Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread Mnyb

Yes the existence of sonos tells that there is a market this kind of
thing and there are a bunch more in this productniche aimed at music
enthusiasts . So even if we are a minority we are big enough to drive
sonos and bunch more companies . That's something is it not ?




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sub.
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Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4
Misc use: Radio (with battery)
iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad
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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread Mnyb

There is a difference between raspi solutions and buy of the shelf :) I
have seen attempt at something like a reciever 2 off the shelf it lacked
analog out thou ( sonic orbiter or some such )

Actually a major benefit with Touch is that the setup is so much better
when the device has its own UI . The Bisare two tier setup of reciever
doesn't very good . It should had a rudimentary web UI for setup.




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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread chill

Mnyb wrote: 
> There is a difference between raspi solutions and buy of the shelf :) 

True - a Pi based player isn't for everyone.  I guess an off-the-shelf
easily configurable device would have a place.

I completely agree with the OP - I still feel bitter at Logitech's
mishandling of the product line.  SONOS have proven that the market was
there for the taking, and with Slim Devices' head start and Logitech's
reach it should have been a doddle.  I have a vague recollection of
someone from Logitech taking over the reigns and canvassing for opinions
on the product line.  I doubt anyone suggested starving it of investment
and advertising.  I too would like to see the concept/name/product
rights sold to an enthusiastic development company, but it feels like
Logitech will never allow that.

The really great thing now though is that the concept has survived
despite the product line being strangled.  Thanks to continued LMS and
player software development from a dedicated few, we can now build our
own players and servers for pocket money.  Long may it continue.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread Osamede

Squeezebox is more of a hifi enthusiast thing. Sonos is like for people
who like music but buy Bose radios. Both for me are aimed at people late
30 and older.

At this point both are going to have their lunch eaten by Spotify,
Tidal, Apple etc. Not to mention Google Music + Chromecast audio. I
wouldnt see much of a future in it.

Squeezebox had a brief window of opportunity under Logitech but that's
gone now.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread w3wilkes

@Dasmueller, I agree with owning and controlling my own music. When I'm
on Lake Powell up in the Escalante river arm on the houseboat the
closest thing to selecting a stream is satellite radio which you may not
get because of the multi hundred foot sandstone walls... Cell service,
yea right, spotty at best. This is typical in the American West, lots of
wilderness as large as whole countries in Europe. When the gang wants to
rock to "Talkin' Care of Business", they want it now and they will
probably want it one more time! With a laptop loaded with LMS,
Squeezeplay, music, a cheap USB DAC  to the stereo we have that
capability. We could use WMP, but why switch when we all know and use
the LMS WebUI at home.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread dasmueller

Osamede wrote: 
> Logitech didnt as much miss the boat as they got on it early, bought the
> boat, took over it... but didnt understand where to steer it.
> 
> The original gang were music enthusiasts first and foremost, which
> ultimately is not so relevant today - music enthusiasts are almost
> extinct in the mass music consumer landscape. It's all decline from
> here, as music has gone the way of "fast food" - people are happy with
> renting 128kbps streams direct to their phone as loudspeaker. 
> 
> And the people selling music dont really want you to own or control your
> own music - they want you as one big always-online wallet and data
> stream. Squeezebox was the opposite of that.

Of course I may be wrong, but I think this is a pretty accurate
assessment of what has transpired.  That being said I applaud those who
continue to maintain the LMS system. 

Not being the fan of the numerous subscription music "systems", they
hold no interest for me. Call me a dinosaur but I choose to have the
music I want to listen to, be it vinyl, Cd's or computer files all of
which I can play when I choose. There are myriad music providers,
television providers, cellphone providers etc. For me the older way just
works better. Oh, and I do save a few $ in the process.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread Osamede

cliston wrote: 
> Who created the original Slim Devices?  Who sold to Logitech?  Slim
> Devices was way ahead of its time IMO.  Streaming music is now the
> preferred way to listen to music, but at the time of Slim Devices is was
> not the way most people listened to music.  And Logitechtotally
> missed the boat.  They had a wonderful product that they have abandoned.
> 
> I would guess that the original owner or Slim Devices signed some sort
> of non-compete clause when they sold to Logitech.  But how many years
> would that last?  Can this group of loyal Squeezebox owners track down
> the originators of Slim Devices and gain any knowledge from them, or
> persuade them to try again, with new and improved Squeezeboxes?  Is this
> a ridiculous idea?

Logitech didnt as much miss the boat as they got on it early, bought the
boat, took over it... but didnt understand where to steer it.

The original gang were music enthusiasts first and foremost, which
ultimately is not so relevant today - music enthusiasts are almost
extinct in the mass music consumer landscape. It's all decline from
here, as music has gone the way of "fast food" - people are happy with
renting 128kbps streams direct to their phone as loudspeaker. 

And the people selling music dont really want you to own or control your
own music - they want you as one big always-online wallet and data
stream. Squeezebox was the opposite of that.



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4x Squeezebox Radios (7.7.3-r16676)
1x Squeezebox Classic
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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread chill

Mnyb wrote: 
> An updated Touch 2 and a new reciever 2 and boom 2

A Boom 2 definitely - not so sure about the others as there are easy
ways to make your own Receiver-equivalent these days, and with the
various phone-based controllers I think the touchscreen in the Touch is
becoming a little redundant.  Don't get me wrong, I love my Touch, and I
have a BNIB replacement in the loft for when it fails, but I'm not as
pleased with that purchase as I am with my BNIB Boom (bought the other
day!) that's going to join it in the loft.  I rarely get up from my seat
to operate, or even look at, the Touch now that I have iPeng.

The sound quality and overall package of the Boom are things that aren't
as easy to achieve independently and cheaply (unlike an RPi 'Receiver').
It's a true hifi enthusiasts 'kitchen radio' in the way that the Radio
never was.  A new Boom, with Bluetooth, Airplay etc etc (and a built-in
battery pack), and the same attention to sound quality, would be a
killer I reckon.  And it would be more in line with Logitech's market
segment (apart from the bit about sound quality :), and provided they
could get some kind of vacuous celebrity endorsement.).



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-28 Thread dasmueller

I have 2 Squeezebox Touch units. I bought them to be able to more easily
manage the music that I already had. Sifting through physical media was
and continues to be a pain when one chooses to do so. Certainly there is
a large maintenance component to a digital music library. Luckily, I
have the time and inclination to do so. Streaming music services have
never had any appeal to me, so that is not an important facet of
LMS/Squeezeboxes for my purposes. From my other recent post one could
also see that I am adverse to paying for something I feel I do not need.
It seems that many/most these days think that such a method of obtaining
what they want to hear is the way to go. That's fine with me, just not
my style.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-16 Thread cliston

I wish they would.  I'd like to see an updated Transporter that plays
DSD files.



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-16 Thread Julf

cliston wrote: 
> I wish they would.  I'd like to see an updated Transporter that plays
> DSD files.

Isn't it easier to add a DSD-capable DAC to a touch (or raspberry pi)?
That way you only need to change the DAC when the Next Great Format
comes along (OK, DSD wasn't even the Next Great Format back in the 90's,
but...)



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-16 Thread Mnyb

cliston wrote: 
> I wish they would.  I'd like to see an updated Transporter that plays
> DSD files.

That is very very niche .

An updated Touch 2 and a new reciever 2 and boom 2 , there are tons of
stuff new hardware could do and new software . More massmarket more in
line what Logitech can do ? A high end hifi product is not very Logitech
.

It would for example be no problem designing a player that supported
several protocols  and servers . Like LMS dlna roon AirPlay and
Bluetooth in one box .

For the niche DSD need a 24/192 or USB output to a DSD capable DAC ? But
heck it's software so decoding it a Touch 2 would also work .




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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-11 Thread local.bin

Its seems that streaming hardware is all the rage these days, while
Logitech decided to get out of the business!

Will Logitech ever stage a streaming hardware come back @Michael?



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-08 Thread Michael Herger

Who created the original Slim Devices?  Who sold to Logitech?  Slim


Here's the press release:

http://www.logitech.com/de-ch/press/press-releases/2763

Sean as well as Dean have moved on and are no longer in the industry. 
From what I've heard Dean is still busy cleaning up his basement.


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-08 Thread ModelCitizen

cliston wrote: 
> Who created the original Slim Devices?  Who sold to Logitech?  Slim
> Devices was way ahead of its time IMO.  Streaming music is now the
> preferred way to listen to music, but at the time of Slim Devices is was
> not the way most people listened to music.  And Logitechtotally
> missed the boat.  They had a wonderful product that they have abandoned.
> 

You are of course right. Logitech bought something they did not really
understand and with software that errr surprised them.

I believe Sean can sometimes be seen riding a bicycle, having given up
attempting to park his car elegantly.



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[slim] Original Slim Devices?

2016-01-07 Thread cliston

Who created the original Slim Devices?  Who sold to Logitech?  Slim
Devices was way ahead of its time IMO.  Streaming music is now the
preferred way to listen to music, but at the time of Slim Devices is was
not the way most people listened to music.  And Logitechtotally
missed the boat.  They had a wonderful product that they have abandoned.

I would guess that the original owner or Slim Devices signed some sort
of non-compete clause when they sold to Logitech.  But how many years
would that last?  Can this group of loyal Squeezebox owners track down
the originators of Slim Devices and gain any knowledge from them, or
persuade them to try again, with new and improved Squeezeboxes?  Is this
a ridiculous idea?



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Owners

2012-10-20 Thread banned for life

erland wrote: 
 I would say that the chance of Logitech selling to anyone would also be
 pretty close to zero, so I think people should stop dreaming about a
 revival, it's not going to happen. 
 
 What's more likely going to happen is that someone realize that there is
 a need, a market and thus a potential to earn some money and based on
 this decide to fill the hole Logitech have left with some new more
 exciting products. 
 
 However, we got to give it some time, updating hardware/software to
 match the needs and sign necessary agreements with content providers
 aren't going to happen over a night. Fortunately we can keep enjoying
 music from our current Squeezebox devices while we wait, so it's not a
 major problem, I'll start to worry if we haven't seen any indication
 that someone is about to try to fulfill the needs within the Squeezebox
 market segment within a year or two.

Erland

Email the Woz

You know why this should be expanded. Your music anywhere (without cost
or interference.) 

BFL



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[slim] Original Slim Devices Owners

2012-10-16 Thread babi8987

now that logitech is not going to make the squeezebox products any
longer, i hope that the original owners of the squeezebox would buy back
the rights to continue to develop the product.
i've been an owner of a squeezebox classic for about eight years now.
for the price, i think that the squeezebox is the greatest thing since
sliced bread.
i have seen the squeezebox touch in operation in a very high end stereo
equipment shop.
if anyone knows of or has heard of any chances that this product could
be developed further by another party please respond.

thanks,
steve babin



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Owners

2012-10-16 Thread garym

babi8987 wrote: 
 now that logitech is not going to make the squeezebox products any
 longer, i hope that the original owners of the squeezebox would buy back
 the rights to continue to develop the product.
 i've been an owner of a squeezebox classic for about eight years now.
 for the price, i think that the squeezebox is the greatest thing since
 sliced bread.
 i have seen the squeezebox touch in operation in a very high end stereo
 equipment shop.
 if anyone knows of or has heard of any chances that this product could
 be developed further by another party please respond.
 
 thanks,
 steve babin

The poster that started this thread indicated he was interested in
making an offer.  The odds of original owners buying it back are said to
be zero by people that know more about their situation.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96660-The-Future-of-Squeezebox-Product-Line-Uphighlight=make+offer



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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Owners

2012-10-16 Thread erland

garym wrote: 
 The poster that started this thread indicated he was interested in
 making an offer.  The odds of original owners buying it back are said to
 be zero by people that know more about their situation.
 
I would say that the chance of Logitech selling to anyone would also be
pretty close to zero, so I think people should stop dreaming about a
revival, it's not going to happen. 

What's more likely going to happen is that someone realize that there is
a need, a market and thus a potential to earn some money and based on
this decide to fill the hole Logitech have left with some new more
exciting products. 

However, we got to give it some time, updating hardware/software to
match the needs and sign necessary agreements with content providers
aren't going to happen over a night. Fortunately we can keep enjoying
music from our current Squeezebox devices while we wait, so it's not a
major problem, I'll start to worry if we haven't seen any indication
that someone is about to try to fulfill the needs within the Squeezebox
market segment within a year or two.



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[slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread Gazjam

Might be picking up one of these, original Slim Devices SB3's.
If I upgrade the firmware to the latest release, will it be the
equivalent of the last of the Logitech branded SB3's or are there
internal hardware differences?

Also, can I upgrade the PSU for it by using a SB Touch psu which is
better.


Thanks!


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread Gazjam

maybe an obvious question, but just wanting to know that Slim Devices
branded SB3 can run latest firmware etc.

Thanks.


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread JJZolx

There is absolutely no hardware difference. Even the older Squeezebox 2,
which is internally nearly identical to the SB3, can run the latest
SB2/3 firmware.


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread Gazjam

Thanks very much. :)

Is it right the SB3 and Touch voltage and input plug are identical
too?
In other words can I use a Touch PSU with the SB3?


thanks.


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread vrette

Gazjam;659113 Wrote: 
 Thanks very much. :)
 
 Is it right the SB3 and Touch voltage and input plug are identical
 too?
 In other words can I use a Touch PSU with the SB3?
 
 
 thanks.

Yup. I've done that myself.


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64 bit , and a bunch of other stuff...

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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices SB3 - up to date with recent firmware or old tech?

2011-09-22 Thread Gazjam

sweet.

thanks. :)


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-08 Thread funkstar

aubuti;456172 Wrote: 
 Yes, they are the same except for the logo on the faceplate. However,
 the Slim Devices branded SB3s were produced in both wifi and wired-only
 versions (the wifi model also does wired ethernet). So if you need to
 have wifi you should verify that the one you are looking at is a wifi
 model. Offhand I am not sure how you would verify it's wifi-capable
 without trying to set it up, because the antennas are internal and the
 label on the bottom doesn't say anything about wireless.
Wasn't it the SB2 that had wired and wireless options?

I thought the SB3 was wireless (also with wired ethernet) only. The
option was black or white plastic case.


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*2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver)
*1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield)

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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-08 Thread funkstar

killie99;456332 Wrote: 
 definately SB3 which was wired or wired/wireless. I have a wired only
 one 
 
 Funfstar, whereabouts in our fair land are you from and how did you get
 a Touch?
Oh well I was mistaken then.

I'm in the UK and I am part of the Beta test team. That's why I have a
Touch and a Radio


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*1*x squeezebox boom
*2*x controller, *1*x receiver
*2*x sb3 (sliver/black), *1*x sb2 wired (silver)
*1*x sb (black), *1*x slimp3 (with rear shield)

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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-08 Thread killie99

definately SB3 which was wired or wired/wireless. I have a wired only
one 


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[slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-07 Thread calipoop

Found an original Slim Devices Squeezebox V3 for sale, but was wondering
if it worked the same as the Logitech's?  Same wireless-g capabilities,
etc?

Thanks in advance for your input!


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-07 Thread aubuti

Yes, they are the same except for the logo on the faceplate. However,
the Slim Devices branded SB3s were produced in both wifi and wired-only
versions (the wifi model also does wired ethernet). So if you need to
have wifi you should verify that the one you are looking at is a wifi
model. Offhand I am not sure how you would verify it's wifi-capable
without trying to set it up, because the antennas are internal and the
label on the bottom doesn't say anything about wireless.


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Re: [slim] Original Slim Devices Squeezebox: wireless-g?

2009-09-07 Thread calipoop

Cool, thanks for the quick history lesson.  I'll keep an eye out for the
wired/wireless claim.


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