[slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
PuTTY is a nice ssh client. Or, depending on your distro, administer the box via web browser. -- fathom39 fathom39's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1000 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
I agree with the others. I have an ubuntu linux server and it hasn't had a monitor attached to it in months. Use VNC if you need a graphical interface or putty if you just need a command line. But the best part about a linux server is you really don't need to administer it. Once it is set up, it just runs and you can forget about it. -- NWP NWP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3730 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
I prefer the SSH client from ssh.com . The non-commercial version has two parts to it, a standard ssh shell and a secure FTP program. Makes it easier on you to transfer files over the network if you want "drag & drop" with a secure connection. -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Thanks to all for your replies. I am glad to hear that what I want to do can be done. I will have to learn some Linux, but I've wanted to do that anyway. I especially like what NWP wrote: "But the best part about a linux server is you really don't need to administer it. Once it is set up, it just runs and you can forget about it." Sounds good to me. Jeff -- JeffCharles JeffCharles's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4034 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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a really cool thing to do is simply install cygwin and select ssh on the install - you get a nice linuxy type command line too :-) -- kefa Mac OS X 10.4.7, Slimserver 6.3.0, Netgear DG834GT fw V1.02.04 Squeezebox 3 fw 55, Primare SPA20, Monitor Audio GR20 Squeezebox 2 fw 55, , kefa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=421 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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For the odd occasion you do need to plug a monitor etc in it might be worth getting a remote admin board - AMI MegaRac, Peppercon Eric etc. - they're not cheap but occasionally come up on eBay for bargain prices. Basically they allow you to drive the machine, edit the bios, reboot etc. remotely - some allow a remote CD too. -- Andy D Andy D's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6091 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pfarrell Wrote: > Last login: Sun Jul 23 10:43:51 2006 from 172.16.4.41 > (beatles)/home/pfarrell> uptime > 23:52:10 up 403 days, 11:03, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.13, > 0.11 Given the recent weather, this has me wondering - how do you manage that? Do you use a UPS? The uptime on my router hasn't been longer than 2-3 days for about 2 weeks now due to all the power bumps. Not failures, just long enough to cause a reboot. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Lanctot Wrote: > Given the recent weather, this has me wondering - how do you manage > that? Do you use a UPS? > > The uptime on my router hasn't been longer than 2-3 days for about 2 > weeks now due to all the power bumps. Not failures, just long enough > to cause a reboot. Not everywhere is having power problems - I'm just outside NYC and although Queens is pretty much an electricity-free zone right now we've been solid for as long as I can remember. Some power companies are better than others it seems :) -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Lanctot Wrote: > Given the recent weather, this has me wondering - how do you manage > that? Do you use a UPS? UPS on my fileserver, UPS on my big fish tank, UPS on my home theater, UPS on my main system, & battery in the laptop! Power outages are rare in Eugene but I use them for line conditioning too. My router's current uptime is only 36 days and the fileserver is at 54 days. Until I have an efficient means of transferring video over the network to a display along with surround sound I won't be touching the fileserver. -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm compelled to post since at the moment I am doing the oposite. Using rdesktop on a linux laptop to control the W2K Advanced Server box that has my SlimServer on it. I just thought that was funny. JeffCharles Wrote: > I especially like what NWP wrote: "But the best part about a linux > server is you really don't need to administer it. Once it is set up, it > just runs and you can forget about it." Sounds good to me. That is dangerous advice. Unpatched computers are bad news. Historically unpatched unix-like machines were especially bad since a hacker could do more damage to your network from a unix-like macine than from a Windows machine. Now days I don't know if that is as true. Whatever you build you will need to keep it patched. Several distributions have automated ways of doing that. Personally I tend to build servers on SuSE since I have had very good luck with YOU (YaST Online Update.) The latest SuSE dropped YaST for something new that doesn't seem to work as well. Don't expect linux to be easy. It can be a huge time sink. If you are serious about *learning* linux, as opposed to *using* linux, you might want to try Gentoo. I have been a linux user for about seven years. Before that I was a user of FreeBSD, Irix, SunOS, and a little Solaris. I also admin a handfull of machines. I have learned as much in a couple months with Gentoo as I did in all those years with the others. You have to do frickin' everything by hand but you learn things like what the last two numbers in the /etc/fstab actually mean. I always wondered what they did. The Gentoo docs explained it. Good luck, and don't sell Windows short. It really doesn't suck any less than the others. Dan -- ComputerX ComputerX's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6742 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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radish Wrote: > Not everywhere is having power problems - I'm just outside NYC and > although Queens is pretty much an electricity-free zone right now we've > been solid for as long as I can remember. Some power companies are > better than others it seems :) OT: Actually I was referring to recent storms. Even though I've always been with the same power company, I've lived in many regions of the province of Ontario over the last 10 years and performance is dramatically different depending where you live: Ottawa: extremely reliable, can go for years without failure Sarnia: despite frequent storms, very reliable. I suppose it's due to the chemical plants in town who all need reliable electricity. North Bay: extended power failure every time there's a storm. Power failures for unexplained reasons as well. Espanola (northern Ontario near Sudbury): power failure every time there's a storm, but not many storms. London: power failure every time there's a storm, and since London is Canada's lightning capital, that's 2-3 times a week in the summer. However the power failures are brief, 1-2 seconds. Makes it hard to maintain impressive uptime on a server though: Uptime 8:18 :-P -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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notanatheist Wrote: > Power outages are rare in Eugene but I use them for line conditioning > too. uhoh. you mean you're across the river from me? (since I only know of one Eugene...) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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% uptime 6:56pm up 1515 day(s), 9:34, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.04 No, this is not forged. -- rudholm rudholm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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rudholm Wrote: > % uptime > 6:56pm up 1515 day(s), 9:34, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, > 0.04 > > No, this is not forged. UPS...or do you have a power plant in your backyard? :-) -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Lanctot Wrote: > UPS...or do you have a power plant in your backyard? :-) I do have a couple of large UPS units at home, but this particular host is one of a number of systems at work that have been up for over four years. -- rudholm rudholm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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snarlydwarf Wrote: > uhoh. you mean you're across the river from me? > > (since I only know of one Eugene...) You must be over in that place I hear of called Springtucky :) Then again I've always considered I-5 the crossing point since I'm only a few blocks from the river. Ah, completely off topic. SSH!! -- notanatheist notanatheist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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notanatheist Wrote: > You must be over in that place I hear of called Springtucky :) Exactly, why I get such reliable wireless connnections across the house: my neighbors don't have phones, let alone computers or networks. Eugene is trapped in 1968, but over here it's 1958... I'm not sure which is stranger. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I use SUSE and have found the following remote administration tools to be exceptional. 1. The NX thin client/server software from www.nomachine.com. This permits you to take remote control of your desktop from Windows. It is also true thin client software, so you can have multiple simultaneous users connected, each with their own desktop. It's great stuff, and much nicer than VNC, which I previously used and abandoned. It's exceptionally fast on a LAN--almost indistinguishable from a live session (providing you're not playing arcade games)--and remarkably fast over the web too. 2. The Webmin web administration software from www.webmin.com. This permits you to conduct administration of your system through any web browser. It is not remote desktop software, but will permit you to administrate and configure a wide variety of system software and settings. My primary uses for it are for shutting-down/resetting my machine, and for performing administration tasks for my MySQL databases. But Webmin's capabilities go much further should you need to do more. Dave -- Gildahl Gildahl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4102 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JeffCharles Wrote: > Is it possible to remotely administer a Linux machine from XP Pro? I > want to run Linux on a barebones box (with no keyboard or monitor) in > the living room, connect it directly to my SB3, and then administer it > over a wireless Lan from the XP Pro destop in the bedroom. It would run > SlimServer and hold my music files. > > By the way, the XP help system states that, "The most seamless > administrative experience occurs when the computer that is used to > perform administrative tasks is running the same operating system as > the computer that is being remotely administered", so my guess is that > if what I am asking is possble, it will not be easy. > > Jeff http://shipit.ubuntu.com Grab a copy of ubuntu, it's very easy to install, update, and remotely admin. Built into the default settings is "Remote Desktop" using vnc. Once you login to the machine, you can select System::Preferneces::Remote Desktop from the menu. Click the apropriate checkboxes, and enable a password. In the menu bar should be a familiar network icon, if you right-click on it and select Properties, there is a Support tab that will tell you the IP of the linux machine. Then you just need a copy of VNC for windows from http://realvnc.com (free version is fine) -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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pfarrell Wrote: > I have three or four UPS in my basement "server farm" which is > where I keep my SlimServer, my cable modem, my firewall box, > and the machine that hosts http://www.pfarrell.com/ > Following this link out of curiosity, I noticed that the site behaves very badly with firefox (displays the html source rather than rendering it). Also, even though there is an index.html in the root directory, the server doesn't seem to deliver it by default, so I'm just getting a directory listing (in both IE and firefox). -- smc2911 smc2911's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm no Linux head at all but manage to keep my headless FC5 working with VNC and/or Webmin as appropriate... VNC 'cause direct interaction with local applications is sometimes required, Webmin 'cause I can do things with it I don't know how to do otherwise. Apart from that, it runs Samba, so I synch my music to it from my XP capture/edit machine and very occasionally I might use PuTTY. -- Apteryx Apteryx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I run my Zenwalk server headless without a particularly complicated setup. I have a VNC connection, but the GUI won't start remotely. I may fix it eventually, but I've lost too much sleep as it is trying to make linux work. Instead I just use Samba for file transfer and connect to Slimserver remotely. Call that setup what you will, but it's a functional, easy setup for the linux-challenged. -- nonerz nonerz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5601 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=25891 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
Not everywhere is having power problems I can confirm this: I remember two outages in the past 5 or more years. Once it was due to the company. And once it was my girlfriend blowing a fuse while fiddling with some wiring - because she didn't want me to shut down my server :-) OTOH there are places where you simply can't work without a UPS: I've spent a few months in Ouagadougou. There wasn't a day without blackout in the building we were living in. -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
That is dangerous advice. Unpatched computers are bad news. Especially if they're exposed to the internet. But a SlimServer running in my lan? I really don't care too much about security. I think security should not be overrated when it comes to SlimServer. This latter should never be run in public anyway. Good luck, and don't sell Windows short. It really doesn't suck any less than the others. Correct. Windows as a product has improved a _lot_. We're not talking NT 3.51 any more, do we :-)? It's rather the company behind the product which isn't my best friend... -- Michael --- Help translate SlimServer by using the SlimString Translation Helper (http://www.herger.net/slim/) ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Administer Linux from XP Pro?
Mark Lanctot wrote: pfarrell Wrote: Last login: Sun Jul 23 10:43:51 2006 from 172.16.4.41 (beatles)/home/pfarrell> uptime 23:52:10 up 403 days, 11:03, 2 users, load average: 0.28, 0.13, 0.11 Given the recent weather, this has me wondering - how do you manage that? Do you use a UPS? Yes, of course. The uptime on my router hasn't been longer than 2-3 days for about 2 weeks now due to all the power bumps. Not failures, just long enough to cause a reboot. I have three or four UPS in my basement "server farm" which is where I keep my SlimServer, my cable modem, my firewall box, and the machine that hosts http://www.pfarrell.com/ It is really just some space next to the furnace and water heater. There is a little one for just the cable modem and switches, a moderate one for the slimserver and a huge heavy thing for the dual-processor Xeon servers. -- Pat Farrell PRC recording studio http://www.pfarrell.com/PRC ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
