > 128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock. It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with sound. What next? Go back to 14" TVs in the corner of the room? simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
alfista wrote: > Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been > said that there won't be a "Touch as we know it" that is a rebranded > Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box > as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products will be > added to the line, what they will be like is of course another matter. > But if you decide to introduce a new line with only one player, I think > it makes sense to begin with the Radio considering that the hardware was > readily available and that it's the most popular model, hence more > likely to rapidly get a bit of momentum for the product line. > > > It's not in the marketing blurbs no, but as has already been confirmed > it does run on Linux. > > Unless you have to replace your SB devices today there's no need to > worry too much about what shortcomings the new line has, a lot of it is > likely to be remedied before a replacement is due. > Also, while we may feel gutted that Logitech killed the SB, giving the > new products a bad rap is counterproductive. I suspect that the > continued support for SB have more to gain from a success of the > UEML-stuff than a failure. After all it's the same people that's behind > both products, if the new stuff sell they will be around, if it bombs > they may be shut down and canned replies from first line support is all > that remains. Yeah, I would expect a device with digital or analogue outputs to be forthcoming at some point. I think the Radio will be really nice - after all, the SBR is! I haven't really seen a decent description of how the server operates, but I haven't seen any reference to a Linux version - it's available to download for Mac and Windows only. The iOS/Android app look really rather nice from the screenshots. TBH, I'm tempted to reversion one of my SBRs to UER to see how it works - and i would do if there was a way of returning it to SBR afterwards. Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: > It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least > people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with > sound. > > What next? Go back to 14" TVs in the corner of the room? Hmm. Or perhaps 14" computer monitors? Or Smartphone screens? Those TVs in the corner were pretty big in comparison. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
garym wrote: > My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are > not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW > PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really > provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to > work with the UE Smart Radio. And I think it is true that Logitech sold > more SB Radios than any of their other players, including the Touch. I > have friends with the Radio and they don't understand why anyone would > want to have a "big stereo system" anymore (I disagree, but then I'm a > dinosaur). And I suspect a lot of the market these days is like that. > Many people just want a smartphone dock w/speakers and maybe something > like a SB Radio/Boom. I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, really? R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: > I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end > speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought > great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to > digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There > has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom > quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that > bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players > (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based > music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, > really? > I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they have an basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you describe are dwindling in favour of convenience. Just like your TV-to-smartphone comparison. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote: > I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major > class > action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue > mysqueezebox.com? > > After all, some folks,like me, purchased their products on the condition > that this > service existed and would provide radio services ,otherwise they would > not have > purchased the product. > > My entire setup at my office would not work as I have a Touch which is > always > connected to mysqueezebox .we have no computers,just tablets at my > office so > I can't run LMS . I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives. I suspect there will be something in the works on this. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
simbo wrote: > I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's > houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they > have a basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their > collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you > describe are dwindling in favour of convenience. Just like your > TV-to-smartphone comparison. I think those rich people with the speaker dock were the same ones with the crappy console record player back in the day. Not the ones with the state of the art reel to reel player, quality turntable and big speakers. Of course, there is no doubt that things have changed in big ways, but I just don't believe that quality of sound reproduction will disappear as a value. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: > I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an > obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the > sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives. > > I suspect there will be something in the works on this. > > R. Your more optimistic than me then. I reckon 2 years then they plug the plug, I can't see them providing an alternative to MySB.com for 1 second. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
I wouldn't count on it. One of the reasons they are pulling the plug I think, is that the platform has become too open. You don't actually need a SB-client anymore to use the server, and with iPeng being able to emulate a player with sync and 48/96khz, even a novice can set it up. And if Logitech isn't selling units anymore, there is no need for them to develop any new devices for it. They won't support that by providing us with all necessary measures to keep that system alive. The sooner everybody surrenders to the new system, the better it is for them... :) hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
RonM wrote: > I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end > speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought > great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to > digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There > has always been a large element of the music-listening public for whom > quality of reproduction was less important. That's the demographic that > bought all the small component kits and the boomboxes with tape players > (and later CD players) built in. Granted the ubiquity of cloud-based > music and the iTunes purchase world has changed things, but how much, > really? > > R. I agree. It was a small percentage of the population back then and remains so. I didn't mean to imply that there would not continue to be folks interested in mid- and hi-fi solutions. I certainly think there will be. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to. Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ?? In which case there would be some sort of conversion?? or am I being too simplistic? bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
castalla wrote: > LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently > of sb.com? . ? My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the background. I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App Gallery give the expected "this won't work without a MySB account" error. But absent a MySB account the Internet Radio menu's still work and always did. What I cannot emulate is the true absence of MySB.com. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
toby10 wrote: > My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu > navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the > background. > > I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App > Gallery give the expected "this won't work without a MySB account" > error. But absent a MySB account the Internet Radio menu's still work > and always did. What I cannot emulate is the true absence of MySB.com. You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that has. R Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently of sb.com? . ? My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the background. That's correct. But many of the _free_ services offer public APIs which could be implemented in a pure LMS plugin if needed. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Grumpy Bob wrote: > You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that > has Let us know what you find out. ;) I have no idea how to do this myself. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to. Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ?? There's uesmartradio.com for the new players. Conversion for SB Radio -> UE SR is planned but not there yet. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > > Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee > if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using > your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ? > Yes! As you said it's the best hardware you can currently get and i'm not seeing alternatives. So if the server will continue to live, i would pay for it. I have currently two Radios and one Receiver and 1 Touch and two Radios on order :D wom's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com? castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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castalla wrote: > Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create > an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com? I wonder if it isn't possible for one of the brilliant Plugin developers to create a Plugin to "emulate" UE for LMS connections to uesmartradio.com? Not unlike Triodes Plugin for Spotify? Might need Logitech's blessing for this, assuming it is even plausible at all (and it may well not be). toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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chenrikson wrote: > Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked > to "generate a PIN" -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function. Just register and when you are asked at the next screen to Add a Radio, close your browser and then log in. TimT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
autopilot wrote:
> Would people please read the first line of my original post please :)
Which "first line"? The thread topic about the "next system"? Or the
body of the post about what one would buy now? Given the expected life
of SB hardware, and even some expected continuation of mysb.com, I would
certainly have very different answers to those two very different
questions.
Hint: my answer to the first one ("next system") is that no one has any
idea, because it probably doesn't exist yet.
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Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
A Logitech Transporter for running LMS and a Sonos Connect connected to the digital input of the Transporter for music services and Internet radio . I'll do this only when mysqueezebox is discontinued and I look to buy a cheap used Sonos . jhonsber...@msn.com's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4438 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
